how far did you get naturally

UnrealMachine

UnrealMachine

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I'm just curious because there's always arguments about standards and when someone should start.

Some people start too soon but are smart and know what they're doing, some people started accidentally because someone said "take this brah you'll get HUGE." Some people train naturally for 10+ years and have a great foundation and knowledge to build off of.

I trained about 1.5 years in HS, @ age 16 was 6'1 210 ~15% 245 bench 300 squat. Tried to maintain but stopped and just got fat. Started again at 19, lost all the fat and started bulking. First cycle @ age 20, 6'1 220 and ~14% ~300 bench and 350-365 squat. "Hemadrol" did 0 for me though so i didn't count the cycle. Kept bulking naturally. Few months later age 20 first "real" cycle was PheraPlex, 6'1 235 ~18% bodyfat, 325 bench, prolly ~380 squat. I consider those the stats I naturally attained. A lot of LBM but high bodyfat.

I consider it important to make some gains naturally because you have to know what kind of training works for you. Same goes for diet and honestly diet is something i didn't even have down when I started. I know way more now than when I started and I knew when I started, at age 20, that I was just being impatient.
 
Started lifting - 143lbs prolly 10% bf age 19 Id say.

Started to get serious, hit 185lbs about 10% bf again, about 1 year

messed around for another year, read a bunch of stuff, hit 215lbs probably 15-17% bf

started playing with the real deal at age 22 me thinks?
 
I started working out at 17. calesthenics. did that until I was 19. then moved to weights.

at 20 I found out I had a brain tumor. pretty much put a stop to my lifting.

recovered, and still lifted off an on. didn't get seriously back into it until i was 23.

started living with m dad, who was an natty bodybuilder.

got my weight to its highest at 155. 5'9.

got discouraged, quit taking it seriously for a while, then got maried, and got back into it again.

weight was at 145 at first cyle. blew up to 175 on cycle. lost 10. down to 165.

wished I would of waited. I know more now than I ever thought I would know. and because of that, i know i dont know enough still.

I cycled before I was ready. do i regret it, no. could I have saved those 10lbs if I knew then what i know now, possibly.

first cycle at 24
 
Been lifting since I was about 16. I'm 21 now. I admit I have room to grow naturally, but I did have a solid foundation on knowledge of training and nutrition.
 
was looking for stats moreso than age but whatever
 
188 was the heaviest I got before cycling I remember bc I struggled" to get there I was happy and chubby. Then cut to 176 at 9% and ran epi.

Pinning is next:) as soon as I get to 215 is the Target but ill probably pin before I get to that weight
 
I got up to ~245lbs & 20% when I was 18 all natty, and then cut to contest weight in the teen a year later weighed in at 180 dehydrated & pinched 4.5%

I jumped the gun when I turned 20 but whatever! That was a few years ago
 
Lifted in high school some, only stats I remember was being 205 at about 15%, up to 210 at the same percentage... Took a couple years off, gettin wasted not taking anything seriously...

A couple of years ago I decided I could not just slop through life and started picking up weights. I was a heavy 250 at a ridiculous percentage of bf... Cut down to 18 and bulked to where I was when I started this superd... Im 25 and this is my first cycle. My long term goal is 230 at 10%
 
I got up to about 185 at 5'10" a few months ago

I'm at about 181 right now and probably 10-12% bf. Just starting my first cycle of p mag. I'm 25
 
At 12 yrs. I was 5-7 212lbs (can you say a bowling ball?). By 14 I was 6-1 178. I had a bad knee injury in captain's practice (hockey) at 16 yrs old (182lbs).

Religiously over trained to get to 205lbs at 8% by the start of senior year and made a bet that I could hit 220lbs by 18th b-day (Feb. 14th). Lost the bet by 5lbs and not only had to cut the hair (hockey hair in the late 80's, early 90's) but had to get a perm!!! If I could post a picture on the site yet I would (pretty f-ing hilarious but I was 32" waist and about 9-10%).

Never got that big and that lean again (6 more knee surgeries) which is why the post about cycles last week.

Sincerely,

Fatty fat faterson ;)
A.A.
 
I used to wiegh 230 lbs I was a fatty. Dieted my way down to 150 got up to abt 160 after a year f dieting and learning I was anxious for some muscle after all my hard work. Jumped on epi got up to 170 had no idea what I was doing but everything went really good. Kept 8lbs. Then wen natural for abt 5 months researched more and did another cycle.
So pretty much
160lbs on first cycle with 10% bf now I'm up to 185 with abt 11% bf
 
Im starting to doubt if building naturaly before jumping on the juice even matters. I think somone could argue that if a beginner jumped on the juice right at the start, his end results would eventualy be on par with the avid cycler in far less time.

Did you notice how people who havnt "Reached their genetic potential" gain so much more weight in their cycle compared to veterans? Thoughts please.
 
example: I recently saw a 19 yr old in the gym that I have known since childhood. A little over a year ago he was barely working out and weighed in maybe 140lbs. I saw him in the gym the other day looking freakishly huge @ 210lbs ripped. He did admit to being on steroids but i just couldnt except the results i was seeing. I mean ive been working out consistantly with just a few pathetic ph cycles for 4 years and have maybe 15lbs to show for it?

He was putting up about 365 on the bench, acne all over his shoulders, deepened voice I mean fuk me but i think we are going about this all wrong LOL
 
citystreets said:
Im starting to doubt if building naturaly before jumping on the juice even matters. I think somone could argue that if a beginner jumped on the juice right at the start, his end results would eventualy be on par with the avid cycler in far less time.

Did you notice how people who havnt "Reached their genetic potential" gain so much more weight in their cycle compared to veterans? Thoughts please.
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I don't believe it matter weather a beginner juices or not. I think that they should get a decent understanding of workout,diet,and rest b4 they cycle. That way they can make the most out of their cycle. I don't believe the rule "hit your genetic limit b4 juicing" becuz most people do not know there genetics nor do they really care about them. AAS are meant to pass genetic limits and reach a goal that you wouldn't be able to reach without them. I think for the "natural" bodybuilder genetics play a more important role. BUT since we aren't "natural" and using foreign substances to beat genetics I don't think it really matter abt hitting your limit. As long as you have a good foundation you can start as soon as u pick up a weight if you choose (I do not recommend that though) and you will pass your limit without even knowing.
 
Yes if you have only gaines 15 lb in 4 years.... No if yo have only gained 15 lb in you first year alone!!!!! Regardless of being natty you have no reason to be on roids. Wow. Years fir 15 lb is horrible progress. You need to devote yourself to learning to diet properly. I was 166 at the end of 09 at 15%. Got to 200 at 17. Now I'm 188@ 14%. Not even a year so far. It's all about diet brah.
 
ZamaMan said:
Yes if you have only gaines 15 lb in 4 years.... No if yo have only gained 15 lb in you first year alone!!!!! Regardless of being natty you have no reason to be on roids. Wow. Years fir 15 lb is horrible progress. You need to devote yourself to learning to diet properly. I was 166 at the end of 09 at 15%. Got to 200 at 17. Now I'm 188@ 14%. Not even a year so far. It's all about diet brah.
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Is this directed towards me?
 
ZamaMan said:
Yes if you have only gaines 15 lb in 4 years.... No if yo have only gained 15 lb in you first year alone!!!!! Regardless of being natty you have no reason to be on roids. Wow. Years fir 15 lb is horrible progress. You need to devote yourself to learning to diet properly. I was 166 at the end of 09 at 15%. Got to 200 at 17. Now I'm 188@ 14%. Not even a year so far. It's all about diet brah.
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Is this directed towards me?
Yes diet is the key to anything weather it be bulk or a cut.
 
starting lifting when i was 12 for wrestling..wrestled 126lbs in states @ 10 % bf that year.. never grew another inch got up to 215lbs at around 15% at biggest ever but leveled out around 205 12% for a few years through college.. turned 21 couple months later took epi... natural stats: leveled off on bench 315 x 4 or so... squated 425 in HS for football.. deadlifted 315 x 6-8 max natural .. i believe i was closer to my genetic potential then most.. i had my diet and consistent training for 9 years.. i dont have as much success w/ my cycles as i see some ppl having.. and its discouraging to say the least
 
I was 20 when I first started lifting seriously.

I was 24yo, 230lbs, 13%BF when I ran my first cycle. Was able to bench 315, squat 405, DL 405 before doing my first cycle as well.
 
bigzach1234 said:
starting lifting when i was 12 for wrestling..wrestled 126lbs in states @ 10 % bf that year.. never grew another inch got up to 215lbs at around 15% at biggest ever but leveled out around 205 12% for a few years through college.. turned 21 couple months later took epi... natural stats: leveled off on bench 315 x 4 or so... squated 425 in HS for football.. deadlifted 315 x 6-8 max natural .. i believe i was closer to my genetic potential then most.. i had my diet and consistent training for 9 years.. i dont have as much success w/ my cycles as i see some ppl having.. and its discouraging to say the least
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Thats how it goes bro when you're already pretty far past your genetic potential. When I graduated high school I was 180lbs sopping wet! Now, at this point, when I do a bulking cycle, if I can gain 3-4lbs of muscle in 12-16 weeks, Im estatic!!! lol.
 
I'm 24, 6'5" 245-250 and about 12-13% bf, no PH or AAS yet.

My goal is 6'10"... j/k :lol: 255 or so at 10% would be sick
 
started lifting when i was 15 yrs old, 150 pounds - dont know what my bf was but i was fat lmao, benchpress-125, deadlift-150

Currently- 18 yrs old, 180 pounds, 10% bf, benchpress-310, deadlift-500
And still keeping it natural
 
high school 5-10 190ibs natural
military age 19-26 220ibs 6-8% bf natural
power lifting age 28-32 5-10 290-305 ibs 20-24%bf natural
bb age 33-39 5-10 258ibs 10%bf all juiced up
 
weight + hight + bone structure + body fat= how you carry you muscle/look.

people think i weight more than I do.
I have little girly bones, and am only 5'9". I think this plays a big role in how we look.

even funnier is when im cut and lean, people think I weight even more.
 
jbryand101b said:
weight + hight + bone structure + body fat= how you carry you muscle/look.

people think i weight more than I do.
I have little girly bones, and am only 5'9". I think this plays a big role in how we look.

even funnier is when im cut and lean, people think I weight even more.
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People think I'm 225 at most because of how tall I am and how I carry the weight.
 
bigzach1234 said:
starting lifting when i was 12 for wrestling..wrestled 126lbs in states @ 10 % bf that year.. never grew another inch got up to 215lbs at around 15% at biggest ever but leveled out around 205 12% for a few years through college.. turned 21 couple months later took epi... natural stats: leveled off on bench 315 x 4 or so... squated 425 in HS for football.. deadlifted 315 x 6-8 max natural .. i believe i was closer to my genetic potential then most.. i had my diet and consistent training for 9 years.. i dont have as much success w/ my cycles as i see some ppl having.. and its discouraging to say the least
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right there with you on that

citystreets said:
Im starting to doubt if building naturaly before jumping on the juice even matters. I think somone could argue that if a beginner jumped on the juice right at the start, his end results would eventualy be on par with the avid cycler in far less time.

Did you notice how people who havnt "Reached their genetic potential" gain so much more weight in their cycle compared to veterans? Thoughts please.
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I notice that too, n00bs will blow up huge on cycle. They also are the ones who lose more of the gains when they come off, especially in the long run.

wedlund6 said:
high school 5-10 190ibs natural
military age 19-26 220ibs 6-8% bf natural
power lifting age 28-32 5-10 290-305 ibs 20-24%bf natural
bb age 33-39 5-10 258ibs 10%bf all juiced up
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impressive, lots of good stories in here.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I notice that too, n00bs will blow up huge on cycle. They also are the ones who lose more of the gains when they come off, especially in the long run.
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So does this mean that were gonna start telling the noobs that are 6'0 130 lbs that wanna jump on SD to go ahead...........................or are we gonna B**** slap them.

(Honestly I would love to see a log like that lol. The noob gains with SD combined with someone with a pretty much clean canvase. He would prolly gain a good 30lbs on cycle that would be a good log)
 
I got to 205 5'11" with a 300 bench, 450 squat and a 5 something dead lift in my early twenties with only creatine. I hit these stats after about 1 1/2 years in the gym. Before that tho I was very active sports and grew up working on a farm.....worked my ass off the old fashion way!
 
When I was in high school, I played football and was a powerlifter, so I have been training hard since I was 16. I've only ran one cycle in my life, Finaflex 1-Andro, which didn't do much for me anyway, my bench is one stat that may look alot different, but I don't believe it was the Finaflex.

Bench: Pre-Cycle: 330-350 lbs (350 being the strongest, but didn't stay there for long)
After-Cycle: 405 lbs (made gains in post cycle, but I feel it was due to more focus on single reps)

Squat: Pre-Cycle: 485 lbs. I've not squatted since powerlifting due to trying to save my back later in life. I do other things such as leg press now.

Deadlifts: Pre-Cycle: 505 lbs. I'm just now starting to get back into these. So I have no measure for after my cycle.
 
6' @ 220lbs and 11.5% body fat.

I don't bench often with the bar, I've stuck to dumb bells and have repped the 120lbers natural.
 
I've never ran anything. I am 5'10" in high school I 185, now I am almost 24 and weight 235.

I never try to max out, don't want to hurt myself. Two weeks ago I benched 295 for 6. This week I did incline 225x8x3 and probably could have done another set.

Legs wise I have a bad back so I don't go heavy for squats or dead lifts. But I can jump up on a boso ball and pop out 10 one leg squats with a complete range of motion easily.

Thinking about first cycle still, been trying to lose about 10 pounds by changing my diet to something that is sustainable and not just temporary before I start.
 
176 and 9.4% BF. cut from a huge mushy 205.

then cut to 164 at a lower bf, then had trouble gaining weight, and then i DESTROYED my physique.

Methyl 1 D, then Dbol, both destroyed my physique horribly never been the same.
 
I cant remember what I weighed when I started but I have been training since I was about 15 but only seriously for about 1.5 years now. Im 18 natty 5ft 7 and about 185 at around 14% bf. Pretty pleased with what I have done seeing as most people around my size in the uk are juiced.
 
wedlund6 said:
high school 5-10 190ibs natural
military age 19-26 220ibs 6-8% bf natural
power lifting age 28-32 5-10 290-305 ibs 20-24%bf natural
bb age 33-39 5-10 258ibs 10%bf all juiced up
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Good Lord wedlund. 258 lbs at 10% - on a 5'10" frame - is god - damn ginormous. Do you compete?
 
Well, I started lifting with those cheap plastic weight sets in my room in 8th grade, so 14 years old I guess. I continued in HS for sports, but only part-time my first year. I started lifting full-time at age 16, but didn't know jack sh*it about training or nutirtion until much, much later. Also had to work around a seriously debilitating shoulder injury at age 17, so combined these left with much much slower gains than my friends. All this was of course natty.

Continued to train throughout college, again for sports so not really a BB emphasis. Learned a ton more about nutrition and training, and supps. Still all natty, I came into my last season at about 405 bench and 565 or so squat; deadlift was unknown as we didn't test it, but I had about a 335 power clean, and a personal best of a 4.63 in the 40. I was 6'2", 245 and pretty lean, I'd guess about 12%. This was my peak all-natural.

First cycle was 4-AD/1-AD back in the day, it was great but I used it to get back to heavy weights that had fallen off after maintenace training for a while, so no new progress was made. It was also during my cardio kick, so I was very lean, like 10% or so, weight about 238-240.

Hit some mild new PRs in Dec 2007 on PPs original 1-T, but I had really fallen off the wagon re: diet and was probably near 20% at... 270ish I think? I had less success with 1-T Tren the next year on a recomp, although I did lean up nicely, and better success overall on Epi/1-T later still. I don't know specifically how much these cycles have helped, b/c my weight is always in motion (LOL), but right now I am at my new "normal" weight and BF of about 260-265 and 15% or so. I was also recently at all-time highs re: strength (before I cut through May and into June), and soon I will be cycling "for real". I think 285 at same 15% BF is attainable.
 
Got married before I could try gear. It's too late for me...

375 bench
495 deads

I don't expect to progress much further then this. I've fluctuated down and back up to these numbers, but haven't exceeded them.
 
Got to 206lbs @ 5'6" and 20%bf age 25. 315lb bench, 405 deadlift, and 405 squat. Maintained weight and dropped body fat after two cycles to around 14% and added about 90lbs to bench and more reps to my max on squat and deadlift. Never looked too much for size with gear. Mainly gradual recomp.
 
I've gone from 5'9" 170/18%BF to 235/13-14%BF in five years clean. Raw I have done a 425 bench, 560 squat, 615 deadlift, all done at different competitions though, I can't seem to hit it all on the same day.

Personally I think the further you go clean the more you learn, the more you prove you are willing to suffer for gains. You learn about the details, fine-tuning. You really have to know your stuff to get big and consistent gains clean. Thus, I think the further you go and more importantly, the more you accomplish clean, the better you'll do when you turn to PED's.

I can think of countless powerlifting and Olympic lifting beasts, absolute beasts, that would blow up and go off the charts with AAS. There are guys considerably stronger than I am, suspiciously strong, that are clean. What would happen to my total if I started a serious cycle of Tren-A? What about another clean athlete i know that has an 1800lb raw total?

Sure a new lifter would make crazy gains off of AAS without experience in the gym, but personally I think there is a better way. Just my opinion however.
 
I started lifting in High School. Was a small kid. I wanted to wrestle real bad, but didn't weigh enough to (had to weigh 95 lbs.) I turned to weight training in the footsteps of my old man, and slowly but surely gained weight ever since. Here I am about 20 years later at about 189 5'10" ~13-14% and I'll be starting my first methyl PH in September.
 
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