Ecdysterone - Any fans here?

Outstanding said:
I used a bottle of it once a friend sent to me... it was 'big' for a while, and then quickly faded. You can easily find in in the teens ($) online if you use Google Shopping, the only way I shop. However, ever since then, and forever leading into the future, I will continue using my own assortment which consists of Bioperine, Triphala, Grapefruit Extract, DHB, and Vitamin-C along with Omega 3/6/9 Oils to greatly enhance uptake! I buy all the ingredients separate from Swanson.
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No emblica officinalis?
 
Liftergym33 said:
This will by far superior ecdy... the initial run sold out when Eric brought it to to consumers.., Eric nailed this with the supplier, and will be here shortly Once Taurus Nutrition makes it's official launch!
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Hope it's soon!!! Do you guys have a ETA?
 
Going great. Sorry, I have been overloaded at work.

I think my comments on the TrueTurk were a bit premature. For that, I apologize as I may have jumped the gun in haste. :(

I am liking my EBOL+TrueTurk run better than the EBOL+SciFit ECD run. Why? I have gotten even leaner this time. No other variables have changed compared to the EBOL+SciFit run so it has to be the TrueTurk. I am getting as lean as I have ever been in my life. No mass gains to report of but I never gain any appreciable weight on these runs anyway. These are recomp cycles for me. I look and feel great.

I am down one full belt notch with zero changes in diet. Recall that I am on 3 caps of LeanXtreme as well. But still, zero dietary changes and I am cheating MORE. Insane as this makes cheating fun with no regrets. For people with crap metabolisms like me, this stuff is GOLD.

Vascularity is down which is odd as for me, as vacularity usually accompanies my leaning out. My poops are down too. Odd. I am back down from 4 to 2 a day. No explanation.

Strength is slightly up on everything and I just "feel great/euphoric/well-rested" which I would speculate is due to the EBOL adaptogens.

Sorry for the delays. I plan on staying on this for 2-3 more months.

I also might add 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone powder as the posts/positive feedback seems to be picking up on that stuff.
 
Great post, thanks! Let us know if you go with the 5,7 Methoxy.

The leaning out properties seem to really trump the anabolism - interesting, very interesting.

Thanks again man! :)
 
StakedCop said:
TL ecdypure is not ecdymorph. Ecdymorph is the best / only need 40-60mg a day but from user experience the gains get better around 100mg and Ouststanding is reporting great results at 200mg ED but for the rest of us thats an unreal amount. A bottle will last you 15 days at 8 caps 20 days at 6 caps. Iforce will be releasing a solo ecdymorph product within the next few months. I do not recall the price but since it's a solo product it will be cheaper (ecdymorph is pricy)

Hope I helped
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Why do people like ecdymoprh more, is it just based on user feedback or is it suppose to be a different extract? Whats the difference in terms of the material itself that would be creating these different results.
 
adawg4929 said:
Why do people like ecdymoprh more, is it just based on user feedback or is it suppose to be a different extract? Whats the difference in terms of the material itself that would be creating these different results.
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when I first looked into Ecdy, I was convinced the % didn't matter, and as long as you got the right amount of actives in during a day, you would have the same results regardless of the purity of the compound.

Then I started to ready about EcdyMorph and tried it out to compare...Ecdymorph at 50mg/day blew away 500mg/day of 95% ecdy(srs).


I spoke with Jay who handles all EcdyMorph and has done a lot of research on it, and he claims it's due to the crystallization of the compound during the extraction process. Up to about 95% and there is no crystallization of the molecules, but past that it increases more and more as the purity rises.

This crystallization is the only real difference, but man does it make a different in effectiveness. This is why EcdyMorph is always >99% pure.
 
VaughnTrue said:
when I first looked into Ecdy, I was convinced the % didn't matter, and as long as you got the right amount of actives in during a day, you would have the same results regardless of the purity of the compound.

Then I started to ready about EcdyMorph and tried it out to compare...Ecdymorph at 50mg/day blew away 500mg/day of 95% ecdy(srs).


I spoke with Jay who handles all EcdyMorph and has done a lot of research on it, and he claims it's due to the crystallization of the compound during the extraction process. Up to about 95% and there is no crystallization of the molecules, but past that it increases more and more as the purity rises.

This crystallization is the only real difference, but man does it make a different in effectiveness. This is why EcdyMorph is always >99% pure.
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so basically, come out with ur pure ecdy product before i go and spend a bunch of money on a few month run of ebol with less pure ecdy
 
VaughnTrue said:
when I first looked into Ecdy, I was convinced the % didn't matter, and as long as you got the right amount of actives in during a day, you would have the same results regardless of the purity of the compound.

Then I started to ready about EcdyMorph and tried it out to compare...Ecdymorph at 50mg/day blew away 500mg/day of 95% ecdy(srs).


I spoke with Jay who handles all EcdyMorph and has done a lot of research on it, and he claims it's due to the crystallization of the compound during the extraction process. Up to about 95% and there is no crystallization of the molecules, but past that it increases more and more as the purity rises.

This crystallization is the only real difference, but man does it make a different in effectiveness. This is why EcdyMorph is always >99% pure.
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Interesting stuff.
 
VaughnTrue said:
I hate giving exact dates because people get SO upset if the product takes longer than expected.


I would say within 2 weeks.
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Whats your thoughts on the MethoxyIsoflavone? poeple in this thread that are excited for EcdyMorph also are wanting to run MethoxyIsoflavone and Ipriflavone, im guessing your thuoghts on those 2 are a little more inline with what i think about them.

Also, i know you were looking into the 25rs a long time ago, were you ever able to make concrete conclusions on all the 25rs(diosgenin, 6keto diosgenin, ruizgenin, chlorogenin, laxogenin, etc.), not neccesariyl there mechanism but just which ones are which? (i remember ol bb.com threads where nomeclature of all these 25rs were soo messed up couldnt tell which was which). If so shoot me a PM.
 
I WANT ECDY. gonna be running a blueprint run soon and need to gather up some ecdy, and dont feel like buying 2 bottles of Ebol.
 
adawg4929 said:
Whats your thoughts on the MethoxyIsoflavone? poeple in this thread that are excited for EcdyMorph also are wanting to run MethoxyIsoflavone and Ipriflavone, im guessing your thuoghts on those 2 are a little more inline with what i think about them.

Also, i know you were looking into the 25rs a long time ago, were you ever able to make concrete conclusions on all the 25rs(diosgenin, 6keto diosgenin, ruizgenin, chlorogenin, laxogenin, etc.), not neccesariyl there mechanism but just which ones are which? (i remember ol bb.com threads where nomeclature of all these 25rs were soo messed up couldnt tell which was which). If so shoot me a PM.
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Bump on this :)

Also, I was able to speak with a lot of vendors over the weekend at the Arnold Classic, and it was very interesting to take note of the amount of people who didn't know about EcdyMorph, but once they heard they were excited to research it and wondered why not many companies produced it.

Science Defined Nutrition was there over the weekend, and I was able to talk with a couple different reps regarding the blend, and they other new products I had not been aware of that are coming out very soon according to their distribution manager. They also swapped out all their labels for a new updated design, and had a lot of good solid information to offer concerning the clinicals behind FREE REIGN that they compiled over the years.

Looks like the only product up now on Nutra is ROGUE, which is the first product of theirs I ever tried (their first product as a company I'm pretty sure). Invalid Link Removed Thank goodness I never tried this supplement last year while prepping for my contest, the appetite stimulation is simply sickening.

I'd like to hear more about the Methoxy as well, as I've tried products that contained it in the past and REALLY liked them - not to mention it can be found pretty easily in bulk online!
 
This was posted on another board:

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"Plants use ecdysteroids as natural insecticides, yet phytoecdysteroids are completely innocuous in mammals. Despite their steroidal skeleton, they have no teratogenic, sex-hormonal, anabolic, or analgesic properties. In rats, daily administration of 2 g/kg of ecdysteroid for 35 days has no effect on serum chemistry or organ weight (51). A maximum permissible oral dose of 9 g/kg of ecdysteroid does not have any lethal effects in mice (51). Moreover, humans consume large amounts of dietary ecdysteroids without detrimental effects. For example, fresh spinach contains over 100 μg/g of polypodine B and 20-hydroxyecdysone (52). Ingested ecdysteroids survive the acidic conditions of the stomach, are quickly taken up, are promptly removed from the bloodstream, and are disposed of primarily through biliary excretion into the intestine"

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
I honestly haven't read this study, so I haven't formulated an opinion on it yet. Just thought I would bring it to attention
 
Wheyfocused said:
This was posted on another board:

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"Plants use ecdysteroids as natural insecticides, yet phytoecdysteroids are completely innocuous in mammals. Despite their steroidal skeleton, they have no teratogenic, sex-hormonal, anabolic, or analgesic properties. In rats, daily administration of 2 g/kg of ecdysteroid for 35 days has no effect on serum chemistry or organ weight (51). A maximum permissible oral dose of 9 g/kg of ecdysteroid does not have any lethal effects in mice (51). Moreover, humans consume large amounts of dietary ecdysteroids without detrimental effects. For example, fresh spinach contains over 100 μg/g of polypodine B and 20-hydroxyecdysone (52). Ingested ecdysteroids survive the acidic conditions of the stomach, are quickly taken up, are promptly removed from the bloodstream, and are disposed of primarily through biliary excretion into the intestine"

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
I honestly haven't read this study, so I haven't formulated an opinion on it yet. Just thought I would bring it to attention
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I read this same study and also would like to hear intelligent thoughts on the matter.
 
ECD follows the polar opposite direction most supplements do in that many supplements look promising and are over-hyped on paper and VERY typically end up lacking real world results.

Conversely, ECD is one of those supps that is proven time and time again anecdotally and has a cult-like following fora reason. Just read this thread from start to finish.

The bodybuilding community gets flooded by and duped by the "latest greatest anabolic aids" all the time. As such, we demand discernable gratification IF we are to order anything "twice". Hard earned money is typically not "wasted" on inert substances. Sure, we all get fooled by in your face advertisements, but the willingness to order repetively can only come from results personally obtained?

Not the science you are looking for but I hope that helps?
 
Yea, it seems people either love or hate ecdy. Everyone in this thread is clearly a lover =D
 
You know what would be nice? An EcdyMorph infusion machine... like an insulin pump for diabetics, except filled with crystalline EcdyMorph!
 
Outstanding said:
You know what would be nice? An EcdyMorph infusion machine... like an insulin pump for diabetics, except filled with crystalline EcdyMorph!
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oh man, id totally wear an insulin pump if someone found a way to rig it to inject ecdy so i have a constant supply of insect roidz. or attach an ester to it and do once a week injections of high amounts of ecdy mmmmm. maybe a research company should make it!!
 
tnubs said:
oh man, id totally wear an insulin pump if someone found a way to rig it to inject ecdy so i have a constant supply of insect roidz. or attach an ester to it and do once a week injections of high amounts of ecdy mmmmm. maybe a research company should make it!!
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I doubt it. Highly.
 
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ECD/Turk crowd, I felt compelled to report this. Take this for what it's worth as this is highly anecdotal and purely speculative.

If you have read my posts on ECD, I have always remained consistent in that this stuff has some sort of unparalleled recomp abilities for me. The popular run of the mill GDP (glucose disposal agents) do not work for me. All they do is give me gastric distress and/or bloating and add some water weight. Just keeping it real.

For whatever reason, ECD and it's analogues (Turk in this case) have this insane ability to get me peeled all while allowing for crappy eating habits. I get so spolied being on this stuff b/c I cheat yet nothing bad happens LOL. Nuts for a slow metab guy like me.

So here's the main point of this post: I stopped Turk 2 weeks ago. So, I knew it was time to clean up my diet ( :( ) and get regimented again due to the fact I was off the stuff that allows me to binge (some times with wreckless abandon).

Well, despite the uber clean diet and ramped up cardio, I have put on 4-5 pounds. To make it worse, it's pure blubber (lol) and all around my midsection and love handles. Bizarre. Sure I am pissed but it only serves to substantiate my argument about this product's abilities to recomp me like none other.

It has to have some crazy efficacious insulin sensitivity attributes (glut-4?) b/c when I binge, it's carb-based as I am a low carb guy! Keep in mind with carb ingestion also comes water weight naturally (esp for a low carb guy) and yet I still didn't gain weight while on the Turk and binging on carbs! Oddly enough, my muscles looked fuller when I was 5 pounds lighter! Another cardinal indicator of slin sensitivity perhaps?

Also, to date, I have remained on my other beloved product (LeanXtreme) which also gets me peeled; yet the weight has come on and in the worst places.

I gotta telly you folks, if you are looking for MASS, ECD and Turk are not where it's at. If you are looking to get peeled or recomp, nothing can hang with high dosed ECD/Turk.

I love this crap!
 
NP will be offering iForce Nutrition's ECDY on April 5th(6th at the latest).


Why is it unique?

It is the ONLY pure EcdyMorph formula on the planet! Featuring 25mg of >99% pure Ecdysterone per capsule, and 90 capsules per bottle, you won't ever want to get off this stuff! Cant wait for everyone to see the price :)
 
Whacked said:
ECD/Turk crowd, I felt compelled to report this.

I gotta telly you folks, if you are looking for MASS, ECD and Turk are not where it's at. If you are looking to get peeled or recomp, nothing can hang with high dosed ECD/Turk.

I love this crap!
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So do I but had opposite result. by 9th day I had gained 4-5 lbs. My kid and my ex both commented I looked Extra Big!! Actually even to me and I'm most critical of myself, I looked more massive. I was doing True Turk for just 10 days. I hope ecdymorph is as effective and not as expensive. I saw Tonvara will have an ecdy/Turk in mid April or May.
 
MetaBeta said:
So do I but had opposite result. by 9th day I had gained 4-5 lbs. My kid and my ex both commented I looked Extra Big!! Actually even to me and I'm most critical of myself, I looked more massive. I was doing True Turk for just 10 days. I hope ecdymorph is as effective and not as expensive. I saw Tonvara will have an ecdy/Turk in mid April or May.
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EcdyMorph is usually pretty pricey stuff.


iForce got the hook up and will be making it available for a great price :)
 
VaughnTrue said:
NP will be offering iForce Nutrition's ECDY on April 5th(6th at the latest).


Why is it unique?

It is the ONLY pure EcdyMorph formula on the planet! Featuring 25mg of >99% pure Ecdysterone per capsule, and 90 capsules per bottle, you won't ever want to get off this stuff! Cant wait for everyone to see the price :)
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shoulda made it like 240 caps per bottle cuz everyone who is a ecdy fan is gonna be dosing high. hopefully this is like $9.99

outstanding, you were running like 200mg/day, right? so clearly i have to match that, which means one bottle will last like 11 days. so 3 bottles per month. so hopefully prices really are epic low.
 
tnubs said:
shoulda made it like 240 caps per bottle cuz everyone who is a ecdy fan is gonna be dosing high. hopefully this is like $9.99

outstanding, you were running like 200mg/day, right? so clearly i have to match that, which means one bottle will last like 11 days. so 3 bottles per month. so hopefully prices really are epic low.
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I think for us mortals 100 mg will do just fine, lol
 
tnubs said:
shoulda made it like 240 caps per bottle cuz everyone who is a ecdy fan is gonna be dosing high. hopefully this is like $9.99

outstanding, you were running like 200mg/day, right? so clearly i have to match that, which means one bottle will last like 11 days. so 3 bottles per month. so hopefully prices really are epic low.
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For 240 caps, you would have been looking at a $75+ product...not something most people would go for.


I have said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm a BIG guy(about 275lbs) and I have never seen a need for more than 75mg/day of this stuff. I have tried all different doses, and 75mg/day is definitely my sweet spot.


You also have to realize EcdyMorph is not just "regular" ecdy. It is hands down more effective than any other form of Ecdy I have used.
 
What would be a good dose for trying to lean out? Is this something that you would want to run 5 days on/2 days off or can you run it for weeks at a time?
 
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