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As promised Mrsupps.com Chlorathoxy!! now ready for testing sign up my friends

With my experience in the past with transdermals there is a BIG difference from the methylated compound, and the non-methylated compound. 1-T and M1-T were vastly different animals. If you can allow a better conversion to the parent hormone, and then have the absorption rate that a transdermal can provide I would expect Chlorathoxy to have really strong, and unique effects. The Lmg was unmethylated to begin with so the transdermal would certainly make it more potent. My only concern is that, from past memories, I remember Lmg being discussed for transdermal use, but something about it not being conducive for this? I'll see if I can find something...
 
If you check the whole last page we were just talking about it....
Personally id take soomething simple for prolactin inhibition and also something like cycle assist that will help with prostate health and blood pressure.... its not a methyl so liver protection isn't that big a worry for that exact issue although you should know most high protien diets can even stress the liver and that's why I actually take a "cycle support" complex when I'm working out period, cycle or not.
Nothingman said:
Nice,

Ok I have Clomd and Tamoxifen on hand already for pct (Im not afraid to overkill in pct)
What are you guys recomending for support sups if any?
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poopypants said:
I had just stocked up on bulk when it was available a couple years ago.... just about out myself now.... down to my last couple caps... will have to either get powerfull or l-dopa but I don't think it will be half as good as uspl's extract....

Ill be gettin some zmk from mellinnium tech. It has a decent dose of p-5-p in it and that should be good enough for preventative measures.
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I was just going to grab some source naturals p5p from iherb, its like 10 bucks at a nice dose.
 
Hey fella's.

Whats the fav for this stuff Bulking or Cut? I know Halo is favored for cutting on this forum but this is 2 compounds in one. I'm thinking I might just do maintanance and see which way it goes.
 
poopypants said:
If you check the whole last page we were just talking about it....
Personally id take soomething simple for prolactin inhibition and also something like cycle assist that will help with prostate health and blood pressure.... its not a methyl so liver protection isn't that big a worry for that exact issue although you should know most high protien diets can even stress the liver and that's why I actually take a "cycle support" complex when I'm working out period, cycle or not.
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Gotchya, I happen to have cycle assist in the cupbaord. I'll start popping them when my cycle starts.
 
ZamaMan said:
Wait you gave my log away while you were still waiting on other addresses? You could have waited till you had them all to boot me off your list man! Just saying
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What now you want to log it again? I don't understand man, I asked you in PM's a few times yes or no if you wanted it and you told me no. That you wanted to have 2 bottles. You had your chance.
 
max lmg is ethylated. you have different types of alkylation. methylation & ethylation being two of them.

13b ethylated norandrostendione is what max lmg becomes, and can then convert into 13b ethyl nor-testosterone.

cda will go in as chloro dehydro androstenediol (4chloro 1,4 androstenediol) and be converted into chloro dehydro testosterone (4chloro 1-dehydrotestosterone).

the 4chloro will prevent it from aromatizing, as well as interacting with the 5a reductase enzyme.
 
BarbellBeast said:
What now you want to log it again? I don't understand man, I asked you in PM's a few times yes or no if you wanted it and you told me no. That you wanted to have 2 bottles. You had your chance.
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What?!!! You didn't ask me multiple times. And I didn't say no I didn't want to run it, I said I would like to run it if I could get two bottles to run a good dosage OR if there was a good reason why this was this log was dosed very low, such as absorbtion rate or conversion rate. You couldn't awnser my question so I told you I would pm Nate for the scientific reason. You replied soon after and said Nate was a busy man and that you would just give it to someone else and thanks for applying.

I never didn't not want to run it as i was curious about a transdermal hormone run, but you said you couldn't wait for me to find out and you'd just give it to someone else.

I didn't like your decision but I was fine since beggers can't be choosers, but seeing that you were willing to wait for someone else but not for me to get my awnser to the low dosage, pissed me off because it was a real D Bag move for you.

Sorry if this message sounds mean spirit as it's not I just got mad when I saw the posts.
Well I'll stop cluttering up this thread with my crap and have great cycles guys.

Sal
 
Not trying to stir the pot but you came in here yourself and declined the log.... in your own words

Now if I need to just step out for this to be all happy since you can't make up your mind then so be it....

but what your saying bout bb beast isn't cool cause waiting for an addy from someone thata mia imo is much diff then having an active convo with someone who is wanting double or nothing on a volunteer for what's offered testers log....

Just sayin....
 
poopypants said:
Not trying to stir the pot but you came in here yourself and declined the log.... in your own words

Now if I need to just step out for this to be all happy since you can't make up your mind then so be it....

but what your saying bout bb beast isn't cool cause waiting for an addy from someone thata mia imo is much diff then having an active convo with someone who is wanting double or nothing on a volunteer for what's offered testers log....

Just sayin....
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Thanks poopy :)

Zama you read Nates first post, it's beta testing for 1 bottle of the product, if you aren't happy with the doses, then why did you sign up? I can't believe you come in here and disrespect me like that after I tried to give you the opportunity to log our new product. I'm waiting on a guy that probably hasn't logged on and found out he won yet. You on the other hand kept giving me the run around about not knowing if you wanted to run it because the doses are let me quote
ZamaMan said:
50 mg of halo for 30 days seems like a joke to me, and it would not be a how I run my steroids.
Sal
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So I picked someone else, and I told you that in PM's.
 
jbryand101b said:
cda will go in as chloro dehydro androstenediol (4chloro 1,4 androstenediol) and be converted into chloro dehydro testosterone (4chloro 1-dehydrotestosterone).

the 4chloro will prevent it from aromatizing, as well as interacting with the 5a reductase enzyme.
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Interesting, and from what I understand this is your guys first transdermal product?

60 percent absorption rate is pretty high, looking forward to comparing this to other transdermals I have used in the past.
 
poopypants said:
Not trying to stir the pot but you came in here yourself and declined the log.... in your own words

Now if I need to just step out for this to be all happy since you can't make up your mind then so be it....

but what your saying bout bb beast isn't cool cause waiting for an addy from someone thata mia imo is much diff then having an active convo with someone who is wanting double or nothing on a volunteer for what's offered testers log....

Just sayin....
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No I would not dream of taking yours or anyone elses, as that's not cool. But thanks for even thinking of that. Again I did not ask for double or nothing I asked for double or to know if this dosage would be sufficent as running orals at these dosages would provide little gains. So again I had a question on weather this product could be ran at a lower dosage for a reason I didn't know.


I just wanted to appologize to Barbell beast as in hind sight I think I was a little harsh. So sorry bro.

None of this matters much in the long run so let's all drop it so I don't keep destroying nates thread here.
 
A company comes on here and says all you have to do is run a log and we will give you a product we are thinking of coming out with for free. And we get drama like this? It's a beta run, the whole point of beta runs is to the effectiveness of the product and determine what changes need to be made if any. The fact that we are doing a beta run should tell you that a lot of thought has already been put into the product including dosage.

Can we just get back on topic now?
 
ryansm said:
Interesting, and from what I understand this is your guys first transdermal product?

60 percent absorption rate is pretty high, looking forward to comparing this to other transdermals I have used in the past.
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Ya I'm kinda wonderin bout this as well and what all has gone into this td solution... if dmso is included I can see it raising rates above that of typical solutions but even then it would be tough to get that high and the solution would allow foor all sorts of other crap to go sysematic including some parts of typical solutions you don't want over absorbed....

This is one thing I'm very interested in as when I made my td 4-ad I did a ton of research on trying to concoct my own solution and ended up purchasing np's penetrate cause it had solid science behind it and basically just as good an absorbtion rate as any without dmso included....

Since then primordial perfomance has come out with new very effective and mostly natural td solution that imo is the best out to date, reading their site you can even buy "blank" solution and add in your own stuff... been tempted to but honestly don't have a need with the lack of bulk powder hormones out now..... ahh the days when you could by ph's in bulk powder....

Any chance we can get more info on what in the td solution? Even if its by pm since we will be taking this stuff???
 
BarbellBeast said:
Thanks poopy :)

Zama you read Nates first post, it's beta testing for 1 bottle of the product, if you aren't happy with the doses, then why did you sign up? I can't believe you come in here and disrespect me like that after I tried to give you the opportunity to log our new product. I'm waiting on a guy that probably hasn't logged on and found out he won yet. You on the other hand kept giving me the run around about not knowing if you wanted to run it because the doses are let me quote

So I picked someone else, and I told you that in PM's.
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Please dont partial qoute to make your story look better. You just "happened" to not qoute the other part of the convo where I said I would run it if there was a reason why the dose was so low, I wanted to know if it had a higher conversion rate or absorbtion rate. your the one who deceided not to awnser my question and deceided not to wait for me to find out the awnser...your the one who after 2 pms including the one asking for my address decieded nevermind you would rather give it to someone else.

If your gonna post a conversation why not post ALL of it! :cop: I did not keep giving you the run around as i believe we only passed 3 msgs, one was for the address, my question, and that I would check with nate. than you said no nevermind.

I was cool with your decision to give the log you originally gave to me away to someone else since you oviously couldnt wait for me to hear back from nate and didnt care to check the awnser to my question... Thats fine as its a free beta run so I cant really demand you to bend over backwards for me as Im not paying for it. It was just water under the bridge as far as I was concerned until I saw you were still waiting for someone else and I felt it was not cool to not wait for me to find out from nate, yet to wait for someone else to give you the address. THATS what pissed me off.

Ryan I totally agree and have already asked for people to just let it be, but when People bring stuff up and making me respond to set the story straight.


now AGAIN lets just let things be....its cool and I already apologized to barbell for attacking him verbally.

Happy cycleing to all the winners:drunk:
 
poopypants said:
Ya I'm kinda wonderin bout this as well and what all has gone into this td solution... if dmso is included I can see it raising rates above that of typical solutions but even then it would be tough to get that high and the solution would allow foor all sorts of other crap to go sysematic including some parts of typical solutions you don't want over absorbed....

This is one thing I'm very interested in as when I made my td 4-ad I did a ton of research on trying to concoct my own solution and ended up purchasing np's penetrate cause it had solid science behind it and basically just as good an absorbtion rate as any without dmso included....

Since then primordial perfomance has come out with new very effective and mostly natural td solution that imo is the best out to date, reading their site you can even buy "blank" solution and add in your own stuff... been tempted to but honestly don't have a need with the lack of bulk powder hormones out now..... ahh the days when you could by ph's in bulk powder....

Any chance we can get more info on what in the td solution? Even if its by pm since we will be taking this stuff???
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Ahh man bulk powder of SD. I'd be cuttin up some lines. HAHAHA

I say your best bet is get a hold of Nate or Russianstar. They should know a lot more about it. I haven't seen a write up on this product yet either. I'd be willing to beta test it for sure if I wasn't running X amount of stuffs right now ;)
 
poopypants said:
Ya I'm kinda wonderin bout this as well and what all has gone into this td solution... if dmso is included I can see it raising rates above that of typical solutions but even then it would be tough to get that high and the solution would allow foor all sorts of other crap to go sysematic including some parts of typical solutions you don't want over absorbed....

This is one thing I'm very interested in as when I made my td 4-ad I did a ton of research on trying to concoct my own solution and ended up purchasing np's penetrate cause it had solid science behind it and basically just as good an absorbtion rate as any without dmso included....

Since then primordial perfomance has come out with new very effective and mostly natural td solution that imo is the best out to date, reading their site you can even buy "blank" solution and add in your own stuff... been tempted to but honestly don't have a need with the lack of bulk powder hormones out now..... ahh the days when you could by ph's in bulk powder....

Any chance we can get more info on what in the td solution? Even if its by pm since we will be taking this stuff???
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I swear to god man its like you can read my mind and ask all the questions for me. I think it was a great choice to pick you as the additional logger.
 
poopypants said:
This is one thing I'm very interested in as when I made my td 4-ad I did a ton of research on trying to concoct my own solution and ended up purchasing np's penetrate cause it had solid science behind it and basically just as good an absorbtion rate as any without dmso included....

Since then primordial perfomance has come out with new very effective and mostly natural td solution that imo is the best out to date, reading their site you can even buy "blank" solution and add in your own stuff... been tempted to but honestly don't have a need with the lack of bulk powder hormones out now..... ahh the days when you could by ph's in bulk powder....
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Ya if I remember correctly Chemo, who owned the board before Bobo took over was the originator of the formula that NP took over. I have been gone for a while so I am not sure if the transdermal science has gotten better, but 40 percent was the highest back then. Regardless though if the product works well I'll be happy.
 
ryansm said:
Ya if I remember correctly Chemo, who owned the board before Bobo took over was the originator of the formula that NP took over. I have been gone for a while so I am not sure if the transdermal science has gotten better, but 40 percent was the highest back then. Regardless though if the product works well I'll be happy.
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Well not trying to steal the thunder from mrsupps and ntbm here but figured its still fitting since they are talkin the ts game now with some hefty numbers burt not much behind what's making it such a succesful solution.... yet....

Also wanted to fill ryan in and show a general ingredient list for what goes into td solutions now. And maybe we can see how chlorothoxy will compare....

Here's the ingredient list
Topical Solution Facts(For Topical Use Only) 1 pump = 1.8 m INGREDIENTS: * Distilled water, grape spirits*, aloe vera*, ethoxy diglycol dimethyl isosorbide, butylene glycol, jojoba oil, emu oil, squalene tocopherol acetate, chamomile extract* (matricaria recutita), isopropy myristate, green tea extract* (camellia sinensis), cetyl palmitate, sorbitan palmitate, sorbitan olivate, glyceryl stearate, PEG 100 stearate, glycerin dimethicone, strontium nitrate, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, d-Limonene, tetrahydropiperine†, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, sodium PCA sodium hydroxide* Certified Organic† US Patent 6,849,645 PENETRATE 2.0
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That's the improved version at that.... dunno if its even the same that I used a while ago....

Here's the ingredient list for pp's blank "Topical Solution"
Other Ingredients Distilled water, grape spirits*, aloe vera*, ethoxy diglycol, dimethy isosorbide, butylene glycol, jojoba oil, emu oil, squalene, tocophero acetate, chamomile extract* (matricaria recutita), isopropyl myristate, green tea extract* (camellia sinensis), cetyl palmitate, sorbitan palmitate, sorbitan olivate, glyceryl stearate, PEG 100 stearate glycerin, dimethicone, strontium nitrate, hydroxypropy methylcellulose, d-Limonene, tetrahydropiperine†, potassium sorbate sodium benzoate, sodium PCA, sodium hydroxide* Certified Organic† US Patent 6,849,645
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Lmao never freakin mind ..... looks like np has taken on primordials blank and relabeled it for their penetrate now..... look at the patent number... lmao

Well just goes to prove my point there for ya ryan, that the solution of past has since been definitely improved upon, so much so though that NP has let go of their tried and true formula for something else...

Even more so brings interest as to what could be in this new solution for chlorathoxy.... there's never any end all be all in the supplememnt world
 
kevinhy said:
I swear to god man its like you can read my mind and ask all the questions for me. I think it was a great choice to pick you as the additional logger.
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Right. I'm very glad to have him as a logger!

poopypants said:
Lmao never freakin mind ..... looks like np has taken on primordials blank and relabeled it for their penetrate now..... look at the patent number... lmao

Well just goes to prove my point there for ya ryan, that the solution of past has since been definitely improved upon, so much so though that NP has let go of their tried and true formula for something else...

Even more so brings interest as to what could be in this new solution for chlorathoxy.... there's never any end all be all in the supplememnt world
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Looks like you're doing some research poopy. Stoked to see how this works for you :D
 
I love being friends with a bunch of Mad Scientists. I'll let you guys do all this thinking and I'll just benefit from the products. I would never trust myself to mix my own gear gear ahahah.

Hey Fella's can we cover AI's a little more, I have read the entire post I'm just not very clear on all this progestin and prolactin stuff. I know what AI's are and what they do. But I havent read much passed estrogen. I have had experience on stuff like 6oxo etc and that **** made me pretty anxious and depressed.

I had no problemb with gyno on superdrol (2 cycles) and I hear that gyno on halo is pretty rare. I know that taking Nolva if gyno flares up will destroy a cycle. Looks like you guys have alot of preventitive measures aside for this. But having never had problems with gyno Would a simple OTC AI like Novadex cut it for me in cycle (If I have a peroblem)?
 
Lol wow it looks like I missed a lot. The 1 night I decide to go out and all this happens lol. Cant wait for more info and the logs to be started.
 
No, didn't get it yet, but I figure since my workout changes phases each monday I may as well start today.
 
thebigt said:
how fat can you be at 165?
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Nah Im like 177 now. I was 165 before my first M-DROL cycle ahahah. I aimed to put on 10 lbs and kept it worked. I'm probly not much higher in bf though. But I have been snacking more freely since fall began

Ahahaha and you know I'm not 3'6", I'm 3'7" with my shoes on!
 
Nothingman said:
Nah Im like 177 now. I was 165 before my first M-DROL cycle ahahah. I aimed to put on 10 lbs and kept it worked. I'm probly not much higher in bf though. But I have been snacking more freely since fall began

Ahahaha and you know I'm not 3'6", I'm 3'7" with my shoes on!
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LOL!
 
Nothingman said:
Nah Im like 177 now. I was 165 before my first M-DROL cycle ahahah. I aimed to put on 10 lbs and kept it worked. I'm probly not much higher in bf though. But I have been snacking more freely since fall began

Ahahaha and you know I'm not 3'6", I'm 3'7" with my shoes on!
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Hah!


Well i got my log started, ill keep that **** updated.


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Nothingman said:
Nah Im like 177 now. I was 165 before my first M-DROL cycle ahahah. I aimed to put on 10 lbs and kept it worked. I'm probly not much higher in bf though. But I have been snacking more freely since fall began

Ahahaha and you know I'm not 3'6", I'm 3'7" with my shoes on!
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i repped you for not being thin skinned!!! I LIKE THAT.
 
thebigt said:
i repped you for not being thin skinned!!! I LIKE THAT.
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Hahahah yeah trust me I'm not afraid to admit anything. Check out my log, it was my first ph in 12 years and I cried the whole time ahahah. It sucked but I basicly worked out all the bugs ahaha
 
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Ill be starting my sponsored log as soon as I receive the testing product but for all those interested I'm already running a cutting log in the general logs section, ya'l are free to join me until then for a good ol poopy time.
 
poopypants said:
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Ill be starting my sponsored log as soon as I receive the testing product but for all those interested I'm already running a cutting log in the general logs section, ya'l are free to join me until then for a good ol poopy time.
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Nice. Can't wait to see how this treats you.. Shall be interesting!
 
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