oufinny
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I am actually heavier than you now, first time in a long time. Get that shoulder in shape before you hit the dungeon man, it brings out the animal in you and being injured is not the way to go.
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I am actually heavier than you now, first time in a long time. Get that shoulder in shape before you hit the dungeon man, it brings out the animal in you and being injured is not the way to go.
ex-tightend83
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Kleen! How ya been?! Don't ignore me, LOL. Good to see you're still among the living.
MrKleen73
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Not ignoring, got distracted with work. How you doing brother? I see that Fin already answered the questions you asked. Work has been insane shoulder is getting better. You logging anything?
By the way the raspberry ketones increase camp and are a nice smooth energy. Great in trandermals due to adding synergy to whatever they are with and very cheap. Yohimbine compliments it well.
oufinny
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Yes I need to get Chris to make me one of his witch's brews so I can use it in place of that clenviscerate, I will call it KLEENviscerate!
MrKleen73
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LOVE IT!
ex-tightend83
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Ha! I'd DEFINITELY buy some of that. How 'bout it, Kleen? Anyway, I'm finishing up a Boladrol/Slin/IGF-1 stack. I'll post my final review of it on Monday. Fin was nice enough to share some info on his current stack/UD2.0 diet with me and, WOW!!! I might give this a shot in a couple months. I'd be cut even better than I was back in my 20s (sheds wistful tear). :happysad::afro:
oufinny
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I never thought that I had to get BIG to get cut, now I look better than I did when I was 180 pounds... if there is a will there is a way. You can continue to chip away at the fat and continue to add muscle, the more muscle, the faster the fat goes away (to a point). Keep crushing it ExT and Kleen!!!! :aargh:
RickRock13
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As you increase muscle mass you will appear leaner even if you are at the same bodyfat. It is an added bonus to getting muscle. 12% at 200 lbs. Looks leaner than 12% at 180.
oufinny
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Well it is not bad but not good either, definitely pulled or strained. I will be doing just hammies and calves for all of next week and just do leg press at a lighter weight on Thursday, then I am going fishing all weekend so that should be one full week of healing then I will get 3 more weeks to beat it up. It is not ideal but better to be safe then sorry. It is not fun under load when I try to push on it and today on hack squat I just couldn't get deep without pain I knew better than to push... so I killed myself with everything else instead.
Started the Epi today, BP went up, big surprise, but otherwise no sides to report but I did notice some back tightening that was mitigated with 5 grams of taurine. Otherwise feeling pretty good considering I am bridging to highly toxic orals at the moment.
ex-tightend83
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:bigok: Well put.
oufinny
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If you can get to 280 and under 15% BF ExT, it will be quite the site to see man. Not sure what your long term goals are but I am sure you will get there.
MrKleen73
Legend
He is bigger than he looks.
Don't let the lighting fool you guys, Matt is bigger than he looks for sure. I met up with him last night and got a bite to eat. He is thicker and broader across than his pics let on. When he shreds it up he will be surprised at the mass he has right now.
Don't let the lighting fool you guys, Matt is bigger than he looks for sure. I met up with him last night and got a bite to eat. He is thicker and broader across than his pics let on. When he shreds it up he will be surprised at the mass he has right now.
oufinny
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Thanks Chris! I am feeling pretty big now that I am sitting at 212 (though that is post carb up) and hope the addition of Epi and AT-2 help. Now that I am cutting the cals back ever further Mon-Thurs it should yield some additional fat loss on top of what is going on. Like I said above, quads are getting a break this week to let my right one heal, then I will be back to crushing it next week. No Saturday workout this week... not sure how I am going manage that just yet, maybe just throw in cardio Friday morning and Sunday.
mich29
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very smart moves here
oufinny
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Thanks Mitch, it did not bother me last night doing deads so I think it is 90% better at this point and no pain anymore when I stand. Will push legs to Thursday either way to give it more time to head. So I had this long a** post typed yesterday but I guess I never actually clicked "post" so it is not here. Lot's has changed in the last 36 hours since I met with Chris. Let's get an overview of the changes:
1 - UD2.0 is dropped. Does not fit the schedule at all and really inconvenient if you want to live a normal life. Workouts really sucked donkey balls too.
2 - LeanGains is not the plan and I started day one today. Fasting will be 16 hours and food will be brought in around 2:00-2:30 with one good sized feeding then one more before the workout around 4:30 (mainly whey protein and fruit). This is a great way to get carbs in my diet, use IGF-1 like I want to and GET CARBS IN MY DIET
. Plus, partioning is so strong when you do this carbs don't have near the impact on metabolism (as in slowing it down in my case). 
arty:3 - Forged Burner + Alpha-T2 = Matt burning up at his desk right now. :hammer:
4 - GH Frag used in the morning now that I have 8 hours of fasting so it will really free up fatty acids and help burn the fat like the champ it is, you go GH! :yikes:
5 - The Kleenster and I came together and now I am doing a modified Warrior Workout but not in the full body format. It will be a four day split and I did it with two main sets, two driops last night but I am running some real deal goodies so its time to bring it to 3, maybe 4 work sets and 2 drops. I will use this format for 2-3 large movements and do 3 sets of 8 for some ancillaries. Yesterday's workout took about 50 minutes, it was glorious AND I was sweating like a champ all while getting a pump.
6 - There will be no refeeds and on off days carbs will be under 100 grams and total cals will be under 2700 on all days, pretty low for anabolics so the aggressive recomp phase has begun. On workout days, carbs will be about ~160-200 to feed the IGF-1 and get my cals up around 2700. I really like this format and though it will be a struggle during the day to not eat, I hear it does not take long before your body gets used to the change.
Fat, this is what I a doing to you BEOTCH! :spankme: :spankme:
VolcomX311
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lol, bitch slap that adipose Fin.
oufinny
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Oh fear not Sam, it is getting the Sugar Ray Leonard treatment. Surprisingly able to get my cals in without too much trouble so far though 3 hamburger patties is not easy and I will have to struggle to get in enough veggies. Next meal will be two scoops of casein, peanut butter and a bagel,maybe some celery to keep the food moving through the bowels.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Why no refeeds.. you mean no more refeeds for the next 8 weeks ?
MrKleen73
Legend
This will be in my own update shortly but here is an explanation to that question DW.
It is really a daily refeed, it is similar to the Warrior diet but with muscle mass in mind. There are lower carb days when you don't lift that you can still have a balance on and then a higher carb moderate fat day. However it is the Leptin response to this pattern that helps the cutting while building muscle mass. So carbs are basically high enough a massive refeed is not needed. On high carb days 300-400 grams of carbs is no problem. There are a lot of options and they don't always have to be clean for it to work. Sometimes even moreso they are not even close. So far I get a hunger pang or two around the times I am used to eating, but then it is gone with in minutes. More a conditioned response that will diminish quickly. However it is challenging to get it all in those 8 hours however a few more sirlions will fix that... Home made turkey chili with rice, MMMMMMM lots of good options. I am giving this at least 6 weeks to see how it actually works. Oh yeah I am also taking 8 grams of Glutamine/BCAA mix and 1 GEAR every 2 hours during the fast to promote synthesis. Anything under 50 calories does not break the fast and can be done every couple of hours without losing the effects.
It is really a daily refeed, it is similar to the Warrior diet but with muscle mass in mind. There are lower carb days when you don't lift that you can still have a balance on and then a higher carb moderate fat day. However it is the Leptin response to this pattern that helps the cutting while building muscle mass. So carbs are basically high enough a massive refeed is not needed. On high carb days 300-400 grams of carbs is no problem. There are a lot of options and they don't always have to be clean for it to work. Sometimes even moreso they are not even close. So far I get a hunger pang or two around the times I am used to eating, but then it is gone with in minutes. More a conditioned response that will diminish quickly. However it is challenging to get it all in those 8 hours however a few more sirlions will fix that... Home made turkey chili with rice, MMMMMMM lots of good options. I am giving this at least 6 weeks to see how it actually works. Oh yeah I am also taking 8 grams of Glutamine/BCAA mix and 1 GEAR every 2 hours during the fast to promote synthesis. Anything under 50 calories does not break the fast and can be done every couple of hours without losing the effects.
oufinny
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Crap I forgot about that, hitting up some BC+EAA to sip on today around 10 AM and 12 PM, should help a lot with protein synthesis. That and protein won't blunt the GH I have in my bloodstream right now
. :dance:
oufinny
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200 grams of carbs 4 days a week is plenty and 100 or so on off days, that is a lot of carbs a week for people like Chris and I who just flat out don't process carbs well. Feeling pretty good right now and it is nice to get a pump again!
DreamWeaver
Legend
About half my carbs come from vegtables so although I get a fair amount in I still get pretty deflated... My carb-ups are much smaller than they were though..
VolcomX311
Legend
You forgot to add my name to the list of faulty carb processors.
oufinny
Well-known member
My bad, I forgot your fat goes up 1% each time you look at carbs like mine!
VolcomX311
Legend
I'm on the diet oxygen diet.
oufinny
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You would love IGF-1 man, carbs get eaten up and forced into muscle. Leg pump I had today was IN-SANE!
RickRock13
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oufinny
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Ok, to all you cycle support manufacturers out there... STOP WITH THE DAMN SAW PALMETTO. I cut myself shaving, should take 2-3 minutes with a tissue to stop bleeding, no big deal. Uh no, been a FREAKING HOUR and it still is dribbling.
There are better ways to protect someone's prostate that won't put you at risk to bleed to death. Yes, you heard that right and you are on notice. Say you have an accident, guess what, you aren't going to stop bleeding without a lot of help and pressure bandages, god forbid you have surgery. Sure, I could have been more careful but none one is completely devoid of accidents.
It's called stinging nettle root and pumpkin seed oil, get with the damn program and stop putting people at risk. Don't believe me, its called google, you will see the warnings about stopping weeks before surgery for a reason. Not only am I pissed about this I think it is reckless and irresponsible to continue to use this as cycle support ingredient when there are others that carry less side effects and risk. End Rant/
There are better ways to protect someone's prostate that won't put you at risk to bleed to death. Yes, you heard that right and you are on notice. Say you have an accident, guess what, you aren't going to stop bleeding without a lot of help and pressure bandages, god forbid you have surgery. Sure, I could have been more careful but none one is completely devoid of accidents.
It's called stinging nettle root and pumpkin seed oil, get with the damn program and stop putting people at risk. Don't believe me, its called google, you will see the warnings about stopping weeks before surgery for a reason. Not only am I pissed about this I think it is reckless and irresponsible to continue to use this as cycle support ingredient when there are others that carry less side effects and risk. End Rant/
oufinny
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Too big a risk to not protect vital organs, cholesterol and the prostate. I will now just put it together piece by piece in a more targeted manner. I put up a thread in the AI sub-forum, I really don't care if this pisses anyone off it needs to be said. The same deal with milk thistle, it is not a good choice yet it is always used. Times have changed, adapt to them and bring people better products that are safer and more effective.
VolcomX311
Legend
Aware me on a Milk Thistle alternative, I'm not all that savvy on cycle support stuff except for the traditional supps, such as Milk Thistle & friends. I may consider running something that would require cycle support someday, so learn me :22: at the very least I could aware my own friends who are about to run cycles.
oufinny
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Instead of milk thistle I say Liv52 (I should have got this) and the Liver Longer. The rest is up to the person but you would want something for prostate (nettle root, pumpkin seed oil), BP (hawthorne, CoQ10, RYR), NAC for cholesterol and BP, and probably some taurine is all you would need. I could see some Niacin as well, all can ge purchased for pretty cheap just not the liver longer, it is $40.
Milas
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I've seen no real evidence that these support supps do anything to help reduce the negative effects of steroids. I've cycled with and without supports, and noticed no real difference in bloodwork. All the sides that the supports are supposed to help are temporary anyway and will recover. A lot of vets say the same, why I tried it myself in the first place. I'd say the liver and lipid supps are better for recovery post cycle. Just my experience though, if it makes a difference for you, rock on.
What I think you really have to worry about are long term issues like left ventricle hypertrophy and lipid values (again, haven't seen cycle supports do much here, not any better than fish oil or krill at least). That's why 3 cycles a year is my limit.
What I think you really have to worry about are long term issues like left ventricle hypertrophy and lipid values (again, haven't seen cycle supports do much here, not any better than fish oil or krill at least). That's why 3 cycles a year is my limit.
oufinny
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Yeah, any more and I have to question why? Are you so incapable of keeping your gains and cruising that you lose a ton of muscle and replace it with fat? I plan on keeping things in check in between and using cycles to reach certain goals without the time it would take to get there naturally. If I had no job and time to just workout, I wouldn't see the need to be running harsh cycles as I could use diet and rest to give me twice what I can get out of it now (6.5-7 hours of sleep a night on a good day, proper diet 5.5 days a week most weeks instead of 7).
Moving on, last nights workout was great, the IGF-1 pump you get is just retarded on top of DMZ/Epi. My chest and surprisingly my upper back as well were just rock hard the whole time, so much so I had to take a few micro breaks to let is chill out. It was a little warm so was able to workout sans the shirt, my chest for the first time ever actually looked full and well defined; it was my zen moment of the day. All this hard work is paying off, abs are poking through and I continue to maintain my mass, 211, and drop fat which is the goal. Leangains is working, I see a difference just in 4 days of it, that is impressive.
Highlights from last nights workout:
DB Bench 95x8x3
Decline Bench 205x6x3 it was off but my chest was exploding at this point and form was the focus, spot on!
Heavy chain dips - So much pump I cuold only do 3 sets of 8, damn!
Fishing this weekend, should be a blast to say the least. It will be hard to keep leangains going just right this weekend so hopefully there won't be any steps backwards, just maintain what I have at a minimum. Now I have to wait 7 hours before the adventure begins, the Redfish are calling!!!!!!!!!!!!
:dance:
ex-tightend83
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Keep up the good work, Fin! I'm watching!
oufinny
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At 29, why? My HPTA system works just fine and I haven't had kids yet, at this point that seems a bit extreme and I am not a competitor. To each their own and I will not condone someone for doing that, it is just not in my playbook just yet. Later on in life after kids and my natural test production is low, damn straight TRT will be happening!
arty:ex-tightend83
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Well, if I had an understanding of it (someone explaining it to me in detail), I'd damn sure do it!!
oufinny
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It is TRT (cruise, say 250-400 week) without a prescription all the time and when you want to cycle, ramp up your dose (blast, 500+ a week). There is a good recent episode of Super Human Radio that covers this and the risks associated with it. Risks being not getting regular blood work and taking adequate support for estrogen related sides, don't remember everything covered as I am not in a position to need the knowledge just yet.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
got a link to that episode by any chance?
mich29
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At 29, why? My HPTA system works just fine and I haven't had kids yet, at this point that seems a bit extreme and I am not a competitor. To each their own and I will not condone someone for doing that, it is just not in my playbook just yet. Later on in life after kids and my natural test production is low, damn straight TRT will be happening!
I agree unless your going pro or are a pro I don't see the point in doing this to yourself.but like ouf said to each their own I certainly won't knock anyone who isn't a pro who does it.
oufinny
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So the DMZ started to get overly toxic, sides were terrible starting this weekend and I dropped it yesterday. Literally feel like a new man today versus yesterday. I am going to be taking Epi at 45 mgs per day, 1x15 in the AM and 1x30 pre-workout. I added in SuperCissus and T-Force (fadogia) yesterday, the boys took a beating from the DMZ and I would like them back again hence the fadogia. We shall see how today's workout goes, looking forward to a crushfest on shoulders and traps!