Tell me about Cistamax

[Grayson]

Never used ABE and pretty excited to give it a crack. I also really enjoyed Amento but have been off it the last 12 weeks while i ran cista bridged with Anabeta, im am planning at stopping my reverse diet in a few weeks at 3200cals and starting the TTA and 11KT recomp log. Should be fun times ahead

You should probably change your handle then. 11KT is a PH. Plus unless you're running it with something else, you won't see much. It's a stacker and nothing more.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

what is 11-kt a pro hormone to? I thought it was the actual final form of the target hormone. And yeah yeah pretty ironic my username and all but what can you do... Im not aiming for significant mass gains im going for recomp, which in the past ive been very successful in doing without the use of hormones.

 

[Grayson]

what is 11-kt a pro hormone to? I thought it was the actual final form of the target hormone. And yeah yeah pretty ironic my username and all but what can you do... Im not aiming for significant mass gains im going for recomp, which in the past ive been very successful in doing without the use of hormones.

My apologies. It's an active hormone. I wrote a review for my blog, but haven't quite finished yet.

Some cliffs: (and some of the info is lifted from IL themselves)

ron Legion makes the following claims about their product:

• 11-KT is active without conversion, is incapable of aromatization, and activates the androgen receptor as strongly as testosterone.
  
• 11-KT is also a strong and selective inhibitor of the reductase activity of 11β-HSD1, meaning that it reduces cortisol levels in fat tissue and in the liver. High levels of cortisol in those tissues are associated with a number of symptoms of ‘metabolic syndrome’, like increased hepatic glucose production, adipocyte differentiation, central obesity, and insulin resistance.

11β-HSD1: (11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) is an enzyme expressed in key metabolic tissues including liver, adipose tissue, and the central nervous system. Reduction of cortisol via this enzyme may reduce fat and allow the acquisition of muscle tissue, via central nervous system stimulation; simply allowing the trainee to lift and train with more volume and weight. Inhibition of this enzyme will NOT inherently build muscle.

First, the product is marketed incorrectly. It can be used during a weight reduction phase, and mileage will vary depending on the subject’s body fat percentage. But where this product will really shine is during a lean mass acquisition phase, with calories slightly above maintenance, a volume-based training regimen while stacked with another prohormone. The driest prohormone with the least amount of side-effects would be a 1-DHEA based product. On the safer side, a selective-androgen-receptor-modulator (SARM) such as Ostarine might be even safer. However, the main point is that this must be used in conjunction with another compound and a caloric surplus or it won’t be of much use.

I employed 11-KT during a cutting phase and used ECA in conjunction. ECA inherently raises cortisol therefore stacking the two made sense. At the beginning of the cycle I was 13.9% body fat and at the end I was 13.3% while maintaining a weight of 156. That means during the six weeks, I lost a pound of fat and gained a pound of muscle. With my diet not being as focused as possible, I’d call that a win. My only gripe is that this recomposition ended after ten days. That’s it. 1 pound lost and gained in 10 days. After those 10 days, the calipers showed no sign of fat lost nor muscle gained.
During these 10 days I was ravenous, ate till I felt full, experienced no bloat as a result, lost an inch of my waist and became more vascular. These side-effects diminished greatly, and in the subsequent weeks there weren’t any more positives to report on.

The negatives of the compound were an equal trade off to its positives. During the 6 weeks I was lethargic for most of the day and had some slight irritability. This compound isn’t supposed to shut down natural androgen function, so perhaps my body was/is too sensitive to handle it. The lethargy was only apparent in the beginning of the third week and lasted till the end of the cycle. This was while adhering to the standard 3 times a day dosage of ECA. As a result of my lethargy, I ate more and therefore the compound could not exert any of its fat reducing properties.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Thanks for posting your reivew on it! however, compounds effect everyone differently and although you didnt have such great results running it, there have been quite a few others who have ran it and really enjoyed it. As you noted the compound will shine in slight cal surplus which is right where about my cals are at. The inclusion of TTA should increase insulin sensitivity and also mitigate any potential fat gains which could pair very well with 11-kt's effects.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Heads up people, 6 caps of Cista for a period of time eventually effects your GI tract. stick with four.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Heads up people, 6 caps of Cista for a period of time eventually effects your GI tract. stick with four.

Was there any other benefit though?

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Probably complete placebo but I felt as though more oxygen was going into my lunges when ever taking deep breathes between sets. LOL best way I can describe it.

 

[henryv]

11β-HSD1: (11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 1) is an enzyme expressed in key metabolic tissues including liver, adipose tissue, and the central nervous system. Reduction of cortisol via this enzyme may reduce fat and allow the acquisition of muscle tissue, via central nervous system stimulation; simply allowing the trainee to lift and train with more volume and weight. Inhibition of this enzyme will NOT inherently build muscle.

Are you copy/pasting that from somewhere or did you write it yourself? It's not a CNS stim. Inhibition of 11b-HSD1 isn't supposed to build muscle. Activation of the androgen receptor builds muscle; inhibition of 11b-HSD1 reduces fat/fat gain.

the product is marketed incorrectly.
...the main point is that this must be used in conjunction with another compound and a caloric surplus or it won’t be of much use.

Lots and lots of people have used 11-KT in general, and XI-KT in particular, solo successfully to cut and recomp. I'm sorry you didn't like it.

 

[DAdams91982]

You guys who got in on this really lucked out. Many new tboosters on the market are using this product at like 1/25th the dose you get daily with cistamax. Unfortunately, as we said it was way too pricy to sell such a high dose of the studied extract longterm, so it looks like this may indeed be one and done. I'm clinging to hope that one of our other extraction methods pans out...eventually

This. As of this point in time it is one and done. It is unfortunate. There are a few left at some retailers, but our stock is gone, and it is not in the works.

 

[test112]

This. As of this point in time it is one and done. It is unfortunate. There are a few left at some retailers, but our stock is gone, and it is not in the works.

Nah I reckon they should keep on making it. C'mon AS/PES, do the right thing here!

 

[mr.cooper69]

Nah I reckon they should keep on making it. C'mon AS/PES, do the right thing here!

We lost money on that run due to cost of production, and we're losing money today by selling Select protein at less than market cost. We can only take so many losses for the consumer!

 

[Driven2lift]

We lost money on that run due to cost of production, and we're losing money today by selling Select protein at less than market cost. We can only take so many losses for the consumer!

Is it still considered a loss if it earned PES my love?

 

[T-Bone]

Is it still considered a loss if it earned PES my love?

So it wasn't already earned??

 

[Driven2lift]

So it wasn't already earned??

True.
Well it is regularly maintained lol

 

[test112]

We lost money on that run due to cost of production, and we're losing money today by selling Select protein at less than market cost. We can only take so many losses for the consumer!

Ah yes, but the more you do it, the better and more efficient you'll become!

I believe in you.

 

[LiveToLift]

We lost money on that run due to cost of production, and we're losing money today by selling Select protein at less than market cost. We can only take so many losses for the consumer!

Good point. I can't quite understand how Josh makes any profit with all the insider deals, promos and overall low cost on products. Definitely a company that keeps the consumer in mind over profit. Proud to be a part of such a company.

 

[Auslifter]

We lost money on that run due to cost of production, and we're losing money today by selling Select protein at less than market cost. We can only take so many losses for the consumer!

and the consumer promises to give back (well at least i sure will.) stocked up big time

 

[GreenMachineX]

Glad I got 3 extra bottles in the cupboard...

 

[Driven2lift]

Glad I got 3 extra bottles in the cupboard...

lucky, i am down to one

 

[LiveToLift]

lucky, i am down to one

As am I unfortunately!

 

[nattydisaster]

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/the-erasemax-stack-erase-pro-cistamax.html

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/analyzed-supplements/cistamax-120-capsules.html

http://www.bestpricenutrition.com/analyzed-supplements-cistamax-120-caps.html

 

[LiveToLift]

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/the-erasemax-stack-erase-pro-cistamax.html http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/analyzed-supplements/cistamax-120-capsules.html http://www.bestpricenutrition.com/analyzed-supplements-cistamax-120-caps.html

Good finds boss man. Many people have been searching.

 

[3clipseGT]

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/the-erasemax-stack-erase-pro-cistamax.html

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/analyzed-supplements/cistamax-120-capsules.html

http://www.bestpricenutrition.com/analyzed-supplements-cistamax-120-caps.html

Holy moly! I shouldnt buy anymore supps but I just cant pass this up!

 

[LiveToLift]

Holy moly! I shouldnt buy anymore supps but I just cant pass this up!

Definitely a must try. I would like to hear your feedback after running it brother.

 

[breezy11]

Definitely a must try. I would like to hear your feedback after running it brother.

I'd be interested in 3clipse's thoughts as well.

 

[LiveToLift]

I'd be interested in 3clipse's thoughts as well.

A very respected member of this board and always provides good clean feedback. Make this happen 3clipse!

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Hey fellas, the product description for Cistamax got me curious especially in regards to the claims re glucose stores and whatnot, as the majority of my training is high volume/frequency (as in whole body every consecutive day).

However, going by some of the user comments ITT it would seem that Amentomax is the 'better performer' in terms of strength increase and body comp modification.

Would people agree with this?

I will certainly be trying both products, no question there. Im just wanting feedback as to whether users found one 'more' beneficial (strength/hypertrophy and body comp) than the other, which will perhaps determine the quantities I purchase of each.

 

[3clipseGT]

I will definitely provide feedback once I get a good run in.

My plan is to run it atleast 8 weeks with it most likely being run for 12 on a cut. Once I get settled into my first semester back at school and get a feel for it ill most likely throw a log up to document my thoughts on it.

Until then ill be sipping on my delicious cookies and cream Select protein!

 

[JudoJosh]

I will definitely provide feedback once I get a good run in.

My plan is to run it atleast 8 weeks with it most likely being run for 12 on a cut. Once I get settled into my first semester back at school and get a feel for it ill most likely throw a log up to document my thoughts on it.

Until then ill be sipping on my delicious cookies and cream Select protein!

Kep us posted bud. I look forward to reading your feedback on it

 

[chedapalooza]

Amento for body comp and performance hands down IMO. On week 4 of cistamax and not sure if its doing anything. Only thing worth noting is that I've started getting morning wood again since taking cista. Maybe slight increase in aggression / drive to hit the weights but I'm usually always amped for a workout

 

[T-Bone]

Amento for body comp and performance hands down IMO. On week 4 of cistamax and not sure if its doing anything. Only thing worth noting is that I've started getting morning wood again since taking cista. Maybe slight increase in aggression / drive to hit the weights but I'm usually always amped for a workout

I thought Amento would effect morning wood via PDE Inhibition,

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240886-amentoflavone.html


So I'd think that effect isn't coming from the Cistamax.

 

[chedapalooza]

I thought Amento would effect morning wood via PDE Inhibition,

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240886-amentoflavone.html

So I'd think that effect isn't coming from the Cistamax.

Not on amento at the moment

 

[ELROCK]

Anacyclus boosts natural T while cistamax agonizes the androgen receptor, so you could say the two complement each other. I'm always partial to staggering over stacking. Cista would be fine with ArA. Cistamax does not need to be dosed with a meal

What would be the best way to dose Cistamax?

On workout days: 2 pre & 2 post workout?

Off days: 1 cap spread out the day equalling 4 caps total?

 

[kbayne]

What would be the best way to dose Cistamax? On workout days: 2 pre & 2 post workout? Off days: 1 cap spread out the day equalling 4 caps total?

Dose 4 pre-workout.
Dose 1/1/1/1 off days.

 

[ELROCK]

Dose 4 pre-workout.
Dose 1/1/1/1 off days.

Got it, thanks

 

[chedapalooza]

Not sure if cistamax or forskolin, or the combo as a whole, but I cannot control my erections. Literally I may have to stop taking it... It's like 8th grade all over again. Wtf! Lol

 

[GreenMachineX]

Not sure if cistamax or forskolin, or the combo as a whole, but I cannot control my erections. Literally I may have to stop taking it... It's like 8th grade all over again. Wtf! Lol

I'm on both of those and not experiencing that...bummer!

 

[chedapalooza]

I'm on both of those and not experiencing that...bummer!

I took both solo before. Combined them for first time just started only a few days ago. 100mg forsk and 4 caps cista. It's bad. I'm getting myself into trouble

 

[GreenMachineX]

I took both solo before. Combined them for first time just started only a few days ago. 100mg forsk and 4 caps cista. It's bad. I'm getting myself into trouble

I meant bummer because that's what I want! My wife comes home from deployment in a couple weeks and I want to be ready! Lulz

 

[LiveToLift]

I meant bummer because that's what I want! My wife comes home from deployment in a couple weeks and I want to be ready! Lulz

Have to be ready to make the wife happy when she returns!

 

[GreenMachineX]

Have to be ready to make the wife happy when she returns!

Yessir!

 

[T-Bone]

Have to be ready to make the wife happy when she returns!

Just make sure the house is clean.

 

[LiveToLift]

Just make sure the house is clean.

Depending how long she was deployed that may be a hell of a lot of work to do. Lol

 

[Grayson]

What's the active half life of cistamax? Also, would a pre-bed dose make any difference?

 

[chedapalooza]

What's the active half life of cistamax? Also, would a pre-bed dose make any difference?

I've taken pre bed occasionally 1-2 caps but never consistently enough to say whether or not it made any different effects

 

[chedapalooza]

Cistamax+arimistane would be good combo yea?

 

[nattydisaster]

I would go Cista + ABE

 

[NewAgeMayan]

Would cista + abe + amento + 50mg forsk95 be overkill?

 

[chedapalooza]

Would cista + abe + amento + 50mg forsk95 be overkill?

No. It'd be very very nice I've run it you would love it I can't wait to run it again

 

[ELROCK]

Would cista + abe + amento + 50mg forsk95 be overkill?

I have done this stack and it works well (not overkill).