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How to "pulse" orals

This is the best thread, hands down, that I have come across thus far. I have used multiple PH supplements and recently tried some pulsing cycles. It just makes perfect sense. I wish to gain some lean mass. Currently I am 6', 210 lbs, and 10%bf (35 yrs old) with 15 years of training under my belt.

Here is my base plan:

Cycle M/W/F with SuperDrol

T/Th/Sat/Sun use DHEA (50 mg at 9am and 50 mg at 1 pm) and GAT Testrol (at 9pm)


SD cycle:

W1 20/20/20
W2 20/20/20
W3 30/30/30
W4 30/30/30
W5 40/40/40
W6 40/40/40
W7 - W10 PCT with Gasparis Nolvadex-xt


Now I have some old school 1 Test Stack from Sci-Fit that I can throw into the mix.

Is this worth using or would I be more beneficial sticking with the SD?

Thus a few questions:

1. Should I add in the 1 Test Stack or just keep it staight SD? If I should add 1TS, what dosages should I use? Should they be pre or post workout?
2. Should I alter my SD dosages to get better gains?
3. Is Testrol a good AI choice?
4. Would I get better results if I ran the AI throughout the whole cycle?


Please critique my stack. Thanks in advance!
 
jgasbo1 said:
This is the best thread, hands down, that I have come across thus far. I have used multiple PH supplements and recently tried some pulsing cycles. It just makes perfect sense. I wish to gain some lean mass. Currently I am 6', 210 lbs, and 10%bf (35 yrs old) with 15 years of training under my belt.

Here is my base plan:

Cycle M/W/F with SuperDrol

T/Th/Sat/Sun use DHEA (50 mg at 9am and 50 mg at 1 pm) and GAT Testrol (at 9pm)


SD cycle:

W1 20/20/20
W2 20/20/20
W3 30/30/30
W4 30/30/30
W5 40/40/40
W6 40/40/40
W7 - W10 PCT with Gasparis Nolvadex-xt


Now I have some old school 1 Test Stack from Sci-Fit that I can throw into the mix.

Is this worth using or would I be more beneficial sticking with the SD?

Thus a few questions:

1. Should I add in the 1 Test Stack or just keep it staight SD? If I should add 1TS, what dosages should I use? Should they be pre or post workout?
2. Should I alter my SD dosages to get better gains?
3. Is Testrol a good AI choice?
4. Would I get better results if I ran the AI throughout the whole cycle?


Please critique my stack. Thanks in advance!
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If you've had prior experience taking SD up to 40 mg, that's fine. I've had good luck with 20mg of p-plex + 10mg SD taken in a pulse. I've added 3-5 lbs. in 4 weeks with no real change in diet. I keep things to ~4 weeks to avoid any real need for pct. I've never used any AI or any other hormonal-based supplement while pulsing and I've never had any issues at all. If you've run pulse cycles before you know what works best for you in that regard.
If it were me, I would just run the SD. I might also think about keeping the dose at 30mg if that is working. I'm 290 lbs.+ right now and I probably wouldn't go above 30mg of SD, unless it just wasn't working at all. Again, if you've run it before and know you need higher doses, then do whatever you need to.
The key I've found is trying to avoid getting "greedy" and increasing the dose or length too much. Modest gains that are sustainable have worked well for me so far.
 
jgasbo1 said:
This is the best thread, hands down, that I have come across thus far. I have used multiple PH supplements and recently tried some pulsing cycles. It just makes perfect sense. I wish to gain some lean mass. Currently I am 6', 210 lbs, and 10%bf (35 yrs old) with 15 years of training under my belt.

Here is my base plan:

Cycle M/W/F with SuperDrol

T/Th/Sat/Sun use DHEA (50 mg at 9am and 50 mg at 1 pm) and GAT Testrol (at 9pm)


SD cycle:

W1 20/20/20
W2 20/20/20
W3 30/30/30
W4 30/30/30
W5 40/40/40
W6 40/40/40
W7 - W10 PCT with Gasparis Nolvadex-xt


Now I have some old school 1 Test Stack from Sci-Fit that I can throw into the mix.

Is this worth using or would I be more beneficial sticking with the SD?

Thus a few questions:

1. Should I add in the 1 Test Stack or just keep it staight SD? If I should add 1TS, what dosages should I use? Should they be pre or post workout?
2. Should I alter my SD dosages to get better gains?
3. Is Testrol a good AI choice?
4. Would I get better results if I ran the AI throughout the whole cycle?


Please critique my stack. Thanks in advance!
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I have never run Superdrol but have run several other Designers etc.

From everything I have read SD is very harsh and should be run no more than 3 weeks and definitely under 30 mgs. Your cycle looks like lots of trouble. Have you run SD before with bloodwork? Hope you know what you are doing?

If not....STOP! Do research!

Someone with SD experience please chime in!
 
jpcf said:
hey lucly can you post your dosing scheme ?? i am so interested in pulsing 1 t or 1 t tren, how did you feel after the pulse?
Thanks a lot
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I would simply pulse EOD. I do this for the reason not often talked about. It keeps my body on a mild cycle for twice as long giving me more time to grow and I feel better chances to keep gains rather than blowing up in 30 days and fighting to keep it. Makes sense IMO.
 
jpcf said:
i think it makes sense, Have you felt any shutdown that way??
did you use some kind of pct??
Thanks.
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Some shutdown for a week on EPi. Knowing what I know now I should have taken something on off days like DHEA~Dermacrine or Fenugreek/Maca combo etc. Always do PCT, just good common sense and insurance for your cycle and it's fun too....just look at it as part of the cycle....besides getting a raging libido is alway alot of fun!:food:
 
luclyluciano said:
I have never run Superdrol but have run several other Designers etc.

From everything I have read SD is very harsh and should be run no more than 3 weeks and definitely under 30 mgs. Your cycle looks like lots of trouble. Have you run SD before with bloodwork? Hope you know what you are doing?

If not....STOP! Do research!

Someone with SD experience please chime in!
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For a straight cycle 3 weeks is all you want to run. Pulsing allows for a longer run and a bit higher dosing. Lots of guys run SD for 5 or 6 weeks on a pulse. The fact that you're dosing only 3 as opposed to 7 days per week makes this possible to do while still avoiding the toxicity you normally encounter w/ such a compound on a straight cycle.

This is one of the foundations of pulsing. Avoiding/delaying shutdown as well as toxicity while running a compund for a longer than usually allowable time to facilitate slow but steady progress that you can keep.
 
I decided my next pulse will be 900mg of oral 4-ad (i.e. need to use up my stash of Ergopharm Select 300) three times per week for six weeks. I will dose 300mg approx. an hour pre-workout and the remaining 600mg immediately post-workout. Given that 4-ad has a half-life of approx. 4 hours, it should be a good choice for a pulse.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to dose a cap of AX Trisorbagen with my 4-ad? I'm not sure because, although it may help to improve absorption, it's also supposed to prolong the half-life of whatever you take it with, which on a pulse may not be the best idea.

On off days, I will be using 40mg of E-form (i.e. 1 spray AM, 1 spray PM) and AX Retain for cortisol control.
 
well, 4ad is precursor to test, and test is evenly androgenic + anabolic, so i'd rather take the larger dose pre to get more androgenic response during the workout.
 
EasyEJL said:
well, 4ad is precursor to test, and test is evenly androgenic + anabolic, so i'd rather take the larger dose pre to get more androgenic response during the workout.
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Thanks Easy, that makes a lot of sense. Any opinion on taking Trisorbagen with my 4-ad?
 
The past few cycles that I have run have been pretty consistent with the following:

M/W/F Training days with Superdrol as listed below
T/TH/Sat/Sun DHEA (50mg at 9am and 50mg at 1 pm) and an AI (1 serving at 9pm)

Superdrol pulse (as listed in the first few pages of this thread)

W1 20/20/20
W2 20/20/20
W3 30/30/30
W4 30/30/30
W5 40/40/40
w6 40/40/40
W7 - W10 PCT w/ Gasparis Novaldex-xt

After the 10 week cycle, I am usually up 8 pounds and my strength is through the roof. However, I cant retain my gains (maybe 2 pounds) after a few months pass. I don't know what I am doing wrong? I do know that the pulsing was a better approach than a straight cycle of SD. But, why cant I retain more gains? My diet stays consistent and my training stays consistent. Can someone here inform me in what I am doing wrong? The more I read here, the more I get confused.
 
Something I do a little differently than some to keep gains from a pulse is this. After a standard pulse with usually epi, I go ahead and do a normal PCT as if I had just finished a straight cycle.

There's some debate as to whether that's necessary but it's worked really well for me as far as keeping the majority of what I've gained longer term.

Considering how inexpensive PCT ancillaries usually run you, I can't see a downside to going the extra miles this way. has anyone else tried this method and have experiences to share?
 
nightfly71 said:
For a straight cycle 3 weeks is all you want to run. Pulsing allows for a longer run and a bit higher dosing. Lots of guys run SD for 5 or 6 weeks on a pulse. The fact that you're dosing only 3 as opposed to 7 days per week makes this possible to do while still avoiding the toxicity you normally encounter w/ such a compound on a straight cycle.

This is one of the foundations of pulsing. Avoiding/delaying shutdown as well as toxicity while running a compund for a longer than usually allowable time to facilitate slow but steady progress that you can keep.
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With all due respect Nightfly, like I said I have not run SD myself but there is a thread on here re: low dose SD ie: 5 mgs/day and i believe the conclusion was that it is such a harsh substance that the sides still show up therefore if you were going to run superdrol, still get sides but with minimal gains one may as well run the straight cylce. I know pulsing is a little different but you are certainly running at higher dose than 5 mgs. If you personally have pulsed SD without shutdown and toxicity with bloodwork then my apologies. Let us know! I have stayed away from SD for this very reason.
 
luclyluciano said:
With all due respect Nightfly, like I said I have not run SD myself but there is a thread on here re: low dose SD ie: 5 mgs/day and i believe the conclusion was that it is such a harsh substance that the sides still show up therefore if you were going to run superdrol, still get sides but with minimal gains one may as well run the straight cylce. I know pulsing is a little different but you are certainly running at higher dose than 5 mgs. If you personally have pulsed SD without shutdown and toxicity with bloodwork then my apologies. Let us know! I have stayed away from SD for this very reason.
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I've always seen Superdrol and its clones manufactured in 10 mg. capsules. Unless someone were opening caps and dividing the doses or working w/ a bulk powder they wouldn't normally encounter a 5 mg. dose.

Most guys seem to start at 10 mg. and go from there up to 20 or 30 mg. within a week or so. Certainly it's a toxic substance, but pulsing minimizes toxicity and a lot of guys have run sd pulses with success. That being said, there will always be individuals who will be more sensitive to the sides of certain compounds. If a guy experiences really harsh sides even w/ half of the recommended minimum dose of a compound, it's best that he avoid it altogether.
 
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jgasbo1 said:
The past few cycles that I have run have been pretty consistent with the following:

M/W/F Training days with Superdrol as listed below
T/TH/Sat/Sun DHEA (50mg at 9am and 50mg at 1 pm) and an AI (1 serving at 9pm)

Superdrol pulse (as listed in the first few pages of this thread)

W1 20/20/20
W2 20/20/20
W3 30/30/30
W4 30/30/30
W5 40/40/40
w6 40/40/40
W7 - W10 PCT w/ Gasparis Novaldex-xt

After the 10 week cycle, I am usually up 8 pounds and my strength is through the roof. However, I cant retain my gains (maybe 2 pounds) after a few months pass. I don't know what I am doing wrong? I do know that the pulsing was a better approach than a straight cycle of SD. But, why cant I retain more gains? My diet stays consistent and my training stays consistent. Can someone here inform me in what I am doing wrong? The more I read here, the more I get confused.
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Perhaps run a shorter cycle that only yields a 4-5 lb. weight gain. That will probably be easier to maintain than an 8 lb. increase in 6 weeks. Remember that 8 lbs. of pure muscle mass is alot for an 6 week time frame for an experienced lifter. I think our perspective gets a little skewed given that we always hear about people gaining 15-25 lbs. with straight cycles.
Given that you may have trouble holding onto the weight, you will probably have to make a conscious effort to increase your calorie intake and maintain that increase after the cycle to maintain your new mass. I gained 3-4 lbs. with my first pulse cycle and held it without any trouble.
 
SRS2000 said:
Perhaps run a shorter cycle that only yields a 4-5 lb. weight gain. That will probably be easier to maintain than an 8 lb. increase in 6 weeks. Remember that 8 lbs. of pure muscle mass is alot for an 6 week time frame for an experienced lifter. I think our perspective gets a little skewed given that we always hear about people gaining 15-25 lbs. with straight cycles.
Given that you may have trouble holding onto the weight, you will probably have to make a conscious effort to increase your calorie intake and maintain that increase after the cycle to maintain your new mass. I gained 3-4 lbs. with my first pulse cycle and held it without any trouble.
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Well put. Nice sound advice mate :)
 
Hey guys, so far i've read through to page 104 of this thread :bigeyes: - and it is a HELL OF A LOT to take in .. but thought I would jump ahead and run this past everyone while I keep reading the rest. The pulsing idea really appeals to me based on inability to source a SERM and reduced sides.

24 Y/O, 213 pound @ 12 - 14%

How does this look for a Epistane cycle:

MWF

10/20/30
30/40/40
40/40/40
40/40/40
50/50/50 (if need be)
30/20/10

ED:
Tribulus 2 x 750mg
DHEA 50-200 grams
ZMA 3 caps

Off Days:
2 caps HyperdrolX2 - night time

On Days:
1 cap HyperdrolX2 - night time

PCT:
DHEA @ wk1: 200, wk2: 150, wk3: 100, wk4: 50 = 28 Days
HyperdrolX2 @ 2 caps day = 27 Days
Novedex XT (Gaspari) @ 1 cap each night = 20 Days
Tribulus 2 x 750mg
ZMA 3 caps
Creatine Mono

If absolute worst comes to worst I have a few sources I could likely get a SERM - but I want to avoid at all costs.. sure, I know everyone will say "HAVE A SERM ON HAND" so lets just skip that bit and agree, that I know this based on reading the past 100 Pages!!

1) Is this PCT enough do you think? Would it be smart to include PCS to assist with PCT more?
2) Novedex and HDX2 ok to be used together?
3) Is the Novedex even worth including in PCT or should I chuck that in on Off Days @ 1 cap?
4) Conflicting info on DHEA... should I use it ED or EOD?
5) Any other recommendations to adjust the set up here?

Ultimate goal is strength, so I will be directly training for strength increase with a little bit of hypertrophy here and there.
 
TGD said:
Hey guys, so far i've read through to page 104 of this thread :bigeyes: - and it is a HELL OF A LOT to take in .. but thought I would jump ahead and run this past everyone while I keep reading the rest. The pulsing idea really appeals to me based on inability to source a SERM and reduced sides.

24 Y/O, 213 pound @ 12 - 14%

How does this look for a Epistane cycle:

MWF

10/20/30
30/40/40
40/40/40
40/40/40
50/50/50 (if need be)
30/20/10

ED:
Tribulus 2 x 750mg
DHEA 50-200 grams
ZMA 3 caps

Off Days:
2 caps HyperdrolX2 - night time

On Days:
1 cap HyperdrolX2 - night time

PCT:
DHEA @ wk1: 200, wk2: 150, wk3: 100, wk4: 50 = 28 Days
HyperdrolX2 @ 2 caps day = 27 Days
Novedex XT (Gaspari) @ 1 cap each night = 20 Days
Tribulus 2 x 750mg
ZMA 3 caps
Creatine Mono

If absolute worst comes to worst I have a few sources I could likely get a SERM - but I want to avoid at all costs.. sure, I know everyone will say "HAVE A SERM ON HAND" so lets just skip that bit and agree, that I know this based on reading the past 100 Pages!!

1) Is this PCT enough do you think? Would it be smart to include PCS to assist with PCT more?
2) Novedex and HDX2 ok to be used together?
3) Is the Novedex even worth including in PCT or should I chuck that in on Off Days @ 1 cap?
4) Conflicting info on DHEA... should I use it ED or EOD?
5) Any other recommendations to adjust the set up here?

Ultimate goal is strength, so I will be directly training for strength increase with a little bit of hypertrophy here and there.
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Looks good. you don't need to taper down the Epistane on week 6. Towards the end is where she really kicks in so keep consistent, I would say. I found my sweet spot at 40 & even 30 mgs even on a pulse.

Not sure buy I found DHEA oral was a waste of time did nothing at all. I used Dermacrine from PP. This stuff you can really feel. I'd try EOD see if it works and go ED if necessary but you probably won't be shut down on EPI that much if at all. Everyone reacts different. I was shut down a little so I took PCS off days. You'll be fine, Epis is very mild but effective...mostly good experiences!
Never used Novadex or HDX2.
 
JGASBO1

I am on my 4th week of pulsing superdrol 3 times a week. I have mostly stayed at 20mgs, taken 30mgs twice when I have 2 days off before and after. I have been running hyperdrol X2 at 3 caps a day everyday. I am running the hx2 for 7 weeks straight while pulsing SD and taking lean extreme twice on off days. So far the only side effect I have experienced is lethargy. Otherwise BP is perfect (no BP helpers being taken) and libido is up. I have gained about 5 pounds and recomped very nicely. Subtle strength increases and feeling great in the gym. I am absolutely loving pulsing. 4th of July came up, didn't have any plans. Decided to go to Vallecito Lake and camp for 5 days. Only dosed once at the beginning of the week and just ran the hyperdrol and lean extreme. Didn't have to worry about having a few beers that weekend and ran some extra liver support. Will be taking 4 weeks of mass fx after pulse for a mild pct and take a break after that. I debated pulsing for quite awhile but at this point I think pulsing SD on top of a test booster is the only way I will take PH's from now forward. Just my experiences so far.....
 
luclyluciano said:
Not sure buy I found DHEA oral was a waste of time did nothing at all. I used Dermacrine from PP. This stuff you can really feel.
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This is a little off topic, but I've often wondered if a person could use the powdered DHEA you can buy in bulk and put it in a transdermal carrier matrix, thereby making it more effective than oral administration?
 
thundergod said:
This is a little off topic, but I've often wondered if a person could use the powdered DHEA you can buy in bulk and put it in a transdermal carrier matrix, thereby making it more effective than oral administration?
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I don't see why not.
You'd save some $$.
 
Ok, UPDATED version - Epistane MWF:

10/20/30
30/40/40
40/40/40
40/40/40
50/50/50 (if need be - otherwise 40)
50/50/50 (if need be - otherwise 40)

ED:
HyperdrolX2 (2 caps Off days, 1 cap On)
Tribulus 2'000 mg
ZMA 3 caps
DHEA 100mg (off days only)

PCT:
DHEA - 4 weeks @ 200/150/100/50 = 28 Days
HyperdrolX2 @ 2 caps day = 27 Days
Novedex XT (Gaspari) @ 1 cap each night = 20 Days
Tribulus 2'000mg
ZMA 3 caps
Creatine Mono
Plus have Post Cycle Support - will add in anywhere I feel its needed in the cycle, but only if I need it.

1) Novedex (ATD) and HDX2 (6-Bromo) ok to be used together? Or is that a waste?

2) If so.... Is the Novedex even worth including in PCT or at all? Or should I chuck that in on Off Days @ 1 cap?

3) Any other recommendations to adjust the set up here?
 
Yeah, I know. But I'm sure Primordial Performance would lay claim to some special way they formulated their Dermacrine!! LOL
I have a 25 gram container of DHEA powder in my stash. I think I'll order some carrier and toss in a little Trione or Formestane that I have as well. The Trione/DHEA combo should make one helluva test restorer!!!
 
EasyEJL said:
only related to the transdermal dhea, has anyone used ATD transdermally?
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I have Easy. It works wonderfully too. Only 25 mg. per night is needed. That equates to like 75 to 100 mg. orally. So you know that's a nice strong dose.
Dermabolics used to sell it already mixed. Not anymore though.
Too bad it's (ATD) disappearing soon. :damnit:
 
thundergod said:
Yeah, I know. But I'm sure Primordial Performance would lay claim to some special way they formulated their Dermacrine!! LOL
I have a 25 gram container of DHEA powder in my stash. I think I'll order some carrier and toss in a little Trione or Formestane that I have as well. The Trione/DHEA combo should make one helluva test restorer!!!
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That would be a great combo. DHEA aggravates my gyno so Trione/Form would be a great idea.
 
what are some thoughts on the 2wk on 2wk off cycles. i was thinking of doing 2wk on 2wk off for six weeks.
maybe somthing like this epi 40/40/0/0/40/40/0/0/40/40/0/0

would this work well with somthing like SD maybe 10/10/0/0/10/10/0/0/10/10/0/0 or is it to harsh.
 
pulsing Anavar?

would it make sense to take the doses Pre WO and Post WO? As I was under the impression to keep doses 6-8 hours apart?

So would a 40mg EOD pulse work better than a 20mg ED - 4 week cycle?

i apologize if an anavar pulse was already discussed but this thread is over 100 pages and im not having luck finding this topic!
 
phonefool said:
would it make sense to take the doses Pre WO and Post WO? As I was under the impression to keep doses 6-8 hours apart?

So would a 40mg EOD pulse work better than a 20mg ED - 4 week cycle?

i apologize if an anavar pulse was already discussed but this thread is over 100 pages and im not having luck finding this topic!
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Not sure about anavar never heard about anyone pulsing it. Find out the half life and that will help you.
 
anavar's halflife is moderately short, in the 8 hour range if I recall correctly which is part of its low suppression - normal dosing for it is take total for the day first thing on waking. So it ought to work ok for a pulse, just whether 40mg EOD would be better than 20ed is iffy. I'd think with anavar that from studies the 20mg was enough to cause fat loss and some muscle growth, so i dunno whether i'd bump to 40 EOD for 4 weeks or just do 20 EOD for 8 weeks
 
EasyEJL said:
anavar's halflife is moderately short, in the 8 hour range if I recall correctly which is part of its low suppression - normal dosing for it is take total for the day first thing on waking. So it ought to work ok for a pulse, just whether 40mg EOD would be better than 20ed is iffy. I'd think with anavar that from studies the 20mg was enough to cause fat loss and some muscle growth, so i dunno whether i'd bump to 40 EOD for 4 weeks or just do 20 EOD for 8 weeks
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thanks for the advice - i originally planned 20mg ed for 4 weeks - but was told by many this dose was too small....and i thought about buying another batch but it is expensive...to get the 40mg ed that many recommended minimal....so when i read up on pulsing i thought i could get the 40mg dose...at eod without buying more...if i could do better with 20mg eod for 8 weeks that is great news...and when pulsing (according to start of thread by Dr. D) instead of taking all at wake....or half am and half pm ( as many suggest)...would half pre wo and half post wo be protocol? thanks
 
EasyEJL said:
anavar's halflife is moderately short, in the 8 hour range if I recall correctly which is part of its low suppression - normal dosing for it is take total for the day first thing on waking. So it ought to work ok for a pulse, just whether 40mg EOD would be better than 20ed is iffy. I'd think with anavar that from studies the 20mg was enough to cause fat loss and some muscle growth, so i dunno whether i'd bump to 40 EOD for 4 weeks or just do 20 EOD for 8 weeks
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20 is very weak IME, almost indistinguishable from placebo unfortunately. :sad3:
 
DR.D said:
20 is very weak IME, almost indistinguishable from placebo unfortunately. :sad3:
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dr d not sure if you got my pm....so a 40mg eod pulse for 4 weeks would work out or is a var pulse not worth it..just go with 40mg ed 4 weeks? ....of maybe more cost effective to stack var with epi if pulsing? it would be my first cycle so any advice is appreciated.

thanks
 
I think Voodoo from DA said it best, "Hormonal chaos works for some but not others." He also said that if you must pulse then do a reverse pulse where you take your anabolics on off days rather than on days. Reason being that your off days is when your body is repairing itself and building muscle so you can use PHs to enhance recovery and nitrogen retention.

Also regardless of whether you are pulsing or not, you still need PCT and supports.
 
I am skeptical about reverse pulsing. When "on cycle" you don't get very sore because the muscle repair rate is so rapid... this being the case because the steroid levels are high enough in the time postworkout to rebuild them rapidly, so to speak. To me, this means that steroid levels should be highest DURING THE WORKOUT, and immediately after the workout.

You don't want the time that you're tearing your muscles up the most to be when your steroid concentration is at its lowest...

Technically most of the growth is done when sleeping right? So for reverse pulsing to be complete, you'd only dose your pills at night too, which is pretty crazy. I'm just very skeptical of it. I'm sure you'd still be making gains from it, but I am not convined that you will make *better* gains.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I am skeptical about reverse pulsing. When "on cycle" you don't get very sore because the muscle repair rate is so rapid... this being the case because the steroid levels are high enough in the time postworkout to rebuild them rapidly, so to speak. To me, this means that steroid levels should be highest DURING THE WORKOUT, and immediately after the workout.

You don't want the time that you're tearing your muscles up the most to be when your steroid concentration is at its lowest...

Technically most of the growth is done when sleeping right? So for reverse pulsing to be complete, you'd only dose your pills at night too, which is pretty crazy. I'm just very skeptical of it. I'm sure you'd still be making gains from it, but I am not convined that you will make *better* gains.
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I'm skeptical of the whole pulsing method to be honest. I have seen some positive reviews of it but no blood work so it's hard to assess its effectiveness. Logically it sounds good on paper but you're still playing around with your hormones.

I am more interested in the idea of mini cycles. There is a thread dedicated to this where the OP took 5 mg of Superdrol everyday for 3 weeks and gained 7 lbs lean muscle with no sides. Only test boosters were used for PCT. Unforunately no bloodwork to assess hormonal panel so again we're playing it by ear.
 
rugal09 said:
I'm skeptical of the whole pulsing method to be honest. I have seen some positive reviews of it but no blood work so it's hard to assess its effectiveness. Logically it sounds good on paper but you're still playing around with your hormones.

I am more interested in the idea of mini cycles. There is a thread dedicated to this where the OP took 5 mg of Superdrol everyday for 3 weeks and gained 7 lbs lean muscle with no sides. Only test boosters were used for PCT. Unforunately no bloodwork to assess hormonal panel so again we're playing it by ear.
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I have pulsed Epi and loved it. But many here are negative about the concept stating the blood serum hormonal levels are being screwed up & down with and are not good or healthy creating hell internally. Many say just run the cycle prepared and with proper PCT/SERm and be done with it. Like to know what DR. D says about this?

Not sure if it's already been asked in this 3000 post thread?:laugh2:
 
This is seriously one of the most informative threads about this topic anywhere I could find, and I've been researching for weeks.

Thanks to Dr. D and all the countless others for the great advice and wisdom. I'll be pulsing Epi and will start a log and provide any and all feedback I can!
 
luclyluciano said:
I have pulsed Epi and loved it. But many here are negative about the concept stating the blood serum hormonal levels are being screwed up & down with and are not good or healthy creating hell internally. Many say just run the cycle prepared and with proper PCT/SERm and be done with it. Like to know what DR. D says about this?

Not sure if it's already been asked in this 3000 post thread?:laugh2:
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ANYONE?
 
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