Anabolics Disappearing? AppNut says....
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ConcreteConny
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SamBoz19
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I will not divulge any product ingredients, but I would believe HGH Up would be fine to ship to Australia. I see no reason for it to not be accepted other than if customs wants to be a$$holes and confiscate the products because it is named HGH up.
Cheers!:cheers:
-Sean-
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SamBoz19
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Personal opinion...I thought the Capsule version of PowerFull was Bunk and a total waste of money, but the bulk powder version of PowerFull was kick a$$ stuff. It worked pretty damn good, my only complaint is that it worked a little too good...lethargy was a pain in the ass pre-workout. I think USPLabs bulk powders are better than they're lineup of capped products though. The only one I really like in cap form is Anabolic Pump and P-Slin...even though bulk P-Slin and Yellow Gold hit harder (as a sidenote...bulk P-Slin and Yellow Gold taken together literally make you a F*cking vacuum...its like your a black hole and you can't stop eating, but the pumps that come with are nice!!!). LOL.
Now mind you that is just my personal opinion based on my own experience. Regardless of my affiliation with AN those would be my thoughts.
Cheers!:cheers:
-Sean-
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jakellpet
Banned
Australian Customs are arseholes, and experience has taught me that using such a name as 'HGH' up will have it regularly confiscated.
Maybe you want to rename it: HiGH Up :lol:
SamBoz19
Well-known member
Yeah HIGH UP...coming soon to be rolled into a blunt for you. LOL. :toofunny: Yeah that one would definitely work.
Cheers!:cheers:
-Sean-
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rms80
Board Sponsor
works great with RPM/Drive as a pre-workout
will work great with The One (if you can find any)- or any other PH- it will maximize the effects of any androgen, and the GH enhancement will provide synergism with the increased androgen levels
The interesting thing about injectible GH, at least from what I have seen in bodybuilders, is that it doesn't do that much by itself (aside from dramatic fat loss), but when you put it in an enviroment with heightened test levels (like in HGH-Up), it tends to magnify the effects- both in terms of fat loss and muscle gain
bioman
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That's where a lot of the confusion in this thread stems from...a lot of people have never run real HGH and are unaware of its pro's and cons. It's not a miracle bulking hormone like some believe.
Real HGH is kinda like what Elvis told Priscilla about his drugs,"They're like vitamins, baby, only better."
Real HGH improves just about every function of the body but it's not a huge mass builder in and of itself.
Real HGH is kinda like what Elvis told Priscilla about his drugs,"They're like vitamins, baby, only better."
Real HGH improves just about every function of the body but it's not a huge mass builder in and of itself.
Iron Lungz
Banned
I was really hoping for the actual write-up, and not a tease. :twak:
With this bulletin that is quoted above, the bolded part looks like L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate. Further, I will dig.
Ahem... :13:
strategicmove
Legend
Quite a strong statement, Sean, and can be easily misunderstood! Slippery grounds, my friend!
Rodja
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Finally, someone else who agrees with me. Peptides are wonderful for recomp effects and their healing prowess, but are not very anabolic in and of themselves. However, they do work very synergistic with AAS.
SamBoz19
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Agreed and I understand where your coming from bud, no problems! I made my personal opinion bluntly from own personal experience and I made a note of that and as I stated...the bulk powder version was better. However, I'll give benefit of the doubt...I tried the original cap version. My comments were not meant as a direct slap in the face to USPLabs. Actually, I gave praise for the bulk powders, Anabolic Pump, and P-Slin. Furthermore, I did clarify it was my personal thoughts. Now if someone is to misconstrue my thoughts or comments I will gladly set them straight. Now back to business about HGH Up
Cheers Ike!:cheers:
-Sean-
Team APPNUT
strategicmove
Legend
Agreed and I understand where your coming from bud, no problems! I made my personal opinion bluntly from own personal experience and I made a note of that and as I stated...the bulk powder version was better. However, I'll give benefit of the doubt...I tried the original cap version. My comments were not meant as a direct slap in the face to USPLabs. Actually, I gave praise for the bulk powders, Anabolic Pump, and P-Slin. Furthermore, I did clarify it was my personal thoughts. Now if someone is to misconstrue my thoughts or comments I will gladly set them straight. Now back to business about HGH Up
Cheers Ike!:cheers:
-Sean-
Team APPNUT
Not to stretch the subject, but I am frankly not coming from where you think I am.
I am simply of the deep personal conviction that reps, regardless which, have a credibility problem when they attack competing products, and insist their position is a personal one. As a matter of principle, I rather withhold my comments in such cases. But we are all different! Now, I dedicate my curiosity and full interest to HGH Up. :cheers:
bigmoe65
Banned
Ok, I will say it for you, HGHup is bunk too.Not to stretch the subject, but I am frankly not coming from where you think I am.
Now, I dedicate my curiosity and full interest to HGH Up. :cheers:
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
It should be. However, at the end of the day it's really whoever is on Customs duty when your order gets in that makes the final decision (and you never know whether it will be fine or not, being a capsulated product and re name (one reason why the relabelled IGF-2 is called Torqued in Australia and NZ), even if it IS for an individual order).
All good, Aaron
~Rosie
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Roguetrader
New member
Sounds interesting, I've loved Applied products thus far.
TexasLifter89
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HGH up apps GET THEM IN!!
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p5sky
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That is exactly the way it was discussed for Ghenerate. LG said that it would be a great complement to a cycle or even a t-booster. I cannot wait to compare the 2 products, I really enjoyed Ghenerate and it was solo. Can you imagine HGH-Up or Ghen with Epi or SD? I plan to run one of the GH products with tren.
crreaby
New member
customs are assho*les though i've had my fair share of luck too
metroba
Legend
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Prime has no hormonal action, whereas HGHUP♂ does, so you cannot even compare the two products.
~Rosie
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DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah they may stack very nice though...
Iron Lungz
Banned
If it raises Testosterone / hGH, yet does not require a PCT, what is the MOA?
JBerto
Active member
I can't understand. So HGHUP has hormonal action and raises testosterone but it don't need PCT?
I can only imagine 2 situations:
1.- The effects of HGHUP are so low that it don't need PCT
2.- HGHUP is really good and has great effects, but in that case i think PCT would be necessary
EasyEJL
Never enough
A PCT is only necessary if you are adding an exogenous source of hormones which suppresses your natural production. If you are adding substances that maximize your natural production then no PCT is necessary. As a particular example with GH, a male's body naturally has 2-4 pulses a day, each lasting roughly 2-3 hours. Part of what causes a pulse to occur is a low enough somatastatin level. If somatastatin levels are suppressed by a natural compound, then you will end up with more pulses a day as one will kick off as the old pulse dies off, significantly increasing your total GH production for the day without introducing exogenous GH. Its possible to see as many as 6-8 pulses a day that way where your body never quite sees a low GH moment which is part of what causes the lethargy that some people noticed
JBerto
Active member
A PCT is only necessary if you are adding an exogenous source of hormones which suppresses your natural production. If you are adding substances that maximize your natural production then no PCT is necessary. As a particular example with GH, a male's body naturally has 2-4 pulses a day, each lasting roughly 2-3 hours. Part of what causes a pulse to occur is a low enough somatastatin level. If somatastatin levels are suppressed by a natural compound, then you will end up with more pulses a day as one will kick off as the old pulse dies off, significantly increasing your total GH production for the day without introducing exogenous GH. Its possible to see as many as 6-8 pulses a day that way where your body never quite sees a low GH moment which is part of what causes the lethargy that some people noticed
Interesting. Thanks. :cheers:
rms80
Board Sponsor
We did the first scale-up run for the product of 40,000 capsules today- went pretty well
Testosterone:
The product has some effect on increasing LH and serum T levels, while decreasing FSH and PRL levels, acts as a testicular antioxidant, as well as increasing androgen receptor number and functionality (alters receptor electronegativity and binding)- so it increases factors that enhance endogenous T production, as well as other underlying factors concerning androgen receptor binding. You can still increase T without directly binding the AR- a perfect example is clomid, or anastrozole- these compounds effect factors other than the AR, but can increase T levels dramatically, w/o the need for a PCT.....
hGH:
Product inhibits somatostatin, and increases mean serum GH- both in a direct and indirect manner....pretty basic mechanism on this one- and increased T in humans allows for concurrently increased hGH and IGF-1- so in reality the product is synergistic on its own.....this study used TRT (which directly binds the AR)- so it may be a slight overrepresentation, but the MOA is the same, in that one mechanism drives the other......this is the reason I am so excited about this whole new series of products- you can get hormonal synergism through secondary means- it may not be as dramatic (or fast), but you can make "pharmaceutical" like gains off of these products, if they are formulated correctly, and the diet, training, and rest is in place.....
Eur J Endocrinol. 2005 Oct;153(4):577-86.Click here to read Links
Testosterone supplementation in healthy older men drives GH and IGF-I secretion without potentiating peptidyl secretagogue efficacy.
Veldhuis JD, Keenan DM, Mielke K, Miles JM, Bowers CY.
Department of Internal Medicine, Mayo Medical and Graduate Schools of Medicine, General Clinical Research Center, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN 55905, USA. [email protected]
OBJECTIVE: Testosterone supplementation increases GH and IGF-I concentrations in healthy older men via unknown mechanisms. We examine the hypotheses that (i) testosterone amplifies stimulation of GH secretion by GH-releasing peptide (GHRP)-2 or GH-releasing hormone (GHRH) infused with l-arginine to limit somatostatin outflow (i.e. upregulates each agonistic pathway), (ii) testosterone augments the effect of both peptidyl secretagogues infused together (i.e. reduces opposition by hypothalamic somatostatin) and (iii) abdominal visceral fat (AVF) mass is a negative determinant of specific secretagogue-stimulated GH secretion. DESIGN: Randomized double-blind crossover design of placebo versus testosterone administration in healthy older men. METHODS: Deconvolution analysis was used to estimate basal GH secretion and the mass (integral) and waveform (time-shape) of GH secretory bursts. RESULTS: Statistical contrasts revealed that administration of testosterone compared with placebo in seven men aged 60-77 years increased fasting concentrations of GH (P < 0.01) and IGF-I (P = 0.003), and basal (P < 0.005) and pulsatile (P < 0.01) GH secretion. Testosterone did not alter the absolute value or rank order of secretagogue efficacy: l-arginine/GHRP-2 (23-fold effect over saline) = GHRH/GHRP-2 (20-fold) > l-arginine/GHRH (7.5-fold). Waveform reconstruction indicated that each stimulus pair accelerated initial GH secretion within a burst (P < 0.01). Regression analysis disclosed a significant inverse association between GH secretory-burst mass and computer tomography-estimated AVF following stimulation with l-arginine/GHRH after testosterone supplementation (R(2) = 0.54, P = 0.015). CONCLUSION: Supraphysiological testosterone concentrations augment GH and IGF-I production in the elderly male without altering maximal somatotrope responses to single and combined GHRH and GHRP-2 drive, thus predicting multifactorial mechanisms of testosterone upregulation.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
A PCT is only required for HORMONAL products. HGHUP♂ is a NATURAL Growth Hormone and Testosterone booster.
Eric explained it well:
A PCT is only necessary if you are adding an exogenous source of hormones which suppresses your natural production. If you are adding substances that maximize your natural production then no PCT is necessary. As a particular example with GH, a male's body naturally has 2-4 pulses a day, each lasting roughly 2-3 hours. Part of what causes a pulse to occur is a low enough somatastatin level. If somatastatin levels are suppressed by a natural compound, then you will end up with more pulses a day as one will kick off as the old pulse dies off, significantly increasing your total GH production for the day without introducing exogenous GH. Its possible to see as many as 6-8 pulses a day that way where your body never quite sees a low GH moment which is part of what causes the lethargy that some people noticed
~Rosie
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WilteredFire
Member
You guys planning to distribute this to any company(s) in the UK? If so, any idea how soon we can expect it in the UK?
TexasLifter89
Well-known member
yup
DreamWeaver
Legend
Wouldn't be much of an HGH enhancement product if you could only run it for short terms. The real benefits, or a lot of them won't really kick in for quite a while. If I didn't feel as though I could run a product like this as a staple I would not bother using it, as the benefits I am looking for are long term.
eatingisfun
Active member
Unless you don't want to over stress the pituitary. I'm not sure what the implications of that would be, maybe someone else can chime in.
DreamWeaver
Legend
You would probably have to do some kind of pulse dosing for instance a lot of products recommend 5 on and 2 off.
TheDarkHalf
Well-known member
I'm going to be taking The One in the future, from what i've been reading this seems like it would be something to run alongside or in PCT with 2nd gear and some IGF2
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
You need to do more research, bud (and there are MANY information threads out there on the product). The ONE is a PH and is NOT a product that you would run "alongside or in PCT with some 2nd GEAR and some IGF-2"! The ONE is a product that REQUIRES a PCT, and that PCT includes 2nd GEAR and IGF-2!
~Rosie
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Tomahawk88
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I think he was saying run HGHup alongside The One or in its PCT with IGF-2 and 2nd Gear.
sanchezgreg18
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hey rosie i think he was saying HGHup would be good to use on cycle or as part of his pct for his cycle of "The one"
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
My bad. Sorry...As it were, it's not recommended to stack HGHup♂ and IGF-2; use either one or the other!
~Rosie
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hardknock
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Seems as if it would definitely have to be something long term, 30 days just isn't or shouldn't cut it. Of course, I am looking at it from a perspective of prescription grade vs otc, yet and still..30 days? I cannot see how it would benefit me, personally. However, it may be very beneficial to others...
machinehead
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L-Dopa, Huperzine-A, GTE/EGCG, L-Carnitine-L-Tartrate, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium, Chlorophytum Borivillanum
WilteredFire
Member
hey Rosie...
I was wondering the other day that would this stack well with another good Testosterone booster, like DTHC for example, or any quality Test Booster for that matter, meaning...Would a test booster synergize well with thiis and lead to higher test levels than just using this?
Thanks
I was wondering the other day that would this stack well with another good Testosterone booster, like DTHC for example, or any quality Test Booster for that matter, meaning...Would a test booster synergize well with thiis and lead to higher test levels than just using this?
Thanks