I don't know the shoulder and legs split is one of my favorites. Shoulders first legs second. Shoulders are no bigger than triceps. Easy to do before a leg work.
As far as the water goes, I think people tend to get too liberal with carbs when running these compounds. Oh it makes me want carbs so I will eat them because I love the pump and then I need more because my blood sugar is low because these things require carbs. (Bullsh*t cough). Oh all this water is from the non aromitizing product....
I stayed pretty dry with my DMZ run without any AI. Yes these things shuttle carbs into your muscles but they also shuttle protein in their just as much. My muscles stayed full and rock hard throughout my run even when I should have been flat. Instead of increasing your carbs double your protein for two months and tell me if you arent dry at 100g burn day and 200 build day. I DARE YOU RICK! Just saying prove me wrong here. If I am right you win by looking lean as hell the whole time while staying pumped and having HUGE increase in protein synthesis and less lethargy from insulin levels playing havoc with you. If I am wrong then you get all of said benefits and still hold a lot of water which would then prove it was inevitable.
No disrespect intended to any of my buddies who toss carbs at these compounds I just had a different experience and NEVER experienced the carb lethargy or excess water gains running lower or normal lean eating levels of carbs and increasing fats and proteins. I also gained 16 lbs.
I think I may go ahead and try that somewhat. I will try lowering carbs back to where I had them before I started the cycle (200-250 on workout days, 75-100 burn days) and see how that goes. One thing also is the water retention is not necessarily coming from the DMZ anyways. It could be coming from the M-LMG as I've heard it can be pretty wet, and the Transaderm is giving me water for sure as I ran that solo for 2 weeks so I know what that does. I'm hoping the carb change will help to clean things up some, and if it helps with lehtargy too then all the better. Thanks for the suggestion!
Hmm, shoulder leg day... Interesting split yes... I might have to try it sometime
I enjoy it. Maybe I'm crazy?
Shoulders and legs... that is a crazy split but I see how it could work though I would be beat after that for sure. A workout with Rick sounds like a seriously intense experience, I would bring your A game based on what I am reading!
I will say I am usually dripping in sweat when I leave the gym after that workout....
Damn...There`s no way i could handle shoulders and legs together. Alot of respect for being able to bang through that!
It takes a lot out of me, and due to the volume in the workout, there is little rest between sets so I can get it in under an hour to 75 minutes
it is a typical split though..... i mean chest/tri back/bi shoulders/legs I think its the most common split i know of
Yeh its more common than people think. Its pretty typical, and I use it regularly.
This coming from a true beast among men too! Thinking about it now, the thought of those two together assuming I am doing traps as well, is just flat out scary. HST is hard being full body but even in my best shape I would call uncle on shoulder/legs!
Its not quite as bad as you would think, but at first it is a little shock to the system until you get used to it
odd thing is my carbs are still pretty dang low... I agree with what you are saying though. Carb hungry is partially mental. carb hungry ph make your mind even more carb hungry and body carb hungry. If we can upregulate Glut4 and AMPk we should be able to use non insulin regulated protein synthesis. If we are already insulin sensitive then when we do intake carbs (after a workout for example), we should be able to take in enough carbs and have them only go muscle while having no carbs left for water retention... I'm no expert but I'm going to drop all carbs for a couple days see if I can dry up... (well not yet. I'm cycling into my famine phase soon.)
Yeh I'm going to give it a go for a while to see what I think. Hopefully dropping them down some will make a bit of a difference
This is where it is at, Chris is right in that carbs being low makes for a lot less lethargy on cycle. I had two grapefruit today before my workout, I tore that shiz up. Before I would have at least a cup of rice and my protein shake, sure I got better pumps but nothing else changed and I lost fat at a slower rate. These compounds work amazing on low carbs and high calories from protein and fat; people just don't want to go 5-6 days on low carbs before their carb up. Sure I want more carbs on my low days which are under 60 or so but each day I wake up leaner, not hard to stay motivated when that is what you see. And if you are holding water and don't want to run an AI, pound that broccoli and asparagus along with 2+ gallons of water a day, you will not hold near as much. There are many ways to skin a cat but if your goal is to lean bulk, 400+ grams of carbs a day isn't necessary to be successful.
Its interesting hearing that, considering I've always heard and been told that if you were lethargic on cycle to add in more carbs, but this thinking says the opposite. It makes perfect sense, and what it really comes down to is finding the "sweet spot" on carbs. Not too high and not too low...
