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jazzman21 said:
11 oxo and Testofen
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TESTOFEN is a product containing fenugreek seed extract as an active ingredient.

Formulation of TESTOFEN

Fenugreek seed was ground into a powder and was extracted using hydro-alcohol and
a proprietary process of extraction. Thereafter, it was spray dried into a powder.


fenugreek seed extract standardized at 50% fenusides

IF NUTRA MADE THIS POSSIBLE I WILL CRY
 
MAxximal said:
TESTOFEN is a product containing fenugreek seed extract as an active ingredient.

Formulation of TESTOFEN

Fenugreek seed was ground into a powder and was extracted using hydro-alcohol and
a proprietary process of extraction. Thereafter, it was spray dried into a powder.


fenugreek seed extract standardized at 50% fenusides

IF NUTRA MADE THIS POSSIBLE I WILL CRY
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They had it for awhile last year and it sold horribly. They clearanced it out last fall (100g@50% extract for $10)/
 
MAxximal said:
TESTOFEN is a product containing fenugreek seed extract as an active ingredient.

Formulation of TESTOFEN

Fenugreek seed was ground into a powder and was extracted using hydro-alcohol and
a proprietary process of extraction. Thereafter, it was spray dried into a powder.


fenugreek seed extract standardized at 50% fenusides

IF NUTRA MADE THIS POSSIBLE I WILL CRY
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Rodja said:
They had it for awhile last year and it sold horribly. They clearanced it out last fall (100g@50% extract for $10)/
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MAxximal said:
WHAT????....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Horrible. Maybe it was just before it's time?? I think they should give it a second chance.
Many new testboosters are using it - phytotest-testopro-etc...

I really want to try this in bulk. either liquid or powder. please.:puppy_dog_eyes:
 
monstermash said:
Horrible. Maybe it was just before it's time?? I think they should give it a second chance.
Many new testboosters are using it - phytotest-testopro-etc...

I really want to try this in bulk. either liquid or powder. please.:puppy_dog_eyes:
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Testofen has been used widely since '06, but the PH/PS market is more profitable, which is why it is only recently coming to the forefront.
 
Dose 110xo have any sides that arn't caused by cortisol lowering? You know how prohormones can have sides that have nothing to do with the actual hormones they stimulate.
 
cortisol lowering often leads to very dry joints, which is problematic if you have any kind of joint/tendon problems. You can supplement against it (cissus) or train around it.
 
kingdong said:
Dose 110xo have any sides that arn't caused by cortisol lowering? You know how prohormones can have sides that have nothing to do with the actual hormones they stimulate.
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yes. Very mild prohoromone.
hairloss, enlarged prostate,etc... still a possibility.

IMO cycle support would be a tad overkill but taking something for the prostate wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
Glucuronolactone has my vote. I've never heard of any sides, so it woud be a good part of my fitness regimin.
 
I'd like to point out that while 11-oxo was the #1 winner, glucuronolactone did get a lot of feedback. Make it happen.
 
I'll be different. How about some bulk or capped pharmaceutical grade D-Phenylalanine and L-tyrosine.
 
11-oxo

never used 7-keto or the other 7-keto. heard they are best transdermal?

they use one in lean xtreme which everyone gives good reviews.
 
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I am definitely getting some of this ASAP....just thought I would let those interested know that its here :thumbsup:
 
Resolve said:
What is the benefit of this form of carn over other forms?
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the L caritine studies were done with this form; although, i think alcar and regular l carnitine works just as good.

No one can prove it though unless they do the same studies with alcar and l carnitine.
 
Resolve said:
What is the benefit of this form of carn over other forms?
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"Benefit" is relative here, as it depends on one's goal. All three popular advanced carnitine forms (ALCAR, (G)PLC, and LCLT) are superior to straight carnitine. There are certainly other advanced carnitine forms (essentially molecular bonds with other compounds), no question. ALCAR promotes mitochnodrial function and energy production in CNS and other tissues, beside promoting fat metabolism. It crosses the blood brain barrier, binds to dopamine receptors and supports the production of acetylcholine, while facilitating the neutralization of oxidative stress and combating neurotoxicity. LCLT promotes mitochondrial function, and enhances the sensitivity and density of androgen receptors. Propionyl L-Carnitine, like other advance carnitine forms, supports enhanced mitochondrial function and fatty acid metabolism. Besides, it improves nitric-oxide synthesis and vasodilation, while reducing muscle fatigue. So, the different advanced forms have different sets of benefits, and the specific choice of an advanced carnitine form depends on one's goals.
 
Helpful information, gentlemen - thank you. :approve:


smeton_yea said:
the L caritine studies were done with this form; although, i think alcar and regular l carnitine works just as good.

No one can prove it though unless they do the same studies with alcar and l carnitine.
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strategicmove said:
"Benefit" is relative here, as it depends on one's goal. All three popular advanced carnitine forms (ALCAR, (G)PLC, and LCLT) are superior to straight carnitine. There are certainly other advanced carnitine forms (essentially molecular bonds with other compounds), no question. ALCAR promotes mitochnodrial function and energy production in CNS and other tissues, beside promoting fat metabolism. It crosses the blood brain barrier, binds to dopamine receptors and supports the production of acetylcholine, while facilitating the neutralization of oxidative stress and combating neurotoxicity. LCLT promotes mitochondrial function, and enhances the sensitivity and density of androgen receptors. Propionyl L-Carnitine, like other advance carnitine forms, supports enhanced mitochondrial function and fatty acid metabolism. Besides, it improves nitric-oxide synthesis and vasodilation, while reducing muscle fatigue. So, the different advanced forms have different sets of benefits, and the specific choice of an advanced carnitine form depends on one's goals.
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strategicmove said:
"Benefit" is relative here, as it depends on one's goal. All three popular advanced carnitine forms (ALCAR, (G)PLC, and LCLT) are superior to straight carnitine. There are certainly other advanced carnitine forms (essentially molecular bonds with other compounds), no question. ALCAR promotes mitochnodrial function and energy production in CNS and other tissues, beside promoting fat metabolism. It crosses the blood brain barrier, binds to dopamine receptors and supports the production of acetylcholine, while facilitating the neutralization of oxidative stress and combating neurotoxicity. LCLT promotes mitochondrial function, and enhances the sensitivity and density of androgen receptors. Propionyl L-Carnitine, like other advance carnitine forms, supports enhanced mitochondrial function and fatty acid metabolism. Besides, it improves nitric-oxide synthesis and vasodilation, while reducing muscle fatigue. So, the different advanced forms have different sets of benefits, and the specific choice of an advanced carnitine form depends on one's goals.
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any adverse effect on low-carb diet (20g day)
 
11oxo

androsten

BULK icariin of the highest grade that you can find
 
11-Oxo
Mos def 7-Keto and 7-OH, i've been hoping NP would start carrying these in bulk for some time.
Glucuronolactone

Some things I'd think would be pretty cool if NP started carrying would be
-Methylcobalamin
-more Thiamine analogues besides sulbutiamine
-bulk kava root SE
-and definitely a bulk kanna SE
 
Bulk 11-OXO
Bulk 7-Keto
Bulk 7-Hydroxy Keto
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Yes, yes, yes.
And gimme some 60-90% HPLC ecdy and 90+ % resveratrol to go with that.
Maybe some 15% Avenacoside avena sativa as well.
I'd make a nasty couple of stacks.
 
well if nutra not comes with this i put my AK-47 in the face of Santa Claus and i swear i kill him!

lol

:cheers:
 
Definitely more no flush niacin caps.

5-10lbs + whey isolate unflavored

an NP super foods green powder that won't destroy my wallet

bulk (1000) cod liver oil caps

Methylated sublingual b12
 
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