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As promised Mrsupps.com Chlorathoxy!! now ready for testing sign up my friends

poopypants said:
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Ill be starting my sponsored log as soon as I receive the testing product but for all those interested I'm already running a cutting log in the general logs section, ya'l are free to join me until then for a good ol poopy time.
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is your name poopy cuz you cant say s h i t t y on the board? lol


link me when it starts bro! KTS!
 
Lol, back when I joined you could say whatever the ef you wanted, dunno if the same was tru for the screen names though either way its always been a screen name/gamertag of mine
 
chocolatemilk said:
Wow this is awesome... I was so excited for this when you mentioned it Needto I cannot wait to see the results on this one. I know many of you were very interested in this...

GET SOME!!!

Hey Needto will this be sold at Mrsupps from now on?
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yes this product will be sold at Mrsupps.com but only if most of the testers give me good feed back and I feel the product is a go. We will have about 7 people testing the product on this site and another 20 or so across other sites.
 
This is definitely some cutting edge innovation. I can't wait to see the end results from the 7 testers on this site...
 
needtogetmuscle said:
J my man. If you did not get picked for testing you are the reason I set 4 bottles aside. You and one on person on this site I set a bottle aside for . I am calling you now
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jbry you lucky dog! :shocked:
 
EasyEJL said:
Hmm is 20mg of max lmg enough to notice really? Also, halo normally gets run for more than 30 days. But either way, I just had an eligibility question. I can drop any other (even natural) hormone effecting products, but if my bloodwork next week is clear i'm due to go back on TRT at 150mg of cyp I think a week, possibly as low as 100, depends on how the doctor feels. I wouldn't be going back on that till at least the weelk of Oct 11th, as I wont get my bloods back till late next week, then will need to make an appointment with the urologist. But i'd be interested in putting in a log if that isn't an issue. yes, real medical supervised TRT by a regular doctor becuase i have ****ty test levels naturally at 42.
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Please keep in mind that when using a hormone trasndermal it is a lot more powerful then when used orally. So less is needed my friend. The combined effect of both compounds put into a twice a day transdermal dose will be very effective my friend and pretty powerful.

We are also using a secret method of making the compounds that will make them twice as powerful when using them in a transdermal. That is all I can and or will say but trust me the results will be seen and felt by the users.
 
sounds like amazing stuff
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Please keep in mind that when using a hormone trasndermal it is a lot more powerful then when used orally. So less is needed my friend. The combined effect of both compounds put into a twice a day transdermal dose will be very effective my friend and pretty powerful.

We are also using a secret method of making the compounds that will make them twice as powerful when using them in a transdermal. That is all I can and or will say but trust me the results will be seen and felt by the users.
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^^ This is what I like to hear ;)
 
thebigt said:
all i can say is the forma-stanol is best formestane product i have ever used, i bet the transdermal ph is of the same high quality.
the skeletal balm and forma-stanol have both been good enough to sell me on ntbm products-nice job!
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This means a lot my friend. I know you have many years of experence with using transdermal and formastane based products. Like I was telling you we use a totally different topical formulation then any other company. We use a combined synergistic natural+chemical formula that is what I believe to be the most powerful yet safe Transdermal formula there is.

All the compounds used complement each, enhancing the positive effects and reducing/negating any negative effects. Our topical dries within seconds thus reducing any risks of contact with your loved ones. We use a formula that allows for "much less" amounts to be used and we spread dosing out over 10 small pumps rather then 4-5 huge sloppy mess doses.

Most other topical compounds come in a 4-6 big sloppy mess of a dose. They take up to 10 minutes or more to dry. So much liquid is used that you have to cover a huge area of the body causing more risk of contact with others.

With out formula even a full 10 pump dose is small and not much space is needed although by rubbing quickly you can cover a large area if you want. It dries in seconds and you can put your shirt back on and be on your way.

Or formula also Has Nice clean Aftershave type of sent to it. The sent is not strong at all and even though it smells fine the sent goes away in less then 30 mins or so. So no more girlfriends/wife/friends telling you that you stink!!!!

Everything about our formula is a step above the rest. The ingredents we use in all of our products are 100% top of the line. All products are made in a state of the art GMP certifide facility. In fact GMP certifide a full year before it was required because why wait to be perfect!!!
 
kevinhy said:
Were trans-dermal absorption rates taken into consideration for the dosing of chlorathoxy? I read the 50mg un-methylated halo + 20mg M LMG per 20 pumps, is that after you've factored in 30 or so percent absorption? or total?
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I think everyone can stop worrying about the dose. We been making sup sfor a very long time and we know what we are doing and the product is going to work just fine...

Thank you for adding to the conversation though. I love everyone and all comments are welcome. However the dosing will be fine....
 
needtogetmuscle said:
This means a lot my friend. I know you have many years of experence with using transdermal and formastane based products. Like I was telling you we use a totally different topical formulation then any other company. We use a combined synergistic natural+chemical formula that is what I believe to be the most powerful yet safe Transdermal formula there is.

All the compounds used complement each, enhancing the positive effects and reducing/negating any negative effects. Our topical dries within seconds thus reducing any risks of contact with your loved ones. We use a formula that allows for "much less" amounts to be used and we spread dosing out over 10 small pumps rather then 4-5 huge sloppy mess doses.

Most other topical compounds come in a 4-6 big sloppy mess of a dose. They take up to 10 minutes or more to dry. So much liquid is used that you have to cover a huge area of the body causing more risk of contact with others.

With out formula even a full 10 pump dose is small and not much space is needed although by rubbing quickly you can cover a large area if you want. It dries in seconds and you can put your shirt back on and be on your way.

Or formula also Has Nice clean Aftershave type of sent to it. The sent is not strong at all and even though it smells fine the sent goes away in less then 30 mins or so. So no more girlfriends/wife/friends telling you that you stink!!!!

Everything about our formula is a step above the rest. The ingredents we use in all of our products are 100% top of the line. All products are made in a state of the art GMP certifide facility. In fact GMP certifide a full year before it was required because why wait to be perfect!!!
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i told you that words are words and results are results. well the results speak for themselves-BEST FORMESTANE PRODUCT-

PERIOD.



you have trully mastered transdermal delivery-i have no doubt the ph will be fantastic.
 
Nothingman said:
Nice,

Ok I have Clomd and Tamoxifen on hand already for pct (Im not afraid to overkill in pct)
What are you guys recomending for support sups if any?
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You should run N2guard with any cycle of any kind.
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N2guard is "The Mother load" of all steroid Cycle Support supplements.
The product covers every single aspect of health and protection you could possible think of at the same price as many of the other so called "all in one" products only N2guard truly is a all in one. We did not pixie dust Celery sticks and fruit salad with a pinch of milk thistle here guys. We (as always) did it right and through everything plus the kitchen sink into this bad boy. "clearly" listing everything that is in it MG for mg so you have no doubt its got what it takes to protect every organ, every system, and every damn health concern imaginable!!!!

N2GUARD, the one support supplement to rule them all is Finely here. N2GUARD is the mother load of all support supplements that not only protects your health but your gains as well. Just look at what N2guard does for you!
Cholesterol control
Blood Pressure regulator
Anti Water Retention
Ergogenic Adaptogens
Anti oxidant and cell repair
Receptor upregulation
Liver Protection
complete RDA of vitamins and minerals
Better Kidney function and protection

Enhances and protected major organs
that are parts of your
Circulatory system
Excretory system
Immune system
Muscular system
Nervous system
Reproductive system
Skeletal system
Digestive system


So the best thing is to run this product with you cycle. The When it comes to pct you want to use a combo of products that not only help bring back testosterone but also control estrogen and PROGESTERONE As well.

So the way the cycle,support sups and pct would look is as follows.
weeks
1-4 chlorathoxy 10 pumps am and 10 pumps pm (or 10 pumps times a day if you like)
1-4 N2guard 7 caps a day spread out ( one bottle )
1-4 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm ( love my hcgenerate on cycle to prevent shut down and keep sex drive rolling strong)
4-8 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm
( would go with forma on this one because of its ability to control estrogen and progesterone)
4-8 unleashed and post cycle 3 caps every day..
Love my unleashed and post cycle. This raises free test levels helping to make the most of any test you have during pct, ALso keeps the liver protected , raises overall test, increases blood volume and more. Not only that we sell the post cycle and unleashed combo dirt cheap at needtobuildmuscle.com


Now if you want a lot of people like to add TESTOSTERONE CONVERSION FACTOR-1 to there pct. At ntbm if you use our needto139 discount code and factor in the free 2-3 day shipping we sell the product cheaper then anyone else. Invalid Link Removed


Now I will give a list of Needto approved cycle add ons for a chlorathoxy cycle

1. L-Dopa ( loved Purus labs version and I highly trust this company)
2 Muscle Marinade is my second choice next to N2KTS which is out right now but will be back and selling at mrsupps.com in less then 2 weeks.
3 I think katanadrol or Stano-Drol would be synergistic with this compound
4. Need2slin is of course a oustanding addition to any cycle.
5. dermacrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! O hell ya. You could even apply the two together putting one on the chest and then the other on the upper arms,neck , and back. I live the nerotropic effects of dermacrine and I been living on this stuff for like 5 years now. Its pretty much a natural Anti depressant for me.. I put on some dermacrine and boom nothing bothers me I feel like I am on cloud 9 all day..
Plus dermacrine always enhances appetite which is a plus when bulking and it adds more to any cycle.

There is of course all kinds of other things to add to a cycle but I figure I would just toss a few of them off the top of my head.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Whooo Hoooo!!!

Zama man... Nate knows his sh*t. If you look around at the other compounds he supports, they are all dosed right aka higher than the average company sells. I would always trust in him as he knows his sh*t up and down, side to side. Obviously he understands halodrol absorption and wouldn't low dose a testing product. He knows what he's doing and knows his steroids like the back of this hand.

Poopypants ma man congratulations. You're log is already up and running so this will definitely add some big firepower to it. Excited to see how this treats you brah. Enjoy :)
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I have learned a thing or two lol.. I am lucky enough to be the Executive Elite mod/admin of the largest steroid forum in the world. And have been for about 3 years now. Before that I was the head mod,before that a super mod,before that a mod, before that a member for a few years lol..

For the past 7 years I have invested my entire life into this industry. I have a pretty long list of qualifications I have amassed through my life and I continually try to add to this list and better my self so that I can better serve others. Here is a small list of some things I have achieved in my life on top of being a head mod and admin of the largest steroid forum in the world.

1. Years of study and practical knowledge in the field of
chemical enhancement
2. Years of personal experience with the effects of chemical enhancement
3. Proven ability to mentor people in accomplishing their goals through the use of chemical enhancing compounds and supplements
4. Years of being an active member in the AAS community resulting in an unwavering respect for my advice.
5. Known for being on the cutting edge of new and better AAS and supplements.
6. A masters degree in Culinary Arts (Cambridge School of Culinary Arts) and published other of "The Anabolic Kitchen" sold world wide.
7. Associates degree in small business Management.
8. Owner of 4 successful businesses in various industries. Supplements,Media management,MMA/sports, and writing.
9. Certificates in Organic chemistry.Organic Chemistry II,Advanced Organic Chemistry,and Synthetic Organic Chemistry II (Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
10. 6 years of self edification for every topic from
training and diet to advanced steroid and chemical enhancement
11. Mentored by industry leaders.
12. 4 Years US ARMY. List of training
A. US Army Airborn training
B. Us Army jungle training
C. US army Air assault training
D Us army Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP)
G. US Army Food service training and advanced Culinary Arts training.
H. US army Hosp food service and nutrition specialist ( US Amry Academy of Health Sciences)
13. Serve safe certifide
14. dietitian certifide
15. over 150 published Articles and quotes of my work.
16. Worked as a product rep for over 20 different companies in the industry from primordialperformance to smaller companies like JAM. With every company I worked for I excelled and made the rank of #1 selling product rep with every single company. ( because I put people first I bet)
17. currently in school now. Everglades University
Bachelor of Science Degree in Alternative Medicine

Yes with all I do I still find the time to go to school and learn more. Of course having the ability to go to collage online helps out big time. I spend my life helping the people around me on these forums and finding better ways I can do this. If I am not helping some one then I am learning more so that I can help some one loll....

This industry, these forums, and the people here. They are my job,my friends,my family,my loved ones, my free time, my pass time, my entertainment, my way of life, and my everything. Yes I live my entire life infront of this computer screen. Except the times I do get off to spend with my wife and kids.

I stop working Friday night around 8pm and don't get back on till about 2-3pm sunday. That whole time is spent with no one but my wife and kids. Other then that every other second of my life is right here on my computer doing everything I can to be a huge part of this industry. A better part of it for everyone. Because I truly feel people deserve better then what they have been getting.
 
ZamaMan said:
What?!!! You didn't ask me multiple times. And I didn't say no I didn't want to run it, I said I would like to run it if I could get two bottles to run a good dosage OR if there was a good reason why this was this log was dosed very low, such as absorbtion rate or conversion rate. You couldn't awnser my question so I told you I would pm Nate for the scientific reason. You replied soon after and said Nate was a busy man and that you would just give it to someone else and thanks for applying.

I never didn't not want to run it as i was curious about a transdermal hormone run, but you said you couldn't wait for me to find out and you'd just give it to someone else.

I didn't like your decision but I was fine since beggers can't be choosers, but seeing that you were willing to wait for someone else but not for me to get my awnser to the low dosage, pissed me off because it was a real D Bag move for you.

Sorry if this message sounds mean spirit as it's not I just got mad when I saw the posts.
Well I'll stop cluttering up this thread with my crap and have great cycles guys.

Sal
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ZamaMan,
I really do not wish for you to walk away feeling like you were slighted for any reason. Miss communication happens all the time on the internet good bro. Its one of the downfalls in not talking face to face, man to man with people. We do not have the luxury of knowing exactly what each other is trying to convey at all times or being able to seal the deal with eye contact and a hand shake.

this of course some times leads to problems. Problems I try and do everything I can to avoid or make right when I have the power to do so. My good Sir in a effort to make things right I would like to offer you free bottles of chlorathoxy "when the product is ready for sale" and the first run of the product is made. So you will get two free bottles of the finished product when it is perfect. I am almost positive the version we have now will be the final version but Beta testing will prov one way or the other on that.

Right or wrong on ether side I just want everyone to be friends, have respect for each other, and know that I am a honest man running a honest company. I do not own the Mrsupps.com company however I am pretty much in charge of almost every part of it. My name is attached to it and my name is one of my most important resources to me.

So My friend I hope my offer is one that can leave you feeling peaceful and happy about the way I do business. I hope you can feel good about supporting not only mrsupps.com but also Me as a person too.

I will send you a pm my man. Bust wishes to you.
 
nate, you're an amazing person, bro.

:box:
 
needtogetmuscle said:
This means a lot my friend. I know you have many years of experence with using transdermal and formastane based products. Like I was telling you we use a totally different topical formulation then any other company. We use a combined synergistic natural+chemical formula that is what I believe to be the most powerful yet safe Transdermal formula there is.

All the compounds used complement each, enhancing the positive effects and reducing/negating any negative effects. Our topical dries within seconds thus reducing any risks of contact with your loved ones. We use a formula that allows for "much less" amounts to be used and we spread dosing out over 10 small pumps rather then 4-5 huge sloppy mess doses.

Most other topical compounds come in a 4-6 big sloppy mess of a dose. They take up to 10 minutes or more to dry. So much liquid is used that you have to cover a huge area of the body causing more risk of contact with others.

With out formula even a full 10 pump dose is small and not much space is needed although by rubbing quickly you can cover a large area if you want. It dries in seconds and you can put your shirt back on and be on your way.

Or formula also Has Nice clean Aftershave type of sent to it. The sent is not strong at all and even though it smells fine the sent goes away in less then 30 mins or so. So no more girlfriends/wife/friends telling you that you stink!!!!

Everything about our formula is a step above the rest. The ingredents we use in all of our products are 100% top of the line. All products are made in a state of the art GMP certifide facility. In fact GMP certifide a full year before it was required because why wait to be perfect!!!
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I am really glad to hear that the formula is not like the old ones. I have used them all just about, including my own recipe, even used DMSO in the past which was a bad idea. I can't tell you how frustrating it was to try and rub in some of the old formulas, it was a mess! Not to mention how much wouldn't absorb and was just wasted product. Can't wait to try your formula!
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Y
1-4 chlorathoxy 10 pumps am and 10 pumps pm (or 10 pumps times a day if you like)
1-4 N2guard 7 caps a day spread out ( one bottle )
1-4 hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm ( love my hcgenerate on cycle to prevent shut down and keep sex drive rolling strong)
4-8 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and 5 pumps pm
( would go with forma on this one because of its ability to control estrogen and progesterone)
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I have been out of the game for awhile so I guess there are new ways in doing things, but I have noticed here that you are advising the use of a steroidal AI in pct (forma-stanzol)? I know that suppression with formestane is dose dependent, but wouldn't you want to avoid any suppression in pct?
 
ryansm said:
Interesting, and from what I understand this is your guys first transdermal product?

60 percent absorption rate is pretty high, looking forward to comparing this to other transdermals I have used in the past.
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No my friend it is Mrsupps.coms second transdermal product. They already sell forma-stanzol which has been proven to be very powerful If you check this very thread you will find some people who have used every transdermal formastane product in the book and as they say "forma-stanzol" is by far the best one they have ever used"

Thank you so much for posting my friend. I hope to see more of you.
 
Totally out of curiosity, but do the beta testers get any cycle support supps or pct products, or just the chlorathoxy? Not that i really care either way as chlorathoxy alone is ****ing pimp, but id like to make some orders now if not.
 
poopypants said:
Ya I'm kinda wonderin bout this as well and what all has gone into this td solution... if dmso is included I can see it raising rates above that of typical solutions but even then it would be tough to get that high and the solution would allow foor all sorts of other crap to go sysematic including some parts of typical solutions you don't want over absorbed....

This is one thing I'm very interested in as when I made my td 4-ad I did a ton of research on trying to concoct my own solution and ended up purchasing np's penetrate cause it had solid science behind it and basically just as good an absorbtion rate as any without dmso included....

Since then primordial perfomance has come out with new very effective and mostly natural td solution that imo is the best out to date, reading their site you can even buy "blank" solution and add in your own stuff... been tempted to but honestly don't have a need with the lack of bulk powder hormones out now..... ahh the days when you could by ph's in bulk powder....

Any chance we can get more info on what in the td solution? Even if its by pm since we will be taking this stuff???
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same as used for the forma-stanzol..
I think people are getting confused because some one said this was the first transdermal made by Mrsupps.com when it fact it is not.

As I has siad before in this thread and also in other threads. It is by far the best trasdermal there is, and people who have been using transdermals and spent years studding them agree. You will love it trust me
 
needtogetmuscle said:
No my friend it is Mrsupps.coms second transdermal product. They already sell forma-stanzol which has been proven to be very powerful If you check this very thread you will find some people who have used every transdermal formastane product in the book and as they say "forma-stanzol" is by far the best one they have ever used"

Thank you so much for posting my friend. I hope to see more of you.
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My bad, looking forward to testing it
 
needtogetmuscle said:
I have learned a thing or two lol.. I am lucky enough to be the Executive Elite mod/admin of the largest steroid forum in the world. And have been for about 3 years now. Before that I was the head mod,before that a super mod,before that a mod, before that a member for a few years lol..

For the past 7 years I have invested my entire life into this industry. I have a pretty long list of qualifications I have amassed through my life and I continually try to add to this list and better my self so that I can better serve others. Here is a small list of some things I have achieved in my life on top of being a head mod and admin of the largest steroid forum in the world.

1. Years of study and practical knowledge in the field of
chemical enhancement
2. Years of personal experience with the effects of chemical enhancement
3. Proven ability to mentor people in accomplishing their goals through the use of chemical enhancing compounds and supplements
4. Years of being an active member in the AAS community resulting in an unwavering respect for my advice.
5. Known for being on the cutting edge of new and better AAS and supplements.
6. A masters degree in Culinary Arts (Cambridge School of Culinary Arts) and published other of "The Anabolic Kitchen" sold world wide.
7. Associates degree in small business Management.
8. Owner of 4 successful businesses in various industries. Supplements,Media management,MMA/sports, and writing.
9. Certificates in Organic chemistry.Organic Chemistry II,Advanced Organic Chemistry,and Synthetic Organic Chemistry II (Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
10. 6 years of self edification for every topic from
training and diet to advanced steroid and chemical enhancement
11. Mentored by industry leaders.
12. 4 Years US ARMY. List of training
A. US Army Airborn training
B. Us Army jungle training
C. US army Air assault training
D Us army Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP)
G. US Army Food service training and advanced Culinary Arts training.
H. US army Hosp food service and nutrition specialist ( US Amry Academy of Health Sciences)
13. Serve safe certifide
14. dietitian certifide
15. over 150 published Articles and quotes of my work.
16. Worked as a product rep for over 20 different companies in the industry from primordialperformance to smaller companies like JAM. With every company I worked for I excelled and made the rank of #1 selling product rep with every single company. ( because I put people first I bet)
17. currently in school now. Everglades University
Bachelor of Science Degree in Alternative Medicine

Yes with all I do I still find the time to go to school and learn more. Of course having the ability to go to collage online helps out big time. I spend my life helping the people around me on these forums and finding better ways I can do this. If I am not helping some one then I am learning more so that I can help some one loll....

This industry, these forums, and the people here. They are my job,my friends,my family,my loved ones, my free time, my pass time, my entertainment, my way of life, and my everything. Yes I live my entire life infront of this computer screen. Except the times I do get off to spend with my wife and kids.

I stop working Friday night around 8pm and don't get back on till about 2-3pm sunday. That whole time is spent with no one but my wife and kids. Other then that every other second of my life is right here on my computer doing everything I can to be a huge part of this industry. A better part of it for everyone. Because I truly feel people deserve better then what they have been getting.
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Nate you've accomplished a lot buddy! Congratulations on that big list, sounds like you're a busy man!

I must say, It's an honor to be working with you :D
 
thebigt said:
i told you that words are words and results are results. well the results speak for themselves-BEST FORMESTANE PRODUCT-

PERIOD.



you have trully mastered transdermal delivery-i have no doubt the ph will be fantastic.
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Thank you my man. I put a lot of work into any and every product I formulate. Anything I am putting my name on has to be the best of the best.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
ZamaMan,
I really do not wish for you to walk away feeling like you were slighted for any reason. Miss communication happens all the time on the internet good bro. Its one of the downfalls in not talking face to face, man to man with people. We do not have the luxury of knowing exactly what each other is trying to convey at all times or being able to seal the deal with eye contact and a hand shake.

this of course some times leads to problems. Problems I try and do everything I can to avoid or make right when I have the power to do so. My good Sir in a effort to make things right I would like to offer you free bottles of chlorathoxy "when the product is ready for sale" and the first run of the product is made. So you will get two free bottles of the finished product when it is perfect. I am almost positive the version we have now will be the final version but Beta testing will prov one way or the other on that.

Right or wrong on ether side I just want everyone to be friends, have respect for each other, and know that I am a honest man running a honest company. I do not own the Mrsupps.com company however I am pretty much in charge of almost every part of it. My name is attached to it and my name is one of my most important resources to me.

So My friend I hope my offer is one that can leave you feeling peaceful and happy about the way I do business. I hope you can feel good about supporting not only mrsupps.com but also Me as a person too.

I will send you a pm my man. Bust wishes to you.
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All I can say is wow!!!! I heard you were a good but man, wow that's so awesome of you to do for me. And I appreciate it more than I can tell you. =] I was intrigued from the start with this product, and now I can wait to run it. Very excited. Since your hooking me up like this, to show my appreciation I will of course log it for you guys to show everyone the great results.

Thanks again for doing this for me and for being on the cutting edge in designing these products.

Your freind
Sal
 
Souunds siiiiick!! Very excited to run this the more I find out about it!

You said something special was done to the compounds themselves in order to increase absorbtion... would this be something similar to micronization to improve its ability to go into solution? I couldn't think any thing diff since most of what decides what's functional as a td is a compounds mw and there's no really changing that without changing the chemical structure itself.... could only think making sure it was into solution as good as possible would improve this....

Any news on when these are going out to testers? Wanting to get started on this all the sooner with these teasers here!
 
Needto your presence on here is starting to grow bigger and bigger. I get excited to read your posts when I see you have posted as many others are starting to feel the same way. Glad you are here, and thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us, and sometimes, your wealth in general.

Thanks a bunch from all of us. You are a man of your word.
 
ryansm said:
I have been out of the game for awhile so I guess there are new ways in doing things, but I have noticed here that you are advising the use of a steroidal AI in pct (forma-stanzol)? I know that suppression with formestane is dose dependent, but wouldn't you want to avoid any suppression in pct?
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Yes you are correct it is "dose dependent" and at a 5 pumps twice a day dose you are not getting anywhere near the rate which is needed to convert to a anabolic or cause any suppression. In order for there to be enough anabolic ativity to cause suppression you would need around 800-1000mg/day

Notwithstanding the fact that 4-hydroxyandrostenedione is also a weak prohormone to the anabolic steroid 4-hydroxytestosterone "As an aromatase inhibitor", It still dominates with noteworthy testosterone stimulating properties. Any androgenic activity it may have (at dose dependent high levels) is more than compensated for by its unyielding capability to lower estrogen levels. This action, of course, reduces the suppressive signal estrogen sends to your brain (estrogen is one of the main feedback signal to regulate the release of testosterone and also reduces skeletal growth by decreasing somatomedin levels reducing quick growth and quick recovery during pct), thus significantly magnifying the testicular production of testosterone. In-vivo human studies show clearly that 4-hydroxyandrostenedione will suppress estrogen concentrations at levels that were not high enough to suppress gonadotropins. Studies using 250mg to 500mg of 4-hydroxyandrostenedione injected every 2 weeks, or oral doses as high as 1000mg daily have failed to show any notable suppressive effect towards testosterone concentrations.

On the contrary When formastane has been given to men, including oral doses as high as 500mg (well above forma-stanzols recommended pct dose), we have seen no measurable decrease to serm level testosterone and only a substantial increases in serum testosterone concentrations.

When used during pct after a cycle of prohormones, designer supplements or steroids forma-stanzol offers many exclusive and uncommon benefits .During PCT The main focus is to bring back testosterone as quickly as possible and minimize muscle lose well being in a hypoandrogenic state. During pct you no longer have a out side source of androgens well at the same time your body is also not producing its own androgens.


Most pct's consist of some kind of serm (estrogen blocker) and often a estrogen reducer if one were smart ( to reduce estrogen rebound and again further/re suppression ) This is because of ther effects estrogen blockers and Ai's have on testosterone release.


Formastane at the lower end of dosing will reduce estrogen which will intern increase testosterone. It will also bring progesterone/prolactin back to normal. formastane also lowers shbg and raises IGF significantly. Something that most if not all pct products or other serms on the market neglect when it comes to post Nandro compounds. All of which are great qualities to have in any pct and qualities that most serms and Ai's lack!!


Now Keep in mind Forma-stanzol is not "just" formastane.


Now Forma-stanzol also has
7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone that passes the blood brain barrier and blocks the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex. This also has posative nerotropic effects as well as posative effects on sex drive and feeling of well being. 7,8 benzo is also yet another powerful Natural Phytoserm.

Then we added Chrysin
Chrysin is a natural phytoserm that works much better when used topically. It is also able to stimulate nitric oxide release from endothelial cells leading to vascular cGMP accumulation and subsequent endothelium dependent vascular relaxation. Chrysin stimulated nitric oxide release is calcium independent and possibly mediated via PI3-kinase.Chrysin is able to suppress liposacharide-induced COX-2 Protein and mRNA expression in a dose-dependent manner. Nuclear factor for IL-6 has been identified as responsible for the Chrysin -mediated COX-2 downregulation.
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In other words it also helps your muscles absorb Protein and also gives better pumps in the gym and works as a serm.


Chrysin has one other property that could add to its pct potential. A major problem during pct is stress,anxiety, and mood due to unstable hormone levels. In a study published in Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior (1994), mice were injected with diazepam (Valium), chrysin, or placebo to evaluate the effects these substances had on anxiety and performance levels. Chrysin was shown to produce anti-anxiety effects comparable with diazepam, but without sedation and muscle relaxation (301). In other words, chrysin produced a relaxing effect in the brain, but with no impairment of motor activity. The mechanism of action of chrysin was compared to diazepam, and it was shown that unlike diazepam, chrysin can reduce anxiety without inducing the common side-effects associated with benzodiazepine drugs.

In other words Its like feeling so damn good its almost like you took a Valium
yet non of the bad side effects come with it.



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^^ you can refer to this study to see how both 7,8 benzo and chrysin are of the most powerful phytoserm flavones to date.


Froma-stanzol then adds diindolylmethane (dim) which some have given up on because of its poor bioavlablity however Diindolylmethane has a molecular weight of 246 and is oil-soluble compound. diindolylmethane is highly stable, doesn't need any conversion in stomach acid, and is by far one of the most active phytochemical to date. With the right delivery system this is very powerful stuff.

For you transdermal gear heads out there I was looking through my studies and I am sure you will like this Invalid Link Removed (unrelated to a degree but felt like throwing it in there lmao)

Note even thinking about pct but right out the gate in needs to be noted that Diindolylmethane is the only molecule known in the biomedical field that has direct anti-cancer properties and immune modulating properties. However staying healthy can greatly effect recovery if you think about it. Also well we are on the subject steroids like testosterone are well known to impair the
immune system. Anabolic steroids reduce the amounts of immune
globulin A, G, and M in the blood. These proteins, known medically as IgA, IgG, and IgM, are part of the body's humoral immune system.

You may find it very interesting that Dim counteracts these effects to a degree Invalid Link Removed

Dim is naturally-occurring indole that affects the metabolism of chemical carcinogens. Researchers have also conclude DIM could play a critical role in the bodys response to environmental carcinogens!! With all the chemicals we are dealing with when it comes to cycles One could say this is some pretty good stuff to consider just for these reasons alone.

Invalid Link Removed

Let me brake down another posative aspect in very simple terms so everyone can understand what DIM also does for the system.


DIM modulates Interferon-Gamma sensitivity by increasing the formation of its receptors on cell surfaces. What this means is that DIM forces the cells that are dangerous or harmful to health to be unable to hide from the immune system as effectively as they normally would, enabling the immune system to recognize them as unhealthy cells then attack and kill them. What is very fascinating and quite exciting is that DIM has absolutely no effect on normal cells. It simple helps the body recognize any unhealthy cells in the body so they can be found and destroyed .

virally infected cells are the ones that DIM helps to display more efficiently to the body's natural defense system leading to their destruction. It almost works like a molecular alarm system alarming the body to where the problem exists so that the body can orchestrate its normal attacking mechanisms against such cells.

Now who in there right mind can say thats not perfect for on cycle or pct use ^^^ Thank you very much!!!

Moving on
testosterone converts to estrogen naturally then breaks down into "bad"and "good" estrogen metabolites. The GOOD Vs bad ratio of estrogen metabolites is increased by DIM, thus resulting in lower bad estrogen metabolites and Higher good. This could also explain to a degree why Dim
increases the immune system and its response as we all know "good estrogen" is partly responsible for healthy immune system.

DIM blocks the estrogen, interfering with them at The ER. This raises the ratio of testosterone to estrogen. With DIM causing more testosterone to be freed.

Why dim works synergistic with formastane to make the perfect product for on cycle use as well as pct.

From an anabolic point of view, the level of free testosterone rises in the blood with use of diindolylmethane. The mechanism behind this is that 2-hydroxy estrogens have a greater binding affinity for the blood proteins that "lock up" testosterone in the blood. Thus, these plasma binding proteins instead latch on to 2-hydroxy, leaving greater levels of free testosterone, including that produced through the use of steroids and chemical hormones!


moreover The 2-hydroxy estrogens promoted by usage of DIM also increase testosterone synthesis through another mechanism. Estrogen, even more than testosterone itself, incurs a negative hormonal feedback loop to the pituitary gland, where the rate-limiting gonadotropin for testosterone synthesis, luteinizing hormone (LH) is synthesized and released. What this means is that high blood levels of estrogen, as may occur through aromatization of free testosterone, turn off the release of LH from the pituitary gland. This leads to a vicious biochemical cycle characterized by an imbalance between testosterone and estrogen in favor of the latter. These events, however, are nullified by 2-hydroxy, which doesn't provide the negative feedback message to the pituitary induced by estrogen. The net effect is greater testosterone synthesis in the Leydig cells of the testes, as well as lower levels of bad estrogen and all the effects that go with it.


All of this ^^^^ this means a higher sex drive, better moods, muscle building , bone-strengthening , immune system boosting, synergistic enhancement of both natural and synthetic androgens ,and everything needed for good recovery or on cycle use.

Last In my formula I added a compound thats not very well known to the steroid world but its common in the Holistic health field. Horse Chestnut Seed Extract

In holistic Medicine chestnut extract has been used for Poor blood flow in the veins, significant reduction in edema, and other health reasons. In fact, in Germany, more prescriptions are written for the oral, standardized horsechestnut extract as a treatment for chronic venous insufficiency and or related circulatory problems than for any other drug or supplement

As for the mechanism of action, the escin component (triterpene saponins) of horsechestnut extract acts by reducing capillary permeability to water, essentially helping to seal off the escape of water out of veins into the extravascular space. It has also been shown to improve tone of connective tissues within veins and block the breakdown of ground substance (proteoglycans), which provides important structural integrity to veins. Horsechestnut seed ingredients have been shown to inhibit the enzymes that break down these important proteoglycans and to inhibit lysosomal enzymes and hyaluronidase enzyme, both of which are known to break down tissue structure. Horsechestnut seed extract has also been shown to possess antioxidant properties. The combination of these effects accounts for the ability of this supplement to reduce localized edema and inflammation, and increase venous pressure and flow. More recent studies indicate that aescin (extracted from horse chestnut seeds) may also possess anti-inflammatory effects useful in reducing swelling caused by excess fluid.

Horse chestnut extract in short pulls water out of the skin and pushes it into the veins and muscles. Locking/sealing it in cause better blood flow,thinner skin,thicker muscles,and everything associated with stronger veins/blood flow. you can literally feel it tightening up your skin within minutes of application and not long after feel its enhancing effects on veins and muscle blood flow.

Horse chestnut helps to strengthen your veins, which can prevent water retention and enhance vascularity. Your veins hold over 60% of your body’s blood volume, and their job is to carry that blood back to your heart. This means that they must be able to rapidly adjust to the increased demand for blood that occurs when you’re lifting weights. At this time, your body needs more oxygen and nutrients. To deliver these, your body increases its heart rate and thus the amount of blood it is able to eject. Your veins respond by stiffening to help deliver the oxygen-depleted blood back to your heart more quickly. At this point, the pressure forces some of the fluid out of your veins and into your body. This is a negative for bodybuilders because it creates a watery look and reduces your vascularity. Horse chestnut, though, helps prevent this natural leakage by reducing the gaps in your vein walls.


Horse Chestnut Seed Extract

contains active saponins called escins. These compounds stimulate the pituitary gland to release the hormone called "adrenocorticotrophic" hormone (ACTH) directly into the bloodstream. This hormone in turn triggers the adrenal cortex to produce adrenal androgens including dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA).



All in all my friend forma-stanzol is a unique product that can be used in many ways and you can bet our butt PCT is one of them. Thank you for bring this up and allowing me the chance to explain my self.
 
kevinhy said:
Totally out of curiosity, but do the beta testers get any cycle support supps or pct products, or just the chlorathoxy? Not that i really care either way as chlorathoxy alone is ****ing pimp, but id like to make some orders now if not.
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No my friend I am sorry but the testers are only getting the Chlorathoxy bro.
 
poopypants said:
Souunds siiiiick!! Very excited to run this the more I find out about it!

You said something special was done to the compounds themselves in order to increase absorbtion... would this be something similar to micronization to improve its ability to go into solution? I couldn't think any thing diff since most of what decides what's functional as a td is a compounds mw and there's no really changing that without changing the chemical structure itself.... could only think making sure it was into solution as good as possible would improve this....

Any news on when these are going out to testers? Wanting to get started on this all the sooner with these teasers here!
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The first round of 6 testers in this thread had there products shipped already and you will be getting them this week some time. The other 4 testers on this forum will get them shortly after and so will other people for testing on other sites.
 
EasyEJL said:
One thing i've wanted to ask, but keep forgetting is how much in ml 10 pumps is?
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I can only speculate here, but from what I have seen(in pictures) if it is anything like Forma-Stanzol(which has the same carrier) 10 pumps isnt that much. Just revisted the pics. 10 pumps of Forma-Stanzol is 1ml. Now obviously it might not be the exact same but this probably gives u a good idea.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
Yes you are correct it is "dose dependent" and at a 5 pumps twice a day dose you are not getting anywhere near the rate which is needed to convert to a anabolic or cause any suppression. In order for there to be enough anabolic ativity to cause suppression you would need around 800-1000mg/day

Notwithstanding the fact that 4-hydroxyandrostenedione is also a weak prohormone to the anabolic steroid 4-hydroxytestosterone "As an aromatase inhibitor", It still dominates with noteworthy testosterone stimulating properties. Any androgenic activity it may have (at dose dependent high levels) is more than compensated for by its unyielding capability to lower estrogen levels. This action, of course, reduces the suppressive signal estrogen sends to your brain (estrogen is one of the main feedback signal to regulate the release of testosterone and also reduces skeletal growth by decreasing somatomedin levels reducing quick growth and quick recovery during pct), thus significantly magnifying the testicular production of testosterone. In-vivo human studies show clearly that 4-hydroxyandrostenedione will suppress estrogen concentrations at levels that were not high enough to suppress gonadotropins. Studies using 250mg to 500mg of 4-hydroxyandrostenedione injected every 2 weeks, or oral doses as high as 1000mg daily have failed to show any notable suppressive effect towards testosterone concentrations.

On the contrary When formastane has been given to men, including oral doses as high as 500mg (well above forma-stanzols recommended pct dose), we have seen no measurable decrease to serm level testosterone and only a substantial increases in serum testosterone concentrations.

When used during pct after a cycle of prohormones, designer supplements or steroids forma-stanzol offers many exclusive and uncommon benefits .During PCT The main focus is to bring back testosterone as quickly as possible and minimize muscle lose well being in a hypoandrogenic state. During pct you no longer have a out side source of androgens well at the same time your body is also not producing its own androgens.


Most pct's consist of some kind of serm (estrogen blocker) and often a estrogen reducer if one were smart ( to reduce estrogen rebound and again further/re suppression ) This is because of ther effects estrogen blockers and Ai's have on testosterone release.


Formastane at the lower end of dosing will reduce estrogen which will intern increase testosterone. It will also bring progesterone/prolactin back to normal. formastane also lowers shbg and raises IGF significantly. Something that most if not all pct products or other serms on the market neglect when it comes to post Nandro compounds. All of which are great qualities to have in any pct and qualities that most serms and Ai's lack!!


Now Keep in mind Forma-stanzol is not "just" formastane.


Now Forma-stanzol also has
7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone that passes the blood brain barrier and blocks the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex. This also has posative nerotropic effects as well as posative effects on sex drive and feeling of well being. 7,8 benzo is also yet another powerful Natural Phytoserm.

Then we added Chrysin
Chrysin is a natural phytoserm that works much better when used topically. It is also able to stimulate nitric oxide release from endothelial cells leading to vascular cGMP accumulation and subsequent endothelium dependent vascular relaxation. Chrysin stimulated nitric oxide release is calcium independent and possibly mediated via PI3-kinase.Chrysin is able to suppress liposacharide-induced COX-2 Protein and mRNA expression in a dose-dependent manner. Nuclear factor for IL-6 has been identified as responsible for the Chrysin -mediated COX-2 downregulation.
Invalid Link Removed
In other words it also helps your muscles absorb Protein and also gives better pumps in the gym and works as a serm.


Chrysin has one other property that could add to its pct potential. A major problem during pct is stress,anxiety, and mood due to unstable hormone levels. In a study published in Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior (1994), mice were injected with diazepam (Valium), chrysin, or placebo to evaluate the effects these substances had on anxiety and performance levels. Chrysin was shown to produce anti-anxiety effects comparable with diazepam, but without sedation and muscle relaxation (301). In other words, chrysin produced a relaxing effect in the brain, but with no impairment of motor activity. The mechanism of action of chrysin was compared to diazepam, and it was shown that unlike diazepam, chrysin can reduce anxiety without inducing the common side-effects associated with benzodiazepine drugs.

In other words Its like feeling so damn good its almost like you took a Valium
yet non of the bad side effects come with it.



Invalid Link Removed
^^ you can refer to this study to see how both 7,8 benzo and chrysin are of the most powerful phytoserm flavones to date.


Froma-stanzol then adds diindolylmethane (dim) which some have given up on because of its poor bioavlablity however Diindolylmethane has a molecular weight of 246 and is oil-soluble compound. diindolylmethane is highly stable, doesn't need any conversion in stomach acid, and is by far one of the most active phytochemical to date. With the right delivery system this is very powerful stuff.

For you transdermal gear heads out there I was looking through my studies and I am sure you will like this Invalid Link Removed (unrelated to a degree but felt like throwing it in there lmao)

Note even thinking about pct but right out the gate in needs to be noted that Diindolylmethane is the only molecule known in the biomedical field that has direct anti-cancer properties and immune modulating properties. However staying healthy can greatly effect recovery if you think about it. Also well we are on the subject steroids like testosterone are well known to impair the
immune system. Anabolic steroids reduce the amounts of immune
globulin A, G, and M in the blood. These proteins, known medically as IgA, IgG, and IgM, are part of the body's humoral immune system.

You may find it very interesting that Dim counteracts these effects to a degree Invalid Link Removed

Dim is naturally-occurring indole that affects the metabolism of chemical carcinogens. Researchers have also conclude DIM could play a critical role in the bodys response to environmental carcinogens!! With all the chemicals we are dealing with when it comes to cycles One could say this is some pretty good stuff to consider just for these reasons alone.

Invalid Link Removed

Let me brake down another posative aspect in very simple terms so everyone can understand what DIM also does for the system.


DIM modulates Interferon-Gamma sensitivity by increasing the formation of its receptors on cell surfaces. What this means is that DIM forces the cells that are dangerous or harmful to health to be unable to hide from the immune system as effectively as they normally would, enabling the immune system to recognize them as unhealthy cells then attack and kill them. What is very fascinating and quite exciting is that DIM has absolutely no effect on normal cells. It simple helps the body recognize any unhealthy cells in the body so they can be found and destroyed .

virally infected cells are the ones that DIM helps to display more efficiently to the body's natural defense system leading to their destruction. It almost works like a molecular alarm system alarming the body to where the problem exists so that the body can orchestrate its normal attacking mechanisms against such cells.

Now who in there right mind can say thats not perfect for on cycle or pct use ^^^ Thank you very much!!!

Moving on
testosterone converts to estrogen naturally then breaks down into "bad"and "good" estrogen metabolites. The GOOD Vs bad ratio of estrogen metabolites is increased by DIM, thus resulting in lower bad estrogen metabolites and Higher good. This could also explain to a degree why Dim
increases the immune system and its response as we all know "good estrogen" is partly responsible for healthy immune system.

DIM blocks the estrogen, interfering with them at The ER. This raises the ratio of testosterone to estrogen. With DIM causing more testosterone to be freed.

Why dim works synergistic with formastane to make the perfect product for on cycle use as well as pct.

From an anabolic point of view, the level of free testosterone rises in the blood with use of diindolylmethane. The mechanism behind this is that 2-hydroxy estrogens have a greater binding affinity for the blood proteins that "lock up" testosterone in the blood. Thus, these plasma binding proteins instead latch on to 2-hydroxy, leaving greater levels of free testosterone, including that produced through the use of steroids and chemical hormones!


moreover The 2-hydroxy estrogens promoted by usage of DIM also increase testosterone synthesis through another mechanism. Estrogen, even more than testosterone itself, incurs a negative hormonal feedback loop to the pituitary gland, where the rate-limiting gonadotropin for testosterone synthesis, luteinizing hormone (LH) is synthesized and released. What this means is that high blood levels of estrogen, as may occur through aromatization of free testosterone, turn off the release of LH from the pituitary gland. This leads to a vicious biochemical cycle characterized by an imbalance between testosterone and estrogen in favor of the latter. These events, however, are nullified by 2-hydroxy, which doesn't provide the negative feedback message to the pituitary induced by estrogen. The net effect is greater testosterone synthesis in the Leydig cells of the testes, as well as lower levels of bad estrogen and all the effects that go with it.


All of this ^^^^ this means a higher sex drive, better moods, muscle building , bone-strengthening , immune system boosting, synergistic enhancement of both natural and synthetic androgens ,and everything needed for good recovery or on cycle use.

Last In my formula I added a compound thats not very well known to the steroid world but its common in the Holistic health field. Horse Chestnut Seed Extract

In holistic Medicine chestnut extract has been used for Poor blood flow in the veins, significant reduction in edema, and other health reasons. In fact, in Germany, more prescriptions are written for the oral, standardized horsechestnut extract as a treatment for chronic venous insufficiency and or related circulatory problems than for any other drug or supplement

As for the mechanism of action, the escin component (triterpene saponins) of horsechestnut extract acts by reducing capillary permeability to water, essentially helping to seal off the escape of water out of veins into the extravascular space. It has also been shown to improve tone of connective tissues within veins and block the breakdown of ground substance (proteoglycans), which provides important structural integrity to veins. Horsechestnut seed ingredients have been shown to inhibit the enzymes that break down these important proteoglycans and to inhibit lysosomal enzymes and hyaluronidase enzyme, both of which are known to break down tissue structure. Horsechestnut seed extract has also been shown to possess antioxidant properties. The combination of these effects accounts for the ability of this supplement to reduce localized edema and inflammation, and increase venous pressure and flow. More recent studies indicate that aescin (extracted from horse chestnut seeds) may also possess anti-inflammatory effects useful in reducing swelling caused by excess fluid.

Horse chestnut extract in short pulls water out of the skin and pushes it into the veins and muscles. Locking/sealing it in cause better blood flow,thinner skin,thicker muscles,and everything associated with stronger veins/blood flow. you can literally feel it tightening up your skin within minutes of application and not long after feel its enhancing effects on veins and muscle blood flow.

Horse chestnut helps to strengthen your veins, which can prevent water retention and enhance vascularity. Your veins hold over 60% of your body’s blood volume, and their job is to carry that blood back to your heart. This means that they must be able to rapidly adjust to the increased demand for blood that occurs when you’re lifting weights. At this time, your body needs more oxygen and nutrients. To deliver these, your body increases its heart rate and thus the amount of blood it is able to eject. Your veins respond by stiffening to help deliver the oxygen-depleted blood back to your heart more quickly. At this point, the pressure forces some of the fluid out of your veins and into your body. This is a negative for bodybuilders because it creates a watery look and reduces your vascularity. Horse chestnut, though, helps prevent this natural leakage by reducing the gaps in your vein walls.


Horse Chestnut Seed Extract

contains active saponins called escins. These compounds stimulate the pituitary gland to release the hormone called "adrenocorticotrophic" hormone (ACTH) directly into the bloodstream. This hormone in turn triggers the adrenal cortex to produce adrenal androgens including dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA).



All in all my friend forma-stanzol is a unique product that can be used in many ways and you can bet our butt PCT is one of them. Thank you for bring this up and allowing me the chance to explain my self.
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LET ME BREAK IT DOWN EVEN MORE-FORMA-STANZOL IS GREAT STUFF!!!
 
nattydisaster said:
Ive only read the first post in this thread. Whats the point of using these transdermally?

They are perfectly fine oral. Now you're reducing the absorption by about 80%
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potency i assume... i think i read on here that the potency is higher than the oral... i might be wrong

"Please keep in mind that when using a hormone trasndermal it is a lot more powerful then when used orally. So less is needed my friend. The combined effect of both compounds put into a twice a day transdermal dose will be very effective my friend and pretty powerful.

We are also using a secret method of making the compounds that will make them twice as powerful when using them in a transdermal. That is all I can and or will say but trust me the results will be seen and felt by the users."
 
muscl3s said:
potency i assume... i think i read on here that the potency is higher than the oral... i might be wrong

"Please keep in mind that when using a hormone trasndermal it is a lot more powerful then when used orally. So less is needed my friend. The combined effect of both compounds put into a twice a day transdermal dose will be very effective my friend and pretty powerful.

We are also using a secret method of making the compounds that will make them twice as powerful when using them in a transdermal. That is all I can and or will say but trust me the results will be seen and felt by the users."
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Awaiting for the science on this...
 
nattydisaster said:
Awaiting for the science on this...
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Hey Natty welcome to the thread :)

I believe they have made a slight change to the structure making halodrols conversion to turinobal well over 40 percent. Regular oral halodrol is nowhere near this. They've also made it more bioavailable as a transdermal than orally. Oral absorbtions are very poor compared to clorothoxy...

As to the hows it has been done... Needto knows the knitty gritty but this product is still in beta testing so we will have to wait and see how effective it really is. Once the results are in we will know if all this^ worked as expected to. There is info scattered around in here too Natty.
 
Wow Needto thanks for the explanation, and the sources, you really impressed me with your post.
 
So I went to check the mail and lo and behold Chlorothoxy was waiting inside. I will get my log started
 
chocolatemilk said:
Hey Natty welcome to the thread :)

I believe they have made a slight change to the structure making halodrols conversion to turinobal well over 40 percent. Regular oral halodrol is nowhere near this. They've also made it more bioavailable as a transdermal than orally. Oral absorbtions are very poor compared to clorothoxy...

As to the hows it has been done... Needto knows the knitty gritty but this product is still in beta testing so we will have to wait and see how effective it really is. Once the results are in we will know if all this^ worked as expected to. There is info scattered around in here too Natty.
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Interesting product.

But reread the nomenclature of the molecule, nothing has been changed with it. It is halo, in a trans-dermal.

I will reserve my thoughts.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Interesting product.

But reread the nomenclature of the molecule, nothing has been changed with it. It is halo, in a trans-dermal.

I will reserve my thoughts.
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Welcome DAdams good to have you :)

Very interesting indeed. Well I wasn't too sure that's why I said I believe. The methyl group is out for sure but there was definitely some tweaking around going on. Needto can explain this for you brother... this product is fresh off out of the oven so only the chef knows enough about it.

And our chef Needto is well trusted in here to deliver. That's why we're all eager to see how the testing goes.
 
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