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iForce Nutrition - Tropinol - THE CHAMP IS HERE!(free bottles inside!)

Very cool product and best of luck with it ;)

That said: this surew is a MIGHTY claim! :)

2. The key ingredient in Tropinol, Bulbine Natalensis(ProLensis TM) was shown to outperform the most commonly prescribed libido/erection enhancer "Viagra" in a head to head battle! Look at the results below.
 
VaughnTrue said:
What is phytoserms-347?

Post the ingredients
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Can't find the ingredients anywhere, but its a needtobuildmuscle supp that's coming out for test boosting I believe.

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Can't find the actual ingredients profile anywhere yet though but it is a bulbine natalensis product which is why he asked how it would compare.
 
tbarrows said:
Can't find the ingredients anywhere, but its a needtobuildmuscle supp that's coming out for test boosting I believe.

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Can't find the actual ingredients profile anywhere yet though but it is a bulbine natalensis product which is why he asked how it would compare.
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Right....both products look great.....BUT can anyone answer if it will actually raise test to supraphysiological levels or if it will only raise test 347% if your test is 200? not if your baseline is say 700? I guess what I am saying is how does this compound defeat the regular feedback mechanisms that stop endogenous test from rising above the normal physiological limit?

Mr.50
 
I saw you asking this to NTBM and confess to being underwhelmed by the response from the reps at the time.

I am not sure if anyone actually knows yet. The 347% is if you are a rat :)
 
Mr.50 said:
Right....both products look great.....BUT can anyone answer if it will actually raise test to supraphysiological levels or if it will only raise test 347% if your test is 200? not if your baseline is say 700? I guess what I am saying is how does this compound defeat the regular feedback mechanisms that stop endogenous test from rising above the normal physiological limit?

Mr.50
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That's a great question. My test levels have always been low "normal" as a result of being insulin resistant. This seems promising but I'm awaiting blood tests (non-sponsored) before I make a decision to purchase.
 
if someone has a test level of 200, this wont be able to make them have a 2000+ test level.

HOWEVER...just judging on some blood work posted by AR, he showed a 35 year old male who had finished 4 weeks of SD @ 30mg/day, and in 30 days his test level was 1350.


so yea...going from shutdown to 1350 in 30 days? wow.
 
VaughnTrue said:
if someone has a test level of 200, this wont be able to make them have a 2000+ test level.

HOWEVER...just judging on some blood work posted by AR, he showed a 35 year old male who had finished 4 weeks of SD @ 30mg/day, and in 30 days his test level was 1350.


so yea...going from shutdown to 1350 in 30 days? wow.
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And Vaughn was that with a top end of normal physiological level of 1100?

Mr.50
 
Count me in on the log. I'm 35 years old. I am 5'6" and weight 189 @ 12%bf. My diet is 4000 calories per day split 40/30/30. I would really like a chance to log this produce.
 
redbirdfan1 said:
if your levels get that high I don't see why or how you wouldn't need some sort of PCT
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your levels being high dont mean you need a PCT.


PCT is intended to bring someone back who has low(or nonexistent) levels, not someone who has very high levels.


To put it simply, PCT is needed after steroids/ph's due to the fact that they cause a shutdown of your natural production.

Tropinol does the exact opposite as it makes your body MAKE more...not provide it synthetically.

When coming off Tropinol, no PCT is required as your body will simply just return to its normal baseline, not dip further down.
 
Being 51 yrs of age I would jump at the chance to run this.
 
VaughnTrue said:
your levels being high dont mean you need a PCT.


PCT is intended to bring someone back who has low(or nonexistent) levels, not someone who has very high levels.


To put it simply, PCT is needed after steroids/ph's due to the fact that they cause a shutdown of your natural production.

Tropinol does the exact opposite as it makes your body MAKE more...not provide it synthetically.

When coming off Tropinol, no PCT is required as your body will simply just return to its normal baseline, not dip further down.
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interesting. I'm still trying to understand how test boosters work and most don't raise levels all that high to be concerned. Hopefully I can log this stuff. without totally screwing myself, I do plan on trying this stuff one way or another.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Here is 100% honesty


#1- it's unique - no one else does it. iForce prides itself on unique formulations, this one certainly is.
#2 - it works - a small amount of caffeine really does help the avg guy in the morning and pre-wo
#3 - samples - say hello to the first sampleable test booster.


I completely understand why some may not want it there, but
Again we're talking a very small dose, do not be alarmed
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Hi, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I'm still not getting this. Caffeine helps people get up in the morning, we know this, and we know that if given samples people would be able to "feel" it (only the caffeine, that is). So what is the point? none of these reasons contribute to the product's effectiveness... all this would do is prevent me from taking it late in the day. actually, it would probably prevent me from buying it altogether, since some (most) days I really do not want any caffeine at all...

.... how much caffeine is in this?
 
As I stated in the OP, there is as much caffeine in this as there is the avg soft drink.


It this prevents you from using the product...sorry. Production has started and our results have been stellar.
 
VaughnTrue said:
if someone has a test level of 200, this wont be able to make them have a 2000+ test level.

HOWEVER...just judging on some blood work posted by AR, he showed a 35 year old male who had finished 4 weeks of SD @ 30mg/day, and in 30 days his test level was 1350.


so yea...going from shutdown to 1350 in 30 days? wow.
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That would be impressive.....unfortunately AR usually has an agenda.
 
mw1 said:
That would be impressive.....unfortunately AR usually has an agenda.
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I attempted to pay AR for info on how to get the raws. He refused and instead helped me out by giving me a good contact.

The guy genuinely gets excited about herbals.
 
If this is going to raise free test levels I would be excited as I am at around 400 of total test and my doc wants me at around 800
 
This is really a hot topic! As a 39yr old guy I would love to be able to get my hands on a natural test booster of this nature at such a reasonable price...
 
I have been saying for years that the best thing that could happen to the supplement industry is to make all PH's illegal. I know this is not popular but this will force supplement companies to find safer alternatives. We are already starting to see this happen.
 
"We are already starting to see this happen"

What I've seen is many new product offerings being verified by broscience and not real world legimate feedback from unbiased users or every-day people or scientificly in a controlled lab fashion. I observe time and time again the "popular" or "selected" few being granted samples to run and provide their ultimate cycle log with pages and pages filled with the numbers (set/reps/weight) of the weights they lifted during workout sessions. How does this method of validation prove anything ?
Not intended as a bash just for thought ;)
 
scoooter said:
"We are already starting to see this happen"

What I've seen is many new product offerings being verified by broscience and not real world legimate feedback from unbiased users or every-day people or scientificly in a controlled lab fashion. I observe time and time again the "popular" or "selected" few being granted samples to run and provide their ultimate cycle log with pages and pages filled with the numbers (set/reps/weight) of the weights they lifted during workout sessions. How does this method of validation prove anything ?
Not intended as a bash just for thought ;)
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this is true. so many of the same people from various sites run log after log.

I firmly believe that a number of people across different age spectrum's should be picked and then have their levels checked prior to starting and then checked at the end of the trial. This is what I'm looking for when it comes to test boosters. Put your money where your mouth is when it comes to selecting loggers. I say this in general for any test booster. I'd love to see logs w/ work ups done more than exactly what so and so is lifting and how much.
 
"What I've seen is many new product offerings being verified by broscience and not real world legimate feedback from unbiased users or every-day people or scientificly in a controlled lab fashion. I observe time and time again the "popular" or "selected" few being granted samples to run and provide their ultimate cycle log with pages and pages filled with the numbers (set/reps/weight) of the weights they lifted during workout sessions. How does this method of validation prove anything ?
Not intended as a bash just for thought."

No offense taken, your point is well taken and I agree completely. But the proliferation of new, all natural test boosters, hitting the market is unprecedented. And although the science behind most these new products is pseudo-science, at least there is some basis for their formulation. DAA is a prime example. These companies want to stay in business, and given enough time they will find effective products. There will be some trial and error along the way. But the ones that really work will eventually rise to the top. The biggest problem is sorting through all the reps hype and bull. I try to find people who are unbiased in their evaluation and don't give a rip about their rep points. Find these people and follow their lead.
 
mw1 said:
That would be impressive.....unfortunately AR usually has an agenda.
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agreed Ar is not held in very high regards these days especially with those in the steroid circle I also heard he had a few lawsuits pending.Curious how I force and Ar met up.No hate here just curious how this came about.I'm still genuinely interested in this supplement and will watch how the results turn out.
 
NTBM formulated the main ingriedeint first i believe there product isnt out yet- i wait for theres unless iforce wants me to run one to see if they can get my cash first

PM ME :)
 
Don't believe theirs was "formulated first", this has been a long time in the making for us.


iForce and AR didn't meet up, I know AR personally so he and I discuss some ideas occasionally, but iForce + AR are not connected
 
VaughnTrue said:
Don't believe theirs was "formulated first", this has been a long time in the making for us.


iForce and AR didn't meet up, I know AR personally so he and I discuss some ideas occasionally, but iForce + AR are not connected
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cool just wondered I know you don't bring ****ty products to the game so I know this stuff will kick ass like usually.
 
heck id log it
 
Happier to get it from iForce, since it sounds like they've been testing it for quite some time, making sure it works and is safe and they have a good track record imo.

That said I have a bottle of triazole and 2 of erase so I'm gonna properly work my way though those before I give this a shot.
 
a lot of potential here Vaughn. I would be quite interested in giving this one a shot.
 
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