the goal with DAA

poopypants said:
Ha! What's up strat? Thanks for the welcome back. As you can see I finally took your advice n headed back over here n looked into this here daa..... Can't find much info on Glycine Propionyl L-Carnitine (GPLC) or who offers it but admittedly haven't searched as much.
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GPLC is probably the only NO2 type compound that shows real studies showing real ergogenic benefits. Primordial Performance sells it both in a product with other ingredients as well as bulk powder if I recall right.

DAA seems to be some good stuff, and seems to be good over time. The only clean direct human study is the one 12 day one (which is hard to say really how much difference that study makes) but the italian pharmaceutical company that sells it as a fertility aid has a bit more of animal studies and info on their site. Its just still hard to really say "what does DAA do to test levels at 30 days? at 60? at 90?" and what dose is optimal long term.

And PM me, lemee know whats up nowadays in your personal life :)
 
I finally decided to try this stuff, and Im not doing the 12on/off method. Right now, Im on day 13 and I may try Dr. D's method of lowering the dosage after a loading phase(currently at 3 grams a day). Let's not forget that excitotoxicity concern. Ill you guys posted.


WARNING: If your acne sensitive, their might be a breakout in the first couple days. Their was for me.

P.S. The post above this one is a pretty good one regarding DAA.
 
K so i'm about 5 days in using 2 heaping scoops of Nutraplanets DAA also have 50mg clomid in there and lots of cissus and 20,000 iu vitamin d gel caps, but the boys seem to be getting plumper lol I was on 500mg test and 200mg mast e so i'm sure my blood levels are quite down to thats 200mg/test e a week yet, so as the synthetic hormones continue to decline i'm sure i'll contnue to see improvements. Something that is of note is i got 2 upper back zits, something i don't get on cycle only when natural test levels are on the rise, hcg dose this to me as well as natural test boosters, skin is also a tad oiler. I may stay at 200mg test e then slowly ramp it down to 100mg possibly do this for 8 weeks along with peptides (ghrp-6+ mod grf 1-29, out of ghrp-6 should be here in a couple days) before ramping test back up.

Also using 1.5grams 1-carboxy eod on off days 1mg pramipexole for prolactin.
 
CHAPS said:
K so i'm about 5 days in using 2 heaping scoops of Nutraplanets DAA also have 50mg clomid in there and lots of cissus and 20,000 iu vitamin d gel caps, but the boys seem to be getting plumper lol I was on 500mg test and 200mg mast e so i'm sure my blood levels are quite down to thats 200mg/test e a week yet, so as the synthetic hormones continue to decline i'm sure i'll contnue to see improvements. Something that is of note is i got 2 upper back zits, something i don't get on cycle only when natural test levels are on the rise, hcg dose this to me as well as natural test boosters, skin is also a tad oiler. I may stay at 200mg test e then slowly ramp it down to 100mg possibly do this for 8 weeks along with peptides (ghrp-6+ mod grf 1-29, out of ghrp-6 should be here in a couple days) before ramping test back up.

Also using 1.5grams 1-carboxy eod on off days 1mg pramipexole for prolactin.
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damn, bro, u dont joke around about being on cycle
 
Pramipexole looks like a decent D3 agonist too! How's the sides with that dopaminergic, CHAPS? I'd guess it would be a pretty clean prolactin antagonist, with maybe some nice additional effects in other areas as well.
 
DR.D said:
Pramipexole looks like a decent D3 agonist too! How's the sides with that dopaminergic, CHAPS? I'd guess it would be a pretty clean prolactin antagonist, with maybe some nice additional effects in other areas as well.
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It's the most potent dopaminergic i've ever used, i've realized i'm more prolactin sensitive then estrogen sensitive, i can either run a low dose ai or none at all if i use pramipexole in there. It also boosts gh a good amount but their are sides and the biggest one for me is mental fog during the day, i will also have some lethargy. I'd liken it to something like Femara on a potency scale, i think i may just find myself some Dostinex tabs and do .5mg eod.
 
tnubs said:
damn, bro, u dont joke around about being on cycle
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I was at 600mg test e+ 600mg masteron e but i had a knee injury that i'm JUST getting over 4 months later. It was overuse, my vmo shut off completely and my glutes stopped firing properly, also had some nasty shin splints.
 
CHAPS said:
K so i'm about 5 days in using 2 heaping scoops of Nutraplanets DAA also have 50mg clomid in there and lots of cissus and 20,000 iu vitamin d gel caps, but the boys seem to be getting plumper lol I was on 500mg test and 200mg mast e so i'm sure my blood levels are quite down to thats 200mg/test e a week yet, so as the synthetic hormones continue to decline i'm sure i'll contnue to see improvements. Something that is of note is i got 2 upper back zits, something i don't get on cycle only when natural test levels are on the rise, hcg dose this to me as well as natural test boosters, skin is also a tad oiler. I may stay at 200mg test e then slowly ramp it down to 100mg possibly do this for 8 weeks along with peptides (ghrp-6+ mod grf 1-29, out of ghrp-6 should be here in a couple days) before ramping test back up.

Also using 1.5grams 1-carboxy eod on off days 1mg pramipexole for prolactin.
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2 heaping scoops?? the mine comes without scoop?
 
redbirdfan1 said:
I tried a couple different ways. always the same result.
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DAA does affect a small minority of people this way. For those affected, PA suggests putting the serving into a bottle of water and sipping it through the day to break the dose right up.
 
redbirdfan1 said:
I used TestForce...it gave me the nastiest ****s. It had to be that because once I stopped using it, i was gtg.
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Calcium supplements can increase your risk of myocardial infarction (heart attack) by 27%! I warned you guys about the synergistic CNS toxicity with DAA already, not to mention the kidney problems for juicers, but now a study clearly demonstrates the cardiac problems as well.

Bad choice to use Calcium Aspartate IMO.
 
DR.D said:
Check this out:

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Calcium supplements can increase your risk of myocardial infarction (heart attack) by 27%! I warned you guys about the synergistic CNS toxicity with DAA already, not to mention the kidney problems for juicers, but now a study clearly demonstrates the cardiac problems as well.

Bad choice to use Calcium Aspartate IMO.
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so NO Calcium Magnesium Complex!
 
MAxximal said:
so NO Calcium Magnesium Complex!
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Don't get me wrong about Magnesium, I take magnesium every night. It's perfect right before bed because it promotes good sleep. It also helps in keeping kidneys clear from Calcium stones, keeps the arteries free of Calcium build-up (which contributes big time to arteriosclerosis), supports healthy joint function, raises free-T levels, and is involved with well over a hundred other enzyme processes in the body. Magnesium supplementation is generally a good thing, so a mag complex of DAA would prolly be "ok" in my book.

I'd rather take Magnesium at night and DAA in the morning though, so I still think straight DAA is best (or Sodium DAA if you want a soluble form.)
 
DR.D said:
Don't get me wrong about Magnesium, I take magnesium every night. It's perfect right before bed because it promotes good sleep. It also helps in keeping kidneys clear from Calcium stones, keeps the arteries free of Calcium build-up (which contributes big time to arteriosclerosis), supports healthy joint function, raises free-T levels, and is involved with well over a hundred other enzyme processes in the body. Magnesium supplementation is generally a good thing, so a mag complex of DAA would prolly be "ok" in my book.

I'd rather take Magnesium at night and DAA in the morning though, so I still think straight DAA is best (or Sodium DAA if you want a soluble form.)
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rigth now i use NP DAA + Supersapopins is the most beautiful combo on the earth (for me)

p.s. what is the best for of magnesium?
 
MAxximal said:
rigth now i use NP DAA + Supersapopins is the most beautiful combo on the earth (for me)

p.s. what is the best for of magnesium?
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The Ascorbate kills 2 birds with 1 stone, because you get a decent dose of Vitamin C at the same time.

But if you're on a budget (like me, lol) you can also use cheap Magnesium Oxide and take Ascorbic Acid (vit. C) simultaneously, you'll get in-vivo Magnesium Ascorbate that forms from that combo in the gut. You can also take the cheap stuff with a meal or protein shake and it'll form amino chelates that will be well absorbed as well.

However, the Citrate salt has the best research regarding detox though chelation of metals and other toxic ions, not to mention many other potential benefits. It also acts as a blood buffer which alkalinizes the urinary track in particular. Good stuff.

There's also a form of Creatine that's a Magnesium chelate, and it's good creatine too. So another 2 birds with 1 stone form of Magnesium.

So it's up to you. Whether you go with your favorite or something cheaper, there's usually a way to make it work.
 
does tcf1 contain calcium??? dr.D how do dose ur DAA daily? any breaks? also how do u handle estro and prolactin problems
 
Jasen said:
does tcf1 contain calcium??? dr.D how do dose ur DAA daily? any breaks? also how do u handle estro and prolactin problems
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I have not personally used tcf1, but it does not appear to contain Calcium. The Sodium salt is an acceptable form IMO.

I prefer plain DAA in capsule form, and commented extensively about my personal protocols earlier in the thread. Basically, I've had success with 10mg/lb body weight, dosing for several months before breaking, then taking a break equaling not less than half of the time on. This is a sufficient break to restore effectiveness back to previous levels IME. So I used about 2.3g per day (taking all of it in the morning, or split in 2 equal doses during the day) for 2 months, then take 1 month off before repeating.

I have used 7-Methoxyflavone (a natural O-methylated flavone AI) at 50-150mg/day during my DAA experiments, but it does not appear to be essential. At doses of 100-150mg it certainly seems to accentuate the test boosting effect of DAA, but even with no estro/prolac supports I have not experienced any overt endocrine side effects from DAA.
 
Hmmmm thanks so would you say even though there's a increase in prolactin it is not neccassary harmful or negative
 
It may be with some guys, but I haven't had any issues even with doses between 3-4.5g/day. I'm pretty estro sensitive too so I wouldn't anticipate it would be a problem for most of the guys I know here.

A little Mucuna extract (l-dopa) or St. John's Wort might help if you're worried about it. Those are too common herbs with noticeable anti-prolactin activity IME.
 
Hmmm thanks ill keep that in mind
 
DR.D said:
Yes, just for extra insurance. It doesn't seem to be necessary, but I don't think it hurts. Some AI's can actually antagonize the steroidogenic mechanism of DAA, but 7-MF seems like a solid natural choice.
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Which AI's would cause this antagonization? Would anostra be one of them?
 
So a little over 30 days of use with 200mg test e/week and 6g's DAA and i'm definetly convinced that this stuff is boosting my natural test levels, i know Dante Trudel has blood work of his use of DAA along with HRT and it bumped his test up as well. I noticed my upper back breaking out a bit, oiler skin, increased semen volume, and some size increase with the "boys". I'm going to incorporate DAA from now on when i cruise every 8 weeks or so, i'll still use hcg to bring back testicular size though. I did feel that prolactin was elevated as my sex drive was affected, but use of 1-carboxy at 1.5 eod alternating with Pramipexole 1mg eod counteracted this. I'm giving it two thumbs up, dirt cheap, effective and the taste isn't horrid.
 
in case no one here had noticed Primordial is having a sale of their DAA product.

You get it free along with our TRS stack... should make for a VERY effective natty test boosting stack but I plan on using it in my upcoming PCT... great deal NOW for the winter cycles future PCT's too!
 
mw1 said:
Ive been using NP for 2 weeks or so and I've gotta say I'm pretty impressed~~especially for the price.
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bloodwork?
or you just feel like it's working?
 
DR.D said:
Check this out:

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Calcium supplements can increase your risk of myocardial infarction (heart attack) by 27%! I warned you guys about the synergistic CNS toxicity with DAA already, not to mention the kidney problems for juicers, but now a study clearly demonstrates the cardiac problems as well.

Bad choice to use Calcium Aspartate IMO.
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I know this is old but I just ran across it....and just ordered testforce, was that a bad choice?
 
bubble boy said:
I know this is old but I just ran across it....and just ordered testforce, was that a bad choice?
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Nah, just one bottle shouldn't kill you (but I would at least take a Mg supp at night before bed, and drink plenty of water.) I'm just saying if I had a choice of DAA products, it wouldn't be my first choice.
 
first post on here guys, but this thread seems to be the one with the most relevant infomation on DAA. I have read through the 10 pages to date and picked up some good info!

I have just got myself a tub of pure DAA and planning to start a 2 week 3gram dosage followed by a 2 week 2 gram dosage. I am thinking of also using testatropin with DAA but worried that I may have an elevated estrogen reaction. I do have Arimidex as well but from reading through im not sure that an anti estrogen is needed? obviously estrogen at the right level is important in the system.

Just wondering what your thoughts are on stacking testatropin with DAA are, and whether i need arimidex or not?

thanks guys
 
angelexpress said:
first post on here guys, but this thread seems to be the one with the most relevant infomation on DAA. I have read through the 10 pages to date and picked up some good info!

I have just got myself a tub of pure DAA and planning to start a 2 week 3gram dosage followed by a 2 week 2 gram dosage. I am thinking of also using testatropin with DAA but worried that I may have an elevated estrogen reaction. I do have Arimidex as well but from reading through im not sure that an anti estrogen is needed? obviously estrogen at the right level is important in the system.

Just wondering what your thoughts are on stacking testatropin with DAA are, and whether i need arimidex or not?

thanks guys
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I had a few monster pimples after I stopped my month of DAA. While not dangerous high, I do think my estrogen was elevated. Add in another test booster and who knows?
 
If you to PHF and look at the bloodwork done after DAA usage all show elevated E2 levels.
 
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