russianstar
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Just so you know im watching....... silently.
Metroba tries out teh TestoPro's
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metroba
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My changes have been:
- Changing up calves every few weeks to a different style (regular, DC, Russian).
- How many times/week I train.
- How much I breath in between rest pause sets
- How long I wait in between regular sets
- Trying static stretches for a bunch of different exercises. Weird ones like laying leg curls, hammer curls, Db skullz, etc
I will prob keep doing this as I my strength keeps climbing the more I change little things up. As long as I dont change anything thats gonna keep me from moving forward that is.
- Changing up calves every few weeks to a different style (regular, DC, Russian).
- How many times/week I train.
- How much I breath in between rest pause sets
- How long I wait in between regular sets
- Trying static stretches for a bunch of different exercises. Weird ones like laying leg curls, hammer curls, Db skullz, etc
I will prob keep doing this as I my strength keeps climbing the more I change little things up. As long as I dont change anything thats gonna keep me from moving forward that is.
Irish Cannon
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How many breaths do you take between RP sets? - Call me weird, but 15 deep breaths is equivalent to the time I take between normal sets. I don't even like calling them RP sets. A RP set to me has always been a very short pause; maybe 10 seconds. 15 breaths isn't that short of a time-frame.
metroba
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Actually it was painless today. I will be moving up to 45s next time. My triceps have been progressing surprisingly fast. Good to see you posting in here man! :cheers:Thats a painful workout bro, that tri stretch must have been horrifyinguppy_dog_eyes:
yo yo bud!
metroba
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True. I agree. The time you take taking deep breaths are indeed equivalent to regular rest times. The difference to me is you are taking really deep breaths and relaxing for a moment...kinda like yoga. Then, hitting it hard again!
My times vary but for the most part it is 15-20 breaths, depending on how winded I got from the previous set. Sometimes, I go to 30 if I feel I need it, want it, or I am distracted by the Milf doing split squats in the corner.
MrKleen73
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What does DC say the reasoning behind the breathing is? Just curious, I know a few breathing methods from fighting and what not that may apply. Especially if it is a clearing breathe for being gassed.
Irish Cannon
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Deep breathing increases ATP which will increase your energy/strength levels for the next set. That's about all I can come up with.
MrKleen73
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Okay just checking, one thing is there is a huge difference between deep breathing for relaxation and deep breathing for Oxygen/ATP performance goals. I imagine you are breathing in slowly through your nose and exhaling a long breath through the mouth which would definitely take at least a minute or two to get to 15. However if you do the deep breathing with force, you replenish the oxygen very quickly and can easily do 15 deep breaths in 30 seconds or less. Your oxygen levels will soar as a result of that type of breathing. In fighting we do this in between rounds, as long as you exhale forcefully to expel as much Carbon Dioxide on your exhales as possible by exhaling fully you get a great exchange of oxygen. I imagine the idea is to get a super compensation of oxygen to clear lactic acid, and replenish ATP. Free divers also do this before diving to get extra concentration of oxygen in their system before going under which is why they are able to function holding thier breath for so long.
Another breathing technique that may be helpful is a "clearing breath" right after the work set then 10-15 deep breaths. The clearing breath is to clear out the CO2 which often does not get cleared in typical "heavy breathing" Since the CO2 is still occupying the space in your lungs you are not able to take in as much oxygen even at a quick breathing rate. A clearing breath is simply exhaling as forcefully and as much as you possibly can then returning to controlled deep/diaghram breathing further invigorating your body with mass quantities of oxygen.
If not already breathing that way give it a shot and see if it feels any different, and let us know. Unfortunately since I don't already have experience with the program I can't test it on my own to tell you the difference.
Irish Cannon
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I do the forced exhale, but probably not as forceful as I should. Thanks for the tip, Kleen!
MrKleen73
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Cool I think you will like that, when I am gassed out from rolling that is my first breath as soon as i can control it. Make sure to exhale so hard your damn near wheezing, that way you know you have expelled all of the CO2 from your bronchial sacks. You will be tempted to immediately gasp for air after that breathe but don't gasp, keep control of it.
metroba
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Do you do this for every r/p set? or just the last or first?
MrKleen73
Legend
How do you perform the tricep stretch with weight?
metroba
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Here is a pic of it. I dont use straps on it tho
Irish Cannon
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I always did it with both arms at once. I'd grab an 80 or something and just bring it to the bottom like that
GMG760
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Really met, you don't use straps for your stretches? I can get SOOO much deeper with wraps.
The DC standard for breaths taken is 12 deep breaths. It should be about 30 seconds give or take a few seconds. That is much shorter than my typical rest period of maybe 1 minute - 1 minute 30 seconds when I am training volume.
Taking too many breaths I would think would take away from the point of DC training.
The DC standard for breaths taken is 12 deep breaths. It should be about 30 seconds give or take a few seconds. That is much shorter than my typical rest period of maybe 1 minute - 1 minute 30 seconds when I am training volume.
Taking too many breaths I would think would take away from the point of DC training.
MrKleen73
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Well I haven't done DC but I would try it during any pause where you are supposed to be doing the deep breathing. We do it for fighting because rolling is extremely anaerobic in nature. Lost of Lactic Acid build up and lots of CO2 build up. Getting gassed comes along with it. The clearing breathe simply makes all of the following breathes more efficient at supplying oxygen creating a higher MaxVo2. I would definitely do it with the major lifts, not sure if there is much need for it in smaller lifts. Unless of course you are kind of holding your breathe when you are lifting then I would do it anyway.
I do about 5 big deep breathes before every set I do though. I have always done that. I didn't understand the science behind it before but 3-5 fast big deep breaths before every set just kind of got engrained in me for some reason.
metroba
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I only dont use straps for the tricep stretch. No need. My shoulder can only handle so much weight. And my grip has no problem holding onto 40lbs for 60-90 seconds. Other stretches, hell yes I use straps. As for the breathing, I agree. I dont do DC to the T and I know this. I am doing what I have learned to work best for me. 12-15 deep breaths only wasnt doing much for me. I wasn't excelling the way I am now. I am now like 7 lbs heavier (I think) from when I started DC. So I think I have a good handle on it. We all have to figure out what's best for us. Im learning to listen to my body more and more and it's making working out more fun and interesting.
I am very intrigued with this. I will for sure be trying it out next session.
VolcomX311
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Hey, Met, after all this DC talk, I started doing my own modified DC today.
Flat Bench 275lbs, 10, 5, 3
Incline Bench 225lbs, 6, 3, 3
Incline Bench Wide 185lbs x 8, 6, 5
Hammer Wide 320lbs, 8, 5, 3
Hammer Dips 230lbs, 8, 4, 4
Incline Machine 225lbs, 8, 4, 4
Flat Machine 180lbs, 8, 4, 3
15 breaths between rest-pause.
I know I was way off protocol, but I'm not really trying to go by the book anyway. Nonetheless, I felt like I had implants by the end of the workout from the pump, good gawd! Of course I had a workout partner to pull off the bench presses, but man, I loved the intensity.
Flat Bench 275lbs, 10, 5, 3
Incline Bench 225lbs, 6, 3, 3
Incline Bench Wide 185lbs x 8, 6, 5
Hammer Wide 320lbs, 8, 5, 3
Hammer Dips 230lbs, 8, 4, 4
Incline Machine 225lbs, 8, 4, 4
Flat Machine 180lbs, 8, 4, 3
15 breaths between rest-pause.
I know I was way off protocol, but I'm not really trying to go by the book anyway. Nonetheless, I felt like I had implants by the end of the workout from the pump, good gawd! Of course I had a workout partner to pull off the bench presses, but man, I loved the intensity.
VolcomX311
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For the sheer sake of a new kind of intensity & muscle shock, yes. I was on the higher extreme of volume based training for awhile and I always do the pendulum swing to the opposite spectrum at some point.
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Anybody wanna toss up a bottle for the lil lady?
If she really wants to run this let me know and I will see if I can get another tester bottle.
MrKleen73
Legend
If she really wants to run this let me know and I will see if I can get another tester bottle.
It is definitely a serious request. I PM'd you. She is a pretty serious lifter, can put up 85 lbs for 12 reps now on bench, 35's for 8 on db bench, squatting 125x12, bent over rows I think she hits 85x12 too. Would have to verify. Crazy girl curls with 25 lb dumbells for 10 reps too. She does all of that at being a petite, 5'4" and 115ish. Test showed her about 25NGL lower than the low range for women so an increase would be great. Obviously that issues with her drive so she is very frustrated with it.
MrKleen73
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I do understand and appreciate your concern. However the risk of androgenic side effects is one she is more than willing to take. We would be watching for negative androgenic side effects and could simply discontinue use. She has decided to take one anyway, she is adamant about it. Child birth and or menstration cycles are not a concern as neither of these things are possible for her any longer.
We have tried just about everything else. But Alas, Her low testosterone is effecting her quality of life. Many other women are going to want to try this product as well. It is still a much safer solution than AAS. Might as well have a road map of how it reacts in a womans body. I have trained several women running test boosters that have normal levels to start with without having negative side effects. So if this could even move her into a high normal range for a woman that would be ideal for her. I definitely understand and appreciate the warning but I have researched this with her quite a bit and we were already getting ready to make the jump to see if this would help.
MrKleen73
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Thank you for the feedback.
She is 18 or above so it is up to her.(she is of age right
If you want share some of yours with her
Fair enough, and as a business owner I truly understand your stance. It is not widely accepted practice and may not be something you would want to advocate as a business owner who could be held liable by less scrupilous people. I respect your stance and am enjoying the product so far.
Yet your second suggestion. HMMMMM.... I had already thought of it but didn't want to burn any bridges by doing that. As much as I am enjoying the product I may let her have a go at it, or get her some bulk Testofen and Divinal, without the estrogen modulator.
Oh yeah. She is over 18... I know I live in south but not in the stix. LOL
Irish Cannon
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From my personal opinion, get her some TestoPro! - Rosie uses test boosters all the time, as well as AI's, and she's anything but manly. - I've also gotten past girlfriends to try similar things and I've never once seen anything but good come from it. - Just have her lower the dosage. 1-2 caps/day.
:toofunny:
Being from Chicago but currently living in the South, I can relate to this. :lol: - Man, I can't wait to move back up North.
alwaysgaining
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......,......... dam!!!! look at her tris!! that my kinda woman!
bigmoe65
Banned
But is she your sister?:wink1:
Inarius
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must.... not.... whack it... before the gym.....
MrKleen73
Legend
LOL, I am in the south, not Louisiana specifically. Where is Thibideuax and Boudreuax anyyway? Oh de' out back in da swamp wrasslin a gator.