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Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad

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Only one way to do this fairly. Record a video of yourself next to a hello kitty poster, holding the product in your hand, going through the process of sealing it (hopefully while still standing next to the hello kitty poster); then record yourself driving to the mail facility (hopefully with the hello kitty poster in your passenger seat) and handing if off to the carrier. This is about as close to a fingerprint as one can leave.
 
whats wrong with you people. the more tests done, the better it is. whether or not you believe the data, or follow the thread, up to you. but by no means whatsoever are tests meaningless, worthless, or unnecessary.

sure we all want to see nates tests.. guess what.. what if his show its the real deal.. then what.. now we have 1 for and 1 against, both of which have primary interest and bias in each of their own positions on the matter.

any other parties willing to pay for testing, im all for it. like i said the more the merrier.
 
southpaw23 said:
Only one way to do this fairly. Record a video of yourself next to a hello kitty poster, holding the product in your hand, going through the process of sealing it (hopefully while still standing next to the hello kitty poster); then record yourself driving to the mail facility (hopefully with the hello kitty poster in your passenger seat) and handing if off to the carrier. This is about as close to a fingerprint as one can leave.
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if that guy has a hello kitty poster there is no way in hell he should be allowed to own a bottle of monsterdrol.
 
southpaw23 said:
Only one way to do this fairly. Record a video of yourself next to a hello kitty poster, holding the product in your hand, going through the process of sealing it (hopefully while still standing next to the hello kitty poster); then record yourself driving to the mail facility (hopefully with the hello kitty poster in your passenger seat) and handing if off to the carrier. This is about as close to a fingerprint as one can leave.
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First he has to record a video of himself breaking the seal on the bottle.........next to a hello kitty poster!
 
But if what PA finds in these caps match what the lab test already shown, is that not some more proof? And hell if Nate wants to show his results for the testing that happened during the manufacturing of it that helps also. But that hasn't happened yet, we just have gotten a lot of long winded post from him. Now i'm glad he has came out and said what he has. It is very honorable and big of him i applaud him, but shouldn't he just show what his testing came up with before he put it on the market, to put a kind of finish to this?
 
Did I miss something here? What I don't get is why it's even necessary for ZamaMan to send his caps to anyone? Shouldn't RTP have been able to figure it out since they're a competent & reputable lab? [according to many on this forum, I don't know.]

We have inconsequential trace amounts of this and that, but we don't know what the main compound/s is? I'm no chemist, but the whole thing looks fishy to me. There's obviously some type of potent compound in there, IMO. We need to know what it is.

Oh, and if anyone who I was arguing with earlier in this thread wants to start name calling, I've already been warned by a mod to stop doing it in this thread, so you'll be ignored. :nono:
 
PrepNwa23 said:
But if what PA finds in these caps match what the lab test already shown, is that not some more proof? And hell if Nate wants to show his results for the testing that happened during the manufacturing of it that helps also. But that hasn't happened yet, we just have gotten a lot of long winded post from him. Now i'm glad he has came out and said what he has. It is very honorable and big of him i applaud him, but shouldn't he just show what his testing came up with before he put it on the market, to put a kind of finish to this?
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mod edit: you don't like it when its done to you so stop doing it to others.
 
Messor said:
Did I miss something here? What I don't get is why it's even necessary for ZamaMan to send his caps to anyone? Shouldn't RTP have been able to figure it out since they're a competent & reputable lab? [according to many on this forum, I don't know.]

We have inconsequential trace amounts of this and that, but we don't know what the main compound/s is? I'm no chemist, but the whole thing looks fishy to me. There's obviously some type of potent compound in there, IMO. We need to know what it is.

Oh, and if anyone who I was arguing with earlier in this thread wants to start name calling, I've already been warned by a mod to stop doing it in this thread, so you'll be ignored. :nono:
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Vida has something like 400 different steroids, 90+% of which were never commercially produced. I'm sure they compared with the known common ones, and there was no match. Since its a lab report for a compound without a reference standard, anything they would state would be an educated guess, which is why its listed as unknown.
 
EasyEJL said:
Vida has something like 400 different steroids, 90+% of which were never commercially produced. I'm sure they compared with the known common ones, and there was no match. Since its a lab report for a compound without a reference standard, anything they would state would be an educated guess, which is why its listed as unknown.
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I believe there's 666 steroids in Vida's book.
 
mw1 said:
lol...Testing an opened bottle sent by a random person is worthless.:smashfreakB:
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The only tidbit to this is that if 20 random people sent caps and they all tested the same then we'd have an issue.
 
muscl3s said:
yeah... you wouldn't but what about some random person you get it from...
again, sure you're both trustworthy (i guess) but as far as a forum goes... you'll just start another 50 page argument (which will spread to other forums across the net leading them back here to fuel the argument)... in other words, we should just wait for nate.
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Let us take a hypothetical stance here...how can you trust that Nate would actually test a proper powder and not switch it? I mean, if we cannot trust a random person to send 3-5 caps of product to Patrick, why trust Nate when his product is in question? Who is to say that he won't send his lab some tweaked raw?

Once again, this is just a hypo-question. I am in no way saying that Nate would do this but since we are throwing rocks...let no man hide their hands.
 
southpaw23 said:
Only one way to do this fairly. Record a video of yourself next to a hello kitty poster, holding the product in your hand, going through the process of sealing it (hopefully while still standing next to the hello kitty poster); then record yourself driving to the mail facility (hopefully with the hello kitty poster in your passenger seat) and handing if off to the carrier. This is about as close to a fingerprint as one can leave.
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The product can be ordered from the site (i do not think it can now?) sent from the warehouse holding the product straight to the lab...unless the lab is buying it direct, it cannot get anymore direct than that.

Unless someone hijacks the ups/usps/fedex transports, nabs the caps, and switches the powder or adds something to the capsules, there is NO WAY that this method is not justified.
 
You are correct, it is no longer available. Im hoping that by monday evening Thewriting and Nate both have more tests to post. Interested in seeing what comes of this, hopefully this will be situated shortly as I have a cycle coming in Jan that I was supposed to start off with Monster.
 
Pipes said:
You are correct, it is no longer available. Im hoping that by monday evening Thewriting and Nate both have more tests to post. Interested in seeing what comes of this, hopefully this will be situated shortly as I have a cycle coming in Jan that I was supposed to start off with Monster.
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Then if there are no more bottles left for the public, anyone sending caps to Patrick or any other chemist is just wasting time if they are trying to cool the flames in this thread. It has already been stated by SEVERAL people that unless it was a direct purchase from the lab they would not lend credence to the test, which is sort of comical to me.

The only thing that sending in random capsules would satisfy is that if it test the same as Natalie's test. FOR ME, it does prove liability; however, in any legal system, it would be pretty much worthless.
 
hardknock said:
Then if there are no more bottles left for the public, anyone sending caps to Patrick or any other chemist is just wasting time if they are trying to cool the flames in this thread. It has already been stated by SEVERAL people that unless it was a direct purchase from the lab they would not lend credence to the test, which is sort of comical to me.

The only thing that sending in random capsules would satisfy is that if it test the same as Natalie's test. FOR ME, it does prove liability; however, in any legal system, it would be pretty much worthless.
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since it sold out and won't be produced anymore i'm wondering if nate had enough time to grab some bottles to test.
out-of-stock is out-of-stock... i don't think he anticipated this situation... in other words, i don't think he said to himself "let's save a bottle because it might be important"
 
EasyEJL said:
Vida has something like 400 different steroids, 90+% of which were never commercially produced. I'm sure they compared with the known common ones, and there was no match. Since its a lab report for a compound without a reference standard, anything they would state would be an educated guess, which is why its listed as unknown.
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But wouldn't they at least be able to figure if there is an actual compound there, or if it's just a bunch of useless filler? Is a reference standard really needed to figure that out? If the stuff turns out to be useless bunk with no potency then I'll man up and admit I was wrong. I guess I would have to chalk up the log videos I've been watching as the most potent placebo affect that I've ever seen. At the moment, I don't believe that's the case.

I only just ended my PCT and am still taken time off, or I would try my MDXT and find out for myself.
 
hardknock said:
Then if there are no more bottles left for the public, anyone sending caps to Patrick or any other chemist is just wasting time if they are trying to cool the flames in this thread. It has already been stated by SEVERAL people that unless it was a direct purchase from the lab they would not lend credence to the test, which is sort of comical to me.

The only thing that sending in random capsules would satisfy is that if it test the same as Natalie's test. FOR ME, it does prove liability; however, in any legal system, it would be pretty much worthless.
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Why would you say that. What if 'random' people sent caps to be tested, and they came back the same as Natalies'? That would verify the testing. What if they came back different? Then that would bring up discussion as to why the differences in results. Either way, going by one test, from somebody who has a personal vendetta against the man/company.. is foolish. Needless to say, we all spent money on a product and would like to know what exactly is fckn goin on here.

Hence, why I state, the more tests, the merrier. Noone gives two ****s about the legality portion of it, ffs we buy steroids. Get over the 'legal' bull****. We want to know if we got legit product or not.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i just noticed something i think in that chromatogram. it was hard to see but it appears that the M+ = 317 peak is a relatively large peak in the chromatogram compared to the other ones. That indicates that it could be the intended main ingredient.

the cyano compound has a molecular weight of 313. So what could give 317? Four more hydrogen atoms. Perhaps the cyano triple bond is hydrogenated to a single bond. That would give 2-aminomethylene DMT. I dont have my vida tables with me but maybe this is an active AAS
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If this were true, do you know how would it affect the potency or metabolism of the compound?
 
Messor said:
But wouldn't they at least be able to figure if there is an actual compound there, or if it's just a bunch of useless filler? Is a reference standard really needed to figure that out? If the stuff turns out to be useless bunk with no potency then I'll man up and admit I was wrong. I guess I would have to chalk up the log videos I've been watching as the most potent placebo affect that I've ever seen. At the moment, I don't believe that's the case.

I only just ended my PCT and am still taken time off, or I would try my MDXT and find out for myself.
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What they have is a major ingredient with a molecular weight of 317. There are a large number of possible lab created compounds with that molecular weight. Most of the time, a lab is paid to validate label claims, or purity % of raws. The charges for them to attempt to identify unknowns is doubtless higher than a validation test, as it would require research and possibly retesting and buying additional reference standard materials in the attempt to verify the results of their research. Look at sciencelabs pricing on 1g quantity of a variety of chemicals, they can easily reach well over $100 for a gram of crap that you can buy in kilogram quantity out of China for that much. Daa was I think $40 for a 1g reference sample.
 
schwellington said:
wait, wait,wait you said you ran it right, and got nothing from it, and then in another post you said you sent it directly to the lab. Now if my informations is correct, then your stories do not match up. NTBM isnt dirty maam. I have been using their products for some time now and they are all I buy. And in the end in my eyes what truly matters is consumer feedback,


and wtf are you doing running tren if ur a woman? Im sorry but this was a bad bad bad idea
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schwellington said:
No i dont care enough to check all that info i dont use otc hormones anyways
I only think there could be a more professional approach- this is my opinion of course


w/e if someone sends me a bottle i run that sh!t and report back
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Hmmm...biased much??
 
Personally, as a consumer of these said otc hormonal products, I couldnt care less about if someone has a personal vendetta or a hard-on for one company in particular. It does NOT change the outcome of testing, period. In fact, as a consumer, company vendettas against one another can only benefit me as a consumer, as it will keep, perhaps force, companies to maintain, and uphold standards and quality control if they know they are being scrutinized. Yes I agree, that this particular thread targets one company, it may make you question character of those who act on that vendetta, but that does not change the facts(when they come out, good or bad). IMO every aspect of business has a little vendetta to it, you want to do better than your competitor, and if there are issues based on less than acceptable industry standards of that particular industry, then competitors will expose that and use that. Dang near every commercial these days has some element of personal vendetta to it these days...flame broiled vs fried etc etc...as a consumer I do benefit from this sort of thing. Just sayin...
 
Very true, but we are all just going by one single lab test. I think we should wait to see more results before discrediting the product.
 
biggfly said:
Hmmm...biased much??
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Biased? No, I do want an explination as to what has gone wrong(clearly something isnt right) but what i am saying is in the past NTBM has taken good care of me with their products


meaning i want an explination, i acknowledge something isnt right and im still a loyal customer

i buy from ibe too so i guess they rnt all i buy from?!?! And usp and lg and iforce so no i dont think im biased i just find they r effective is all:phone::arg:
 
schwellington said:
Biased? No, I do want an explination as to what has gone wrong(clearly something isnt right) but what i am saying is in the past NTBM has taken good care of me with their products
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They have not tested any of their product-plain and simple:frustrate
 
i dont buy hormonals from them which is why im not really concerned ive moved on from ph tooooooo
THE DARK SIDE

I do trust their pwo/t booster tho- hormonals i dunno cant say

but i do think they should test them without a doubt

NTBM WHY :(
 
Pipes said:
Why would you say that. What if 'random' people sent caps to be tested, and they came back the same as Natalies'? That would verify the testing. What if they came back different? Then that would bring up discussion as to why the differences in results. Either way, going by one test, from somebody who has a personal vendetta against the man/company.. is foolish. Needless to say, we all spent money on a product and would like to know what exactly is fckn goin on here.

Hence, why I state, the more tests, the merrier. Noone gives two ****s about the legality portion of it, ffs we buy steroids. Get over the 'legal' bull****. We want to know if we got legit product or not.
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I said that because it has ALREADY BEEN STATED in the thread that if it wasn't purchased directly from the company then the trust factor goes completely out of the window. I gave that statement as a blanket so to speak. If you will, may I direct you to the sentence after that quote, or maybe before it...not scrolling up to look but I did state that FOR ME IT PROVES LIABILITY, period...

Obviously if 30-50 caps from 10-15 different people were sent in to 3 different labs and all of them came back to mirror what Natalie's tests stated then it leaves us to believe that the product is indeed NOT what the label claims. No one is denying that or trying to denounce that possibility or any other silly insinuation.

This was the tone of the thread from NTBM reps as well as a few "on the other side of the fence" (no direct purchase, no credibility), therefore I made that comment.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i would expect you would find the same impurities at the same levels in all the bottles

unless they did a horrible job blending the batch, which is another problem altogether
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I think that is where my mind is taking me...if 100 bottles were to be tested, I am thinking someone may find all types of inconsistencies.

Excuse me while I add this disclaimer for the fans....I am not saying that i do believe that their products contain erroneous substances. I am just going hypothetical here. The term "I am thinking" or "i think that" is merely lending way to "hypo-thinking", and not actual accusations.
 
schwellington said:
i dont buy hormonals from them which is why im not really concerned ive moved on from ph tooooooo
THE DARK SIDE

I do trust their pwo/t booster tho- hormonals i dunno cant say

but i do think they should test them without a doubt

NTBM WHY :(
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You've dug yourself too deep a hole, we know you're on board with NTBM!!! YOU'RE A SPY BEING FED NTBM SUPPLEMENTS JUST TO SUPPORT THEM FROM THE SIDELINES AND LOOK LIKE YOU'RE A RANDOM CONSUMER!!!!

jk jk jk

I'm just busting your chops bro.

How's boladrol?
 
First let me say this. The more tests the better by different people as then they can be compared, all of them from the different people. Now let me say that dont people know this is only going to end bad, as every supplement users friend, MR. FDA is reading this. Their already trying to get rid of the supp industry, trying to get laws passed here & there. For you who thinks their not reading this, your crazy. They pay people just to be on the computer looking at sites like this.! If its not MR. FDA its BIG GOVERNMENT that want this whole thing(supplements) gone.
HereToStudy said:
November 2010 Join Date.
21 Posts.
19 of them Need2 Related.
Blind faith to a company from someone "just back in the game"
Excuse me if this doesn't add up in correlation with your story.

Maybe I am wrong, Wouldn't be the first time, but very very rarely will a new member be so dedicated to the pursuit of promoting a company as you are. Either way, it is completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Again, for the record, I never stated I wouldn't use a Need2 product, or had anything against Nathan. My post was regarding the abundance of non-affiliated new members that seem to be overly excited to talk about Need2 lately. Hint: It appears a couple of them were caught and banned (One who was long suspected to be a previously banned AM member).
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NOW. after writing this and re-writing this like 16 times. Trying not to get banned.
Maybe I should have said My friend gets his stuff from N2BM & I have heard people at the gym talking about N2BM. I also heard other gym goers talking about a thread here(wish I could remember it so I could say HI). So I became a member here when N2BM was talking about the free N2KTS. I came here to learn about other supplements & supp companys, I am an american, last I checked that means I can make my own chooses(well until congress passes this new 10 year bill law). HOW MANY TIME CAN ONE WRITE ("COOL THREAD I WANT TO TRY THIS" "all though I dont have money for it & dont foresee me getting a job anytime soon" "I still want to try it though"). I dont want to make me sound stupid as I dont know the product thats being talked about. That is why you only see me post in the N2BM section.Those are the supps I KNOW ABOUT. I cut all my friends out of my life because of a 20 year mistake & only have one good friend(not looking for anyone to feel sorry for me). I come here for a new start & new life style now your accusing me of being something I am not. Your even talking about banning people that has nothing to do with me. I offered for you to PM me and you did not. Just because what one does, does not mean all does. I dont need to be accused of something, 20 years of accusations from the cops is enough thank you.
When I said I still dont have a problem with buying his products and whoever does is their problem. I didnt mean you in general so I apologize if thats how it looked. I meant whoever. I should have put that comment somewhere else, like a different paragraph or even post.
I still stand by his products, the ones that I have tried have worked. They have all worked the way he says they will. Until I see proof from like 5 or more different tests, from different people I believe him and take posters words that this works. Right now this one persons test dont do it for me, I think it stinks for the things I have been told about OP-s company'. YES I KNOW ITS BEEN SOLD, WHAT KIND OF SALE WAS IT'? (like a bankrupt'?) WHO OWNS IT NOW'?
TO me my signature is true, bet you cant eat just one. Also like I said (you) can have your product on my signature, Just send it to me for FREE.

FALLOW THE CLUES WITH A MAGNIFIED GLASS'? <>maybe a new signature
 
mw1 said:
It would be of interest for sure , but would only raise more questions:bigeyes:
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if i get the same peaks that RTP got then i think only an idiot can say it was not a genuine sample. if i get different peaks then it will be obvious i was sent fake caps
 
Messor said:
Did I miss something here? What I don't get is why it's even necessary for ZamaMan to send his caps to anyone? Shouldn't RTP have been able to figure it out since they're a competent & reputable lab? [according to many on this forum, I don't know.]

We have inconsequential trace amounts of this and that, but we don't know what the main compound/s is? I'm no chemist, but the whole thing looks fishy to me. There's obviously some type of potent compound in there, IMO. We need to know what it is.
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thats the whole reason why its being sent to me. i have an idea of what it might be and my testing may answer some more questions. RTP did what they did up unto a point. i am taking it further hopefully
 
hardknock said:
Let us take a hypothetical stance here...how can you trust that Nate would actually test a proper powder and not switch it? I mean, if we cannot trust a random person to send 3-5 caps of product to Patrick, why trust Nate when his product is in question? Who is to say that he won't send his lab some tweaked raw?

Once again, this is just a hypo-question. I am in no way saying that Nate would do this but since we are throwing rocks...let no man hide their hands.
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henryv said:
If this were true, do you know how would it affect the potency or metabolism of the compound?
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i dont have vida with me. you have it. check and see if there are any 2aminomethylene steroids in there.

my guess is that it may have substantial activity
 
if in fact there is sign of cyano being in there thats good ! but what about the dhb ! since there are supposedly these two compounds in particular ! can you see if that(dhb) exists in mdxt.
 
WATERLOGGED said:
if in fact there is sign of cyano being in there thats good ! but what about the dhb ! since there are supposedly these two compounds in particular ! can you see if that(dhb) exists in mdxt.
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well not that it matters that its in there i guess that if there is an act
ive steroid compound in there it might not even be needed.
 
henryv said:
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actually maybe i guess what i was referring to is aminomethyl ( i think thats what it would be called) not amino methylene. in other words -ch2-nh3 not =ch-nh3

and yeah, the dmt version not dht version
 
Pipes said:
so basically.. what do yall's last 6-8 posts mean lol.
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PA was asking if a steroid similar to the one they were saying is in the supplement was in a referenced book. He asked because the similar steroid had a molecular weight of 317 which was found in the supplement.

I scanned the book and I did not find anything, but i scanned pretty fast so I may have missed it
 
nattydisaster said:
PA was asking if a steroid similar to the one they were saying is in the supplement was in a referenced book. He asked because the similar steroid had a molecular weight of 317 which was found in the supplement.

I scanned the book and I did not find anything, but i scanned pretty fast so I may have missed it
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I checked too, nothing there.
 
Well its Monday, and I believe this was the latest we were to be expecting posted test results from Nate and also other product test results from Natalie. I would like to see these results!
 
TheWriting said:
****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]


****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]


****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2α,17α-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17β-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]


****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]
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****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]

I like that...


****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]

I like that...

****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2α,17α-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17β-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]

I like that...

****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]


Oh please, what amount is that exactly? You should know if you had it LAB TESTED... amounts to be of concern in each cap... x 3... that will casue side affect like (early symptoms) intermittent abdominal pain, nausea, diarrhea, constipation, anemia, (and after a 4 weeks) weekness, loss of appetite, depression, delayed reaction times, slowed motor nerve conduction (not even caffeine could fix that), insomnia, delirium, cognitive deficits, tremor, hallucinations, and convulsions. There would be some pirtty wierd sides. Totally not whats bieng reported.

You guys are too gullable, debating and reaserching into nonsense. waste of time. Im pritty sure even with 1.5mg DHEA, 1.5mg superdrol could never produce anywhere near the results bieng reported.

Im mean Im not on anybodys side, Id want anybody selling that to get put behind bars and I dont promote NTBM and why should I? I can get real steriods and for cheaper than their products. But your story doesnt add up, is not corroberated by anyone but yourselves, and is contradicted by too many people who are actually on this stuff.

All you need to do is convince a bunch of guys already on this stuff to test their PH level from their saliva; have blood tests done for lead, liver and kindey problems, (cos that stuff builds up in your system) and itl probably be worth asking them to answer a few Lead side affect related questions - one of which is:

---Have you experienced any memory loss or problems with concentration since taking Monsterdrol--- (which is what happens to people who live in ares where the water gets contaminated with lead).

Sort it out.

P.S Oh and henryv, I see now why you like to wind people up and cause arguments, at first I thought you just like to be cleaver (which there is nothing wrong with that), but its more than that, bieng so focussed on a thread like this. You actually like the hand bag swining stuff, you probably feed off of it.
 
nobodies saying dhea/SD are the only actives in the product.

The conversation over the past couple pages has been trying to identify exactly which steroid IS in the product, since its apparently NOT what's on the label.
 
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