A Legend Returns...an epic Morry Log NPP/Masteron/TNE/Test/Tren Xtreme
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thundergod
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He's sleeping one off right now. lol
He'll pop in here later and grace us with hilarious Halloween party stories.
RickRock13
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Updates MORRY! Updates!!!...
Tomahawk88
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thundergod said:
Ya I have a feeling there will be an epic story to come.
morry
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Day 65-72
weight 216
Seems like I'm hovering at this weight
I've made some major modifictions to my overall layout. I apologize for the lack of updates. I never miss them, but quite honestly, this past week was very hard on me. It was the year anniversay of my little brother's death.
That being said, I only took two more days off than normal, my diet wasn't great but not horrible and my pinning routine had to be modified.
Right now I haven't pinned anything in 3 days. I've been off test for 2 weeks. If you look back at the pin records, I stopped recording I was on test, I just didn't harp on it. I'll get more into why I did this in a later post. It does boil down to the gyno sides tho. My body went into hyper aromatization and wasn't responding to letro and only aromasin slightly. This is almost back under control.
The plan is this. Once the side is gone, I'll continue the Props until finished as well as the tren. I'll start back test at 200mg a week and cruise on that until I am out, which should be FOY. This should give my body plenty of time to get used to having that mass.
I'll PCT after which shouldn't be as hard on me
More to come.
Morry
weight 216
Seems like I'm hovering at this weight
I've made some major modifictions to my overall layout. I apologize for the lack of updates. I never miss them, but quite honestly, this past week was very hard on me. It was the year anniversay of my little brother's death.
That being said, I only took two more days off than normal, my diet wasn't great but not horrible and my pinning routine had to be modified.
Right now I haven't pinned anything in 3 days. I've been off test for 2 weeks. If you look back at the pin records, I stopped recording I was on test, I just didn't harp on it. I'll get more into why I did this in a later post. It does boil down to the gyno sides tho. My body went into hyper aromatization and wasn't responding to letro and only aromasin slightly. This is almost back under control.
The plan is this. Once the side is gone, I'll continue the Props until finished as well as the tren. I'll start back test at 200mg a week and cruise on that until I am out, which should be FOY. This should give my body plenty of time to get used to having that mass.
I'll PCT after which shouldn't be as hard on me
More to come.
Morry
thundergod
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It's totally understandable, bro. No apologies necessary. You just take care of yourself. If you ever need to talk, you know my #.
chocolatemilk
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sorry bout ur loss bro
morry i think i get that hyper aromatization mode sometimes too man... sucks ass when you can't battle teh gynoz
morry i think i get that hyper aromatization mode sometimes too man... sucks ass when you can't battle teh gynoz
bigwhiteguy29
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do you think the tren was a bad idea?
ScottyDoc
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I don't think Tren has anything to do with his hyper-estro effects, but Morry can tell you about that better than me!
bigwhiteguy29
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I see, I am not as familiar with these types of AAS as I am PH/DS's. I would think maybe the Mast would help with that? Oh well hope as is well and you retain these awesome gains and still make progress.
DetroitHammer
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Tren is resistant to the aromatize enzyme. Tren, alone, won't aromatize to estrogen.
ScottyDoc
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Absolutely Correct!
MrKleen73
Legend
I know what it is like to lose a brother it took me several years to handle the anniversary with anything that felt like anything like normalcy. My brother was shot at my 21st birthday party. So I get a wonderful reminder every year on Feb 1 that can't be over looked or brushed under a carpet. Even with that special circumstance I can even begin to enjoy my birthdays again after a while and a good wife to help me through it. I understand brother. PM me if you need to talk to some one who has been through the same pain.
rochabp
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bitter sweet-he will always be a part of you but it will always remind you of the tragedy.
thats tough guys i feel for you guys, i dont know what i would if one of my brothers was no more- i choke up a lil bit just thinking about it.
ScottyDoc
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Kleen... I always knew we were Kindred Spirits Bro, not saying I have gone through what you or Morry has gone through, but I can say this, I do know what a TRUE FRIEND is and I can honestly say from the PM's and TXTs I have received from you and what you are saying to Morry right now... You are one of those Special TRUE FRIENDS! I'm sure Morry appreciates it as well, but I appreciate the few talks we have had, always both helpful and full of insite, so I THANK YOU!!!
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks!
Thanks Rocha! I hated my birthday for years and years but it has gotten easier and easier.
Thanks Al! Same here, you are a good man and friend.
bigwhiteguy29
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yeah gear and gettling swole is awesome but a length of a cycle is a long time usually a few months so sh!t comes up. It what makes these logs like journals. Just makes this site even deeper than others.
on a side note......are all you guys doing clomid at 150mg or something? haha just kiddin guys. Hang in there big dogs.
on a side note......are all you guys doing clomid at 150mg or something? haha just kiddin guys. Hang in there big dogs.
drchildress
Member
Morry- Guess who is back from the dead! Remember me big guy? I'm ready to get back on board.
morry
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. Sorry for letting you guys down for a week or so. Back on that horse tho!!!
We all make our decisions. If you're lucky enough not to have to live with the one you made, make no mistake, those that love you will live with it till their last breath.
I'm overdo to give the God of Thunder a call as it where. I wonder if my secure line to your realm still works?
All good man.
Agreed. I think I'm going to get a sh1t ton of Adex and give that a shot. I'll explain in a later post.
Bad as in why? Bad like having sex with a focking playboy model while you're married? Or bad like a bottle of tequila and two naked chics? If that is the bad you mean, then yes, tren was a bad idea. If you mean bad as in not good, absolutely not.
Bingo. Hyper Aromatization can be on set by a few different things. Of which Tren could indirectly be a contributor. High Blood pressure. Focked lipids and liver function. Diabetes as well, but I doubt that is a factor here and I think we can all agree Tren doesn't cause diabetes.
Depends. Everybody reacts to things differently and my body just didn't like me sticking a gram of test in it a week. That simple. It make every AI I've tried useless and bc I'm on a 19 Nor I cannot take tamoxifen. Well saying useless is an overstatement, but not nearly as effective.
Tren is chemically incapable of aromatizing. The body that aromatase binds to isn't available in tren or masteron. The bond is stable and will not allow aromatase to act on in. I think is it carbon position c9 and 10 or something like that.
Wow, I thought having Halloween focked forever was bad. Man, you're birthday. I'm so sorry to hear that brother. So very sorry to hear that and believe me, my heart goes out to you. I appreciate the kind words and support.
Mine made an unfortunate mistake with dugs and alcohol and had an enlarged heart. He went into a perfect storm and his heart stopped.
I stare at pictures of him still, sometimes to lecture him and sometimes to talk to him. Either way, I wish he were here.
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:lol: somber turn indeed. Let's get this thing back on track
I never expected it to hit me like this. Dropping of the test right before probably didn't help the depression, but fock it. I wasn't putting more test in my body till I got the estro under control
Patience!!!
You have a point. This is AM and we are here to learn, teach and lead. The nice part about this forum tho is there are so many good guys in here that will not only do those three but will mentor, listen and share. It is a good balance here.
Holy sh1t!!! I was just thinking about your log the other day. Welcome back!!! What do you have in store for us this time???
bigwhiteguy29
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awesome glad your back on track. hit it hard!
morry
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Day 78
weight 223 (+25) I didn't go to the gym and my diet wasn't horrible but def wasn't great. My body appreciated the rest, but I hate that I picked up that much weight. I'll just have to take it back off, huh?
Pinned 300 mg masteron and NPP. Pinned 50 mg tren. Took letro, aromasin and caber. The one thing I learned on this cycle is if you can't get the estro under control, stop taking the test. This is a last resort, but if you are taking 5mg of letro a day and 50mg of aromasin and you are barely making a difference???? Time to lower the test. I'm just one of those guys that won't be able to run that high of a dose again. I did 500mg no problem and letro dried me the fock out when that happened. Now if you are on a test only cycle, this would mean PCT. For me, however, I have enough other compounds that isn't really the case. I just kind of stalled things out a bit. I plan on taking 150mg of masteron and NPP EOD until they are both gone which should be about a week or so. I have 9 more pins of tren left, one of which is a 100mg pin. I could double up one day for my last heavy dead lift day....dunno yet. I will then resume test c at 200 mg a week until I run out which should be around the end of dec. I know it is a long ester, but if you do the math (specifically related to half life), 800mg weeks 1-3, 2mg week 4 and 1mg weeks 5-10, you'll quickly find out that I won't need but just a few days for enough of the hormone to cleave and make a difference and get levels above what my natural levels would be. The thought behind this zig zag in planning is the test c will allow a certain amount of recovery from all the harsher compounds I have been using and will allow my body 4-6 more weeks of the mass I've gained to get used to carrying around that much mucsle. A PCT off of just test is not that bad so I'm also theorizing that this will help the PCT in Jan. I'll PCT until I return to normal and be ready to get on a lean and mean stack for the summer. Mind you, most of this wasn't planned, but it is my body, it reacted and I had to take action to make sure I could still get the most out of this stack without getting permanent gyno which would focking suck.
Chest / Abs
Dumb bell flat bench 55x10, 105x12, 140x4, 115x10x8
Hammer incline 1ppsx10, 2ppsx10x10x10x10
Weighted Crunch 60x10, 120x15x15x15x15
Cable incline 50x15, 70x12, 80x10x10
WOD assistedx12x12x12x12
Oblique crunch 24kg kettlex14x12x12x12
Leg Raises 35lbDBx16x16x16x16
Ab cable pull down 190x30x30x30
Perfect pushup off a bench x15x15x15
Incline Pushupx12x10x10
Incline Cable Flies 60x10, 40x12x10x10
Decline Cable Flies 40x12x12x10x10
BB Swings 25lbx10x10x10x10
All in all a very good workout.
I owe you guys an apology for being so slack. I do have at least a week and half of this cycle full on. This is going to be challenging to get this weight back down going into the holiday's, but starting next season around 215 and single digits would be very, very nice.
Thank you all for hanging in there with me. I'm not sure I'll run a cycle that coincides with that part of the year again.....or maybe I will just bc I hate being beat by anything.
Pics below. You def see the weight difference from the lack of exercise and slacking on the diet.
Morry
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weight 223 (+25) I didn't go to the gym and my diet wasn't horrible but def wasn't great. My body appreciated the rest, but I hate that I picked up that much weight. I'll just have to take it back off, huh?
Pinned 300 mg masteron and NPP. Pinned 50 mg tren. Took letro, aromasin and caber. The one thing I learned on this cycle is if you can't get the estro under control, stop taking the test. This is a last resort, but if you are taking 5mg of letro a day and 50mg of aromasin and you are barely making a difference???? Time to lower the test. I'm just one of those guys that won't be able to run that high of a dose again. I did 500mg no problem and letro dried me the fock out when that happened. Now if you are on a test only cycle, this would mean PCT. For me, however, I have enough other compounds that isn't really the case. I just kind of stalled things out a bit. I plan on taking 150mg of masteron and NPP EOD until they are both gone which should be about a week or so. I have 9 more pins of tren left, one of which is a 100mg pin. I could double up one day for my last heavy dead lift day....dunno yet. I will then resume test c at 200 mg a week until I run out which should be around the end of dec. I know it is a long ester, but if you do the math (specifically related to half life), 800mg weeks 1-3, 2mg week 4 and 1mg weeks 5-10, you'll quickly find out that I won't need but just a few days for enough of the hormone to cleave and make a difference and get levels above what my natural levels would be. The thought behind this zig zag in planning is the test c will allow a certain amount of recovery from all the harsher compounds I have been using and will allow my body 4-6 more weeks of the mass I've gained to get used to carrying around that much mucsle. A PCT off of just test is not that bad so I'm also theorizing that this will help the PCT in Jan. I'll PCT until I return to normal and be ready to get on a lean and mean stack for the summer. Mind you, most of this wasn't planned, but it is my body, it reacted and I had to take action to make sure I could still get the most out of this stack without getting permanent gyno which would focking suck.
Chest / Abs
Dumb bell flat bench 55x10, 105x12, 140x4, 115x10x8
Hammer incline 1ppsx10, 2ppsx10x10x10x10
Weighted Crunch 60x10, 120x15x15x15x15
Cable incline 50x15, 70x12, 80x10x10
WOD assistedx12x12x12x12
Oblique crunch 24kg kettlex14x12x12x12
Leg Raises 35lbDBx16x16x16x16
Ab cable pull down 190x30x30x30
Perfect pushup off a bench x15x15x15
Incline Pushupx12x10x10
Incline Cable Flies 60x10, 40x12x10x10
Decline Cable Flies 40x12x12x10x10
BB Swings 25lbx10x10x10x10
All in all a very good workout.
I owe you guys an apology for being so slack. I do have at least a week and half of this cycle full on. This is going to be challenging to get this weight back down going into the holiday's, but starting next season around 215 and single digits would be very, very nice.
Thank you all for hanging in there with me. I'm not sure I'll run a cycle that coincides with that part of the year again.....or maybe I will just bc I hate being beat by anything.
Pics below. You def see the weight difference from the lack of exercise and slacking on the diet.
Morry
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pillsRgood
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What gym do you work out that has 140lb dumbells? My stupid gym only has 120's and has forced me to move on to the shoulder murdering flat bench.... I'm so envious of your 140's!!
redman24
Banned
i am starting to wonder wether gyno on test is not necessarily due to estrogen. you are taking aromasin which, as far as i know, inhibits aromatase by up to 98%. letro is even more, correct?
maybe this has to do with other hormonal changes, igf-1 levels etc. (i really have no clue)
have you considered surgery? get rid of it once and for all and then you can run 5 grams of test
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maybe this has to do with other hormonal changes, igf-1 levels etc. (i really have no clue)
have you considered surgery? get rid of it once and for all and then you can run 5 grams of test
))
DetroitHammer
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i am starting to wonder wether gyno on test is not necessarily due to estrogen. you are taking aromasin which, as far as i know, inhibits aromatase by up to 98%. letro is even more, correct?
maybe this has to do with other hormonal changes, igf-1 levels etc. (i really have no clue)
have you considered surgery? get rid of it once and for all and then you can run 5 grams of test
It's not the test, it's the NPP. Nandrolone produces a synthetic metabolite called estren. It's the effects of estren via the AR by way of the metabolite nandrolone, which in turn activates the estrogen specific transcripts that cause estrogenic problems in males. The only way to stop that would be to block the AR receptor, killing all anabolic activities. AI's won't make a dent in stopping estren or it's eventual path binding to the AR. No one wants to admit that NPP has uncontrollable estrogenic sides because they're all hung up on the fact that nandrolone isn't affected by the aromatase enzyme, therefore, no worries. Yet, there's Deca D ick, gyno and so on that everyone wants to attribute to anything but nandrolone. An effective AI will stop 98% of aromatization, regardless of the volume, but it won't stop nandrolone's feminizing effects.
ScottyDoc
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Don't let him Bull$hit you, he has those in his home-gym, he made them out of two riding lawnmower tires, a 24" Iron rod, & some cement, the trick was pouring the cement into the tires while on a scale to get the to be weighted evenly from one side to the other, but they work and the tire protects them if he wants to slam them down!
morry
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Wow, this answers a lot of questions.Not many people report sides like this, but I did. Do some research if you haven't read about this. Google "estren nandrolone" and start looking things up. This explains why no AI was touching my problem. It also explains why my joints never dried out. I'm dropping NPP today. I think at lower doses it would be just fine for lubing the joints, but as an anabolic, If this pans out to be true, I will not be using it at those doses again. I feel dumb I never ran across this. I kept researching "ai resistant" or "letro non responder" and all sorts of stuff with nothing found. I could only assume I stopped responding, but it seems I was off base. This isn't commonly known research IMO. Check it out though, very, very interesting reading. Apparently, estren binds to the AR receptor in a way that promotes estrogenic sides without the need of aromatase or the need of direct interaction with estrogen receptor. This explains why an AI had no effect on me (no noticeable effect that is) and that the caber didn't do much to reduce things either (although I never really thought that was the problem). Aromasin did do something more when added, but I don't know why and I cannot explain it at this point. Estren only stays alive when nandrolone is produced synthetically as well (remember nandrolone is naturally occurring hormone). This metabolite has explained a lot and I imagine I'll do a lot more reading. I'm done with the NPP. If I use it in the future, it will probably be in very small doses (200mg a week or less). I don't think adding the test back in yet is a great idea. I'll prob wait till the end of the week and make a judgement call from there. Detroit, you rock man. Thank you for shining light on this situation.
ScottyDoc
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All very informative stuff, that is why I Love your LOG so much, I truly learn a lot, very good to know... Thanks Morry & Detroit Hammer for the insight!
bigwhiteguy29
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Wow another reason why logs are great.
swollen87
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wow... if i have a question about anything... all i have to do is refer to morrys threads....
so essentially, you could drop the npp& start test back up with minimal issues?
i think the ph kicker did/does something simmilar to what NPP does, certain ph/ds i have run, have caused a flair-that neither prami/caber or letro/nolva/aromasin could stop...
at one point running superdrol, i was @ 2.5 mg letro and .5 eod caber and still had puffy, swollen nips.... wtf!?
so essentially, you could drop the npp& start test back up with minimal issues?
i think the ph kicker did/does something simmilar to what NPP does, certain ph/ds i have run, have caused a flair-that neither prami/caber or letro/nolva/aromasin could stop...
at one point running superdrol, i was @ 2.5 mg letro and .5 eod caber and still had puffy, swollen nips.... wtf!?
thundergod
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I'm one of the lucky ones that Nandrolones don't effect that way.
Still, I prefer to run my Deca at very low joint-supportive doses.
Still, I prefer to run my Deca at very low joint-supportive doses.
drchildress
Member
Pure insanity my man. Time will tell! I'm going to be working with a current ifbb professional and some top guys in the industry if all goes well. It will be my entry into competition next season and hopefully my first appearance at a national level. This is the one thing I'm passionate about and dammit I'm going to make a go at it. I don't want to say to much and spoil the fun.
ScottyDoc
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Good Luck Bro, please post a LOG documenting your journey, I will be sure to follow!!!
ScottyDoc
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Hey guys, I'm not sure if Morry the Invincible wants me to report this to you guys, but he was horseback riding with his Girl and lets just say... Man vs. Beast, the 1,200Lb beast won! He was thrown from his horse on Saturday and had to go to the hospital and has suffered from fractured ribs, I'll let him give all the details, but I just wanted everyone to know that he has not given up, just needs his time to heal, I'm sure he will be online and let everyone know what is going on! I am one of the lucky few who has gotten to meet someone I have met here on this forum and Morry (David) is one hell of a guy and a true friend, so I just ask for everyone to wish him a fast recovery!
Morry... The Real Deal... Shall return!!!
In the words of Morry himself...
Morry... The Real Deal... Shall return!!!
In the words of Morry himself...
TheDarkHalf
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Dang that sucks! Wishing you a speedy recovery Morry.
GH might help with recovery. Something to think about.
GH might help with recovery. Something to think about.
bigwhiteguy29
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holy sh!t thats scary man! best of luck in recover.