Someone mentioned tren clones stacked w/ epi last page. I had never really considered tren clones for a pulse before but recently got a hold of some. How would it best be dosed in a tren/epi pulse?
I'm using ATD 25mg on ON nights (because I work out early), though most people would take ATD or 6br on OFF nights. I also take Blue Up (Trib.) on OFF mornings. It probably isn't necessary, but in my simple mind it makes sense.thanks for the help mark, but im still a little confused. you are taking 6 br for your pct and on your off days? and what did you say you were taking for the 6br instead of hyperdrol x2?
Also what were the thoughts about recycle? for either on cycle or pct? good product or not exactly what i should be looking for for this pulse?
Thanks
Nothing "noobish" about your thought process at all and I agree with you 100%. On my Epi pulse I took 30 mg about 4 or so hours prior to lifting and the other 30mg immediately pre workout. I liked that best for effect and for some of the reasons you stated above, bottom line is I don't think your wrong either way you go but I like it all pre-workout.I was just wondering what the benefits of splitting the dose pre/post workout on a pulse. If I'm taking 50mg three times a week, this thread seems to say split it between pre and post workout 30/20 (unless late at night).
What I'm wondering is why wouldn't I take 40/10 or all 50 pre? With a pulse I thought it was to get the compound in your system right around workout time, so why not get as much of the effect before/during your workout rather than after?
Would you want to take it later to keep it in your system longer? That seems counter-intuitive.
Would you take it after to help improve recovery? With Epistane being androgenic and not very anabolic, does that matter?
Sorry for the noobish question, just trying to figure it out. Thanks!
Agreed, hence dropping Glycobol till after cycle when I can see a benefit in increasing uptake of glycogen once more after the PH is out the system, should I think help with preventing fat and maintaining lean gains when starting out PCT too - strikes me a good addition to a PCT but pointless during a cycle (or at least wasted value).I use Anabolic Pump on off days to help keep glycogen stores up during my pulse. Necessary? Probably not.
I also think it's a waste for on days since the PH should be helping increase uptake without it. I'm guessing it's not necessary and is a good time to take a break. Just a guess, but I don't see many cycles out there with Glycobol/Anabolic Pump included...
It's kinda funny that they were suggesting dosages of like 3 to 6 mg. per day when M-Dien first came out. WAY too low!!!yeah, mdien, well I dunno, mdien run at 20+mg a day wasn't too bad.
Good points. I would say strength is part of what I look for with pulsing since it adds a boost as far as getting past previous sticking points regarding weights used. With enough calories that can translate into mass.I don't recall seeing much pulsing with tren. I think in part that it already has a high incidence of gyno sides and that some people think that pulsing may make it even worse. Plus more often than not I think people are looking for added mass rather than strength with pulsing.
Theoretically yeah that should be fine you would be taking about the same amount as a straight cycle 10, 20, 30 of three weeks. My thought is that after a while your gains will slow or stop from not upping the dose. Maybe try a 6 week cycle and up your doses alittle once gains stop. You need more than a straight cycle most of the time because you are not dosing every day. 30mgs is the magical dose for pulsing super in my book.How long could one safely run a MWF 10mg Pulse of M-Drol? Could you go 12 weeks?
Should be nice, as you said would def require a full legit PCT. I'm starting week 8 of a Bold with SD pulsed cycle and I have loved it. I have 3 different SD clones so I decided to do a little unscientific experimentation by pulsing all 3 for 2 weeks. I started with M-Drol and that was good, then I did Methadrol and was not as impressed and finally I did Superbolan 20 and that was the best of the 3 and I could tell it was with the first dose, damn pumps were almost painful and lasted for a long time . BTW I dosed SD at 20mg pre and 10mg post on M-W-F.Has anyone considered running an SD pulse (10pre/10post) along with a straight hdrol cycle? This is something I've been thinking of doing. The hdrol would be 50/75/75/75/75/75 with SD pulsed on training days. I thought the SD would give a nice kick to an otherwise fairly mild cycle. SERM based PCT also.
I'm really curious what you guys think about this idea.
i suggested this idea over at bb.com and the idea got slammed down with the usual 'pulsing is rubbish' and 'just run a straight cycle'Has anyone considered running an SD pulse (10pre/10post) along with a straight hdrol cycle? This is something I've been thinking of doing. The hdrol would be 50/75/75/75/75/75 with SD pulsed on training days. I thought the SD would give a nice kick to an otherwise fairly mild cycle. SERM based PCT also.
I'm really curious what you guys think about this idea.
If they said it was a bad idea @ bb.com, then I'm definitely doing it!i suggested this idea over at bb.com and the idea got slammed down with the usual 'pulsing is rubbish' and 'just run a straight cycle'
but i was suggesting on days of SD, drop the Hdrol to just 25 or 50 to lessen the toxicity
I'll be using Mdrol. If results are good and sides are okay, I may jump to 20/10 towards the end. I think I'll be starting it this week.Should be nice, as you said would def require a full legit PCT. I'm starting week 8 of a Bold with SD pulsed cycle and I have loved it. I have 3 different SD clones so I decided to do a little unscientific experimentation by pulsing all 3 for 2 weeks. I started with M-Drol and that was good, then I did Methadrol and was not as impressed and finally I did Superbolan 20 and that was the best of the 3 and I could tell it was with the first dose, damn pumps were almost painful and lasted for a long time . BTW I dosed SD at 20mg pre and 10mg post on M-W-F.
The doses of H-drol you stated in conjunction with pulsed M-drol should be fine, I know everyone says don't do 2 methyls and if it were a straight cycle I might feel differently but with support supps I think you should be fine and should make some nice gains provided diet and training are right.I'll be using Mdrol. If results are good and sides are okay, I may jump to 20/10 towards the end. I think I'll be starting it this week.
Sounds like a sweet cycle. The hdrol is mild so it shouldn't be to harsh. Also the increase in appetite from the hdrol and added anabolic benefits from the super will pack on the mass!Has anyone considered running an SD pulse (10pre/10post) along with a straight hdrol cycle? This is something I've been thinking of doing. The hdrol would be 50/75/75/75/75/75 with SD pulsed on training days. I thought the SD would give a nice kick to an otherwise fairly mild cycle. SERM based PCT also.
I'm really curious what you guys think about this idea.
I'd wait until mid to late Feb to do a pulse or any other cycle. The general rule for time off is a month of PCT plus double the length of time you were on for. So that would total 14 weeks off, including the 4 week PCT.So after reading a pretty big chunk of this thread ive become real interested in pulsing my next cycle... Just wanted to clear some things up with you guys:
First off, the positives to pulsing (besides being less toxic on liver via lower dosages per time) would be that one can stay on cycle longer and can gain little by little, increasing likelihood of keeping gains?... as far as strength and size goes, would yall say pulsing or straight cycle gives you a better increase in each ?
I ended my 5 wk h-drol cycle Nov. 8th- so how soon would i be ok to start an m-drol cycle/m-drol pulse? I read where Dr. D said "time on= time off" so i would already be good by now since its been over 5 weeks since my last hdrol dosage?
Anyways, i was thinking of doing a an "every other day" pulse of Mdrol- what dosage do yall recommend and for how many weeks...something like mdrol pulse 6wks @ 20/20/30/30/30/30 ? (every other day of course) ...This may be way off so dont hammer me, just looking for some advice/critique and some past experiences with this ph as i continue browsing back through the millions of pages to this great thread.
Thanks in advance
Alright man sweet thanks. What about dosages and number of weeks for this pulse?I'd wait until mid to late Feb to do a pulse or any other cycle. The general rule for time off is a month of PCT plus double the length of time you were on for. So that would total 14 weeks off, including the 4 week PCT.
Strength and size is probably more in a straight cycle because you're squeezing more doses into a shorter time period. Those gains tend to be harder to keep though. As you correctly assumed, pulsing allows you to make slower, steady gaines that end up being easier to keep. it requires more patience but the sustainable results are worth it.
Number of weeks just depends. I've seen ppl. talk about pulsing from anywhere between like 4 to 12 or 16 weeks. I'd say if it's you're first pulse, keep it shorter, but I'm not sure there's a lot of benefit to anything less than probably 6.Alright man sweet thanks. What about dosages and number of weeks for this pulse?