PX and G8: THE NEW PLATEAU BREAKER (sponsored)

mattikus said:
Probably the GABA. Gets me everytime. No big deal, just means it's legit.
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yeah that is generalized way of looking at it..lil more complex tho, as G8 is not simple GABA

the combination that is G8 is actually phenibut (and of course mucuna pruriens or l-dopa), and:

Picamilon (also known as nicotinoyl-GABA, Pycamilon, and Pikamilon) is a dietary supplement formed by combining niacin with GABA. It was developed in the Soviet Union in 1969 by the All-Union Vitamins Scientific Research Institute and further studied in both Russia and Japan as a prodrug of GABA.

Picamilon is sold in the United States as a dietary supplement, while in Russia it is sold as a prescription drug. The rights to the drug belong to pharmaceutical company NPK ECHO ("НПК ЭХО"), Moscow, Russia.

Picamilon is able to cross the blood–brain barrier and then is hydrolyzed into GABA and niacin. The released GABA in theory would activate GABA receptors potentially producing an anxiolytic response. The second released component, niacin acts as a strong vasodilator, which might be useful for the treatment of migraine headaches.
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and

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP), also known as oxitriptan (INN), is a naturally occurring amino acid and chemical precursor as well as a metabolic intermediate in the biosynthesis of the neurotransmitters serotonin and melatonin from tryptophan.

5-HTP is sold over the counter in the United Kingdom, United States and Canada as a dietary supplement for use as an antidepressant, appetite suppressant, and sleep aid, and is also marketed in many European countries for the indication of major depression under trade names like Cincofarm, Levothym, Levotonine, Oxyfan, Telesol, Tript-OH, and Triptum. Several double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trials have demonstrated the effectiveness of 5-HTP in the treatment of depression, though a lack of high quality studies has been noted. More and larger studies are needed to determine if 5-HTP is truly effective in treating depression.

The psychoactive action of 5-HTP is derived from its effect on the production of serotonin in central nervous system tissue. More specifically, 5-HTP increases the production of serotonin.

5-HTP is sold over-the-counter in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada as a dietary supplement for use as an antidepressant, appetite suppressant, and sleep aid. 5-HTP in supplement form is typically sold in 50 mg or 100 mg gelatin or vegetarian capsules. It is usually sourced from the seeds of Griffonia simplicifolia.

5-HTP has been studied and shown to be of benefit in the following conditions: primary fibromyalgia syndrome, Friedreich's ataxia, depression, anxiety, binge eating associated with obesity, and insomnia. There is no statistically significant difference between 5-HTP and placebo in treating chronic headaches (primary or otherwise).

A 2001 meta-analysis found that of 108 studies on 5-HTP published between 1966 and 2000, only two met the authors' quality standards for inclusion. The two studies that were deemed of sufficient quality did not deal with 5-HTP exclusively, instead combining results for 5-HTP and tryptophan, so the results may not be completely applicable for 5-HTP alone. While the combined analysis of the two 5-HTP and tryptophan studies showed significant effectiveness over placebo in treating depression, the authors state that overall "the evidence was of insufficient quality to be conclusive". They also state that "because alternative antidepressants exist which have been proven to be effective and safe, the clinical usefulness of 5-HTP and tryptophan is limited at present".

5-HTP is often taken by people coming down from MDMA to relieve post-MDMA dysphoria. The basis for doing this is that 5-HTP is a necessary precursor for the brain to produce more serotonin, and MDMA use depletes a person's natural serotonin levels, thus taking 5-HTP after a dose of MDMA could improve serotonin production. While the practice is common, no verifiable evidence could be found to confirm whether the practice actually works.

Because 5-HTP has not been thoroughly studied in a clinical setting, possible side effects and interactions with other drugs are not well known. However, it is noteworthy that no published reports of serious side effects exist, despite that 5-HTP is freely available as a nutraceutical. This could indicate that serious side effects are relatively rare with 5-HTP, at least in moderate doses. On the other hand, acute moderate gastrointestinal effects, such as diarrhea and vomiting, are common upon administration of 5-HTP, probably due to rapid formation of serotonin in the upper intestinal tract.
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pretty comprehensive product, but a lot of interactive triggers
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
yeah that is generalized way of looking at it..lil more complex tho, as G8 is not simple GABA

the combination that is G8 is actually phenibut (and of course mucuna pruriens or l-dopa), and:

and

pretty comprehensive product, but a lot of interactive triggers
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Indeed. I have taken nearly every ingredient in there and love the formula. I imagine the 4-aminobutanoic acid (gaba) content to be enough to induce the shortness of breath feeling. Totally common and passes quickly. Picamilion is an interesting addition, as it gives me an alert feeling, even at low dose.
 
Ahhh...I had a hint it was gaba.
Thx guys...I thought I had taken a fraction over half scoop and it did it. Last night was slightly under half scoop and it worked fine.
No issue...

I had energy to burn yesterday. Awesome.

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Just popped 2 PX Black.
Cardio only today and will be this everning whilst in net for cricket.
Feeling it in my legs and back today...I will foam roll tonight after work.

Breakfast will be
200g grass fed mince
2tbsp sauerkraut
Small amount of organic pasta sauce
1tsp free range garlic aioli.
Beans and broccoli

Snack
Gluten free protein bar low carb,no sugar alcohol and 1 oz nuts

Lunch
150g steak and 100g mince and veggies
1oz nuts or 1tblsp olive oil

Dinner
240g Grilled chicken cooked in grass fed butter (size of pinky nail)
Veggies
Aioli

Then training.

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snagencyV2.0 said:
i like sauerkraut..but - for breakfast? :blink:
wow, interesting, you are a boss man!
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Its a great probiotic and mixed into mince and sauce its actui tasty.

I'm up to 83.5 but leaner...puzzled?

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So I'm recomping.

Hmmmm. Interesting...

:::dance:::

How was time away Steve?

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Nice bro

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Very worn out today...bout to have my G8 then bed.
Ended up falling asleep after dinner. Had 3 cups berries cause I was tired and needed some fuel but just died.

Training everyday takes a toll...but will be refreshed tomorrow

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Rest is juat as important as all ohter aspects of your training, there is only so long you can go every day.
 
Just took my g8, feeling smooth.
Great workouts, sweating like a pig on a spit.

Dosing 2 Px preworkout and 1 pre lunch.

Have my air set to 21 degrees celcius and still warm lol...

Super impressed with the focus blend.
I would also advise that this and Alc+Cla stacked would be the bees knees.

Alcar with pea, irisinxd and yohimbine would be a force worth reckoning with. Great stuff.

I still have some appetite so I can maintain energy and still cut kcals.

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you are hitting all the nice products for a very effective recipe there, chris :D
PX and ALC+CLA..
some Ignite2 + MAX PUMP for preWO..
G8 before bed to calm things down and encourage restful, muscle-recovering sleep..

do you work for us, or what? :p
good stuff
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
you are hitting all the nice products for a very effective recipe there, chris :D
PX and ALC+CLA..
some Ignite2 + MAX PUMP for preWO..
G8 before bed to calm things down and encourage restful, muscle-recovering sleep..

do you work for us, or what? :p
good stuff
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Just know what works.
I wanted to comment how max pump would work with i2. Synergistic.

I also know that aav2 would work well with px black.

Some serious stacking options there

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My 1st day-after running G8, work shift is 3pm-midnight so took it right after work (approx-00:30) Started off with a full scoop. Approx 1 hour later I felt totally relaxed and at ease - (I do suffer from anxiety and insomnia so I believe this sup helped me out) It took about 2 hours to put me out.. Woke up around Noon- felt an almost un-describable feeling i never felt before- a mix of : disorientated and dizzy. Had my normal Pre-wokout shake (Oatmeal, peanut butter, Whey Protein) Hit the gym around 2:30 pm. All I have to say I felt extremely strong, I didnt want to rest long between sets for Deadlifts , and kept looking for extra exercises to add. I dont know if G8 had anything to do with it, I also feel in a spectacular positive mood. I have mixed feeling so far..Thinking I am going to run it at half a scoop tonight Or perhaps take Dreamweaver's suggestion and run it just 3 times a week.
 
brutostronzo said:
My 1st day-after running G8, work shift is 3pm-midnight so took it right after work (approx-00:30) Started off with a full scoop. Approx 1 hour later I felt totally relaxed and at ease - (I do suffer from anxiety and insomnia so I believe this sup helped me out) It took about 2 hours to put me out.. Woke up around Noon- felt an almost un-describable feeling i never felt before- a mix of : disorientated and dizzy. Had my normal Pre-wokout shake (Oatmeal, peanut butter, Whey Protein) Hit the gym around 2:30 pm. All I have to say I felt extremely strong, I didnt want to rest long between sets for Deadlifts , and kept looking for extra exercises to add. I dont know if G8 had anything to do with it, I also feel in a spectacular positive mood. I have mixed feeling so far..Thinking I am going to run it at half a scoop tonight Or perhaps take Dreamweaver's suggestion and run it just 3 times a week.
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nice feedback
me - i like 5on/2off dosing scheme, then 4-week total break after 8-12 weeks of use
works well for me
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
nice feedback
me - i like 5on/2off dosing scheme, then 4-week total break after 8-12 weeks of use
works well for me
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Very nice- Thanks for the feedback!- I will have to give that one a try. Or my other solution I was contemplating was to alternate G8 one night and GABA the next, We'll see how I feel after dosing at .05 scoop tonight
 
Excellent on the lean mass gains Chris! As far as maximizing G8's GH benefits you would get more out of using it on a 5 on 2 off, you will get used to the part that got you disoriented pretty quickly but 2/3 scoop is all I really ever do now. If trying to make one bottle of G* last longer I can see doing it 3 times a week or just using it for the benefit of better sleep and recovery a few times a week. However the more days a week you have levels high without attenuating to the GH stimulation the better. The practice of 5 on 2 off has been a staple in running GH products for max benefit and minimum attentuation for quite a while.
 
Good updates!! Pass me some of the sweating effect lol I need to swear a whole person out.

runner_79 said:
Just took my g8, feeling smooth.
Great workouts, sweating like a pig on a spit.

Dosing 2 Px preworkout and 1 pre lunch.

Have my air set to 21 degrees celcius and still warm lol...

Super impressed with the focus blend.
I would also advise that this and Alc+Cla stacked would be the bees knees.

Alcar with pea, irisinxd and yohimbine would be a force worth reckoning with. Great stuff.

I still have some appetite so I can maintain energy and still cut kcals.

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MrKleen73 said:
Excellent on the lean mass gains Chris! As far as maximizing G8's GH benefits you would get more out of using it on a 5 on 2 off, you will get used to the part that got you disoriented pretty quickly but 2/3 scoop is all I really ever do now. If trying to make one bottle of G* last longer I can see doing it 3 times a week or just using it for the benefit of better sleep and recovery a few times a week. However the more days a week you have levels high without attenuating to the GH stimulation the better. The practice of 5 on 2 off has been a staple in running GH products for max benefit and minimum attentuation for quite a while.
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Cool, I figured as such that Disorientation would eventually dissipate . I totally agree with keeping GH level's sustained and will give the 5day on-2Off a go with the 2/3 dose. Thanks everyone for the great feedback!
 
Its a pretty intense product.
I am having sleep I haven't had in years.

I still take half a scoop, any more and I get a hard to breathe, dizzy feeling.

I'm glad I have this in my arsenal.

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runner_79 said:
Its a pretty intense product.
I am having sleep I haven't had in years.

I still take half a scoop, any more and I get a hard to breathe, dizzy feeling.

I'm glad I have this in my arsenal.

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Yes that is the sides for these types of products. One time a took my G8 and went and did like 18 wheel of death, It almost came true, I just about died.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yes that is the sides for these types of products. One time a took my G8 and went and did like 18 wheel of death, It almost came true, I just about died.
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Yea I can definitely see an issue with Wheel of death and G8 being a scary experience, lol .. But yea just went with 1/2 scoop and today Im good to go, no disorientation, no cloudiness, not feeling anything negative, woke up feeling charged! otw to hit the iron!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yes that is the sides for these types of products. One time a took my G8 and went and did like 18 wheel of death, It almost came true, I just about died.
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Yea I can definitely see an issue with Wheel of death and G8 being a scary experience, lol .. But yea just went with 1/2 scoop last night and today I was good to go, no disorientation, no cloudiness, not feeling anything negative, woke up feeling soooooo charged! Just got back from the gym and I feel awesome! My workout was BADA$$, I dont think this is placebo effect my skin is starting to feel really tight, and the pump i got was amazing... Cleans with 225 felt like nothing & skull crushers with the Olympic bar with 2 Big wheels on each side were not a bad perk either ;) Glad I decided to give this stuff a 2nd go with all the great suggestions out there cant wait to see what this stuff does into weeks 2 & 3..
 
it is pretty good stuff man.

I wake up and feel refreshed.

Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

Cortisol mitigation?
 
runner_79 said:
it is pretty good stuff man.

I wake up and feel refreshed.

Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

Cortisol mitigation?
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i mean it could be done during the day (i have), but postWO you would have to avoid carbs, actually food in general
personally, i think bedtime is all you need - unless you are using for relaxation during day
 
runner_79 said:
it is pretty good stuff man.

I wake up and feel refreshed.

Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

Cortisol mitigation?
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Very good question, I would be very interested to the results of that one as well... The container's instructions read not to exceed a full scoop in any 24hour interval -So I would think 1/2 scoop POST workout, then 1/2 scoop at bedtime would yield some pretty impressive results! My only thought would be POST workout if you had stuff to do you may feel like going to bed
 
I can avoid eating for half hour after.

I don't believe in the dogmatic "anabolic window". If I'm hungry ill eat but if not, ill have some BCAAs.
Ill eat when hungry lol but will get my 4 meals in :)

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runner_79 said:
I can avoid eating for half hour after.
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try it :shrug:
let me know what you think
i don't preach anabolic window, but do enjoy the way my feedings (ie carbs/fats) are aligned thruout the day, and i enjoy eating following training..we have different goals in mind tho, i understand
 
Half a scoop of G8 gave me one of the best nights of sleep ever, i woke up feeling refreshed without the drowsy feeling which surprised me.
 
t'is a great product...beats the boring old melatonin...

i notice my sleep cycles seem deeper, not that I can know at that time, but when waking up, im not groggy, i'm eagar to get up, my body feels good (providing I have fed and watered myself properly).

tonight is my dinner date with Kelley so we are going buffet but gonna stick to a clean meal but just a LOT OF IT lol...leptin reset
 
runner_79 said:
t'is a great product...beats the boring old melatonin...

i notice my sleep cycles seem deeper, not that I can know at that time, but when waking up, im not groggy, i'm eagar to get up, my body feels good (providing I have fed and watered myself properly).

tonight is my dinner date with Kelley so we are going buffet but gonna stick to a clean meal but just a LOT OF IT lol...leptin reset
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:)...glad ur sleeping well, n can't wait till tonight....*mouth waters* lol
 
I had some apple crumble pie...so tasty...couldn't help it. Haven't had a cheat meal in almost 3 weeks. Think I earnt it lol


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So tasty

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Nice, glad you enjoyed it, yeah G8 is pretty amazing stuff. As far as the post workout GH secretion, you want to optimize that drink half a scoop before you start the first set of your last exercise. You should already be beginning to produce the GH spike. The GH spike comes from increase levels of lactic acid. However at a certain point during the workout about 45 minutes in your body starts going more catabolic and the GH surge happens. If you did that and then ate your carbs when you got home there would not be any issue with the surge of GH and you would be giving the IGF-1 created by it some substrate to work with.

As far as the anabolic window it really isn't so much something you buy into or not, it is something that actually occurs and is proven in science. Exercised induced Muscular GLUT-4 Trans-location is a very real thing where during the post exercise period your Glut-4 receptors are all brought to the surface of the muscle tissue the same as with a large increase of insulin. The big difference is at that time the Glut 4 is not activated in the fat cells so storage is not as likely. This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
 
^^ well said

MrKleen73 said:
This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
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precisely my thoughts, and why i aim to control insulin/glucose levels at ALL times
this is paramount imo, for maintaining bodycomp day-in/day-out
 
runner_79 said:
I can avoid eating for half hour after.

I don't believe in the dogmatic "anabolic window". If I'm hungry ill eat but if not, ill have some BCAAs.
Ill eat when hungry lol but will get my 4 meals in :)

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I believe in it but I think it's much longer than a hour...

3clipseGT said:
Half a scoop of G8 gave me one of the best nights of sleep ever, i woke up feeling refreshed without the drowsy feeling which surprised me.
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Too much = drowsy mornings just over half a scoop is the sweet spot for me. I saw this right away when it first came out and immediately started warning folks.

MrKleen73 said:
Nice, glad you enjoyed it, yeah G8 is pretty amazing stuff. As far as the post workout GH secretion, you want to optimize that drink half a scoop before you start the first set of your last exercise. You should already be beginning to produce the GH spike. The GH spike comes from increase levels of lactic acid. However at a certain point during the workout about 45 minutes in your body starts going more catabolic and the GH surge happens. If you did that and then ate your carbs when you got home there would not be any issue with the surge of GH and you would be giving the IGF-1 created by it some substrate to work with.

As far as the anabolic window it really isn't so much something you buy into or not, it is something that actually occurs and is proven in science. Exercised induced Muscular GLUT-4 Trans-location is a very real thing where during the post exercise period your Glut-4 receptors are all brought to the surface of the muscle tissue the same as with a large increase of insulin. The big difference is at that time the Glut 4 is not activated in the fat cells so storage is not as likely. This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
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Again all true but it's a much bigger window than most would think in my opinion. This is more though trial and error for me. Once you got me to try lean gains I was a bit worried but the extra fasting time after the workout seemed to enhance the effect rather than diminish it.
 
Brekky before cricket.

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8oz lean grass fed steak
1tablespoon free range aioli
1 cup broccoli and green beans

Notice what Kelley wrote with my beans...she is a special girl derrrrrrrrr

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Please rate on a scale of 1-5: 1=Strongly Disagree; 2 = Disagree; 3 = Neutral; 4 = Agree; 5 = Strongly Agree
1) This product was a great source of clean energy... (1-5)
I dose 2 pre workout, 1 pre lunch.
Euphoria is awesome and its clean. No issues with headaches and the 3,5 helps too. Keeps the fire burning because of the upregulation of my thyroid output.

2) This product affected my mood in a positive manner... (1-5) -
5 outta 5.
I love PEA and R Beta PEA.

Simple!!!!


3) This product helped control my cravings/appetite... (1-5) -
5
As I said, I can still eat, but that's the beauty of this product. You want to eat to recover but some products just make you feel sick and don't want to eat for hours post training. Not this one. Feels great to eat after and I know that my energy levels won't drop off.

4) This product enhanced my mental focus... (1-5)
I give it 4.5
I work in a highly educated position and to stay focused for the whole day, after training is a massive bonus. This has been top 3 stim thermogenics I have taken PERIOD. Even though there is a prop blend which I understand why, the PEA feels well dosed and its not to a point where my head can hurt.

5) This product gave me the jitters... (1-5)
1
Enough said

6) This product helped me lose weight? (1-5)
I will give this a 4. So far I feel that this product is definitely helping me with the fat. I do eat, but not a massive desire too. Ill eat out of necessity for energy and training purpose. I eat to train, not train to eat.


7) I really enjoyed this product and would recommend it to friends 5 out of 5 product. I'm foreseeing a great rise of IRISINXD in the future along with Hisperdine.

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DreamWeaver said:
I believe in it but I think it's much longer than a hour...

Again all true but it's a much bigger window than most would think in my opinion. This is more though trial and error for me. Once you got me to try lean gains I was a bit worried but the extra fasting time after the workout seemed to enhance the effect rather than diminish it.
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The exercise induced GLUT-4 response is pretty much on its way out around the 2 hour mark. Now what that does not change is that insulin sensitivity is still high from the fasting in your case. So when you finally do feed your insulin sensitivity is plenty high and you are able to pack in the nutrients due to that situation since the fasting tends to deplete glycogen levels too, you have a decent amount of glycogen to replenish so you are not overly likely to store fats so long as you are not taking in an excess of saturated fats with the meal. Mono and Poly-Unsaturated fats have to be converted to be stored as fat and that conversion does not start until the muscles or full of glycogen. However saturated fats do not need to be converted to be stored they are already in the form they need to be for storing. This is why you keep seeing Steve mention that you don't want to have too many fats from meats and especially not when you are having a higher carb meal.

I don't see any issue with fasting then gorging, it is no more catabolic than eating throughout the day however it IS less anabolic than eating all day. The lack of catabolism that makes it work well is excellent but lack of catabolism is not the same thing as anabolism. Both dietary approaches work very well but when trying to gain the most muscle mass, you have to feed the muscles after training. I typically only hit up a protein shake post lifting then eat a little later but I definitely get my nitrogen balance up there immediately after the workout and don't need a bunch of insulin because the exercise induced GLUT-4 trans-location is sucking all nutrients into my muscle anyway.


runner_79 said:
Brekky before cricket.

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8oz lean grass fed steak
1tablespoon free range aioli
1 cup broccoli and green beans

Notice what Kelley wrote with my beans...she is a special girl derrrrrrrrr

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Looks you have a winner there. Did you serenade her?


Sorry couldn't find it on youtube so you have to follow the link...

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Please rate on a scale of 1-5: 1=Strongly Disagree; 2 = Disagree; 3 = Neutral; 4 = Agree; 5 = Strongly Agree
1) This product was a great source of clean energy... (1-5)
I dose 2 pre workout, 1 pre lunch.
Euphoria is awesome and its clean. No issues with headaches and the 3,5 helps too. Keeps the fire burning because of the upregulation of my thyroid output.

2) This product affected my mood in a positive manner... (1-5) -
5 outta 5.
I love PEA and R Beta PEA.

Simple!!!!


3) This product helped control my cravings/appetite... (1-5) -
5
As I said, I can still eat, but that's the beauty of this product. You want to eat to recover but some products just make you feel sick and don't want to eat for hours post training. Not this one. Feels great to eat after and I know that my energy levels won't drop off.

4) This product enhanced my mental focus... (1-5)
I give it 4.5
I work in a highly educated position and to stay focused for the whole day, after training is a massive bonus. This has been top 3 stim thermogenics I have taken PERIOD. Even though there is a prop blend which I understand why, the PEA feels well dosed and its not to a point where my head can hurt.

5) This product gave me the jitters... (1-5)
1
Enough said

6) This product helped me lose weight? (1-5)
I will give this a 4. So far I feel that this product is definitely helping me with the fat. I do eat, but not a massive desire too. Ill eat out of necessity for energy and training purpose. I eat to train, not train to eat.


7) I really enjoyed this product and would recommend it to friends 5 out of 5 product. I'm foreseeing a great rise of IRISINXD in the future along with Hisperdine.
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great review chris!
i did not realize you were afflicted with jitters. must've missed that one
huh..interesting, you seem to be anomaly there
 
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