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The Future of Primordial Performance

hoopem6 said:
I thought I'd repost this for those not subscribed to the other "The Future of Primordial..." thread:
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dang.guess i gotta keep saving.
 
If those are the prices, people will not purchase these products unless there is absolutely nothing else available on the market. For safety I see people paying a premium, maybe $50-60 for a months supply but anything even approaching $100 is pushing it for 90% of those who would use this product. At that price, things like an AAS/Test cycle start to become a very real alternative in terms of cost and SURELY in effectiveness. Anyways, I hope for everyone's sake those are not the prices.
 
oufinny said:
If those are the prices, people will not purchase these products unless there is absolutely nothing else available on the market. For safety I see people paying a premium, maybe $50-60 for a months supply but anything even approaching $100 is pushing it for 90% of those who would use this product. At that price, things like an AAS/Test cycle start to become a very real alternative in terms of cost and SURELY in effectiveness. Anyways, I hope for everyone's sake those are not the prices.
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I think cellucor products are priced high and people pay it. But yeah 200 is steep...
 
oufinny said:
If those are the prices, people will not purchase these products unless there is absolutely nothing else available on the market. For safety I see people paying a premium, maybe $50-60 for a months supply but anything even approaching $100 is pushing it for 90% of those who would use this product. At that price, things like an AAS/Test cycle start to become a very real alternative in terms of cost and SURELY in effectiveness. Anyways, I hope for everyone's sake those are not the prices.
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Mostly but for 100% legal able to be used by tested athletes products, that wouldn't be unrealistic. I doubt its that kind of pricing anyhow.
 
I'm pretty sure PP has done their market research homework and realizes that once a product breaks the $100 bracket it will significantly reduce customer base.

I don't think those posted figures are all that accurate. Unless one package can be used for multiple cycles or something like that.
 
Damn. Someone at PP must been smokin some andro-chronic when they came out with those prices, if they're legit.
 
who knows? i doubt they are BUT when you figure ' stacks ' that were avail to us in the old line, the priceing may not be too far fetched..example, you could get a bottle of something for about 70 bucks, but if that bottle was part of a 'stack' you could be looking at 150.00-200.00..anyway, none of us is gonna know till the stuff is avail so im really not gonna worry at all about it.
 
EasyEJL said:
Mostly but for 100% legal able to be used by tested athletes products, that wouldn't be unrealistic. I doubt its that kind of pricing anyhow.
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I agree with Easy, but I'm hoping the price point is more friendly for my wallet :)

Exciting times though!
 
hoopem6 said:
I thought I'd repost this for those not subscribed to the other "The Future of Primordial..." thread:
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nooooooooo that cannot be true, can it? really ? c'mon!?
 
wait i thought that pricing was a joke...was he serious???
 
hoopem6 said:
As I stated in the other thread, I'm sure a Primordial rep will eventually chime in and either confirm or deny the prices listed.
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Not quite. I won't confirm or deny the statements made in this thread, (..and before I get accused of not knowing, I am informed of what the release prices will be). We are within weeks of the official product write ups and potential release date. Buckle that seat belt, and just wait to see what we deliver.
 
If them prices are true then I'm happy ... because it shows how good the products will be and must be worth the price tag because I trust them maybe you can get products like episode superdrol cheaper but I hope the new products will be alot safer and as effective then ill pay for that :-)
 
Gym4Life said:
If them prices are true then I'm happy ... because it shows how good the products will be and must be worth the price tag because I trust them maybe you can get products like episode superdrol cheaper but I hope the new products will be alot safer and as effective then ill pay for that :-)
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I like the cut of your jib. :)
 
Gym4Life said:
If them prices are true then I'm happy ... because it shows how good the products will be and must be worth the price tag because I trust them maybe you can get products like episode superdrol cheaper but I hope the new products will be alot safer and as effective then ill pay for that :-)
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Agreed on this. Rather pay for a quality product then cheaping out on what can be a dangerous place to cut corners.

Even if true, that would probably be retail, which puts them on NP for $119 (Andromass), $79 ( Androhard) and $45 (Androlean) ish... once it's for a decent cycle supply... we'll see :)
 
HereToStudy said:
Not quite. I won't confirm or deny the statements made in this thread, (..and before I get accused of not knowing, I am informed of what the release prices will be). We are within weeks of the official product write ups and potential release date. Buckle that seat belt, and just wait to see what we deliver.
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Sounds good. Until then, I will be anxiously awaiting the release date and informational details!
 
Andromass- $200
Androhard- $120
Androlean- $80

:shocked:

I'm biting my tongue until the official information...

Hoopem who posted those numbers?
 
chocolatemilk said:
Andromass- $200
Androhard- $120
Androlean- $80

:shocked:
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Really, that is all that needs to be said. You all know how I feel about it, quality or not, that is too rich for most of their target markets blood. :wave2: I am going to wave goodbye to these if those are in fact the prices and until they are released, there is really nothing left to say.
 
We have been discussing the costs involved in making these products and what the suggested retail price will be when they're released. We're not releasing a formal statement on pricing right now.

I will say that the cost of making these products is very expensive in general. Trying to make effective and safe products in this market since the FDA/DEA have cracked down is becoming increasingly more difficult; so don't be surprised if they're close to those numbers.

I know that it's hard to understand this if you're not working on the inside in this industry, but it's the truth. Becoming GMP certified and producing a product line that's 100% DSHEA compliant, safe, and effective costs a good chunk of change. I don't know about you, but overall safety and regulatory compliance are very important factors in the grand scheme of things; otherwise, you'll be looking from the outside in.

When the hammer does fall on this industry, the only companies that will remain are those that planned ahead and took the necessary steps to ensure their survival.


Now, I wonder where these "hearsay" prices came from...




-John
 
i agree with Resolve..until things are known, why stress out over it.
im just as curious as the next guy but im not losing sleep over it..
 
Trauma1 said:
We have been discussing the costs involved in making these products and what the suggested retail price will be when they're released. We're not releasing a formal statement on pricing right now.

I will say that the cost of making these products is very expensive in general. Trying to make effective and safe products in this market since the FDA/DEA have cracked down is becoming increasingly more difficult; so don't be surprised if they're close to those numbers.

I know that it's hard to understand this if you're not working on the inside in this industry, but it's the truth. Becoming GMP certified and producing a product line that's 100% DSHEA compliant, safe, and effective costs a good chunk of change. I don't know about you, but overall safety and regulatory compliance are very important factors in the grand scheme of things; otherwise, you'll be looking from the outside in.

When the hammer does fall on this industry, the only companies that will remain are those that planned ahead and took the necessary steps to ensure their survival.


Now, I wonder where these "hearsay" prices came from...




-John
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I completely agree.

If the prices are at LEAST as much as speculated then that alone would be reason for the need of covering production costs and costs for adhering to compliance in the industry. That doesn't even begin to cover the possible efficiency of these new products and the delivery technology....

I for one would be willing to pay that price in those ranges knowing what I know about these products given the supply was also in accordance with possible useful cycle length.

I think a few of you saying these kind of prices will cause many of the possible consumers to be dissuaded from making a purchase just don't realize what people are willing to pay for completely legal alternatives that will have these types of effects and safety profiles...

Any that are initially off put by the price that can't seem to understand the write ups or take them at face value will definitely be converted once the they begin to see the public logs. These supplements will speak for themselves as well as having scientific backing in their write ups...

Either way, the prices and info are just around the corner. I think everyone will be saving up their gift cards and putting these on their wish lists this christmas.

Mmmmm AndroMass mmmmm.
 
Trauma1 said:
We have been discussing the costs involved in making these products and what the suggested retail price will be when they're released. We're not releasing a formal statement on pricing right now.

I will say that the cost of making these products is very expensive in general. Trying to make effective and safe products in this market since the FDA/DEA have cracked down is becoming increasingly more difficult; so don't be surprised if they're close to those numbers.

I know that it's hard to understand this if you're not working on the inside in this industry, but it's the truth. Becoming GMP certified and producing a product line that's 100% DSHEA compliant, safe, and effective costs a good chunk of change. I don't know about you, but overall safety and regulatory compliance are very important factors in the grand scheme of things; otherwise, you'll be looking from the outside in.

When the hammer does fall on this industry, the only companies that will remain are those that planned ahead and took the necessary steps to ensure their survival.


Now, I wonder where these "hearsay" prices came from...




-John
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John - I spent the last 18 months working for a start-up company in the oilfield pipeline business; the numbers floating around to bring our product to market were staggering. I completely understand from a commercial standpoint where PP is coming from in saying there are significant development and regulatory compliance costs to make products of this nature. Do I know the steps taken, hoops jumped through and/or amount of work that goes into it, absolutely not.

Here is what I and many other consumers do know and I believe you will agree with me on this. There are two ways to bring a product(s) to market that has a significant development cost associated with it. 1) pass on the cost up front to the consumer so the company can recoup its investment quickly. This being done because there is a big enough perceived demand to offset the high cost and even a smaller amount of sales will still generate the needed revenue. 2) provide new product(s) at a reduced cost to generate momentum in the market and pay off the investment over a longer period of time. This being done to PRODUCE demand based on the products known performance (through consumer usage over time) and generate repeat customers ensuring the investment pays for itself. Whatever route PP chooses to take will ultimately work for them though each has its upsides and downsides. I just hope for all of our sakes that these products we so desperately want to be as effective as you say they are, to be AS EFFECTIVE as you say they are :).

Now I have spoke my peace, again, and probably sound like a broken record. I guess I will have to wait like the rest of us and decide whether or not some AndroMass will be on my Christmas list or not.
 
Bring on ChristMASS!!
 
i could see my self buying these, sure its kinda high priced but hey if they deliver and dont pull a muscltech on us its all good IMO
 
along with everyone else... looking forward to more info and the release date ... :)
 
nebosh said:
I'll still wait for more info , but the prices have me troubled for now :(
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More info is best. Once that is released and you have definite pricing details, all will make sense.

~Rosie~
 
rochabp said:
i could see my self buying these, sure its kinda high priced but hey if they deliver and dont pull a muscltech on us its all good IMO
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I'm anxious to say more and for the info to come out because then everything will make sense. All I am at liberty to say though is that The AndroSeries line is going to blow the competition away and I can't wait for everyone to read the writeups and see how these products are going to be worth their price tags. ;)

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Primordial Performance
 
SamBoz19 said:
I'm anxious to say more and for the info to come out because then everything will make sense. All I am at liberty to say though is that The AndroSeries line is going to blow the competition away and I can't wait for everyone to read the writeups and see how these products are going to be worth their price tags. ;)

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Primordial Performance
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i guess thats two of us, im really anxious

kinda funny how we (users) used to be bummed out because of the ban and know look at all the good stuff coming that is hormone related; trenavar, ment, bola, andromass, androlean, androhard.

the horizon looks bright

i truly cant wait
 
PP always runs some great sales on their products so I'm not sweeting the price details as of yet. Like everyone say's, I just have to wait and get all the information before I decide to fret or not. :D
 
Agreed on the sales, also I'm assuming a volume discount will be offered, so if a few guys get together and split a few bottles cost will come down. Very interested to see the writeups, also I remember the andromass being 2 of the original compounds put together, so $200 might be a very good deal considering the other two prices, but I have my eye on andromass personally, hoping to hear about some logging opportunities though, the logs will either make or break these products if the prices hold true.
 
ive never had any crap products from PP so i doubt that these guys would put something out that sucked....
 
HATEFULone said:
Agreed on the sales, also I'm assuming a volume discount will be offered, so if a few guys get together and split a few bottles cost will come down. Very interested to see the writeups, also I remember the andromass being 2 of the original compounds put together, so $200 might be a very good deal considering the other two prices, but I have my eye on andromass personally, hoping to hear about some logging opportunities though, the logs will either make or break these products if the prices hold true.
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Two very effective hormones in one, minus support supps as well
 
ryansm said:
Two very effective hormones in one, minus support supps as well
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that is very true never thought of that

we have to consider that with no liver toxicity we dont need milk thistle and NAC anymore
 
ryansm said:
^^^
Would love to hear your experience with Dream Tea

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It works very well, very subtle in it's effects but also very consistent. The tea is what I use the most and I've gone through many bags of it but the essential oils last what feels like forever. I've had the same one since my first purchase. Tastes decent as well.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
PP always runs some great sales on their products so I'm not sweeting the price details as of yet. Like everyone say's, I just have to wait and get all the information before I decide to fret or not. :D
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All I will say is......this ^^^^




-John
 
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