wow the nerve of ntbm to offer pre sale of this for $99. ive always liked the product and gave it great reviews but hes out of his mind selling a t-booster for 100 bucks. i will never buy a ntbm product again due to this price gouging.
yes i was. what hes selling it for now is insulting and mildly criminal. i guess there will be plenty of morons out there that will pay $100 for a t-booster though. hell man thats 10x more than i pay for my testThat's a major about-face for you. IIRC, you were a huge fan, no?
precisely why i will never buy from them again.I commented in another thread about this practice they have of raising prices based on product availability and demand. That practice is ridiculous can you even imagine a company like AI Sports, DS, AX or really any reputable supplement company doing this? This practice alone would keep me from ever buying any of their products.
Man I understand the concern for the price and what you are saying but the price point is strictly there as a service to those that want to guarantee themselves a bottle before it comes back in stock, since there was a good number of people that wasn't able to get any the last couple times since it sold out so quickly.wow the nerve of ntbm to offer pre sale of this for $99. ive always liked the product and gave it great reviews but hes out of his mind selling a t-booster for 100 bucks. i will never buy a ntbm product again due to this price gouging.
no ntbm is plain and simple ripping their customers off, big time. you say the price will come down after pre sale so why not have it lowered to begin with? well you answered it yourself. balancing supply and demand but ntbm isnt balancing anything they are price gouging. the sad part is there are many ntbm a$$ kissers out there that will pay that price. to each his own i guess.Man I understand the concern for the price and what you are saying but the price point is strictly there as a service to those that want to guarantee themselves a bottle before it comes back in stock, since there was a good number of people that wasn't able to get any the last couple times since it sold out so quickly.
For those that don't want to pay the higher presale price, HCGenerate will return to its normal price once it is in stock, but availability can not be guaranteed obviously.
There will be others that have issues with the price point and with good reason, but it can be tricky sometimes trying to balance supply and demand while keeping all of your customers happy.
Need to does take care of his customers and you have always been a great one. We don't want to lose that and I have heard what you are saying and I have directed your concerns to the right people and hopefully we can come to a better understanding on this issue.no ntbm is plain and simple ripping their customers off, big time. you say the price will come down after pre sale so why not have it lowered to begin with? well you answered it yourself. balancing supply and demand but ntbm isnt balancing anything they are price gouging. the sad part is there are many ntbm a$$ kissers out there that will pay that price. to each his own i guess.
even if the price drops after presale ill never buy from them again. you dont "take care of your customers" by charging them nearly double for a product because you know its gonna sell out.
That's BullSh.t,Why can't you just pay the regular price pre sale, be put on the Backorder list and then be assured to get the product when it comes in. Charging $100 is a way to rip off loyal customers who really love Hcgenerate, have no where else to get it,and can't wait to get some more. IMOMan I understand the concern for the price and what you are saying but the price point is strictly there as a service to those that want to guarantee themselves a bottle before it comes back in stock.
I hear you it's just business, but when companies try to screw their loyal customers. They become dead to me.Supply and Demand - I've noticed that HC Generate never stays in stock - very high demand - not enough supply. In these cases it IS wise to jack the price up.
Now, here's the kicker - it won't stay at $99.00 if people don't buy it - in that case, the "Supply and Demand" factors have been reversed and the price must come down.
It'll all work out in the end. Did I like HC Generate? Sure. Would I buy it for $99.00? Nope.
However - maybe someone out there will buy it for that much.
I understand what you're saying because I love this supplement too. I won't pay $99 for it and if there is some left after it comes in stock I'll probably order a couple of bottles.no ntbm is plain and simple ripping their customers off, big time. you say the price will come down after pre sale so why not have it lowered to begin with? well you answered it yourself. balancing supply and demand but ntbm isnt balancing anything they are price gouging. the sad part is there are many ntbm a$$ kissers out there that will pay that price. to each his own i guess.
even if the price drops after presale ill never buy from them again. you dont "take care of your customers" by charging them nearly double for a product because you know its gonna sell out.
I definitely hear you. I went through a similar thing with Fender guitars a few years ago when they suddenly jacked the price of their American made line up $300 dollars in one year. Let's look at that ... an American Standard Telecaster that went for $900 was suddenly jacked to $1200 in one year!I hear you it's just business, but when companies try to screw their loyal customers. They become dead to me.
agree with what your saying business wise. but dont in the same text say that he is taking care of his customers. that he is not doingSupply and Demand - I've noticed that HC Generate never stays in stock - very high demand - not enough supply. In these cases it IS wise to jack the price up.
Now, here's the kicker - it won't stay at $99.00 if people don't buy it - in that case, the "Supply and Demand" factors have been reversed and the price must come down.
It'll all work out in the end. Did I like HC Generate? Sure. Would I buy it for $99.00? Nope.
However - maybe someone out there will buy it for that much.
i like that part where you say you dont believe ntbm is screwing their customers. of course you would say that since you are a mod over at ntbmI understand what you're saying because I love this supplement too. I won't pay $99 for it and if there is some left after it comes in stock I'll probably order a couple of bottles.
That said, I don't believe N2BM is screwing their customers by allowing them to pay more for it if they want it that bad. This is my favorite all around supplement and I won't pay that much for it. But, some will. They don't have to. They choose to. If enough people choose to then the price will be justified. If not then there will be plenty left for those of us who don't choose to pay that much for the guarantee of availability. That's supply and demand.
This is the only supplement I've ever seen them do this with. It obviously hard for them to keep in stock. So, whether you're happy about it or not I think they're just trying to find a way to ensure that the people who REALLY want it get it. A lot of people hoard it when it does come in and some never get a chance to get it.
That's just my opinion for what it's worth.
I was thinking the same thing but wasn't surei like that part where you say you dont believe ntbm is screwing their customers. of course you would say that since you are a mod over at ntbm
I am a Mod over there but I get nothing for it. I'm not a rep and I'm not compensated for modding the board. I pay the same for supps as anyone else and I don't get anything for free or even at a different discount. I mod over there to help out because I like the people on the board. Simple as that.i like that part where you say you dont believe ntbm is screwing their customers. of course you would say that since you are a mod over at ntbm
Let's not forget all of the times Nate does free promos, sales, and everything else, either, though.Name one other supplement company that conducts business this way and maybe I'll feel differently.
I don't know Nate at all he may very well be a great guy but this is still a terrible business practice. Genomyx DCP is sold out everywhere and many people would love to use it as part of their cut for the summer, By this logic when it is brought back in stock it should be jacked up 50% higher because it is an in demand supplement. I know that isn't going to happen though and that's my point.Let's not forget all of the times Nate does free promos, sales, and everything else, either, though.
I'm not trying to argue - I never find that to be very productive (particularly online lol) - but I just wanted to make sure that's not overlooked.
Are you saying that he raised the price so that people that usually buy it out...won't? So that people that usually can't get it...can? What if the people that can't get it...won't pay $100 for it? That only leaves the people that usually do get it...paying $99 for it (though many won't). There seems to be a lot of variables and assumptions in this formula, and it seems like faulty logic to me.The bottom line is this, it has been ridiculously hard to keep the product in stock because people love it and it works. That being said, some people have never had the chance to try it or those that have and have been wanting it as part of a PCT of a cycle they've had planned and don't want to screw their cycles up can take advantage of this.
Why not keep the price the same for the pre-sale? Because we'd be right back where we were to begin with, having it sold out in the blink of an eye. Now we're back to square one.
Good post, man.Are you saying that he raised the price so that people that usually buy it out...won't? So that people that usually can't get it...can? What if the people that can't get it...won't pay $100 for it? That only leaves the people that usually do get it...paying $99 for it (though many won't). There seems to be a lot of variables and assumptions in this formula, and it seems like faulty logic to me.
That being said, I fully believe in capitalism, and Need2 has every right to price his products however he so chooses. This isn't gasoline...price gouging doesn't apply here. But if the customer feels he is, in fact, ripping them off, Need2 may lose his repeat customers for a very long time. And considering a large section of the customer base for these types of businesses are repeat customers I'm pretty sure, it seems like a bad business decision, especially considering he would definitely be limiting his influx of new customers, who would be turned off by a $100 price tag for a product they've never tried, especially in this economic environment. But eh, again, it's not my decision. I really do wish him the best of success, and I hope this decision works out for him, although I doubt there would be significant profits to justify this price point. Just my .02!
Personal opinion / view.Explain as you will there is really no way to justify it. It's Greed and It's trying to rip customers off.
I'll be suprised if this sells out in presale and am happy to wait and see how it all goes down in the end.:fingersx:As someone else already pointed out earlier in this thread, if no one buys it at this price, then all of the units will be available once they're on the shelves at the standard price.
Here's the thing - I wouldn't pay $99 for it, either.
Then once the people get the hcgenerate that he was so worried that they wouldn't be able to get, he should refund them the difference from the 100dollars to the regular price. Because for nate it wasn't about the money at all, it was about those unfortunate people who were never able to get the hcgenerate because of the other greedy bastards that would buy it so quickly!!:fool2::laugh2:Good post, man.
And you're right, there are a TON of variables. I certainly see things from the side that you just brought up, as well.
I'm just going with what I know and what I would deduce (just so everyone knows this isn't coming directly from Nate's mouth). All I can say is that, essentially this does 2 things:
1. Gives someone a chance if they want to know for sure they're getting a bottle; rather than getting the e-mail it's back in stock, realizing they're at school, work, etc. and can't make a purchase til later in the day and then all of a sudden it's gone and they have to wait til we get it back in.
And I hope you get a bottle, broI'll be suprised if this sells out in presale and am happy to wait and see how it all goes down in the end.:fingersx:
Did your keyboard stutter, or was that just a cheap attempt at diverting the public's attention from the issue at hand?I could definitely name a company that does conduct business the way you describe but I'm not going there because that would be PPretty low
*shrug*Then once the people get the hcgenerate that he was so worried that they wouldn't be able to get, he should refund them the difference from the 100dollars to the regular price. Because for nate it wasn't about the money at all, it was about those unfortunate people who were never able to get the hcgenerate because of the other greedy bastards that would buy it so quickly!!:fool2::laugh2:
Lol, I like this. That solves the problem right?? Ntbm gets what they really want, and it's not money. lolThen once the people get the hcgenerate that he was so worried that they wouldn't be able to get, he should refund them the difference from the 100dollars to the regular price. Because for nate it wasn't about the money at all, it was about those unfortunate people who were never able to get the hcgenerate because of the other greedy bastards that would buy it so quickly!!:fool2::laugh2:
No worries my beasty friend; i've got 2 bottles in the stash right now!And I hope you get a bottle, bro
Because then they can't charge $100. lolIf they don't have problems selling it why are they not running more bottles?
I would have to think it's frustrating for them that they can't keep it in stock too. I goes out of stock for very long periods of time which isn't good for business I'm sure. So, I would think if they could get it in bigger batches they would.If they don't have problems selling it why are they not running more bottles?
Every time without fail, please keep us out of this there really is no comparison, thank you.I could definitely name a company that does conduct business the way you describe but I'm not going there because that would be PPretty low
agreedEvery time without fail, please keep us out of this there really is no comparison, thank you.
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