It's fuggin here now old fuggers contest prep Extravaganza!!!!!!!

snagencyV2.0 said:
damn..so much for my hope that I got you off that silly IF for good, eh?

:sigh:
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Not for off season I will just gain too much weight as I can't stick with it for long periods like months on end... IF works good for off season between contests. It's a good maintenance eating plan for folks like me. Without IF I would not have been in the shape I was to begin with. I agree 12 weeks out is better for starting regular eating methods though, even though 8 weeks worked well for me and can be done I think 12 would be better.
 
edje007 said:
Sorry DW, but I agree with snags....get rid of the IF.....!!!!
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That would be a disaster for me. I would never have even been in the ballpark without IF the comp would never have happened. All my improvements body comp wilse up untill the last 8 weeks were IF... I can tell you what will happen if I get rid of it, by November I will be 240 lbs ...and it won't be good.
 
ironguru said:
What does "IF" mean ?
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nothing we want to delve into..shyte leaves a bad taste in my mouth :bleh:

DW - oh I so disagree with you my friend
there is nothing magical about IF - no special body processes or assimilation, nothing magical about 16hrs of fasting..and it is NOT conducive to you as a bodybyuilder. period.

however: if you FEEL it helps you and keeps you on target, then there is the power of the protocol right there -
IN YOUR OWN MIND! and in that instance, I guess bottom line, it works for you

just don't make the misguided assumption that IF is a "better" form of dieting, for anyone or any specific bodytype, because quite simply it is not
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
nothing we want to delve into..shyte leaves a bad taste in my mouth :bleh:

DW - oh I so disagree with you my friend
there is nothing magical about IF - no special body processes or assimilation, nothing magical about 16hrs of fasting..and it is NOT conducive to you as a bodybyuilder. period.

however: if you FEEL it helps you and keeps you on target, then there is the power of the protocol right there -
IN YOUR OWN MIND! and in that instance, I guess bottom line, it works for you

just don't make the misguided assumption that IF is a "better" form of dieting, for anyone or any specific bodytype, because quite simply it is not
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So your saying "do what works for you". Solid advice I've been preaching for years.
 
Not only do what works for you but I believe what snags is saying is there is a better way to go by it and a little guidance could result huge gains.
 
I don't think I've seen Ronnie, Dorian, Jay, Kai, Arnold, Branch, or any other top pro run around screaming "Intermittent Fasting Rules!" to the bodybuilding gods. In theory its a good way to burn some fat with deep fasted training but you don't have to use IF to do that....
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
nothing we want to delve into..shyte leaves a bad taste in my mouth :bleh:

DW - oh I so disagree with you my friend
there is nothing magical about IF - no special body processes or assimilation, nothing magical about 16hrs of fasting..and it is NOT conducive to you as a bodybyuilder. period.

however: if you FEEL it helps you and keeps you on target, then there is the power of the protocol right there -
IN YOUR OWN MIND! and in that instance, I guess bottom line, it works for you

just don't make the misguided assumption that IF is a "better" form of dieting, for anyone or any specific bodytype, because quite simply it is not
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No I agree it's cuz it works for me and I have my theories why but that is not important like you said.

pyrobatt said:
So your saying "do what works for you". Solid advice I've been preaching for years.
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Yah that is it, in a nutshell..

I tried traditional methods for decades with no success in the off season, this is not because traditional methods can't work for me, I just can't make them work for me. I used IF that worked for me .. better than anything has. I know now you can't use it for prep cuz you can't fast when you get super low or you will pass out, and or lose a pile of muscle. Fasting has to be tempered with large meals or this doesn't work well. You have to have a very efficient body type for IF in my opinion as well which I have in spades....
 
great pics dougie
you sure were conditioned..and best yet, you look like you had a blast getting up there!
and that's what it's all about :)

(was kinda chuckling on that hippie looking dude from the 60s, beard & fro going on :p
c'mon man....)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
great pics dougie
you sure were conditioned..and best yet, you look like you had a blast getting up there!
and that's what it's all about :)

(was kinda chuckling on that hippie looking dude from the 60s, beard & fro going on :p
c'mon man....)
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He's a real nice guy but you are going to get some stuff like that in Grand Masters.
 
yeah I hear ya
tryin to picture ahhnold with his conan beard & long hair, posing on stage..
mmm, no - BUT, I guess if anybody could pull it off, it would be him
 
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Doug you looked amazing and you definitely owned the stage in that pose down! Loved the Animal mentality you had going on there. You were like the 1-Alpha male on stage... See what I did there???

Okay guys new log is up for my contest prep! Follow along and support me as I go from BLEAK TO FREAK!!!
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MrKleen73 said:
Doug you looked amazing and you definitely owned the stage in that pose down! Loved the Animal mentality you had going on there. You were like the 1-Alpha male on stage... See what I did there???

Okay guys new log is up for my contest prep! Follow along and support me as I go from BLEAK TO FREAK!!!
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Thanks Chris really comfy with the animal persona... it's mine now :)
 
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Such an animal!
 
True, not sure if I could pull that off or not, but it really worked well for Doug!
 
MrKleen73 said:
True, not sure if I could pull that off or not, but it really worked well for Doug!
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I would look like a fool. Dream did really well. I'm thinking about going to his next show
 
Hah I knew you guys would love that, lol I made it work with the music I became the animal... no more posing a and smiling like a pansy I made it out!!
 
DreamWeaver said:
That would be cool October 19th Montreal Musclemania Canada, has good promotion now and should be a good show.
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Ill see if I can't make it down there! Gotta pass it with my wife
 
So I will continue to log here for the next couple weeks till I get the new prep started.

I am growing like a bad weed on FST-7 here's my layout.

[TABLE="width: 276"]
[TR]
[TD]Day 1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Quads[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Front Squats 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Leg press 3 x 8-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Leg extension 7 x 8-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hamstrings[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Lying leg curls 4 x 10-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Stiff-leg deadlift 4 x 10-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Seated leg curls 7 x 10-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chest[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Incline dumbbell press 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Incline dumbbell flye 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Flat dumbbell press 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Pec deck 7 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Triceps[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Close-grip bench press 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Machine dip 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Decline tri extension 7 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Biceps[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Alternate dumbbell curls 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Preacher curl 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Machine curl 7 x 8-12 (rest 30-45 seconds )[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rear delts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Dumbbell rear lateral raise 3 x 12-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Reverse pec flye 7 x 12-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chest[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Incline dumbbell press 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Incline dumbbell flye 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Flat dumbbell press 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Pec deck 7 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Shoulders[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Standing arnold press 4 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Dumbbell front raise 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Dumbbell lateral raise 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Lateral raise machine 7 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Back[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•pull-ups 3 x failure[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Wide-grip pulldowns 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Barbell row 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Tbar row 3 x 8-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•DB pullover 7 x 8-15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Calves[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Standing calf raise 4 x 10-12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Seated calf raise 4 x 15-20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]•Leg press calf raise 7 x 10-12


[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
The only supps I am on is PCT Black, Pure Test and a daily dose of ignite. So I was surprised to see this much growth considering at weigh in I was 192 on Friday.

I will start my prep 2 weeks from Sunday with is 17 weeks out. At this time I will convert to the regular pre-contest type dieting. I will start out at about 2800 cals ed and cycle carbs at around 200 150 100 not decided yet will ask Steve's opinion. Adjustments will be made by eye as I know I don't have to go hard to get to where I was before or a tad lower. The big difference I want to make is I think I can get a little fuller, Steve had a plan (we'll call it plan "A") where I would fill out slowly over 2 weeks and this is the key I think. Don't get me wrong we ran and excellent plan "B" but I believe plan "A" would get me more full and tighter.

I also should be a bit bigger and just a bit leaner or so I hope. I want the whole ball of wax, It was a bit frustrating to know I could have won the overall had I just known the rules. I want to have a shot should the situation present itself again.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I will start my prep 2 weeks from Sunday with is 17 weeks out. At this time I will convert to the regular pre-contest type dieting. I will start out at about 2800 cals ed and cycle carbs at around 200 150 100 not decided yet will ask Steve's opinion.
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actually - that's a long time to be dieting that low cal/carb, if you want to add some muscle yet
I understand you want to keep condition, and I don't disagree as it may help tighten up skin a bit as well..
but maybe 3250 with 250/200/150 rotation - or, a floating rotation of say 250/200/150/300/150 repeat..
focusing on lean gain for awhile..depends on how complicated you feel such to be..lotta options
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
actually - that's a long time to be dieting that low cal/carb, if you want to add some muscle yet
I understand you want to keep condition, and I don't disagree as it may help tighten up skin a bit as well..
but maybe 3250 with 250/200/150 rotation - or, a floating rotation of say 250/200/150/300/150 repeat..
focusing on lean gain for awhile..depends on how complicated you feel such to be..lotta options
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Ooo yah the second one sounds really cool, maybe with 3000-3200 for 5 weeks. I have thought of gong a bit higher but that will depend on where I am it 2 weeks. I can hold the fort and stay lean and then do a clean 3200 ...sounds good actually.
 
I like the floating rotation - when I did it, i assigned set meal plans to the individual carb-rotation days, and took all the guess work out, it's like flipping a chart of menus, every day of the week..made it convenient
 
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