KLEEN gets Lean with Fat Free! An App-Nut Sponsored Log

[MrKleen73]

Okay so this workout lasted about 2 days. I know I got a good chest and triceps workout yesterday, and I got a good back and biceps in today but when I was done I just did not feel done. Like today my back and biceps were fried but other than that I did not feel taxed at all. I felt like minimal energy was expended during the sessions compared to my full body or push w/ quads, pull w/ hammies workouts. So I decided to recreate one of my old push w/ quad, and pulls w/ hamstrings workouts.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This program goes in a rotation every other week each group gets worked 2 times. Every other push or pull workout will alternate between higher reps / lighter weight, and heavier weight / lower reps.


Lifting days will be Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday with an additional day for shoulder and arms on Sunday.

Low Rep Main exercise 4x8-10 w/ 1 drop set, Isolation exercise as many reps as you can get in 1 minute using a weight you can lift for 10 reps.

Push Group A-
Chest - Flat BB Bench, Cable Cross Over
Shoulders - Standing Military Press, DB Lateral Raise
Triceps - Close Grip Bench, Skull Crusher
Quads - Squats, Leg Extensions


Pull Group A
Width - Chins, Wide Grip Lat Pull
Thickness - Bent Over BB Rows Overhand Grip
Biceps - Oly Bar Curls, PinWheels
Hamstring / Lower Back - Dead Lifts, Seated Leg Curl


High rep 3x12-15 on main lift, Isolation exercise as many reps as you can get in 1 minute using a weight you can lift for 15 reps.

Push Group B-
Chest - Incline BB Bench, Straight Arm Pec Deck
Shoulders - Standing Scott Press, DB Front Raise
Triceps - Dips, DB OH Triceps Ext
Quads - Leg Press or Hack Squats, Leg Extensions

Pull Group B-

Width - Wide Grip Lat Pull, Straight Arm Lat Pull down
Thickness - Dorian Rows, DB Incline Shoulder Shrug
Biceps - EZ Bar Curl, Preacher Curl
Hamstrings - Lying Leg Curl,


Rotation, Tuesday=Push A, Thursday=Pull A, Saturday=Push B, Tuesday=Pull B, Thurs=Push A, Saturday=Pull A, Tuesday=Push B, Thurs=Push B… Sundays will all be Shoulder and Arm Workouts to catch them up.

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The Sunday workout will look more like this.

HS SHoulder Press, or Smith Shoulder Press Partials x3
front raise x3
reverse flies x2
lateral raise machine = HST-7 Sets

Oly Bar Curls x3
DB Hammer Curl x2
DB Incline Curl = HST-7 Sets

Dips x3
Rope Ext x2
Cable OH Triceps ext = HST-7 Sets


Nutrition-
Here is what my nutrition looked like yesterday. Once again just a tiny bit low but I planned it that way since adding in the extra day. With the new program I will have much less to change as far as nutrition goes. I already have a big carb meal on Sunday with our Sunday Family Brunch so I will go to the gym early knock the workout out then come home and fill up on waffles, eggs and turkey bacon as well as some protein powder to get the protein up high enough. That keeps me with the same 3 cardio days a week and gives Sunday Brunch a place to go other than my waist line. So it is a win win situation.

3/26/12 Protein Fat Carbs
Totals 310.075 68.2 218.125
Calories 1240.3 613.8 872.5 Total Cals - 2726.6

^^^...Going to be interesting seeing how the change in training affects things (if it does), Chris.

~Rosie~

Honestly from what I can tell I would have had to drop my calories more to adjust to the much lower energy expenditure level. As you can see I rolled it right back to something I know will work for me and make a few changes from there. I am really expecting to see some great progress with this current set up.

any weight changes/ BF% change?

Somebody isn't reading are they... :28: I am sooooo hurt. LOL
I started at 208 and am down to 204, bodyfat and update pictures will come this weekend.

Currently bro! Seriously though my abs are more like flabs right now

We are all busting that arse to get lean, well except for Rick...

 

[TurningGreen]

Fn Rick what a monster. Definitely inspirational. Turned they key on the Warrior Workout (Kleen Machine) hoping to start this LOG up on the 2nd if everything comes in.

 

[MrKleen73]

Nice that should be money, make sure to link me up in here.

 

[TurningGreen]

Nice that should be money, make sure to link me up in here.

Will do

 

[Rosie Chee]

Honestly from what I can tell I would have had to drop my calories more to adjust to the much lower energy expenditure level. As you can see I rolled it right back to something I know will work for me and make a few changes from there. I am really expecting to see some great progress with this current set up.

Well, you do what will work for YOU (and I know YOU will). When you KNOW it works for you, then it's great. Those small changes and adjustments here and there can make the difference for certain

~Rosie~

 

[JudoJosh]

SOOOOOOO LATE!!!! But I am here Kleenster!!!

Going to go back and try to catch up with what I missed so far

 

[OrganicShadow]

Sucks to feel like a fat ass with the shirt off.

I justify it by reminding myself I know how to cut down when time comes and it seems less dismal. I dont look too bad bulky, but its not quite the eye candy I want for a shirtless summer. Then when I get lean and shredded I start missing being big. Sigh, I can never be satisfied... GOOD!

 

[TurningGreen]

I justify it by reminding myself I know how to cut down when time comes and it seems less dismal. I dont look too bad bulky, but its not quite the eye candy I want for a shirtless summer. Then when I get lean and shredded I start missing being big. Sigh, I can never be satisfied... GOOD!

That's our kind bro, never satisfied lol that's what keeps us going though. The good thing is we have the knowledge.

 

[Geoforce]

Looking forward to the update pictures. Fat Free is at an insanely low price right now, just might have to jump on some.

 

[OrganicShadow]

That's our kind bro, never satisfied lol that's what keeps us going though. The good thing is we have the knowledge.

Two things this sport has taught me: 1) Never be contempt 2) Learn to love the growing process as much as the end product

Love the workout plans Kleen! Im taking notes to my own

 

[JudoJosh]

Looking forward to the update pictures. Fat Free is at an insanely low price right now, just might have to jump on some.

YES IT IS!! Currently $19.99! at NP!

 

[morry]

Rick's lazy as hell!!!

Nice setup Kleen. I'm still following, just been too short on time and only enough time to log here and there. I'm caught up here tho.

Always love a Kleen log.

 

[RickRock13]

Rick's lazy as hell!!!

Nice setup Kleen. I'm still following, just been too short on time and only enough time to log here and there. I'm caught up here tho.

Always love a Kleen log.

Have you been talking with my wife Morry? That's what SHE says!!

 

[DreamWeaver]

Have you been talking with my wife Morry? That's what SHE says!!

Mine too... I am hellfire in the gym though

 

[MrKleen73]

Well, you do what will work for YOU (and I know YOU will). When you KNOW it works for you, then it's great. Those small changes and adjustments here and there can make the difference for certain

~Rosie~

Thanks Rosie, it is just as much about enjoyment as it is effects for me. I don't have to go heavy all the time. I love to go heavier some times but I need more of a full body stimulation. Something that makes a major impact on my metabolism and or my pushes anaerobic capacity. The push pull workouts I have right now involve enough of my whole body to give me the stimulation while allowing me to workout the muscles with a moderate frequency. Although if time permits I may change the isolation moves to a 2 minute max rep set. Will start with 1 first though.

SOOOOOOO LATE!!!! But I am here Kleenster!!!

Going to go back and try to catch up with what I missed so far

I justify it by reminding myself I know how to cut down when time comes and it seems less dismal. I dont look too bad bulky, but its not quite the eye candy I want for a shirtless summer. Then when I get lean and shredded I start missing being big. Sigh, I can never be satisfied... GOOD!

That's cool, I hold a lot of fat under my pecs so I don't look that good when bulky. At least to me, makes me nuts.

That's our kind bro, never satisfied lol that's what keeps us going though. The good thing is we have the knowledge.

Amen to that!

Looking forward to the update pictures. Fat Free is at an insanely low price right now, just might have to jump on some.

I feel like I look leaner but I am not getting on the scale until Saturday. I could also be rebounding some muscle from my lay off while sick and the last 2 weeks that I have been weak in the gym from my lungs not being fully recovered. I definitely feel like I am making some improvement. Diet has been going well. I feel like the Fat Free is getting stronger too. Not sure it that makes any sense but it seems to be working better, providing more energy.

Two things this sport has taught me: 1) Never be content 2) Learn to love the growing process as much as the end product

Love the workout plans Kleen! Im taking notes to my own

Thanks Brother! Those two are correct for sure. Honestly the pursuit or preparation for the goal is the reason we set goals no? Once we achieve them we simply look for something else to pursue.

YES IT IS!! Currently $19.99! at NP!

Nice sale!

Rick's lazy as hell!!!

Nice setup Kleen. I'm still following, just been too short on time and only enough time to log here and there. I'm caught up here tho.

Always love a Kleen log.

Just trying to keep up with yours Morry.

Have you been talking with my wife Morry? That's what SHE says!!

Haha, she put that as her Facebook Status Bro...

Mine too... I am hellfire in the gym though

Sounds familiar...

 

[Onlychevy6]

Man you just know how to turn up the heat when needed. Can't wait to see what these results will bring for you.

 

[sae2110]

Awesome setup, good thoughts and philosophizing (is that a word? Sheesh), taking notes for sure.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Chris it's you that got me started on full body, I was pretty old school before that. I believe that training style has given a new life to my efforts. I can use less weight and save my joints and still get decent growth using progression. I don't have to use crazy volume any more to get results these are very time saving high intensity routines. I have always preferred intensity over volume....at some point a higher volume routine always seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[MrKleen73]

This mornings lift:

Bench - 185x10, 235x10, 235x8, 225x7 - Frustrating I am still a little week from being sick but I am getting better. Of course me being on a deficit is going to effect my strength a little right now too.

Straight Arm Pec Deck 180x23 in 60 seconds

Standing Military Press - 115x10, 135x10, 145x8, 135x9
Lateral Raise Machine 90x24 in 60 seconds

Dips - BWx12, +45x10 for 3 sets - These should have been done on the next lift and close grip bench here. However I left my log book at home and just improvised a little.
Cable Overhead triceps ext - 120x15 in about 30 seconds. I just didn't have a good way to stop and start again. Poor planning on my part.

Squats 135x12, 225x10, 255x10, 265x10 - Will be able to go up pretty easily here now that breathing is getting a little better.

Strength is recovering slowly. I feel like I am filling up from bouncing back from those 2 weeks, and maybe leaning up at the same time which is nice and plays tricks with your head all at the same time.

Nutrition-
3/27/12 Protein Fat Carbs
Totals 297.4 54.9 262
Calories 1189.6 494.1 1048 Total 2731.7

3/28/2012 Protein Fat Carbs
Totals 268 53.5 48
Calories 1072 481.5 192 Total1745.5

Man you just know how to turn up the heat when needed. Can't wait to see what these results will bring for you.

Thanks and they will bring AWESOMENESS!

Awesome setup, good thoughts and philosophizing (is that a word? Sheesh), taking notes for sure.

Thanks!

Chris it's you that got me started on full body, I was pretty old school before that. I believe that training style has given a new life to my efforts. I can use less weight and save my joints and still get decent growth using progression. I don't have to use crazy volume any more to get results these are very time saving high intensity routines. I have always preferred intensity over volume....at some point a higher volume routine always seems like a waste of time to me.

Amen, I prefer them and feel exactly the same way. Every once in a while I like to toss a crazy split in there but prefer my lifts more total.

 

[TurningGreen]

Looking good bro! 550XD LOG starts Monday I'll hit you with the link if you're interested...be gladl to have you along for the ride!!

 

[ScottyDoc]

I will be extremely disappointed if Master Kleen does not make an appearance in you LOG!!!

 

[TurningGreen]

I will be extremely disappointed if Master Kleen does not make an appearance in you LOG!!!

That's one hell of a title...MASTER KLEEN

 

[morry]

That's one hell of a title...MASTER KLEEN

Mister Master Kleen.

 

[RickRock13]

Mister Master Kleen.

Mister Jedi Master Kleen

 

[jaycuda]

Late but I'm following now. I really like how you print out your work outs and fill in the info, I'm probably going to copy you. Ever consider adding a section for your macros as well?
Your back in your profile picture is f***ing shredded lol

 

[DreamWeaver]

Here's my new log ...

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[Jbrooks]

HI Kleen

Do you have your training log (well a blank one) in a format you could send it to me ? I havent done full body and wanted to give it a try and looks like you have it laid out nicely

Cheers !

 

[TurningGreen]

Here we go brotha Kleen...hope to see you in the thread!!
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[ScottyDoc]

Jedi Master Kleen... open invitation to be one of our IGNITE-2 Loggers, I don't care if you just throw in the info and your thoughts into your current Log and do a good final review at the end, you know I trust you and your details are always exactly what we and everyone else wants to see and read about, so full reign to just do your thing with a FREE jug of your choice of flavor... IGNITE-2???

 

[TurningGreen]

Jedi Master Kleen... open invitation to be one of our IGNITE-2 Loggers, I don't care if you just throw in the info and your thoughts into your current Log and do a good final review at the end, you know I trust you and your details are always exactly what we and everyone else wants to see and read about, so full reign to just do your thing with a FREE jug of your choice of flavor... IGNITE-2???

Awesome opportunity bro DO IT!!!

 

[jaycuda]

Agreed, Kleen needs to jump on that Ignite 2 opportunity! Get Berry Blast and let me know how it tastes lol

 

[MrKleen73]

Okay guys, it has hjust been a very busy time for me this past week and I apologize for not updating more. I have really been enjoying the Fat Free and I feel it gets better with time in some ways. I have my pics I took this past weekend I just never got time to put them up so here they are. Totals right now are 3 lbs lost at 2 weeks, although in my pictures and the way I fill my shirts out I am building a little muscle back from my mini lay off. My waist line is thinner and my arms, shoulders and area under my chest has come up a bit making for a tighter and fuller look to me. I am not complaining at all. So far the results have been good and my appetite is being controlled quite well now. As a matter of fact I think I ill have to restate my opinion and say that the appetite suppression is quite good and long lasting now. I have a short dip here and there sometimes within 30 minutes after taking it then a few minutes later, bam I am good to go for hours again.

Like I said earlier 2 weeks and a solid 3 lbs lost, and I am looking leaner and tighter with increased vascularity so all signs of just the results I expected from Fat Free.

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Here are my last 2 workouts, cardio and macros have been pretty much the same but I did have 2 extra build days so I ended up getting in a decent amount more calories this week.

Exercise x8-10 reps 3-31-12	Set 1
Chins	LPD 165x10		BW x10		+25 x10		+25 x6
Wide Grip Pull Downs	170x24		1 minute max reps
Wide Grip Machine Rows	145x10		160x10		165x10		175x10
Cybex Shrugs	3 plates per side x48		1 minute max reps
Oly Bar Curls	85x10		95x10		105x9		0 cut out to save time
Preacher Curls	95x16		1 minute max reps
Dead Lifts	225x10		315x10		365x10		365x5
Seated Leg Curls	0 machines were full and we were out of time.		1 minute max reps

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Exercise 4-1-12	Set 1
Smith Shoulder Press Partials or HS Shoulder Press	105x18		195x11		195x7
DB Front Raise	35x10		35x10		35x7
Reverse Pec Deck	110x10		120x10		Last rep very hard!
Lateral Raise Machine FST-7	75x12		87.5x12		87.5x12		87.5x12
	87.5x8		75x12		75x9		Crazy Delt Pump!
Olympic Bar Curls	95x10		95x10		95x8		Superset w/ HS Dips
Pinwheel Curls	40x10		40x8		Superset w/ Rope Ext
Scott Cable Curl HST-7	50x10		50x7		45x10		45x7
	40x10		40x9		40x8		Superset w/ Cable OH Triceps Ext
HS Dips	2 plates per side x10		2+25 plates per side x10		2+25 plates per side x10
Rope Triceps Ext	70x10		70x7
Cable OH Triceps Ext FST-7	70x10		70x10		70x10		70x10
	70x8		60x10		60x9		Massive Arm Pump!!!

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Exercise x12-15 reps 4-3-12	Set 1
Incline BB Bench	135x15		185x15		180x12
Straight Arm Pec Deck	135x21		1 minute max reps
Standing Scott Press	42.5x15		37.5x10		32.5x11
Alternating DB Front Raise	25x13		1 minute max reps
Dips	BW+25x15		BW+25x15		BW+25x14
Rope Triceps Ext	60x14		1 minute max reps		Was the one that is always harder. Can do 120 on the other one.
Leg Press or Hack Squats	4 plates per side x15		6 plates per side x15		7 Plates Per side x15		8 plates per side x15
Leg Extension	155x19		1 minute max reps		Holy Crap quads were pumped!!!

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So you can see I have been hard at work.

 

[MrKleen73]

Looking good bro! 550XD LOG starts Monday I'll hit you with the link if you're interested...be gladl to have you along for the ride!!

I will be extremely disappointed if Master Kleen does not make an appearance in you LOG!!!

Of course I will be there.

That's one hell of a title...MASTER KLEEN

Yup!

Mister Master Kleen.

LOL

Mister Jedi Master Kleen

Alright loving the progression there guys!

Late but I'm following now. I really like how you print out your work outs and fill in the info, I'm probably going to copy you. Ever consider adding a section for your macros as well?
Your back in your profile picture is f***ing shredded lol

Thanks, yeah I plan on gettling lean but don't know about that far. I put my macros in many of my posts. I do have a spreadsheet with my usual mels already added up so I can just pick them and add them in or fill in the blanks at the end of the day easily.

Here's my new log ...

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HI Kleen

Do you have your training log (well a blank one) in a format you could send it to me ? I havent done full body and wanted to give it a try and looks like you have it laid out nicely

Cheers !

PM me your email addy I will shoot you the spreadsheet I made.

Here we go brotha Kleen...hope to see you in the thread!!
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There!

Jedi Master Kleen... open invitation to be one of our IGNITE-2 Loggers, I don't care if you just throw in the info and your thoughts into your current Log and do a good final review at the end, you know I trust you and your details are always exactly what we and everyone else wants to see and read about, so full reign to just do your thing with a FREE jug of your choice of flavor... IGNITE-2???

Watermelon, MMMMM I am excited to try that stuff out for sure. Thanks Al!

Awesome opportunity bro DO IT!!!

Just did!

Agreed, Kleen needs to jump on that Ignite 2 opportunity! Get Berry Blast and let me know how it tastes lol

Nah I am not huge on a lot of berry flavors but ironically I love berries.

 

[OrganicShadow]

I ant hat spreadsheet too! PM sent

 

[Rosie Chee]

MY appetite needs to be CONTROLLED! ARGH!

~Rosie~

 

[R1balla]

MY appetite needs to be CONTROLLED! ARGH!

~Rosie~

not pimping fat free but all the logs i have seen seem to be that it controls hunger really well. not what i like in a fat burner, but other do

 

[oufinny]

Controls appetite you say... I could use some of that! Curious how this compares to real ECA, I am taking it now and love it. Amazing appetite suppression which considering what I am taking is saying a lot.

 

[Rosie Chee]

not pimping fat free but all the logs i have seen seem to be that it controls hunger really well. not what i like in a fat burner, but other do

Hmmm...You know me. Literally NOTHING has ever controlled MY appetite, and the two products that did worked for ~ 2 weeks before it returned to the bottomless pit.

~Rosie~

 

[morry]

Hmmm...You know me. Literally NOTHING has ever controlled MY appetite, and the two products that did worked for ~ 2 weeks before it returned to the bottomless pit.

~Rosie~

Meth??
Never say "nothing"!

:lol:

 

[DreamWeaver]

Hmmm...You know me. Literally NOTHING has ever controlled MY appetite, and the two products that did worked for ~ 2 weeks before it returned to the bottomless pit.

~Rosie~

Burn days are harder for me I find myself approaching more of a manitenance calorie level... gets better when I focus more on diet of course.

 

[flightposite]

very detailed Kleen.

im likin fat free for focus and energy at work.

 

[ScottyDoc]

Meth??
Never say "nothing"!

:lol:

I think she meant and keep all her teeth you Homo-Face Crack-Head!

 

[DreamWeaver]

I think she meant and keep all her teeth you Homo-Face Crack-Head!

Well she didn't say ...

 

[TurningGreen]

WTF Homo-Face Crack-Head that's just really funny to me for some reason. More so than it probably should be.

 

[MrKleen73]

Treadmill interval setting 45 minutes including cool down - 469 cals
Draw Bridges 3 sets of 10
Crunches - 3 sets of 50

I ant hat spreadsheet too! PM sent

K

MY appetite needs to be CONTROLLED! ARGH!

~Rosie~

Haha, or you can just eat. You work so hard can't be any calories being left behind. LOL

not pimping fat free but all the logs i have seen seem to be that it controls hunger really well. not what i like in a fat burner, but other do

It definitely does but it also has a couple dips where you get REALLY hungry for a few minutes then it goes away. Once you learn the pattern you just roll your eyes at the hunger pangs knowing they will be very short lived then you won't think about food again for a while.

Controls appetite you say... I could use some of that! Curious how this compares to real ECA, I am taking it now and love it. Amazing appetite suppression which considering what I am taking is saying a lot.

You know, as far as effectiveness of burning fat I don't know which would be better. However, I have never enjoyed the way Ephedra suppressed my appetite. That type of suppression for me is the kind that makes my stomach tight and the actual act of eating a chore because of it. With Fat Free, I can eat when I want without any issue or effect on food enjoyment, it just gives me a leg up by not actually being hungry.

Hmmm...You know me. Literally NOTHING has ever controlled MY appetite, and the two products that did worked for ~ 2 weeks before it returned to the bottomless pit.

~Rosie~

Yes but you stay looking good from all of that hard work. I wish I could eat more calories but I have to be careful with my levels.

Burn days are harder for me I find myself approaching more of a manitenance calorie level... gets better when I focus more on diet of course.

Yeah you have to be careful about that if you want to lose the weight. I am actually contemplating using 1800 as my high end on burn days but allow as low as 900 if I feel like it. That should balance out a bit with the extra build day I have now.

very detailed Kleen.

im likin fat free for focus and energy at work.

Thanks! Yeah it is a nice source of focus and energy.

I think she meant and keep all her teeth you Homo-Face Crack-Head!

Oh well she should definitely keep her teeth, kind of important to being a fitness model from what I understand...

WTF Homo-Face Crack-Head that's just really funny to me for some reason. More so than it probably should be.

Sooner or later don't all male crack heads end up homo-faced? What would you do-oo-ooo for this crack rock pipe? Klondike has nothing on a crack pipe when it comes to what they will do for it.

 

[sae2110]

Off topic, well maybe not: i once had a patient, homeless dude about 50ish in age, obvious drug user, had chlamydia in his mouth/throat (oropharynx) so bad, with so much pus coming out, we had to intubate him. Now THAT is a homo-face-crackhead. And a poor bastard.

On topic, I've never heard of a tight feeling jn the stomach from ephedra, but it makes sense. I like the idea of a fat burner that would let you keep eating but burn it all off haha

 

[MrKleen73]

Off topic, well maybe not: i once had a patient, homeless dude about 50ish in age, obvious drug user, had chlamydia in his mouth/throat (oropharynx) so bad, with so much pus coming out, we had to intubate him. Now THAT is a homo-face-crackhead. And a poor bastard.

On topic, I've never heard of a tight feeling jn the stomach from ephedra, but it makes sense. I like the idea of a fat burner that would let you keep eating but burn it all off haha

First off thanks for sharing! NOT! Totally grossed out. LOL

So when you intubated him did you tell him it was ironic if he had kept the tubes out of his mouth in the first place he wouldn't be in that situation??? :yikes::yikes::yikes:

Well tight might not be the word you would use to explain it, but yeah, like the stomach and esophagus were semi contracted, you know when you are chewing and you feel like if you swallow you may not get it down or it may come back up. You just dread attempting it and end up chewing the food too long... For me eating was never a positive experience when using Ephedra.

 

[sae2110]

First off thanks for sharing! NOT! Totally grossed out. LOL

So when you intubated him did you tell him it was ironic if he had kept the tubes out of his mouth in the first place he wouldn't be in that situation??? :yikes::yikes::yikes:

Well tight might not be the word you would use to explain it, but yeah, like the stomach and esophagus were semi contracted, you know when you are chewing and you feel like if you swallow you may not get it down or it may come back up. You just dread attempting it and end up chewing the food too long... For me eating was never a positive experience when using Ephedra.

Yep we gave him all kinds of grief, he tried to tell us it was a cold sore:laughing: Thought I'd share that, seemed to work as an appetite suppressant for my co-workers lol. Yep now I know I don't want to try ephedra, sounds like way to much smooth muscle stimulation, where the Fat Free has theobromine, which is a smooth muscle relaxant; heck they use it to treat asthma! Speaking of that, do you notice an easier time breathing? Out of curiosity....

 

[Rosie Chee]

Meth??
Never say "nothing"!

:lol:

Nothing I have USED [that claims thus] - there are many things I will NOT use, for obvious reasons, David

Burn days are harder for me I find myself approaching more of a manitenance calorie level... gets better when I focus more on diet of course.

I hear you, Doug. Our bodies change as we get older, and I went through one at ~26, and find it going through another about now, so the way it responds to some things changes as well, and some things become more important, as others do not. It's all about working WITH it.

~Rosie~

 

[MrKleen73]

Honestly I am not the one to ask there. I had a bad bout of bronchitis and had to be put on steroids for my lungs the week before starting this so my lungs have been improving the whole time just from being messed up. It is the reason I had to change my workout form the fast paced 30 seconds rest one I was doing before this.

Yeah if being comfortable is one of your requirements for a diet pill then Ephedra may not be for you. It is very effective but in my experience not the most pleasant diet pill to be on. Now ephedra is actually great for the lungs though, it is a bronchio dilator.