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JohnBrinks,

She did state the amount of lead, read the report.

It has already been determined it is not enough to be considered substantial.

HenryV has done nothing wrong, he/PA/Natty are simply having a discussion on what COULD be in there...
 
UnrealMachine said:
So you say you tried it and got nothing out of it, then you say no, you sent it directly to the lab?

You name yourself Natalie, a woman, yet you post about your experience on Tren and running PCTs
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I think the people responsible for the harmfull postings against NTBM on here should be banned. And theres no need for me to argue with any of these people, cleaver as they are, this is just slander. For me, case closed.
 
HOLD FAST CHAP!

I do not think they should be banned- but i think they SHOULD NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS


lead is not high enough
sd at.5 mgs and dhea at .5mgs we all know someone cannot gain 9-13 lbs on this it is simply to little

im very interested to see what hormone is in here NATE WHERE R U!!!!! NATTTTEEEEE!!!!
 
I agree, where are our results that were supposed to be here today? Still waitin to see what comes of this!
 
JohnBrinks said:
I think the people responsible for the harmfull postings against NTBM on here should be banned. And theres no need for me to argue with any of these people, cleaver as they are, this is just slander. For me, case closed.
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Sorry but its only slander if its not true. Right now we have a lab report that shows that to be true. Even Nate has stated that this was run by a company he hasn't used before, and that he did not get the final batches tested after production. So we're waiting on further lab tests including ones run by NTBM to see whether the lab test we have is an anomaly, or whether the manufacturer screwed NTBM.

People making big gains doesn't mean whats listed on the label is whats in it, it just means something active is in it. I'd be pissed off if I bought a product that I thought was superdrol but was pheraplex instead.
 
its early ol pipes i bet they be in here later if not major :(
 
I was out of town over weekend on business and I am just getting back to this post only to find that the debate is going on. I don't know if this will help any, but as I mentioned in my earlier posts....we originally had Monsterdrol tested by our forensic toxicologist just to take a look what was in there. The reason why we wanted to get it tested was because we suspected that it would contain high amounts of DMT or contain only DMT, but to our surprise the results were truly mind blowing.

Granted this was not chain of custody in tact so I never bothered to post any of the initial findings. It was in these initial findings that we found it worthwhile to have it sent to RTP with chain of custody in tact so I purchased the new bottle during theor BOGO sale and had the bottles sent directly to RTP labs.

Originally we sent 6 capsules of Monsterdrol-XT taken from the bottle of original purchase from Ruthless Supplements. Only 1 capsule from the samples sent were tested but the following results were found:
700mg of caffeine
975 micrograms cyano-DMT present
highly toxic amount of lead (hence why we specified lead testing by RTP)
the highly toxic was from our toxicologist's mouth and his comment was also that it looked that whoever was manufacturing this, must have been using a big lead pot. No other active compounds found but we were told that it was "dirty"

Granted this is only for informational purposes. We will however request for RTP labs to send sample caps from the bottle they have at their lab to sent directly to Expertox to have a new sample run with multiple caps from the bottle to get a better idea of what these capsules contain overall. By sending the capsules directly from RTP to Expertox....chain of custody will still be in tact because again we have not had our hands on any of the samples since originally sent from Ruthless SUpplements directly to the lab.
Now what we can only conclude from the varying results and the different findings from one las to the other is that the caps are not consistent in what they contain. Remember that RTPs findings were the result of taking caps from the top, middle and bottom of the bottle and getting an average. Also, recall that RTP specifically notes in the report that of these caps, some were pure white, off white and some had visible specs. It is possible that even with RTPs findings, that an individual cap pulled from a bottle of Monsterdrol may or may not contain any or all of the trace ingredients listed in this report.
I also really don't know what to say about 1 lab finding trace amounts of 2-cyano DMT and one lab finding trace amounts of superdrol and several unidentified peaks. I do know that our forensic can identify everything in the caps, so I would be interested in paying an additional 600 bucks to have them look again at this compound.

The question that I have now is this:
Did NTBM have this capped in the US or did they have Monsterdrol capped in China?
My bet is on China.....or at least fro their sake I would hope so. It would be feasible that they ordered the ingredients and amounts listed on the bottle and received the array of mutli-cap ingredients we are finding in these test results. If this was capped in the US, then even if it can be found that 2-cyano in any amount can be found by these results, then not only did NTBM put <1mg the main active per cap but they also clearly did not put the other 2 ingredients in the bottle. This would mean that NTBM would have had to order the capsule company to put only <1mg 2-cyano and they purposely excluded the 2 other ingredients, because any capsule company in the US is going to be pretty close to accurate in filling the correct order.
So which one is it?

On a side note, I don't necessarily think NTBM did this part intentionally. I do think that they were very irresponsible by not testing their product and I do believe that Monsterdrol was actually capped in China.
My problem with NTBM is not with Nate as I have never had a direct conflict with him and I do think that he handled this information about his product professionally. My problem is with the NTBM reps. This is what triggered me to take a personal interest in the NTBM product line. Nate, your reps are going around taking trash about all your competitors, in your competitor threads and they must have been getting these orders from somewhere....so either they were getting their orders from you or some other NTBM admin. Trust me, everyone here at AM agrees about how your reps have behaved and how it was getting worse...hopefully if anything..this post will put a stop to your rep team's actions and hopefully you will be looking into new reps overall.
I will leave this up for debate also....the reality is either NTBM sent the testers real 2-cyano to have them gain all their weight or they were paid to lie. Somebody is lying here and it needs to get stopped. From what we know about this product is that there is nothing in the cap that would justify the type of gains these guys are claiming.
 
:stupid:im not a rep- but i cant recall coming across one post by one that talks trash


again i will add- I could be wrong though!
 
Im interested in test results. Natalie, you also said you had other ntbm products tested, beast/epi.. any of those results yet?
 
JohnBrinks said:
****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]

I like that...


****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]

I like that...

****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2α,17α-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17β-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]

I like that...

****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]



All you need to do is convince a bunch of guys already on this stuff to test their PH level from their saliva; have blood tests done for lead, liver and kindey problems, (cos that stuff builds up in your system) and itl probably be worth asking them to answer a few Lead side affect related questions - one of which is:

---Have you experienced any memory loss or problems with concentration since taking Monsterdrol--- (which is what happens to people who live in ares where the water gets contaminated with lead).

Sort it out.

P.S Oh and henryv, I see now why you like to wind people up and cause arguments, at first I thought you just like to be cleaver (which there is nothing wrong with that), but its more than that, bieng so focussed on a thread like this. You actually like the hand bag swining stuff, you probably feed off of it.
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The bold portion makes little sense, since you basically contradicted it with the sentence directly below. If I went in right now and tested then I would probably have trace amounts of lead in my system, as would everyone else...water has lead in it. How would they define what caused my lead detection if I were taking the prohormone?
 
THE WRITING,


I have no clue wtf is in my caps that came out of my bottle of monsterdrol. I ordered my bottle 3-4 days after it was released so i wasnt even the first person to receive or order any. I ordered with my own money on my own accord and have never had any contact or affiliation with this company in any shape form or fashion. I have never even used oe of their products before from NTBM or MRsupps. I am not lieing nor deceiving anyone with the results i am receiving. Upon receiving my bottle of monsterdrol(i do this with everything im a freak!) I emptied the contents out onto the counter and counted them. All 90 caps were present with no discoloration what so ever that you speak of and no broken caps or spilled contents in the bottom of the bottle. Where my bottle came from and what it contains remains a mystery. Which is horrible and i am begining to get a bit worried but its done something for me. Theres no way in hell in 3weeks i would gain 13lbs with minimal if any at all fat gain from ONLY upping my cals by ONLY 500cals per day with no active ingredient that your claiming, physically just not possible! Again I am deceiving noone have no reason to do this i am begining to get pissed the **** off by your incesant claims of this. I have been active on these boards prior to logging this and there are other forum members who have also been active on these boards prior to this that personally know me that can attest to these real world results. I am not defending RLS in any way this situation is plain wrong. I am just defending myself, my personal character that's come into question against your outlandish personal attack against me! I dont give a **** who you think you are, who you use to be, who you will be in the future, who you think your connected with , or who theyre connected with, YOUR WRONG IN BRINGING ME INTO YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTA! And that is SLANDER not the claims on RLS those are understandable but your claims against me are SLANDER.
 
schwellington said:
HOLD FAST CHAP!

I do not think they should be banned- but i think they SHOULD NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS


lead is not high enough
sd at.5 mgs and dhea at .5mgs we all know someone cannot gain 9-13 lbs on this it is simply to little

im very interested to see what hormone is in here NATE WHERE R U!!!!! NATTTTEEEEE!!!!
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You can state that fact all day until your wind stops, but a person gaining 13lbs does not PROVE that the label represents what is in the bottle...
 
hardknock said:
You can state that fact all day until your wind stops, but a person gaining 13lbs does not PROVE that the label represents what is in the bottle...
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You 100% correct but WTF is in it>????? Thats my ony question at this point!! Im in awe as to how what she claims to be the only ingredients in her caps at all to have aided in me gaining 13lbs! Just no way possible so somethings fishy just standing by looking forward to more test results is all any of us can do.
 
reecew said:
THE WRITING,


I have no clue wtf is in my caps that came out of my bottle of monsterdrol. I ordered my bottle 3-4 days after it was released so i wasnt even the first person to receive or order any. I ordered with my own money on my own accord and have never had any contact or affiliation with this company in any shape form or fashion. I have never even used oe of their products before from NTBM or MRsupps. I am not lieing nor deceiving anyone with the results i am receiving. Upon receiving my bottle of monsterdrol(i do this with everything im a freak!) I emptied the contents out onto the counter and counted them. All 90 caps were present with no discoloration what so ever that you speak of and no broken caps or spilled contents in the bottom of the bottle. Where my bottle came from and what it contains remains a mystery. Which is horrible and i am begining to get a bit worried but its done something for me. Theres no way in hell in 3weeks i would gain 13lbs with minimal if any at all fat gain from ONLY upping my cals by ONLY 500cals per day with no active ingredient that your claiming, physically just not possible! Again I am deceiving noone have no reason to do this i am begining to get pissed the **** off by your incesant claims of this. I have been active on these boards prior to logging this and there are other forum members who have also been active on these boards prior to this that personally know me that can attest to these real world results. I am not defending RLS in any way this situation is plain wrong. I am just defending myself, my personal character that's come into question against your outlandish personal attack against me! I dont give a **** who you think you are, who you use to be, who you will be in the future, who you think your connected with , or who theyre connected with, YOUR WRONG IN BRINGING ME INTO YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTA! And that is SLANDER not the claims on RLS those are understandable but your claims against me are SLANDER.
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The fuk?
 
reecew said:
Thats bullsh**! I am very sensitive to caffeine you can even find threads started by me in the past stating this where im looking for stim free PWO's! So 700mg of caffeine would absolutely kill me!
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You are kind of missing it. If they have a problem with blending the product, not NTBM but the ACTUAL people making the powder, then it is MOST CERTAINLY possible for one bottle to have some capsules that may contain 700mg of dog shyt or 150mg of whatever else...it is a matter of consistency not existing. It says nothing about the 3 bottles that you purchased.

Right now, there may be 500 people with bottles that they have yet to crack open, containing various levels of substances.
 
This is not a NTBM thing, it happens to many companies when dealing with foreign services.
 
An example of rep conduct pasted below:

"Trenavar is going straight to lab testing .... then im going to post the results and blame primordial performance. No really... first part is true.

Regards,
chocolatemilk"

Looks like he might not be a rep anymore but I received this PM from chocolatemilk when he still was one.
On a side note - PHF uses the same forensic toxicologist that I used when owned IBE and I know 100% that EVERY batch for EVERY production is tested again 100% of the time....so any threats from competitors about testing are not threats at all, they are welcome :)
 
Hey PA, if you like, I can also have RTP labs send you caps direct, then at least everyone here can know that chain of custody is still in tact......
 
hardknock said:
You can state that fact all day until your wind stops, but a person gaining 13lbs does not PROVE that the label represents what is in the bottle...
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:gives:

If you read my post i said i want to know what hormone is in it


not that the label was correct
 
Kristofer68SS said:
700mg of caffeine?

really...

i know right.

lol
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outrageous claim... wtf... i don't know what to believe anymore... my head is about to explode...
 
TheWriting said:
On a side note, I don't necessarily think NTBM did this part intentionally. I do think that they were very irresponsible by not testing their product and I do believe that Monsterdrol was actually capped in China.
My problem with NTBM is not with Nate as I have never had a direct conflict with him and I do think that he handled this information about his product professionally. My problem is with the NTBM reps. This is what triggered me to take a personal interest in the NTBM product line. Nate, your reps are going around taking trash about all your competitors, in your competitor threads and they must have been getting these orders from somewhere....so either they were getting their orders from you or some other NTBM admin. Trust me, everyone here at AM agrees about how your reps have behaved and how it was getting worse...hopefully if anything..this post will put a stop to your rep team's actions and hopefully you will be looking into new reps overall.
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^^^^^^^^ There's no doubt in my mind that the reps are acting under the direction of Nate. It happens too frequently and by to many reps on various boards for N2BM not to be aware- especially since he is on the same boards every day.
 
schwellington said:
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If you read my post i said i want to know what hormone is in it


not that the label was correct
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I know what you are talking about but I AM STATING THAT FACT. When someone misrepresents ingredients by not placing them on the label, then we are getting into the legal realm for possible litigation.

I know that you want to know what is in the bottle, but my gripe is that whatever the hell is in there may not be printed ON THE LABEL.

So, regardless if Ronnie Coleman's genes are in the bottle, it must be printed on the label.
 
TheWriting said:
An example of rep conduct pasted below:

"Trenavar is going straight to lab testing .... then im going to post the results and blame primordial performance. No really... first part is true.

Regards,
chocolatemilk"

Looks like he might not be a rep anymore but I received this PM from chocolatemilk when he still was one.
On a side note - PHF uses the same forensic toxicologist that I used when owned IBE and I know 100% that EVERY batch for EVERY production is tested again 100% of the time....so any threats from competitors about testing are not threats at all, they are welcome :)
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this doesnt prove he was abusive in any way

there is no proof of the messege

but the truth is....... something isnt right

nate where the results boss- you have never let me down yet

i would order a bottle of mdxt and start it right now and log it with pics and erything but there is no more :(
 
TheWriting said:
Yes, 4k, which means we have more tests to come and I will post all of my findings whether they are favorable or not.
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TheWriting said:
Don't worry we have the following products in testing as we speak:
Malicious Mass - NTBM/Ruthless Supplements (results back by end of day or monday)
N2KTS - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back early next week)
Beastdrol - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)
Helladrol - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)
Dieslebolan - NTBM/Mr. Supps (results back mid-end next week)

Any others? Phytoserms is looking good to test next..
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I would like to know if there will still be updates on these products, with your results posted?

needtogetmuscle said:
To my knowledge The product does have the compound that it should have but that means nothing to me now. Again what matters is this test right here right now... I have called the company who made the product for me and will be working with them on the matter. Just goes to show I should have stuck with the people I always work with and from now on I will. That is of course after I have them do testing and I do some of my own a few times to be 100% positive.




Yes I can and will admit fault and own this problem with the product here. As of right now with this test ( more will be done I am sure not just by me) L
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I would like to know if you have done your testing and if so are you going to post your results?
 
Kristofer68SS said:
So MM is just a big dose of caffeine?

Really? Help me out here guys, the feedback doesn't add up.
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i hope not... i have 2 bottles and was/am soooooo looking forward to running it in February...
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Its just a high dose of caffeine, remember?
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something tells me it's not... call me naive... call me loyal... i just want to believe... like agent mulder...
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reecew said:
THE WRITING,


I have no clue wtf is in my caps that came out of my bottle of monsterdrol. I ordered my bottle 3-4 days after it was released so i wasnt even the first person to receive or order any. I ordered with my own money on my own accord and have never had any contact or affiliation with this company in any shape form or fashion. I have never even used oe of their products before from NTBM or MRsupps. I am not lieing nor deceiving anyone with the results i am receiving. Upon receiving my bottle of monsterdrol(i do this with everything im a freak!) I emptied the contents out onto the counter and counted them. All 90 caps were present with no discoloration what so ever that you speak of and no broken caps or spilled contents in the bottom of the bottle. Where my bottle came from and what it contains remains a mystery. Which is horrible and i am begining to get a bit worried but its done something for me. Theres no way in hell in 3weeks i would gain 13lbs with minimal if any at all fat gain from ONLY upping my cals by ONLY 500cals per day with no active ingredient that your claiming, physically just not possible! Again I am deceiving noone have no reason to do this i am begining to get pissed the **** off by your incesant claims of this. I have been active on these boards prior to logging this and there are other forum members who have also been active on these boards prior to this that personally know me that can attest to these real world results. I am not defending RLS in any way this situation is plain wrong. I am just defending myself, my personal character that's come into question against your outlandish personal attack against me! I dont give a **** who you think you are, who you use to be, who you will be in the future, who you think your connected with , or who theyre connected with, YOUR WRONG IN BRINGING ME INTO YOUR PERSONAL VENDETTA! And that is SLANDER not the claims on RLS those are understandable but your claims against me are SLANDER.
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WTF are you rambling about? :gives:
 
Kristofer68SS said:
He is giving his review on his MDXT experience.

#13 pounds on a 500 kcals daily increase for 21ish days.



caffeine, yep.
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That still doesn't rule out the possibility of the user's weight gain being attributed to a compound not listed in MDXT's ingredient profile.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
So MM is just a big dose of caffeine?

Really? Help me out here guys, the feedback doesnt add up.
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The Writing

Originally we sent 6 capsules of Monsterdrol-XT taken from the bottle of original purchase from Ruthless Supplements. Only 1 capsule from the samples sent were tested but the following results were found:
700mg of caffeine
975 micrograms cyano-DMT present
highly toxic amount of lead (hence why we specified lead testing by RTP)
the highly toxic was from our toxicologist's mouth and his comment was also that it looked that whoever was manufacturing this, must have been using a big lead pot. No other active compounds found but we were told that it was "dirty"
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Not sure but I think that may represent inconsistencies on a per bottle basis(at least raises eyebrows). It has nothing to do with all of the bottles being caffeine..
 
Well I'm definetly still thinking we need to be careul believeing anything the writing says. Over at MFF there's some interesting info, ibe has been known to be dishonest in the past. How diner know the owners of ibe aren't the same? Ibe bought p.h.f. And tried to hide it, than p.h.f. Bought ibe suppossedly so they could break contracts to sell hormones themselves. Weather it's true or not we won't know but it would explain why she could claim not to own ibe since she may own phf which in turns owns ibe.

Who really knows but figured I'd just throw out all thr info that's being passed around.
 
biggfly said:
WTF are you rambling about? :gives:
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hardknock said:
Yeah, basically...like, the guy is just having a vague conversation or something...
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You guys are too cool! My post wasnt directed at either of you was it? But since its bothering you and your concerning yourself with it..... I have been called a liar by this person on several occassions now and accused of being paid to lie. This person has lied about and intentionally misquoted me. I tried to PM them and have them correct/stop this but they wont so i made the post after being called a liar again.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
He is giving his review on his MDXT experience.

#13 pounds on a 500 kcals daily increase for 21ish days.



caffeine, yep.
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He is also going on like this whole thread was all about him, as if Natalie singled him out and attacked him. It was line after line of jibberish. He could have said "hey, i would like to see some test results, as I took this stuff, gained 13 lbs, and would like to know what caused my growth." End of post. But jarhead went on a bender about being personally slandered:stupid: This thread would be worse than it is if every MDXT user came on here and acted a fool like this clown.
 
hoopem6 said:
That still doesn't rule out the possibility of the user's weight gain being attributed to a compound not listed in MDXT's ingredient profile.
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No doubt your right. Thats why i said ive got no clue whats in it but its got to be something more than what is being lead on by the OP. And we need more test!
 
biggfly said:
He is also going on like this whole thread was all about him, as if Natalie singled him out and attacked him. It was line after line of jibberish. He could have said "hey, i would like to see some test results, as I took this stuff, gained 13 lbs, and would like to know what caused my growth." End of post. But jarhead went on a bender about being personally slandered:stupid: This thread would be worse than it is if every MDXT user came on here and acted a fool like this clown.
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When im misquoted and the little writeup she wrote about me is incorrect makes it personal whether it was meant to be or not. End of story you can move on.....Im glad its affected you :lol:
 
ZamaMan said:
Well I'm definetly still thinking we need to be careul believeing anything the writing says. Over at MFF there's some interesting info, ibe has been known to be dishonest in the past. How diner know the owners of ibe aren't the same? Ibe bought p.h.f. And tried to hide it, than p.h.f. Bought ibe suppossedly so they could break contracts to sell hormones themselves. Weather it's true or not we won't know but it would explain why she could claim not to own ibe since she may own phf which in turns owns ibe.

Who really knows but figured I'd just throw out all thr info that's being passed around.
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Regardless, the aforementioned gossip is still secondary to the lab results.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
He is giving his review on his MDXT experience.

#13 pounds on a 500 kcals daily increase for 21ish days.



caffeine, yep.
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Peoples gains arent as much suspect as "what" the gain was from, by the lab results its not from SD but its very possible that its from an unknow anabolic agent with a molecular weight of 317.
 
reecew said:
No doubt your right. Thats why i said ive got no clue whats in it but its got to be something more than what is being lead on by the OP. And we need more test!
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Shes not "leading on" that caffeine, lead and superdrol is all that is in the caps. Shes stated that there are unidentified things in the cap as well. But the GC analysis points to it not being 2-cyano-phera as its supposed to be. But there have already been at least 2 or 3 potential active steroids listed that might show up similarly on a GC, and given the nature of organic compounds there are likely dozens that it could possibly be.

And I understand some of the talk about loggers - not singling out anyone, or even just on hormonals. Most guys put extra effort in when logging, both in diet and in workout, particularly with hormonals. So they see better gains when logging than when not. They push themselves that much harder as they know they are going to be posting up lift numbers for everyone to read. Its a sort of placebo effect.
 
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