EasyEJL
Never enough
same as with any natural gh release as far as peaks go, however the trough isn't affected
Anabolics Disappearing? AppNut says....
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same as with any natural gh release as far as peaks go, however the trough isn't affected
EasyEJL
Never enough
well, the lethargy was there most noticeably in conjunction with prescription grade. Hard to say on skin tone, I wouldn't expect much change in 30 days anyhow. it was 2mg of CJC1295 a week
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
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Well, I will re-word my appraisal of HGH-Up...it will be revolutionary and ground breaking...for those who actually know WTF they are doing in regards to diet and training and for those who are dedicated to the pursuit of bodybuilding and physique enhancement. This will especially hold true for those who have years and years of experience doing so and who know how to listen to their bodies. In you're not in that category , like a lot of great supplements, you won't notice jack. Since the lemmings of BB.com have increasingly taken root here with their snipes and assessments of products based solely on taste and how much water weight they can put on, I felt the need to clarify my previous statement:stups:opworm:
Basically, just picture what happens if you gave some 20 year old newbie access to real HGH and had them do their usual crappy routine loaded with overtraining and bad diet choices.....They likely wouldn't notice much and would complain about lethargy and carpal tunnel. Give HGH to someone who's had years of training and diet experience, who has cut and bulked successfully many times and is in tune with their body and they'll love the results. I'm predicting that's what will happen with HGH-Up, GHenerate...great reviews alongside a bunch that claim it didn't do jack. Happened to Powerfull, IGF-2, PGH and PGHT and those were and are really good products as well.
you're my hero no homo
my turn to chime in
Got a little time to stop in and chime in here a bit. I recall Last yr around October time :cheers:frame when I was up at AN land ( right before I cut my thumb off lol ) and Dirk Began telling me about something in the distant future he wanted to produce. He began showing me initial research paperwork etc. This was Over a yr ago. In the last yr the man has done his research, order the product, tested for quality, experimented with diff dosages all before anyone even had an idea. It wasn't until the Arnold classic when things began to take shape and July when Inital beta's went to a select few for feedback. SO to quell the early arguments of " now that ph's are gone lets launch this **** bwahahha b) This is well over a yrs worth of testing. It just so happened to fall in line with the Raids etc.
In reality we all have inside connections with the FDA and they tell us when they are gonna raid so we can launch goodies around thier schedule.
Every product that we have put out ( and Yes I have been with AN since they launched ) They dont put any less then 6mos to a yr of testing and trying. ordering ingredients , following all qa standards etc.
With all that being said. I was able to grab some before i left for Texas on TDY. I will only post 2 comments on feedback
1st most noticable was sleep. Im talking deep sleep 5 yr old 8pm bed time sleep. SOlid deep. No waking up 4 times a night to piss, no random getting up to check the alarm clock all night ( yes I have real sleep issues and yes this happens to me all the time) I dont open my eyes until the alarm goes off, Its fantastic
2) this wasnt noticable until about 2 weeks in when I started getting the 16 yr old Hammers all morning and afternoon.
seriously I miss the old days of the solid wood that would hurt if you tried to move your ****. It all sucks because I am 1100 Miles away from the wifey so waking up in the morning and having to piss in the shower because I can't bend forward to piss in the toilet is getting old hahaahah
anywho regardless if my claims seem ridiculous or not, Im telling it like it is. Im old as **** and I feel fantastic on this
Tomahawk88
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That kind of sleep sounds amazing. Sign me up.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Just be sure that you don't sleep for 16-18 hours a day, like I was doing frequently! Trust me when I say that for a female who is less than half as light as the rest of the guys who were testing HGHup♂, this was some STRONG stuff (and yes, I had to cut my dosage way back to MINIMUM as well)!
~Rosie
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Tomahawk88
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I would not mind that. My problem isnt so much sleeping it is when I am sleeping. I have a hard time sleeping at night. If I can find something that will help me fall asleep and stay asleep I would be in heaven. I do love my sleep.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Well, works for some. Not all. Personally I prefer my 4-5 hours sleep a night. I do NOT like feeling lethargic and wanting to sleep 24/7 and then having days of insomnia and then sleeping for nearly full days waking on and off every 40-60 minutes; it screwed me up something stupid. If I was functional whilst I was using HGHup♂ it would have been great; but, like I said, it was TOO strong for me (worked a treat the days where I was able to and took it pre-training though re aggression and energy).
~Rosie
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bioman
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It really is incredibly strong. That I will say with no reservations. I can barely take 5 per day and usually stick to 3. I'm 183 and 5 per day has me either buzzing or tingling all day. It's nuts.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I started off at 6 caps per day. Then went down to 4 caps per day. Then split the dosage into 2x2 caps per day. Eventually went down to 2 caps per day, split into 2x1 cap. Similar results re all dosages. With the second beta version I experienced a lot of insomnia for 2-3 days and then I would sleep for 9-18 hours each of the next few days. If I missed a dosage I was useless the next few days re sleeping all the time. On dosing I wake up, but then peter out. Second beta version saw no waking up all the time once asleep. I even stopped taking all supplements but a multivitamin and good fats for a week before reusing again, to see if the effects WERE from the HGHup♂. They were.
~Rosie
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TexasLifter89
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Rosie, did you mix up first and 2nd versions? I had experience with insomnia the 2nd half of the first version... is that what you meant?
For me,
1st version: This started out great first half. Increased strength on maitenence, fat loss, sleep etc, then once i got halfway through the bottle it turned opposite. In other words, TOO POTENT for me and created adverse effects.
2nd version: everything I experienced the first half of the 1st version, aka great sleep, strength, etc.
bioman
Well-known member
I was using the 2nd version from what Dirk told me. 5-6 per day was definitely too much for me. I'd take 2 upon waking and like Rosey, I would get really alert up until about 1pm then I would drag, hands would tingle and occasional carpal symptoms would hit. I tapered down to taking one cap at around 3pm and that was just about right.
I made the huge mistake of taking my very first dose before bed..ugh.
People will have to feel out what dosage works best for them. For me, I might save it for use after heavy days for the enhanced recovery.
I made the huge mistake of taking my very first dose before bed..ugh.
People will have to feel out what dosage works best for them. For me, I might save it for use after heavy days for the enhanced recovery.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
No, I did NOT mix up the first and second beta versions. I used the first beta first, then stopped and used the second beta, since my experience was highly not fun during the first beta. First beta I used 4-6 caps all at once pre-bed. Second beta I split my dosage into either 2x2 or 2x1, with the first dose first thing and the second pre-training (or pre-bed, if no training that day). It is all documented in my 2009 training/supplementation journal.
~Rosie
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TexasLifter89
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so you experienced insomnia on beta 2 and you slept great on beta 2?
TexasLifter89
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definitely, I would say so. I went up and down on dosages playing around.
hardknock
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EasyEJL
Never enough
I think as of today i'm at 208, that avatar picture was at 202 I think. I did loose a bit of fat while taking this. I was the oddball beta tester though as with being on a relatively high dose TRT (200mg/wk) and other supplementation to raise my IGF levels (blood tests had them under 100) it was partially to see if the effects were strong enough to be noticeable on top of that
And they were. And I was at a caloric deficit, I went from 216 down to a bottom of 198 over 2 months. What really stood out was that even with that much of a caloric deficit to have maintained 2-2.5lbs a week of loss I still had strength gains...
DreamWeaver
Legend
What interests me most about a product like this is an increase in skin elasticity and some help with fat loss. I have the rest pretty much covered.
hardknock
Well-known member
I think as of today i'm at 208, that avatar picture was at 202 I think. I did loose a bit of fat while taking this. I was the oddball beta tester though as with being on a relatively high dose TRT (200mg/wk) and other supplementation to raise my IGF levels (blood tests had them under 100) it was partially to see if the effects were strong enough to be noticeable on top of that
Ok thanks. This was more the answer I was looking for.
SamBoz19
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Austin...your not reading correctly and more importantly your confusing yourself by overanalyzing
. Rosie had adverse effects from the first beta...not the second. Since Rosie did not handle the first beta well...I used the remainder of it, but not for sleep...only for pre-workout. The first beta would keep me wired and sleep would be sh*tty. The second beta...its a knockout as far sleep goes. This product will rock for sure.
Cheers!:cheers:
-Sean-
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Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I experienced the same thing on BOTH betas, but the insomnia was more pronounced on the second beta (as I mentioned: "With the second beta version I experienced a lot of insomnia for 2-3 days and then I would sleep for 9-18 hours each of the next few days...On dosing I wake up, but then peter out. Second beta version saw no waking up all the time once asleep.")
Austin...your not reading correctly and more importantly your confusing yourself by overanalyzing
Actually, I had adverse effects from BOTH betas; hence the reason that I stopped using beta 1 and waited for beta 2, and then stopped beta 2 after using for only a week.
There wasn't a huge difference in sleep, as I have been saying. And of course, between betas there is SOME change. As for what it was I am not at liberty to discuss the changes.
~Rosie
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MentalTwitch
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The first one sounds like they played with stims or something. To be awake or not able to sleep on it is what makes it seem like. It could also just be a plant or extract causing insomnia. I guess i'd rather have stim/awake feeling free GH booster. It really leaves it open to more dosing times, preWO, post, preBed are all options then along with coffee preWO or a NObooster of sorts.
Will we be told the first beta contents so we can see the difference or why it was doing this?
Will we be told the first beta contents so we can see the difference or why it was doing this?
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Seems like you guys are getting confused re my feedback re the different betas...BOTH betas had this effect...The ingredient profile of the FINAL product will be released in due time.
~Rosie
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Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
LOL. Quickly flick through my log from posts #694 to #791, Rob and you can read the details there.
~Rosie
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Rosie Chee
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rms80
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Just changed the ratios/percentages of a couple ingredients- there is no difference in the ingredient deck from one version to the next- keep in mind that a fairly small shift one way or another can make a big difference in the effectiveness of any product when you have the right co-factors/synergism......
and no stims in this product, in any version.....it is truly unique, both in terms of versatility and effectiveness. It can be used as a pre-workout or stacked with a pre-workout (there are LARGE strength increases with this product, as well as increased aggression), but can also be taken in the evening and will result in deeper sleep, and it stacks well with just about any product out there, both in terms of anabolism, and fat loss.......
TexasLifter89
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Ok, sorry sean and rosie, I got a bit confused as you could tell. I appreciate it 
metroba
Legend
Interesting...that explains why Rosie got too tired with the first beta but not the second.
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EasyEJL
Never enough
I tried stacking it with RPM which was quite nice, and likely will try stacking it with drive once I get another bottle. Really I think this plus neovar + rpm would be the killer combo for some nice lean gains with good strength gains
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
I stacked it with all of our line except IGF-2 and Lipotrophin-AM (and aside from The ONE and 2nd GEAR, of course).
You can stack HGHup♂ with both RPM and Drive.
You could also stack it with The ONE (although I don't see why you would need to).
~Rosie
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SamBoz19
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Ok, sorry sean and rosie, I got a bit confused as you could tell. I appreciate it
All good...no harm no foul...anytime you cut out of line you know I have to give you a brotherly beat down...:nutkick: Besides...the I'm the easygoing one...Rosie is the one to worry about...I might get my a$$ kicked for even saying that j/k. Trust me...I'll at least get this :slap: LOL. :toofunny:
Cheers!:cheers:
-Sean-
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EasyEJL
Never enough
Why Most OTC GH Products Are Ineffective, and How HGHUP♂ Differs
• Over the last 20 years, a variety of products that claim to boost HGH orally have been promoted in the US sports supplement market. The vast majority of these products have been completely ineffective for several reasons:
• Growth hormone is a peptide (a long chain amino acid structure), that cannot be taken in an oral form, due to the destruction of the sequence by the acidic environment of the stomach. Any supplement containing “oral growth hormone” is a scam.
• Many products use a combination of amino acids such as arginine and lysine in “kitchen sink” formulas, and claim that their combination is “scientifically proven” to work. Many amino acids boost growth hormone levels, but most of the time, it is only when taken intravenously, or in completely unattainable dosages that would make a normal person extremely sick. And the correct dosage is in gram amounts, not in the milligram range offered in many of these products.
• Even if these products allow for a viable release of GH, there is nothing present to inhibit somatostatin, which has been found to be the biggest factor in controlling GH levels.
• Many of these products are powdered mixes that contain sugar, sweeteners, or other compounds that may increase blood sugar. This will render the product virtually useless due to the inverse relationship between glucose and growth hormone.
• HGHUP♂ differs from these compounds because of the nature of the formulation. Every compound in the product is designed to work in concert with the other components; no filler or ineffective components are found in this product.
• HGHUP♂ is the first product to positively manipulate somatostatin; this alone puts it in a class by itself.
• HGHUP♂ utilizes the latest research on compounds which have been overlooked by other companies. The secret of the product is in the complexity, effectiveness and synergism of the blend.
• HGHUP♂ utilizes components that also boost androgen levels, increase the number and function of androgen receptors, and create an overall BETTER anabolic environment in which levels of both testosterone and GH are optimized, leading to better recovery, increased lean body mass, and lower body fat.
• Over the last 20 years, a variety of products that claim to boost HGH orally have been promoted in the US sports supplement market. The vast majority of these products have been completely ineffective for several reasons:
• Growth hormone is a peptide (a long chain amino acid structure), that cannot be taken in an oral form, due to the destruction of the sequence by the acidic environment of the stomach. Any supplement containing “oral growth hormone” is a scam.
• Many products use a combination of amino acids such as arginine and lysine in “kitchen sink” formulas, and claim that their combination is “scientifically proven” to work. Many amino acids boost growth hormone levels, but most of the time, it is only when taken intravenously, or in completely unattainable dosages that would make a normal person extremely sick. And the correct dosage is in gram amounts, not in the milligram range offered in many of these products.
• Even if these products allow for a viable release of GH, there is nothing present to inhibit somatostatin, which has been found to be the biggest factor in controlling GH levels.
• Many of these products are powdered mixes that contain sugar, sweeteners, or other compounds that may increase blood sugar. This will render the product virtually useless due to the inverse relationship between glucose and growth hormone.
• HGHUP♂ differs from these compounds because of the nature of the formulation. Every compound in the product is designed to work in concert with the other components; no filler or ineffective components are found in this product.
• HGHUP♂ is the first product to positively manipulate somatostatin; this alone puts it in a class by itself.
• HGHUP♂ utilizes the latest research on compounds which have been overlooked by other companies. The secret of the product is in the complexity, effectiveness and synergism of the blend.
• HGHUP♂ utilizes components that also boost androgen levels, increase the number and function of androgen receptors, and create an overall BETTER anabolic environment in which levels of both testosterone and GH are optimized, leading to better recovery, increased lean body mass, and lower body fat.
Iron Lungz
Banned
I was really hoping for the actual write-up, and not a tease. :twak:
With this bulletin that is quoted above, the bolded part looks like L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate. Further, I will dig.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I'm sure that bracelet will work great for you
andrew732
Well-known member
NOPE, Powerfull is NOT bunk, it is decarboxylased so that it L-dopa crosses the BBB, well I should not even go further, EXPERIENCE should say it all, and of course bloodwork, both showed me that by ALL means Powerfull WORKS, he did not say ALL oral GH releasers are scam , he said most. I found Powerfull to be very effective in the recovery department as well fat loss.
warsteiner
Active member
Yep, another vote for PowerFull from me as well. Increased recovery, strength, appetite, libido and vascularity with a great recomp effect. The only downside is that the effects seem to dwindle after 4 weeks so I normally run 3 4-week cycles a year with good results.
This product is looking interesting as well so I will be following the initial logs with interest and to see how it compares to LG's Ghenerate.
This product is looking interesting as well so I will be following the initial logs with interest and to see how it compares to LG's Ghenerate.
Tomahawk88
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Ya interested to see how this and GHenerate stack up against each other.