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The New Product Release Thread

PA has released a new 11-Spray with 1,4-androstadiene-3,11-dione-17b-ol (delta1-11-ketotestosterone) as the main active.

Apparently, the new version is a much stronger inhibitor 11b-HSD1 reductase.

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CATdiesel76 said:
PA has released a new 11-Spray with 1,4-androstadiene-3,11-dione-17b-ol (delta1-11-ketotestosterone) as the main active.

Apparently, the new version is a much stronger inhibitor 11b-HSD1 reductase.

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Isn't this 11KT? Thought it was not legal to sell?
 
DieselNY said:
Isn't this 11KT? Thought it was not legal to sell?
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I think it’s in the gray area but legal. Believe me, Pat is not releasing anything that’s not legal. Just expensive to source raws. 11-KT acetate can be found and is much cheaper than this product. Is this new product that much better than an acetate product? That’s the question.
 
BigGame84 said:
I think it’s in the gray area but legal. Believe me, Pat is not releasing anything that’s not legal. Just expensive to source raws. 11-KT acetate can be found and is much cheaper than this product. Is this new product that much better than an acetate product? That’s the question.
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Exactly. It is supposed to be stronger. I will say all over 11 products only last 2 weeks at a decent dose. If this lasts a full month like his other sprays and is stronger than that will help justify the cost
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Exactly. It is supposed to be stronger. I will say all over 11 products only last 2 weeks at a decent dose. If this lasts a full month like his other sprays and is stronger than that will help justify the cost
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Very true. It’s the same oz as UR spray which lasts me 3ish weeks at 60-80 sprays a day. Normally split am/pm. Not sure how many sprays is suggested as directions just says spray a thin layer. Might be able to get away with 25 sprays am and 25 pm which would make it a decent run. I might give it a go if I get extra funds. Never been letdown by a prototype product yet.
 
11-KT products really only need to be taken once a day. Typically in the morning when you wake up. I'm thinking one bottle will last maybe 3 weeks. If i had the funds, I would buy two bottles for a legit cycle. I know once in awhile they do run flash sales on their products. I'm just going to wait on this one.
 
Yea $125 is insane, no matter how much better it may be IMO. I understand RAWS are expensive and it’s also expensive if you are first to bring it to market. Hopefully he can sell it for longer than what seems like 3 weeks.
 
edit: I'm wrong. (I thought the new compound in the spray was not 11-KT based but based on a different compound outside of testosterone. I would suggest buying this stuff ASAP if you want it, because I do not see how it will stay available for all that long...but hopefully I'm wrong again)



According to every interpretation of DASCA I've seen/heard, this 11-KT derivative should be considered illegal. I'm not sure what reasoning PA is using to argue that it is legal, but I really don't think it is in the FDA/DEA's eyes.
 
VaughnTrue said:
edit: I'm wrong. (I thought the new compound in the spray was not 11-KT based but based on a different compound outside of testosterone. I would suggest buying this stuff ASAP if you want it, because I do not see how it will stay available for all that long...but hopefully I'm wrong again)



According to every interpretation of DASCA I've seen/heard, this 11-KT derivative should be considered illegal. I'm not sure what reasoning PA is using to argue that it is legal, but I really don't think it is in the FDA/DEA's eyes.
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Yeah, we'll see what happens. The FDA watches PA like a hawk. Look at what happened to Clearshot v2. There was nothing in there that should've been considered illegal yet all of the sudden was told to stop making it.
 
I'm considering ordering an 11kt product. Got access to one that's about 55+ shipping. Is it a worth it? I'm still doing research on it, but my guts telling me to grab a bottle, or 2 if its that good. From what ive read it helps you lean out in the midsection fairly quickly.
 
GrizzleB said:
I'm considering ordering an 11kt product. Got access to one that's about 55+ shipping. Is it a worth it? I'm still doing research on it, but my guts telling me to grab a bottle, or 2 if its that good. From what ive read it helps you lean out in the midsection fairly quickly.
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wondering the same....
 
GrizzleB said:
I'm considering ordering an 11kt product. Got access to one that's about 55+ shipping. Is it a worth it? I'm still doing research on it, but my guts telling me to grab a bottle, or 2 if its that good. From what ive read it helps you lean out in the midsection fairly quickly.
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For $55 + shipping and you have the cash, grab it. You can always resell it later for more than that.
 
00A said:
Looking for my first non stim fat burner after rubbish radiate that got fooled into buying over hype- how grains help me as instagram link dont work
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Studies have shown that GOP standardized to 15% 6-Paradol can improve fat expenditure in a few ways:
Conversion of White Adipose Tissue to Brown Adipose Tissue:
When we talk about fat in our body, there is actually 2 types of stored fat. White adipose tissue is all of that stored body fat that you so commonly see around your mid-section. Brown adipose tissue is made up of much smaller cells than white adipose tissue and activation of the Brown Adipose Tissue results in increased fat burning. Studies have shown that the 6 Paradol extract found in HPS Parøslim can convert your stored body fat (White adipose tissue) into Brown Adipose Tissue, forcing your body to use stored fat as energy (burn it off!) The more brown adipose tissue you have, the more white fat your body will continuously use as energy, thus making your daily energy expenditure higher aka a massive boost in your metabolism WITHOUT CAFFEINE OR DANGEROUS STIMULANTS commonly used & abused for weight loss.
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This brings us to the 2nd way Paroslim helps us burn fat:
Increased metabolic rate at rest.
Studies show that GOP can also increase metabolism WITHOUT any increase in exercise! .
“...SO you’re saying this pill will help me burn more calories without even going to the gym?” Yes... we are. .
A recent study found that 30mg of GOP can increase your daily energy expenditure by almost 100 calories! (Parøslim contains 35mg per capsule). This study found that the increased “browning” of white adipose tissue had a profound effect on fat loss and metabolic rate without any exercise! This means Paroslim can increase your calories burned in a day without worrying about doing any exercise.
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We suggest 1-2 capsules of Parøslim per day which would help users burn an additional 700-1400 calories per week just from taking 1-2 tiny capsules


There is also more info on the product page: https://hpssupps.com/products/paroslim
 
chedapalooza said:
Studies have shown that GOP standardized to 15% 6-Paradol can improve fat expenditure in a few ways:
Conversion of White Adipose Tissue to Brown Adipose Tissue:
When we talk about fat in our body, there is actually 2 types of stored fat. White adipose tissue is all of that stored body fat that you so commonly see around your mid-section. Brown adipose tissue is made up of much smaller cells than white adipose tissue and activation of the Brown Adipose Tissue results in increased fat burning. Studies have shown that the 6 Paradol extract found in HPS Parøslim can convert your stored body fat (White adipose tissue) into Brown Adipose Tissue, forcing your body to use stored fat as energy (burn it off!) The more brown adipose tissue you have, the more white fat your body will continuously use as energy, thus making your daily energy expenditure higher aka a massive boost in your metabolism WITHOUT CAFFEINE OR DANGEROUS STIMULANTS commonly used & abused for weight loss.
.
This brings us to the 2nd way Paroslim helps us burn fat:
Increased metabolic rate at rest.
Studies show that GOP can also increase metabolism WITHOUT any increase in exercise! .
“...SO you’re saying this pill will help me burn more calories without even going to the gym?” Yes... we are. .
A recent study found that 30mg of GOP can increase your daily energy expenditure by almost 100 calories! (Parøslim contains 35mg per capsule). This study found that the increased “browning” of white adipose tissue had a profound effect on fat loss and metabolic rate without any exercise! This means Paroslim can increase your calories burned in a day without worrying about doing any exercise.
.
We suggest 1-2 capsules of Parøslim per day which would help users burn an additional 700-1400 calories per week just from taking 1-2 tiny capsules


There is also more info on the product page: https://hpssupps.com/products/paroslim
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Nice one - im sold so how i buy this in uk and its ok to combine with non stim fat burners..? Or yohime stim
Issue is i suffer stubborn belly fat
 
chedapalooza said:
Studies have shown that GOP standardized to 15% 6-Paradol can improve fat expenditure in a few ways:
Conversion of White Adipose Tissue to Brown Adipose Tissue:
When we talk about fat in our body, there is actually 2 types of stored fat. White adipose tissue is all of that stored body fat that you so commonly see around your mid-section. Brown adipose tissue is made up of much smaller cells than white adipose tissue and activation of the Brown Adipose Tissue results in increased fat burning. Studies have shown that the 6 Paradol extract found in HPS Parøslim can convert your stored body fat (White adipose tissue) into Brown Adipose Tissue, forcing your body to use stored fat as energy (burn it off!) The more brown adipose tissue you have, the more white fat your body will continuously use as energy, thus making your daily energy expenditure higher aka a massive boost in your metabolism WITHOUT CAFFEINE OR DANGEROUS STIMULANTS commonly used & abused for weight loss.
.
This brings us to the 2nd way Paroslim helps us burn fat:
Increased metabolic rate at rest.
Studies show that GOP can also increase metabolism WITHOUT any increase in exercise! .
“...SO you’re saying this pill will help me burn more calories without even going to the gym?” Yes... we are. .
A recent study found that 30mg of GOP can increase your daily energy expenditure by almost 100 calories! (Parøslim contains 35mg per capsule). This study found that the increased “browning” of white adipose tissue had a profound effect on fat loss and metabolic rate without any exercise! This means Paroslim can increase your calories burned in a day without worrying about doing any exercise.
.
We suggest 1-2 capsules of Parøslim per day which would help users burn an additional 700-1400 calories per week just from taking 1-2 tiny capsules


There is also more info on the product page: https://hpssupps.com/products/paroslim
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700-1400 calories does not should like much about a 1.5lbs a month, but in a year's time, 18lbs is a lot of fat with no additional exercise !!
 
00A said:
Nice one - im sold so how i buy this in uk and its ok to combine with non stim fat burners..? Or yohime stim
Issue is i suffer stubborn belly fat
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Yes it’s ok. Highly stackable ingredient. Will go great with anything (even products that may already contain GOP) but will go great with Lipøshield, Innøslim (available mid March) and our stim burner coming out in time for summer. For UK you’ll have to order from strong who ships internationally. I just sent them an order today so they’ll have it available on their site in about a week. Or you can check out what shipping rates are on our site to UK. Or you can ask a local retailer or email predator or another international retailer to pick us up!
 
chedapalooza said:
Studies have shown that GOP standardized to 15% 6-Paradol can improve fat expenditure in a few ways:
Conversion of White Adipose Tissue to Brown Adipose Tissue:
When we talk about fat in our body, there is actually 2 types of stored fat. White adipose tissue is all of that stored body fat that you so commonly see around your mid-section. Brown adipose tissue is made up of much smaller cells than white adipose tissue and activation of the Brown Adipose Tissue results in increased fat burning. Studies have shown that the 6 Paradol extract found in HPS Parøslim can convert your stored body fat (White adipose tissue) into Brown Adipose Tissue, forcing your body to use stored fat as energy (burn it off!) The more brown adipose tissue you have, the more white fat your body will continuously use as energy, thus making your daily energy expenditure higher aka a massive boost in your metabolism WITHOUT CAFFEINE OR DANGEROUS STIMULANTS commonly used & abused for weight loss.
.
This brings us to the 2nd way Paroslim helps us burn fat:
Increased metabolic rate at rest.
Studies show that GOP can also increase metabolism WITHOUT any increase in exercise! .
“...SO you’re saying this pill will help me burn more calories without even going to the gym?” Yes... we are. .
A recent study found that 30mg of GOP can increase your daily energy expenditure by almost 100 calories! (Parøslim contains 35mg per capsule). This study found that the increased “browning” of white adipose tissue had a profound effect on fat loss and metabolic rate without any exercise! This means Paroslim can increase your calories burned in a day without worrying about doing any exercise.
.
We suggest 1-2 capsules of Parøslim per day which would help users burn an additional 700-1400 calories per week just from taking 1-2 tiny capsules


There is also more info on the product page: https://hpssupps.com/products/paroslim
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I like the idea of converting white to brown fat, I will be trying this out!!
 
Rocket3015 said:
I like the idea of converting white to brown fat, I will be trying this out!!
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Then you should check out BRITE, the product that pioneered the concept, and the new capped version that should be here tomorrow.

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dsade said:
Then you should check out BRITE, the product that pioneered the concept, and the new capped version that should be here tomorrow.

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Tell me more ...
 
Rocket3015 said:
Tell me more ...
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It's all in the writeup. BRITE (original version) was released in 2013, the first product on the market to address browning of white fat. While insanely effective, it was a cumbersome liquid. Took me some years, and a lot of new research, to find the whole combination of pathways that maximize browning/conversion to BRITE cells, and to make it something that we could cap.
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Any guess on how this may act compared to 11kt or any differences?
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I would imagine stronger for sure. Going to have a higher binding affinity at the androgen receptor because of the 1,4 diene flatting out the “larger end” of the steroid molecule.
 
The Solution said:
There is nothing innovative with blackstone period.
Why anyone would give them their money is beyond me.
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Seriously. I can get MassMax on sale and get actual results. Haven't a clue if PJ's $90 bottle works as advertised. It's not even worth trying at 33% off like they run often. Hell even 50% would make it $45 a bottle plus ship.
 
I posted about this product a few months ago without seeing the label and said it would be rubbish then...


And it is

Who would have thought

Guess the Black Stone legion will buy it and claim its the best thing ever
 
Danksta710 said:
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Doesn't seem that innovating or am I wrong? Also LOL @ 89.99 a bottle
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1st Ingredient is underdosed

2nd Ingredient was in ebol way back when and I do like that one.... but for $89.99 Nah. That product costs about $7 max to make labels and shipping included. Probably way less given they’re likely producing 5-10 thousand bottles a clip
 
chedapalooza said:
1st Ingredient is underdosed

2nd Ingredient was in ebol way back when and I do like that one.... but for $89.99 Nah. That product costs about $7 max to make labels and shipping included. Probably way less given they’re likely producing 5-10 thousand bottles a clip
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Even with 3rd party/supply chain/distribution costs, those are still quite healthy margins lol
 
aaronuconn said:
Even with 3rd party/supply chain/distribution costs, those are still quite healthy margins lol
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By those margin guidelines, I should be charging $200-$250 a bottle for most of my stuff.
 
GrizzleB said:
That looks nice, like a gda with a little fat burning addition.
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I was thinking the same thing. 300mg berberine per cap is a great number - about the perfect dose for those with gut sensitivity, and 6 full weeks for those who tolerate 2 caps/day. Pretty neat looking.
 
chedapalooza said:
1st Ingredient is underdosed

2nd Ingredient was in ebol way back when and I do like that one.... but for $89.99 Nah. That product costs about $7 max to make labels and shipping included. Probably way less given they’re likely producing 5-10 thousand bottles a clip
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That dere 100:1 rhaponticum carthamoides extract is supercheap on Alibaba
 
I Hate how companies use pre workout names that invoke negativity. I know it would be silly to name an intense product "Colorful Unicorn", but calling something "Hate", "Evil Darkness", "Murder", what signals does it send lol.
 
I'm naming mine "Work Ready"
 
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