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what are some of the better ones? I am looking to get a bottle, but there are so many i wanted to make sure I get some reputable that you guys have had before.
Sup3r-PCT has Fadogia Agrestis in it too.I bet this thread will derail quick.
My two favorites also happen to be Alphamax XT and M-test. I like the addition of Fadogia in M-Test, as it boosts my libido pretty high
I have yet to try the OL products, but have heard good things.
Yup, I just only commented on products have tried. Plus I couldn't run Sup3r PCT because of the DAA. My stomach can't handle it.Sup3r-PCT has Fadogia Agrestis in it too.
I ran CEL MTEST as well with blood work done about 5 weeks in, the results came back slightly worse than my previous blood work. I was in the normal range but on the low end. I ran alphamax xt and it was a little better but not great IMO. I would look into OL for testify or kingsblood. They both seem to be pretty solid.You're going to get A LOT of different answers and opinions here.
The two forum favourites seem to be CEL's M-Test and PerforMax's AlphaMax XT.
I've ran and logged CEL's M-Test with pre and post blood results, but got nothing from it.
I've run OL's Testify with some nice motivational lift and positive blood results.
I'm looking to try OL's Sup3r-PCT next because the profile looks amazing and OL is a solid and reputable brand. I'd recommend you look into it too.
I've already done Test1fy and DID actually notice some slight improvements and had bloodwork to confirm it worked.I ran CEL MTEST as well with blood work done about 5 weeks in, the results came back slightly worse than my previous blood work. I was in the normal range but on the low end. I ran alphamax xt and it was a little better but not great IMO. I would look into OL for testify or kingsblood. They both seem to be pretty solid.
I think Alphamax XT would be a great choice for your current goals. Alphamax XT packs a powerful and complete profile that will help to increase natural testosterone levels, limit cortisol and estrogen levels, and help speed recovery. I think that a product like this would be excellent, especially considering you will be incorporating high volume training and lots of cardio. Alphamax XT will work to optimize your natural hormone levels while also reducing stress in the body that will help you to recover quicker and put on some quality size and strength.what are some of the better ones? I am looking to get a bottle, but there are so many i wanted to make sure I get some reputable that you guys have had before.
I think AlphaMax XT and M-Test are the two top test boosters on the market as well. Can't go wrong with either.I bet this thread will derail quick.
My two favorites also happen to be Alphamax XT and M-test. I like the addition of Fadogia in M-Test, as it boosts my libido pretty high.
Alphamax XT adds in an AI(DHAA) plus F95 both which I prefer for fat loss.
I have yet to try the OL products, but have heard good things.
At the risk of sounding pedantic, are we really recommending/mentioning prohormone products (I know, I know, it's not "only/really" a prohormone product, but it does indeed contain prohormone ingredients; if the prohormones aren't dosed high enough to cause any suppression/shutdown, why use them? Can we really assume that such a low dose of a prohormone will provide the benefits associated with higher doses without any of the suppression that comes with it? Why not always/permanently run low-dosed PHs then?) in a thread asking about test boosters? I know you said "it's not technically a test booster," but why even mention it ITT?I personally love Test-RX by Formutech. It's not technically a natural test booster but it works amazing for me.
I'm actually researching into and looking into actually doing this. 500-750mg of Epi-Andro everyday, kind oflike an Andro based TRT.Why not always/permanently run low-dosed PHs then?)
Note: I'm not saying it doesn't "work" by any means, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what this thread is asking for/about.
Wouldn't there still be some sort of suppression associated with that? I'm not saying it's inherently a bad idea, just that it's NOT a test booster and not "natural."I'm actually researching into and looking into actually doing this. 500-750mg of Epi-Andro everyday, kind oflike an Andro based TRT.
Oh yeah, I totally understand the pro's and con's of doing it. As I said, I've researched into it A LOT and spoken to a few people who actually do this. I have a collegue that has been on 750mg of Epi-Andro ED now for 5 months straight, and he's never felt or looked better. It turns out that most of his problems stemmed from naturally low testosterone levels and from his second month on Epi-Andro he just said that his quality of life has improved, and continues to improve, massively.Wouldn't there still be some sort of suppression associated with that? I'm not saying it's inherently a bad idea, just that it's NOT a test booster and not "natural."
Ok. The thing, and it makes sense what you and this guy are saying/doing, is that you are using it in an almost TRT-lik manner, which means consistent and long-term, and also means that you can't really just stop it whenever you feel like and not expect some level of suppression. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what is being discussed in this thread. With a "test booster" you can use it whenever you want, and don't have to worry about PCT/suppression and/or cycle-support, where with andros/PHs you do, or at least you should. With a test booster, you can use it for 4, 8, or 12 weeks and then just stop using it without having to think about it any farther, where this may not be the best idea with PHs/andros, even at lower doses.Oh yeah, I totally understand the pro's and con's of doing it. As I said, I've researched into it A LOT and spoken to a few people who actually do this. I have a collegue that has been on 750mg of Epi-Andro ED now for 5 months straight, and he's never felt or looked better. It turns out that most of his problems stemmed from naturally low testosterone levels and from his second month on Epi-Andro he just said that his quality of life has improved, and continues to improve, massively.
As with all of the other Andro products Epi-Andro is very mild and has a very low level of toxicity, but he takes all of the health supports and gets blood tests every 8 weeks to keep everything in check.
You're going to get A LOT of different answers and opinions here.
The two forum favourites seem to be CEL's M-Test and PerforMax's AlphaMax XT.
I've ran and logged CEL's M-Test with pre and post blood results, but got nothing from it.
I've run OL's Testify with some nice motivational lift and positive blood results.
I'm looking to try OL's Sup3r-PCT next because the profile looks amazing and OL is a solid and reputable brand. I'd recommend you look into it too.
Very Interesting posts by both of you with the bloodwork and all. Thanks for sharing!I ran CEL MTEST as well with blood work done about 5 weeks in, the results came back slightly worse than my previous blood work. I was in the normal range but on the low end. I ran alphamax xt and it was a little better but not great IMO. I would look into OL for testify or kingsblood. They both seem to be pretty solid.
I know, I went off subject slightly on a tangent from when you saidI'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what is being discussed in this thread.
And went from there.Why not always/permanently run low-dosed PHs then?)
Note: I'm not saying it doesn't "work" by any means, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what this thread is asking for/about.
I did 1 month Kingsblood and got results.I ran CEL MTEST as well with blood work done about 5 weeks in, the results came back slightly worse than my previous blood work. I was in the normal range but on the low end. I ran alphamax xt and it was a little better but not great IMO. I would look into OL for testify or kingsblood. They both seem to be pretty solid.
I would suggest he get his prostate checked-seriously!!!Oh yeah, I totally understand the pro's and con's of doing it. As I said, I've researched into it A LOT and spoken to a few people who actually do this. I have a collegue that has been on 750mg of Epi-Andro ED now for 5 months straight, and he's never felt or looked better. It turns out that most of his problems stemmed from naturally low testosterone levels and from his second month on Epi-Andro he just said that his quality of life has improved, and continues to improve, massively.
As with all of the other Andro products Epi-Andro is very mild and has a very low level of toxicity, but he takes all of the health supports and gets blood tests every 8 weeks to keep everything in check.
Ok. The thing, and it makes sense what you and this guy are saying/doing, is that you are using it in an almost TRT-lik manner, which means consistent and long-term, and also means that you can't really just stop it whenever you feel like and not expect some level of suppression. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what is being discussed in this thread. With a "test booster" you can use it whenever you want, and don't have to worry about PCT/suppression and/or cycle-support, where with andros/PHs you do, or at least you should. With a test booster, you can use it for 4, 8, or 12 weeks and then just stop using it without having to think about it any farther, where this may not be the best idea with PHs/andros, even at lower doses.
I know he gets bloodwork, so surely if anything was wrong with his prostate it would show up in that?I would suggest he get his prostate checked-seriously!!!
I get bloods done 4-5 times a year...psa for prostate is only done once a year, I don't think it is included in a standard panel but not sure, it isn't in my case.I know he gets bloodwork, so surely if anything was wrong with his prostate it would show up in that?
He goes to a private clinical centre and pays a fortune so I don't think it's a standard panel, I'm not too sure whether he gets physicals done aswell though. Could the Epi-Andro cause prostate cancer?I get bloods done 4-5 times a year...psa for prostate is only done once a year, I don't think it is included in a standard panel but not sure, it isn't in my case.
maybe...I would be more worried about enlarged prostate-my months of 750 epi is a lot of converted dht, imo.....tell him to get some beta siterosol/spelling...He goes to a private clinical centre and pays a fortune so I don't think it's a standard panel, I'm not too sure whether he gets physicals done aswell though. Could the Epi-Andro cause prostate cancer?
Not to convince that dht has much of a effect on prostate (it obviously does but how much?) I've been reading through some research (new and old) seem that e2 and androstenedione:androstenediol ratios(ie lower Dione to diol) effect the prostate the most. I could be totally of base and wrong. Like I said this is my opinion and I'm not a qualified medical professionalmaybe...I would be more worried about enlarged prostate-my months of 750 epi is a lot of converted dht, imo.....tell him to get some beta siterosol/spelling...
Realistically, he may feel better but it is just suppressing his T levels further, likely E as well as a result, and anabolism overall. A pretty stupid thing to be doing to be totally honest.Oh yeah, I totally understand the pro's and con's of doing it. As I said, I've researched into it A LOT and spoken to a few people who actually do this. I have a collegue that has been on 750mg of Epi-Andro ED now for 5 months straight, and he's never felt or looked better. It turns out that most of his problems stemmed from naturally low testosterone levels and from his second month on Epi-Andro he just said that his quality of life has improved, and continues to improve, massively.
As with all of the other Andro products Epi-Andro is very mild and has a very low level of toxicity, but he takes all of the health supports and gets blood tests every 8 weeks to keep everything in check.
What's your opinion on what I said. I'm curious to what you think.Realistically, he may feel better but it is just suppressing his T levels further, likely E as well as a result, and anabolism overall. A pretty stupid thing to be doing to be totally honest.
As far as I am aware, as at 2017 the whole area of prostate growth/cancer reasoning is still not well eluded to. An estrogen/androgen imbalance has been implicated however.What's your opinion on what I said. I'm curious to what you think.
I've known him for about five years now and he's made more progress over the past few months than he has over the whole previous months/years. He's in amazing shape now. So anabolism is definitely IN his favour.Realistically, he may feel better but it is just suppressing his T levels further, likely E as well as a result, and anabolism overall. A pretty stupid thing to be doing to be totally honest.
The long term effects of PH use are not really known, at best we can only speculate. Running anything like that long term, you'd need to consider cost vs simply being on TRT, potential for irreversible suppressed T, effect on blood values (viscosity, RBC count etc.), liver values, kidney values, cholesterol density values etc, and you'd essentially be figuring this out on your own unlike doc prescribed TRT.I've known him for about five years now and he's made more progress over the past few months than he has over the whole previous months/years. He's in amazing shape now. So anabolism is definitely IN his favour.
I suppose if he just stays ON, as someone on TRT would, then the suppression/post cycle side effects wouldn't really effect him?
Well the only way to really find out is to try it out. Safety will come down to implimenting the correct diet and supplement stratagies, such as increasing water intake, increasing fresh produce intake, Organ support supplements etcThe long term effects of PH use are not really known, at best we can only speculate. Running anything like that long term, you'd need to consider cost vs simply being on TRT, potential for irreversible suppressed T, effect on blood values (viscosity, RBC count etc.), liver values, kidney values, cholesterol density values etc, and you'd essentially be figuring this out on your own unlike doc prescribed TRT.
Just be careful going this route, and be sure to get periodic full bloods
It seems that it'd probably be better long term to just go on TRT than run PHs indefinitely. I suppose the PH route is probably cheaper, doesn't require injections, technically doesn't inherently require doctor supervision/approval, etc (i.e. it's easier), but like you said, we don't really know much at all about long term PH use.The long term effects of PH use are not really known, at best we can only speculate. Running anything like that long term, you'd need to consider cost vs simply being on TRT, potential for irreversible suppressed T, effect on blood values (viscosity, RBC count etc.), liver values, kidney values, cholesterol density values etc, and you'd essentially be figuring this out on your own unlike doc prescribed TRT.
Just be careful going this route, and be sure to get periodic full bloods
Regardless, Epi-andro is already 5-alpha reduced so it will not convert downstream into Test or Estrogen. So it is not TRT and will end badly.Well the only way to really find out is to try it out. Safety will come down to implimenting the correct diet and supplement stratagies, such as increasing water intake, increasing fresh produce intake, Organ support supplements etc
I don't usually advocate the use of 4-AD but what about self administered 4-Andro PH based TRT, which converts to both T and E?Regardless, Epi-andro is already 5-alpha reduced so it will not convert downstream into Test or Estrogen. So it is not TRT and will end badly.
That's comforting to know it wasn't just me. Once kingsblood goes on sale I plan to run it and hopefully feel at least something. What have you noticed from it?I did 1 month Kingsblood and got results.
Took month off, now on AlphaMax but not feeling anything from it
Op never stated "natural test booster" which is why I recomended it. I only included the "natural" verbage due to people complaining about the product not being natural. Although I dont feel the amount of ingedients to cause any suppression personally. I can't say 100% in different individuals that it wouldnt. Test-Rx is marketed as Formutechs Test Booster. It's personally my favorite of our "test boosting" products. There are many more options available. People love Novadex XT and I have used Testabolan as well. I just peronally enjoy Test-RxAt the risk of sounding pedantic, are we really recommending/mentioning prohormone products (I know, I know, it's not "only/really" a prohormone product, but it does indeed contain prohormone ingredients; if the prohormones aren't dosed high enough to cause any suppression/shutdown, why use them? Can we really assume that such a low dose of a prohormone will provide the benefits associated with higher doses without any of the suppression that comes with it? Why not always/permanently run low-dosed PHs then?) in a thread asking about test boosters? I know you said "it's not technically a test booster," but why even mention it ITT?
Note: I'm not saying it doesn't "work" by any means, just that it doesn't fit the bill of what this thread is asking for/about.
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