Onlychevy6
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RickRock13 said:
Lol. Either way it was funny
Kleen Crashes Head first into fat loss using Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.
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Lol. Either way it was funny
MrKleen73
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Well I took my weight, waist measurement, pictures and body fat today to get an idea of where I am right now with this bad boy. I am pretty impressed with the fact I was strong as a bull on Saturday for being on such a restrictive diet. I am very happy with it.
Here are my stats:
2/7/2012 - 218 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 38 inches, No BF measurement
2/13/2012 - 208 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 35.3/4 inches, BF 12.2% 182.6 Lbs LBM & 25.4 lbs fat.
Total Changes - 10 Lbs lost, 2.25 inches lost from waist line, and not sure on bodyfat. I am thinking at least 3 lbs.
This week I will have my BF to compare and will at least be able to tell you how much actual fat was lost this week.
I was on point with diet all weekend. Had no issues as far as overeating. This diet has done exactly what I want, give me the resolve to stick to a diet. Now when this is over keeping to it won't be an issue at all.
As far as my pictures go I think they tell a pretty nice story as to what is going on with my body. Fat is definitely coming down, all bloating is pretty much gone and my waist has come down nicely.
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Yes Sir, I am using the NYC stack it is the same thing as Adipokinetix that was banned a while back has NorEphedrine, Y-HCL, Yerba Mate, and a few other things in it.
I am only doing it through the rest of the week. I have a UD2 style carb up this weekend then 2 weeks at maintenance, after which I will lower cals gradually to keep fat coming off and maintaining muscle mass.
I am more trying to get that kick start, not sweating extreme weight loss. I want to keep my muscle and right now I feel like I am doing that bery well with the combo of my Aminos and the 7-oxo dhea in the Abliderate keeping cortisol under control.
Here are my stats:
2/7/2012 - 218 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 38 inches, No BF measurement
2/13/2012 - 208 lbs, waist measurement above navel - 35.3/4 inches, BF 12.2% 182.6 Lbs LBM & 25.4 lbs fat.
Total Changes - 10 Lbs lost, 2.25 inches lost from waist line, and not sure on bodyfat. I am thinking at least 3 lbs.
This week I will have my BF to compare and will at least be able to tell you how much actual fat was lost this week.
I was on point with diet all weekend. Had no issues as far as overeating. This diet has done exactly what I want, give me the resolve to stick to a diet. Now when this is over keeping to it won't be an issue at all.
As far as my pictures go I think they tell a pretty nice story as to what is going on with my body. Fat is definitely coming down, all bloating is pretty much gone and my waist has come down nicely.
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It is just what the Dr ordered to get your resolve back in place. It is so restrictive that any deviance can make or break the diet. Right now I am having absolutely no problems with sticking to it at all.Sounds like things are going well for you, ChrisAfter much consideration, I have decided to give this a shot for the next couple of weeks, since I need that "kick" after everything the last few weeks!
~Rosie~
Yes Sir, I am using the NYC stack it is the same thing as Adipokinetix that was banned a while back has NorEphedrine, Y-HCL, Yerba Mate, and a few other things in it.
Yep, I knew there was a good bit of water but was not sure how much. I think I may have lost 3 lbs of fat but that is just a guestimate.
Agreed!
Exactly this is working like a charm. Like I said if at the end I feel I have lost at least 4 lbs of fat I will be very happy.
I am only doing it through the rest of the week. I have a UD2 style carb up this weekend then 2 weeks at maintenance, after which I will lower cals gradually to keep fat coming off and maintaining muscle mass.
Thanks, I was starting to feel people thought I was a bit snotty.
No definitely not.
LOL
I am more trying to get that kick start, not sweating extreme weight loss. I want to keep my muscle and right now I feel like I am doing that bery well with the combo of my Aminos and the 7-oxo dhea in the Abliderate keeping cortisol under control.
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FlawedGrunt
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Hey Kleen the pic didn't show up. I think because its from another forum and you have to be a user to see it
DreamWeaver
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2.25 off your waist is fuggin amazing, so at least 5 lbs of fat Chris... that is Nuggin Futs!! Experiment over no sense in suffering any more if you're already down to 12 % pretty decent level.
FlawedGrunt
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Still no luck. For me at least
ScottyDoc
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I can see your picts just fine Bro!
I can see a good difference, I mean it is only a week, but I can see it in your waste and I do see what you are talking about with the pump, because your shoulders definitely look more pumped in your profile picts in pict1 vs. pict2. All I can say is, we know what needs to be done, and you are doing it, consistency, consistency, consistency, besides, some people (like you and me) have had much practice in getting fat, then getting ripped, then getting fat again, and getting ripped, repeat, LoL!!!
RickRock13
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Unless you got so lean you became invisible, I see no pic Kleen...:laugh:
RickRock13
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Ok....I see them now, and i must say that is a HUGE difference in your waist. You can tell that you've lost some water and bloat elsewhere, but that abdomen is night and day. Nice work Kleen!
FlawedGrunt
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I have to agree the bloating looks to have melted away like nothing! Keep up the awesome work bro!
ScottyDoc
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What is the other Forum? IronFreakz?
MrKleen73
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Thanks Rick!
Thank you Sir, hopefully I can lose a few more lbs of fat this week.
Yes Sir.
FlawedGrunt
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Ill be happy if I get half that by next Monday!
mattrag
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yea this was my main problem.. I took the PSMF to like a 10 week diet. Combined with IF I went for like 20 hr fasts and I'd just do like 1 protein shake post workout and drink soup so that I wouldn't be hungry.... I didn't lose weight after like week 5 and my strength disappeared... tried to make up strength with just adding more workout days but yea... that didn't work, but like you say 20/20 hindsight lol.
larrybailey
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Just ran across your post! Man your getting it done! I want to try your diet but man! I am starving by 11 am. Lol are you not hungry on cardio days?
Frank Reynolds
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Awesome progress so far. Dude you packed on some size a lot with that fat/bloat so this will probably be for the better once you get to a BF where you are comfortable. Your tri's are looking crazy.
I can see you tightening up around the back/hips, midsection, etc. Very noticeable.
I typically deload from training every 4th week. What do you think about running something like this every deload week, in order to reduce some bloat/fat accumulated over the previous weeks? I am wondering if this would allow me to push calories a bit more then I would typically, and then run a diet like this every 4th week.
Do you have any clue what has changed from the first to second edition of this diet?
I can see you tightening up around the back/hips, midsection, etc. Very noticeable.
I typically deload from training every 4th week. What do you think about running something like this every deload week, in order to reduce some bloat/fat accumulated over the previous weeks? I am wondering if this would allow me to push calories a bit more then I would typically, and then run a diet like this every 4th week.
Do you have any clue what has changed from the first to second edition of this diet?
mattrag
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I'm not really that smart in this but I know Layne norton advocates something he called "culking" where he does a bulk for like 3-4 weeks then cuts back his cals to cut levels for 1-2 weeks to "clean up". He said you shouldn't notice a drop in performance in the first couple weeks of controlled dieting so you should still be able to do the same workload as you do on more calories and before the lack of food catches up with you, you start bulking again.
Frank Reynolds
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Yea I have read a bit into his thoughts and typically use a more like 8-12wk of "bulking" 2-4 of diet. But with my new training schedule, this might be perfect. Just tough out one week on 1000 calories, and back to increased calories.
JudoJosh
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Why not just go keto during the deload week? Muscle preservation and keeps your thyroid and metabolism happy
There is a second version of this? I only know of one
mattrag
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Might be talking about the stubborn fat loss protocol?
Frank Reynolds
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Yes the current one says second edition.
Do you propose going keto but not into such a huge deficit?
I'm not worried about muscle preservation honestly. I hold muscle like nobody's business.lol
Do you propose going keto but not into such a huge deficit?
I'm not worried about muscle preservation honestly. I hold muscle like nobody's business.lol
Frank Reynolds
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mattrag said:
No I'm talking about the second edition of this book. It clearly states it was updated and this is the second edition. I'm wondering what changed.
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JudoJosh
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I havent read that one yet but I do want to order it and give it a read sometime
Ahhh I see. My book says first edition so I dont know how much of it has changed.. I wonder what edition Chris has? My book is the first version and says 2005 as the copyright.. Hmm now you got me wondering how much has changed. The second edition was copywritten in 2008.. Thats 3 years later. Hmmm
Its what I would do. I couldnt imagine going on a PSMF diet every 4 weeks but i guess if muscle loss isnt a concern for you then give it a try and see how it is for you. Remember N=1 is all that matters
Frank Reynolds
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Yea I am curious as to what is different in the second edition if anything at all.. I also have the first.
I operate fairly well on low calories. I often touch 13-1400 calories a few days a week plus 90 min cardio a day deep into a diet, so a week shouldn't be that bad.
We will see what happens. I might just run my typical deep cut diet, for a week, right from my current high calorie level.
Sorry for the mini-hijack Kleen.
I operate fairly well on low calories. I often touch 13-1400 calories a few days a week plus 90 min cardio a day deep into a diet, so a week shouldn't be that bad.
We will see what happens. I might just run my typical deep cut diet, for a week, right from my current high calorie level.
Sorry for the mini-hijack Kleen.
houstontexas
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Here are a few things I think changed from the first version if I remember correctly. He went from saying you could eat unlimited amounts of most veggies to controlled portions, added in the EFA requirement, and some other stuff I can't remember. I honestly have only skimmed the 2nd edition and never read the first, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that those were things that changed.
DreamWeaver
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Yah I have done hard cuts where veggies like brocolli were free.. as they probably burn mor cals to digest than they actually have in them. You can attain a real hate for veggies after a while though.
Lukef2000
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Hey bro I just finished reading through your whole log. Looks like you psmf is doing the trick. I can definitely see a big difference around your midesection an your upper back! I've packed on a few pounds with the festive season so this might be what I need to get back in the zone! Keep killing it kleen!
ScottyDoc
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Damn... a week of 1,000 cals, not fun!!!
ScottyDoc
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DW... I Love me some Veggies, especially raw, but I was on a diet like that as well where they were free and after about a month, the though of raw veggies just made me cringe! That happens to me with Tuna when I eat too much of it too often after a while the thought of tuna just makes me cringe as well, but I can always come back to it after a month or so!
DreamWeaver
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Yah I have been through that tuna thing too... used to be a site that had a 1000 ways to eat tuna... can't seem to find it ...
JudoJosh
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Wow! 1000 ways? I would love to see this list too
DreamWeaver
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I googled it and it doesn't seem to be there any more.
MrKleen73
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It is one hell of a drop. Of course I was carb loaded at the beginning. I look even better today, I worked out and have my swell on a little.
Yeah I don't foresee any reason for me to do that. I would not want to be on one of these for that long. However this two weeks has been surprisingly easy.
Thanks Matt, I am hoping so.
Not really I mean I do get hungry but smashing 250 grams of protein down in whole food is quite filling, the early morning stuff is cake because I havent eaten in the mornings for over a year with only a few exceptions.
Thanks! Well if you bulked aggressively for 3 weeks then did this yeah, if you tried the clean bulk method and then went to this it may be counter productive.
Yeah that one is good, so is the ABDCE diet, very old school but you bulk for two weeks then diet for two weeks.
I think you like to test theories and that this would be an interesting thing for you to try. At one week i really don't think you will lose muscle mass at all and should be able to drop whatever you gain in fat.
I think it would be a neat experiment myself. However you may do well to just do the entire week keto and say 1800 cals. Still low but not to low.
No I have the original version. I have no clue what the differences are.
No worries I love discussion in here keep it up!
Thanks, if that is the case then I am basically doing the secnd version on my own. I am not having ridiculous amounts of veggies. Just basically what I would have normally, not trying to make up for any food volume with it. Just easier for me to not eat than to run and get a celery stick or salad every time I get a food craving or feel a little hungry.
Yeah that just doesn't work for me I eat veggies 1-2 times a day. I have seen some of the diets you have put yourself through and I would definitely run this again before eating all of the veggies you were eating at on point. You were a beast with that.
Thanks! I have to admit it is WAY easier than I originally thought it would be. Especially already being used to fasting a large portion of the day it is just a cake walk right now.
MrKleen73
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I was surprised again today when I increased on all of my lifts and was able to complete my sets and even go beyond 10 for the last set on a couple exercises. I will do my best to document from memory since I didn't bring the log with me today.
The workout - 30 seconds rest between sets, 10 reps per set and last set of each exercise you go to failure so if you can do more than 10 you do then go up the next time.
DB Incline Bench - 75x10, 10, 10, 10 up 5 lbs - challenging for sure but will go up to 80's next week. I doubt I will complete the 4rth set with them but it is time to move up.
DB Flat Flies - 37.5x10,10 up 2.5 lbs - will stay here one more week then go up.
Lat Pull Downs - 150x10,10,10,12 up 30 lbs - Will be going up next week.
Wide Grip Lat Rows - 130x10, 10 up 20 lbs. I will try to go up 5 more libs next week.
DB Lateral Raises - 22.5x10. 10, 10, 10 same was still hard but not as hard as last week.
DB Front Raise - 22.5x10, 10 once again this was hard to complete but not as hard as last week.
Incline DB Curls - 22.5x10, 10, 10, 10 same weight as last week but I finished the last set this time getting 2 more reps than last week.
Leg Ext. - 155x10, 10, 10, 10, 11 - up 5 lbs and oh man what a burn. I am planning on going up next week too.
BB Lunges - 80x10, 10, 10, 10 - this was beast mode and have me panting like a dog in heat in July!
The workout - 30 seconds rest between sets, 10 reps per set and last set of each exercise you go to failure so if you can do more than 10 you do then go up the next time.
DB Incline Bench - 75x10, 10, 10, 10 up 5 lbs - challenging for sure but will go up to 80's next week. I doubt I will complete the 4rth set with them but it is time to move up.
DB Flat Flies - 37.5x10,10 up 2.5 lbs - will stay here one more week then go up.
Lat Pull Downs - 150x10,10,10,12 up 30 lbs - Will be going up next week.
Wide Grip Lat Rows - 130x10, 10 up 20 lbs. I will try to go up 5 more libs next week.
DB Lateral Raises - 22.5x10. 10, 10, 10 same was still hard but not as hard as last week.
DB Front Raise - 22.5x10, 10 once again this was hard to complete but not as hard as last week.
Incline DB Curls - 22.5x10, 10, 10, 10 same weight as last week but I finished the last set this time getting 2 more reps than last week.
Leg Ext. - 155x10, 10, 10, 10, 11 - up 5 lbs and oh man what a burn. I am planning on going up next week too.
BB Lunges - 80x10, 10, 10, 10 - this was beast mode and have me panting like a dog in heat in July!
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Only way I like tuna is raw. The canned stuff is a last resort, no matter how I prep it. :02:
JudoJosh
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Mayo + mustard + relish with some cayenne sprinkled over
Thats how I usually eat canned tuna. My other way is to mix with egg white and pan fry patties with slice cheese on top
Frank Reynolds
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JudoJosh said:
I have never eaten tuna in my entire life. Not even one bite. It always look disgusting as **** to me.lol
ScottyDoc
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Frank... holding my chest in classic heart-attack fashion... "What??? NEVER??? Not even a tuna casserole, or Tuna-Helper as a kid, a fresh Tuna Steak, Tuna Roll (sushi)???
Frank Reynolds
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ScottyDoc said:
I meant canned tuna but I don't think I have tried it in any fashion. I have never tried most seafood in general.
I tried a "California roll"(not sure wtf is in that) twice and gagged both times trying to get it down.lol
DreamWeaver
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yah just use the hot sauce and you would be just as well off... Hot honey mustard is kind of good though....
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JudoJosh
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A California roll is seafood like a 7-11 hotdog is meat.
Crunchy spicy tuna roll and/or crunchy spicy salmon roll are my favorites. Except for this one buffet here that has this deep fried roll that is orgasmic!
I recently started rating sushi.. I never used to before.. Always thought it would be disgusting.. Boy was I wrong! I want to try sashimi next (especially since there isnt any rice and its carb free) but I have been hesitant to try it. I tuna the rice and roll makes it easier to eat mentally.. Take away the rice and roll and you can obviously see its raw fish and the raw part is what used to freak me out before
Frank Reynolds
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I guess canned tuna is like spam then..lolA California roll is seafood like a 7-11 hotdog is meat.