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Well it was a big flop.Yes.... it's called a joke
Leave the jokes to the people with senses of humor.
Well it was a big flop.Yes.... it's called a joke
Lol, ok you obviously have no sense of humor.Well it was a big flop.
Leave the jokes to the people with senses of humor.
If you pulse trib it has shown increased humor sensitivity.... Anecdotally speakingLol, ok you obviously have no sense of humor.
See. Now thats funny. Topical and sarcastic.If you pulse trib it has shown increased humor sensitivity.... Anecdotally speaking
Albeit there are known non-responders...obviously.If you pulse trib it has shown increased humor sensitivity.... Anecdotally speaking
Well maybe if it was stacked with black liver... Also Anecdotally speaking of course.If you pulse trib it has shown increased humor sensitivity.... Anecdotally speaking
Mine is similar, started on TRT at 40, with having blood tests starting at 35 showing me low. Never touched a steroid or prohormone till after I started TRT.Going that route? I don't follow. I was 43 yrs old with classic symptoms and clinical diagnosis of hypogonadism that were and still are remedied as a result. It was not a result of steroid use or abuse. No regrets at all.
I pulsed havoc (epi clone) for 8 weeks. 3 times. 12 week cycles is just a tad too serious for my desired results and pockets.Have any1 seen epi pulse for 8-12weeks ?
I have seen Sd pulse works great EOD .. i know epi is a lot lighter but used to hear talk about epistane being pulsed as well.
Do you mean ED dosing here? Or it was 3x per week or else?Did a 4 week pulse of anadrol 50, once in the morning.
It was an every other day dosing scheme. 4 times a week. The effect took pretty long to kick in though, like only on the 3rd week did I start experiencing significant strength gains. One thing I noticed is also that I tend to take really really really long pisses when I wake up on my off days even though I didnt drink much the night before, could explain why there's no bloating.Do you mean ED dosing here? Or it was 3x per week or else?
Also I have a question to everyone experienced in alternative schemes. When doing 3ON/4OFF are you dosing once daily on those 3 consecutive days or multiple times daily (e.g. 3 per day for dbol) to get fully ON for 3 days then recover for 4 days? And when you have not 1 or 2, but 4 days OFF it seems like compound doesn't have to have really short half-life (e.g. 12 or even 20 is ok), do it?
Bump... How many doses per day when pulsing Dbol? Would there be any benefit to dosing it just pre-workout on a 3 on 4 off scheme or would you want to dose 3x a day on dosing days?When doing 3ON/4OFF are you dosing once daily on those 3 consecutive days or multiple times daily (e.g. 3 per day for dbol) to get fully ON for 3 days then recover for 4 days?
Don't worry DR.D should be chiming in here any minute now.Bump... How many doses per day when pulsing Dbol? Would there be any benefit to dosing it just pre-workout on a 3 on 4 off scheme or would you want to dose 3x a day on dosing days?
How does this work with orals like stanozol that have a short half life? I was always told that it most be constant in your system to even out?? Thanks FrankA lot of guys have been asking me to clarify the theory behind this cycling technique, so here's a basic explanation.
What is "pulse" cycling? Pulsing is a method of dosing that is intentionally designed to avoid potential long-term side effects such as HPTA suppression and liver stress. This technique was originally developed in an effort to prevent the usual HPAA suppression experienced during long-term corticosteroid therapy in children. With pulse therapy, it was observed that the serious long-term side effects of chronic oral treatment were often prevented, and the short-term side effects like acne and mineral retention were typically much milder. This can also allow for higher doses to be used since the dosing is less frequent. Starting with this template, if one normally takes a product at 30 mg/day, that equals a total intake of 210 mg/week. While pulsing, one might typically take 40 mg of that same product on work out days only, 3 times per week. That calculates to 120 mg/week total, which is 90 mg less than usual. This provides the needed benefits of the product at arguably the most crucial metabolic times, which are just before and just after a work out. This offers a means of possibly attenuating the endocrine suppression that one might otherwise encounter on a standard cycle. In many cases, a conventional post cycle therapy should not be required after a typical 4 week pulse. However, while pulses of 6-8 weeks are permissible, a conventional post cycle therapy may still be prudent for some individuals. Idiosyncrasy seems to play a big role in regard to tolerance of duration, so general predictions obviously become tricky as duration increases.
Theoretically, if one doses every day in perfectly spaced intervals, one should achieve 100% effects, 100% short-term sides, and 100% long-term sides. If one doses every other day like the pulse protocol, one might better anticipate 60% effects, 75% short-term sides but only about 40% of the long-term sides. This means that if one would have gained 10 pounds on a standard 1 month cycle, one might instead only gain about 6 pounds per month pulsing. Since the time on is roughly only half when pulsing, the total length of the cycle can be doubled to basically 2 months. Using the same calculation, the net result would be a gain of 12 pounds over 2 months, instead of the 10 pound gain expected from the 1 month standard cycle. That means a greater net gain of 2 pounds per cycle, and perhaps a more permanent gain due to the slower rate of acquisition and longer time of reinforcement! For this reason, pulsing can be very economical on the body as well as the wallet, and offer a desirable alternative for conservative veterans just looking to stay in shape, or potential new comers exploring additional safety measures.
There are three common types of pulse:
1) EOD dosing (3-4 times per week)
2) 2 days on / 2 days off
3) 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off (2 wks is the longest viable on time consideration, no longer)
Depending on one's workout schedule, one of these options may offer optimal pulsing efficiency. On average, effective doses may typically be around 1.5x the normal daily dose of a standard cycle, and these doses are taken very close to one other. It's not essential that the last dose be administered before 6 pm, but the earlier the better for reducing suppression potential. Half the total dose can be taken pre work out, and the other half taken post work out. If an odd numbered dose is used, the greater of the 2 doses might best be taken pre work out. However, when pulsing non-methylated or fast acting supplements, the greater dose would instead be best utilized post work out based on half-life considerations. Individuals who are extremely sensitive to shutdown may even prefer to take the entire dose pre work out. When pulsing, dosing at least 3 day per week but not more than 4 day per week should foster optimal results.
There are a few miscellaneous nutrition considerations that would be wise to keep in mind. Having a quality, high carb/calorie post work out meal (or shake) is important to proper recovery, and ingesting sufficient protein especially on the off days doesn't hurt either. A cortisol antagonist like low dose DHEA (25-50 mg) may be helpful for slow healers or hard gainers. Some studies show that cortisol peaks in the morning and again in the mid afternoon, which might therefore be the ideal times for an anti-cort. An herbal or AI based test-boosting supplement used nightly (or at least on one's off nights) might prove very effective as additional insurance to discourage the possibility of suppression. SERMs with long half-lives probably require extra consideration and caution. One may observe that testicular volume and/or testosterone levels reset slightly above previous baseline at the end of 2 consecutive off days, or at the end of the cycle itself. This phenomenon is called 'bounce' back. This seemingly paradoxical bounce appears to reflect the body's short-term homeostasis effort, and acts somewhat like a built-in pct with this method. It's also good to remember that the smaller number of dose exposures likely means faster liver clearance of your supplement. Liver ancillaries (like healthy oils and anti-oxidants) are not contraindicated, but Milk Thistle in high doses could act counter productive to gains. Therefore, if you elect to use liver protectants, reserving them for off days only might be good middle ground. As always, I suggest that one only consider using legal, commercially available nutritional supplements, and always consult a physician prior to use of any supplement. Cycle safe!
Example of a 3x/wk pulse M,W,F:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 30-60
8 30-60
Example of a 4x/wk pulse Sat, Sun, Wed, Thur:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
You don't what don't understand your answer brother?It's easy you don't
all orals have short half life some shorter than others and that is precisely why you can pulse them.How does this work with orals like stanozol that have a short half life? I was always told that it most be constant in your system to even out?? Thanks Frank
Lol!!! That's what the thread is about orals!!!Lol the answer is you don't pulse orals
Hence the title of the thread"how to pulse orals" lol!Lol the answer is you don't pulse orals
Lol!!! That's what the thread is about orals!!!
No need to entertain ignorance on the matter.Hence the title of the thread"how to pulse orals" lol!
Your rightNo need to entertain ignorance on the matter.
Oh! He'll be back! !Dr D has commented plenty and written pages on this. Dont hold your breath. Even thinking hell see this is pathetic.
and I did, and enjoyed it.shut a window, and open a door, jbry is going to pulse sd next time I use it.
So whats the deal with this ( i dont really wanna go through the entire thread haha) Is pulsing the way to go? SHould I be planning to pulse my future cycles? I have Var cycles in mind btw.and I did, and enjoyed it.
Well, the intitial post on page 1 is all you really need. I think it's good for guys who are worn out from harsh compounds.So whats the deal with this ( i dont really wanna go through the entire thread haha) Is pulsing the way to go? SHould I be planning to pulse my future cycles? I have Var cycles in mind btw.
Pulsing isnt worth it imo. keeping blood plasma levels of a drug as constant as possible i.e. Dosing orals daily is best bet . Unless something had a extremely long half life then you are technically pulsing it allready by taking it e3d . Just stick to what you know my friend !So whats the deal with this ( i dont really wanna go through the entire thread haha) Is pulsing the way to go? SHould I be planning to pulse my future cycles? I have Var cycles in mind btw.
true. it wouldnt be worth it when stacked with injectables right anyways right?Well, the intitial post on page 1 is all you really need. I think it's good for guys who are worn out from harsh compounds.
Gotcha, thats what I thought. I was wondering if I had just missed out on some truth here but ill be on my way hahaPulsing may lengthen an oral only run if that's the goal but imo orals twice a day will pack the biggest punch as a kickstart to a cycle and be a sub par option for an oral only run usually do to shorter half lives and hormones will be up and down like a roller coaster.
I basically pulsed trest phenyl prop/ace 30mg injected 3x per week and pulsed my sd tabs, 25mg 2-3 times per week.true. it wouldnt be worth it when stacked with injectables right anyways right?
Yes. At least itt you know your postz wont be deleted by a phagott know-it-all OP.I'll try to find my data on how steroids work on the cellular level and post it up.
Both yes and no. Pulsing by itself it’s out dated and not a good idea but taking an oral 3x a week on cycle is not a bad idea and can add to a little extra performance in the gym.This still a thing?
@UnrealMachine would probably disagree with you. I was considering pulsing SD this fall. Haven't pulsed yet.Both yes and no. Pulsing by itself it’s out dated and not a good idea but taking an oral 3x a week on cycle is not a bad idea and can add to a little extra performance in the gym.
What would he disagree with? It’s impossible to disagree that pulsing is better ON cycle than OFF.@UnrealMachine would probably disagree with you. I was considering pulsing SD this fall. Haven't pulsed yet.
I think I misunderstood your post. What would be pulsing off cycle be? I didn't even know that was a thing.What would he disagree with? It’s impossible to disagree that pulsing is better ON cycle than OFF.
What did you misunderstand?I think I misunderstood your post. What would be pulsing off cycle be? I didn't even know that was a thing.