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This FUKKED UP!

luelinks

luelinks

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Ok so I'm probably going to get burned here for this. But its also funny. Ok non pro-hormones like Blue gene, natadrol, prime, pink magic, and m-stak are from $27-$50 and thats if you get them for great price and they might work. But pro-hormones are like $25-$35 and an amazing PCT cycle are like $60 but there pretty much garanteed to work! So you can either spend $120 on 8 weeks of natadrol and $30-$45 on PCT. Or you can get Pmag for $52 for 8 weeks of it and $60 for PCT cycle. DAMN its expensive to go "natural".
 
point taken but some people don't want to alter there hormrons.
 
True that but you also gotta thin about how much does fatty food cost. My friends eat out and that costs them $7-$9 and then they got the junk foods that should cost them couple of dollars. Two cokes a day and that's like $1 each. While I HAVE eaten $20-$30 a day but as of right now I eat less than $10 a days and i get 1.5g/lb of protein. So it dies matter what you eat. But I don't think non hormonal supplements should cost more than hormonal ones.

I'M ON MY PHONE ABD IM DOING CARSIO SO I DONT KNOW IF I TYPES EVERYTHING RIGHT.
 
Yep, being heyoooge is all about teh size of yo' wallets.


No. It's a lifestyle. Note that I didn't say a "life choice" here. Those who train seriously spend not only a lot of money, but a lot of time and effort putting into their bodies to get out of it what we often see in mags and such. You're looking at the price of PHs, but look into the price of "illicit substances" once and see how much a huge pro-sized cycle would cost. Results? Yeah. Expensive? Yup. Add in the massive quantities of great food and you've got to be independently wealthy or have a very good sponsor to pay for that 8-pack and 22" gun show.

For the rest of us, it's work your a-double-scribble off each day we hit the gym, take products based on educated purchases, and make wise choices on what you shove down your cake hole.

And cost of "natty" vs. cost of the PHs you're talking about? What's the cost of "legal" anyway? Some of us just choose to go "natty/compliant".
 
Supplements should not be compared to steroids in any way. Its a silly comparison in every way.If you really wanted to be truly "natural" anyway, I would imagine you would just eat regular food and drink water. If more people did that and worked out properly, they most likely wouldn't be turning to DS or anything similar in the first place.
 
luelinks said:
I'M ON MY PHONE ABD IM DOING CARSIO SO I DONT KNOW IF I TYPES EVERYTHING RIGHT.
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^^^Hilarious... I can't stand seeing people doing that at the gym. But mad props to you for at least being on a good website so I guess its cool by me. LOL

And your spelling's not bad considering you prolly outta breathe as you're typing.
 
freezito said:
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No, but this one is! :stooges:

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TheBreeze said:
^^^Hilarious... I can't stand seeing people doing that at the gym. But mad props to you for at least being on a good website so I guess its cool by me. LOL

And your spelling's not bad considering you prolly outta breathe as you're typing.
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I hate being on my phone too but I hate doing cardio and I was trying to get my mind off of how much I hate doing it. I go heavy on elliptical and its not very easy to type. I did abs/hams/and calves so cardio was painful as hell!


To rest about my f-ed up post. You guys also gotta see that I don't drink nor do I smoke. I've never even have tried it and the reason for that is cause I don't need them and they hurt my body and they got no benefits. But I see a lot of people take sh!t about roids and pro-H but they drink like fish and smoke like a chimney. Bodybuilding is not an easy way of life and I know that. I hate drinking 2 gallons of water, I hate it that I can't eat out with my friends, I hate that I got to piss and end up getting bitched out by my teachers for leaving class multiple times. But I also love having control over my body. Lifting like a beast and not being able to by jeans easily cause my quads and calves are too big. But think about it if why aren't they supplements out there that are non-hormonal and help cheaper than hormonal products. The only one I have ever seen is natural sterol by universal. Only ONE! Maybe I haven't came across more but it makes me think why aren't they more. Also why do Pro-hormones say 21+ and not like 28+ or early 30's. Cause I though thats when your test goes down.
 
luelinks said:
But think about it if why aren't they supplements out there that are non-hormonal and help cheaper than hormonal products.
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Creatine,BCAAS,Beta Alanine,Cit mal, DAA....and many more... wait for deals if you want them.
Nothing will compare to juice.... and will not be able to be priced as such. 3 of many reasons are ;

#1 small companies having to buy small quantities of hard to find products and produce themselves.

#2 To be a legal company that pays for testing and quality assurance,taxes and a varied staff, you need to pay a great deal of money. When you are out of school and if you ever get into running a business you will find this out. I for example am always convincing customers on why is is not a good idea to contract jobs from other companies which are not legal, do not carry insurance , wcb, do not pay tax and leave no paper trail but can and will do the job for almost 1/2 what it cost me to keep my business afloat.

#3 The AAS may get are form small/poor countries that can charge peanuts for their products.
 
luelinks said:
Ok so I'm probably going to get burned here for this. But its also funny. Ok non pro-hormones like Blue gene, natadrol, prime, pink magic, and m-stak are from $27-$50 and thats if you get them for great price and they might work. But pro-hormones are like $25-$35 and an amazing PCT cycle are like $60 but there pretty much garanteed to work! So you can either spend $120 on 8 weeks of natadrol and $30-$45 on PCT. Or you can get Pmag for $52 for 8 weeks of it and $60 for PCT cycle. DAMN its expensive to go "natural".
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Natural, unnatural, meh. Supplements aren't natural, they supplement your natural system... like creatine supplements your natural creatine levels. Testosterone "supplements" your natural testosterone levels ;). The way I see it... I'm about 300% natural.

There's just the matter of being shutdown. Well you can avoid that with hCG. But the way I see it... my balls are working all the time making my seed and pumping out my test, i'm telling them "thank you" by giving them a vacation every now and then. Right now it's like they're chillin on the beach, they got nothin to worry about. When the time comes, i'll bitch slap them back to work.

Hey dude seriously, your overall point is valid. I switched to DS/AAS because I blew hundreds and HUNDREDS of dollars on supplements that really didn't do anything. IMO about half of them are scams and the supplement science behind them is criminally exaggerated. However I'm not totally biased as there's still a lot of great supplements out there, and over time i've come to find out that I'm simply a poor responder... My friend, for instance, gets great results off every supplement he tries. Me on the other hand, I don't even respond very well to several different steroids, lol...

In the end its all personal choices, and having those options available to us is good.
 
UnrealMachine said:
Natural, unnatural, meh. Supplements aren't natural, they supplement your natural system... like creatine supplements your natural creatine levels. Testosterone "supplements" your natural testosterone levels ;). The way I see it... I'm about 300% natural.

There's just the matter of being shutdown. Well you can avoid that with hCG. But the way I see it... my balls are working all the time making my seed and pumping out my test, i'm telling them "thank you" by giving them a vacation every now and then. Right now it's like they're chillin on the beach, they got nothin to worry about. When the time comes, i'll bitch slap them back to work.

Hey dude seriously, your overall point is valid. I switched to DS/AAS because I blew hundreds and HUNDREDS of dollars on supplements that really didn't do anything. IMO about half of them are scams and the supplement science behind them is criminally exaggerated. However I'm not totally biased as there's still a lot of great supplements out there, and over time i've come to find out that I'm simply a poor responder... My friend, for instance, gets great results off every supplement he tries. Me on the other hand, I don't even respond very well to several different steroids, lol...

In the end its all personal choices, and having those options available to us is good.
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LOL!!! Ok so here is a question. With all these pro-H and new kinds of roids out there how do people still get gyno? Also since pro-H are also steroids do they make you boys shrink? I think 60+% of my school tried pro-H but I personally think the way people F themselves up is by not doing the post cycle right.
 
yes they still make ur nuts shrink as most of them ar either A. Fully active oral steroids

Or B. A prohormone- which coneverts to an anabolic steroid in ur body


As to the idiots who did prohormones in Highschool- they deserve what they got


You will screw urself up at that age even if u do pct right
 
schwellington said:
yes they still make ur nuts shrink as most of them ar either A. Fully active oral steroids

Or B. A prohormone- which coneverts to an anabolic steroid in ur body


As to the idiots who did prohormones in Highschool- they deserve what they got


You will screw urself up at that age even if u do pct right
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not gonna argue but i did a cycle in high school and i think it acutally help my testosterone. i wouldnt reccomend it to kids but still. maybe i just got lucky. actually i even heard that back in the day kids with delayed puberty were given mild steroids to "kickstart" test.
 
meh your right there are instances like ur case but they are few! u got lucky!
 
Ok you guys have to give me credit that at least I came on the form and ask and willing to talk about it. I don't know sh!t about pro-hormones and I want to learn about them. Even if I end up never doing them and I WON'T do them until I got to my doctor and check with him. I think what pisses me off the most is that people think I am on pro-hormones while I'm not and I bust my a$$ for every 1/16 of inch I gain. While other kids do pro-hormones and grow easier and don't even spend the time doing the things I do. Now here is another question why later? I know my test level is at its highest point right now but is there other reason they say do them later. What's going to change in a year or two, just my test level?


AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE REPLYS AND HELPS!
 
This is how I look at things. I'm in there doing the work. I've done my research, gained my experience, and made changes. I continue to do that every day, sometimes making poor choices and slipping backwards. But each time I slip, I know I did it and I know what I need to do to fix it. Today, I am a hell of a lot healthier, stronger, more defined, and even for my "frame", slimmer than I was before I started this journey. How I got there is as important as where I am, but not as important as what I've learned and put into practice along the way.

If you take a step back and look only in the mirror and NOT at everyone else, you'll see my point. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing. Take the compliments that you get in stride, even if they are few and far between. I think that if you (or anyone) is in the gym doing this stuff primarily for someone else in the sake of vanity, you're a fool. I do this for me, but I also do it for my family - to live longer, to be more active and play with my 2 yr old daughter, to be more attractive to my wife (which is still debatable! lol), and in general to be a better me.

I don't care what the guy on the other bench is doing, what he's taking, or why he's in there. I care why I'm here, what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.
 
T-AD said:
This is how I look at things. I'm in there doing the work. I've done my research, gained my experience, and made changes. I continue to do that every day, sometimes making poor choices and slipping backwards. But each time I slip, I know I did it and I know what I need to do to fix it. Today, I am a hell of a lot healthier, stronger, more defined, and even for my "frame", slimmer than I was before I started this journey. How I got there is as important as where I am, but not as important as what I've learned and put into practice along the way.

If you take a step back and look only in the mirror and NOT at everyone else, you'll see my point. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing. Take the compliments that you get in stride, even if they are few and far between. I think that if you (or anyone) is in the gym doing this stuff primarily for someone else in the sake of vanity, you're a fool. I do this for me, but I also do it for my family - to live longer, to be more active and play with my 2 yr old daughter, to be more attractive to my wife (which is still debatable! lol), and in general to be a better me.

I don't care what the guy on the other bench is doing, what he's taking, or why he's in there. I care why I'm here, what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.
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Ok so again I'm on my phone but this time in lab playing with chemicals :) ok Theyare sooooo many things that you said that I liked. I think maybe I should move up the supplement chain but not to pro-hormones. Maybe to stuff like pink magic and sh!t. I think what I'm mad about is that supplements like prime, blue gene, and pink magic should cost less(I name usp labs products a lot cause there good stuff that work for a lot of people). See I like natural sterol complex cause it's cheap. It's like $17-$20 for a month worth. I think there should be more products like that out. If not cheaper at leas make th last a little longer. Like 4-5 weeks rather than just 20 days or so. Or even better deals to there loyal customers. Something, anything!
 
luelinks said:
Ok so again I'm on my phone but this time in lab playing with chemicals :) ok Theyare sooooo many things that you said that I liked. I think maybe I should move up the supplement chain but not to pro-hormones. Maybe to stuff like pink magic and sh!t. I think what I'm mad about is that supplements like prime, blue gene, and pink magic should cost less(I name usp labs products a lot cause there good stuff that work for a lot of people). See I like natural sterol complex cause it's cheap. It's like $17-$20 for a month worth. I think there should be more products like that out. If not cheaper at leas make th last a little longer. Like 4-5 weeks rather than just 20 days or so. Or even better deals to there loyal customers. Something, anything!
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what did NSC do for you?
 
rochabp said:
what did NSC do for you?
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My arms had shrunk about 3/4" do to traveling from one country to another and not being able to eat 12 hours while walking everywhere for two weeks. So I stacked it with m-stack and I was told to workout for 3 times a week rather than 5 or 6. So I did and not only my bench went up by 10lbs and my I think I ALMOST got all my gains back in my arms in 3 weeks. I didn't take NSC right because I had misunderstood it(I don't how but it happened) but I though it was because of M-stack so I took it 2 more times with each diet better than last and NOTHING. Not a single fukking thing. So I'm pretty sure it was NSC. OH and I gained 6lbs during those 3 weeks. Mostly muscle though. I think my waist barely went up.
 
This is because ph requires just a lab to create, while "natural" requires the companies to actually venture out and discover plants with cool sounding fancy names.

Also, I always have my doubts with these "natural" supplements, especially since most of the ingredients that are used are commonly and easily available. Which brings the question, if they are so easily availables, all these stems and leafs, why have we not become some alphamales/females by now.

Look at Pink Magic's ingredients for example,
Massularia Acuminate (stem), Nelumbo Nucifera (seeds and leaves), Rhamnus Nakaharai (stem)

By the sound of that we should be able to go through a forest and come out with hard built abs and huge arms. So in places equator areas such as India, South Asia, South America, etc. and all these countries where a lot of these plants are found should have populations of people with high testosterone and strong built muscless.

I guess I kind of see it as comparing something like gingko with some pharaceutical made product like adderal. Both promise that your memory, attention and neural acitivity will improve. And yet with gingko you can be taking that supplement for months or maybe years and still not achieve these noticeble improvements. And then you compare it with adderal, something not "natural", and you have people reacting to it within days, or even hours.

Not saying all "nautral" supplements are bad, but when you have ingredients such as stems and leaves being used, then there should be some suspicion as to how something can really work that well when it uses ingredients you can just pick up from a plant shop, store, chinese market, etc.
 
luelinks said:
My arms had shrunk about 3/4" do to traveling from one country to another and not being able to eat 12 hours while walking everywhere for two weeks. So I stacked it with m-stack and I was told to workout for 3 times a week rather than 5 or 6. So I did and not only my bench went up by 10lbs and my I think I ALMOST got all my gains back in my arms in 3 weeks. I didn't take NSC right because I had misunderstood it(I don't how but it happened) but I though it was because of M-stack so I took it 2 more times with each diet better than last and NOTHING. Not a single fukking thing. So I'm pretty sure it was NSC. OH and I gained 6lbs during those 3 weeks. Mostly muscle though. I think my waist barely went up.
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You don't think muscle memory accounted for anything here? Oh no of course it was the supplements.

@ noot, i have doubts about "natural" supplements as well, after how many times i've seen guys on "natural" supplements get stuff like GYNO.
 
do any of you guys know weather steroids were used in ancient rome? i thought i read something like that, even before the whole russian and usa cold war and the olympic story i heard they were used way back or at least the plants sterols. anyone?
 
idk about plant sterols, but actual steroids, NO.
 
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