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Hey Zero, I bet this discussion is irritating your nips.

Actually that stabilized and the poofyness has gone away. Not sure what the hell was behind it, but for about 5-6 days it was weird. Its all good now. Zero issues.

I bet that post took you 10 minutes to write and hurt your brain!

What is your problem and odd fascination with my nipples..your kinda sick and freaking me out...

:icon_lol:
 
Actually that stabilized and the poofyness has gone away. Not sure what the hell was behind it, but for about 5-6 days it was weird. Its all good now. Zero issues.

I bet that post took you 10 minutes to write and hurt your brain!

What is your problem and odd fascination with my nipples..your kinda sick and freaking me out...

:icon_lol:

No fasination. I just like being an a**hole. It must be my liberal side.
 
Ah your liberal side indeed...is that the liberal side that supports men liking other mens nipples? Cuz homosexuality is on the liberal side...

Haha. See I got your right wing kookiness to come out. There are plenty of homos on your side, they are called politicians and priests.
 
Haha. See I got your right wing kookiness to come out. There are plenty of homos on your side, they are called politicians and priests.

It is easy to wear a label of an organization my friend, it is hard to bleed that organization when it comes down to it.

Just like many slap on the tag American but have none of the values that built this nation...


It is funny that I get called left wing, then right wing, and back and forth. It seems people like you love labels, but have no clue of heart. This is the curse of America...labels, factions, etc...

Few are willing to bleed for their beliefs, their passions. VERY few.
 
Ah your liberal side indeed...is that the liberal side that supports men liking other mens nipples? Cuz homosexuality is on the liberal side...

Youre the one who labeled me.

It is easy to wear a label of an organization my friend, it is hard to bleed that organization when it comes down to it.

Just like many slap on the tag American but have none of the values that built this nation...


It is funny that I get called left wing, then right wing, and back and forth. It seems people like you love labels, but have no clue of heart. This is the curse of America...labels, factions, etc...

Few are willing to bleed for their beliefs, their passions. VERY few.

You should see my gun collection, I'm 100% all american.
 
Such as with CEL, who tested and labeled theirs correctly, then the person is the only one responsible. I dont need the governments protection, it is by the ruse of protection that my rights are stripped slowly over hte years. I cant carry a gun and protect myself, because we have "police" for that. A woman cant protect herself with a damn restraining order. WTF does a piece of paper do to a pissed off ex convict who was sent tp prison for beating her when he gets out.... NOTHING, but its ok she is "protected" by that mighty paper given out by the government.

Z, I understand your position on this matter above...this is what I would like for all companies to do also. Test their product and put the actual ingredients on the label but that would not exclude them from the below quote...




A compound not on the "banned list" is still subject to regulations concerning the manufacture, sale, distribution and labeling of drugs, devices and dietary supplements pursuant to the provisions of the FDCA.

None of this should be shocking and/or the cause of so much uproar: these companies, of whomever they may be comprised, knowingly produced, sold and distributed illegal substances fully cognizant of the possible penalties attendant thereto.
 
lou is kind of a douchebag....ever try and take a pic with him at a show? "That will be 20 dowwas pweeasse." Im sorry, that was super rude, but ive seen that guy force some unsuspecting fan to give him money for taking a pic with their own camera. And as far as his health goes mc gun...how the h@ll do you know? Have you seen his bloodwork? sure he looks healthy but so did flex wheeler a few years ago, and don long, and oh never mind....

as far as the otc anabolics go....why is everyone in an uproar? we knew this was going to happen? these companies were selling steroids over the counter....of course it was going to end eventually...

You have no proof LOU is anything but a gentleman every interview l have read about him by other in his industries bodybuilding and movies has said only good things about him so stop making up bs unless you have proof. As far as Flex Wheeler goes do you know anything about his partying lifestyle you fool? you post like a 10 yo by the way.
 
Youre the one who labeled me.



You should see my gun collection, I'm 100% all american.

All American...by todays standards, that I can believe.

Honest question: have you ever been in a physical altercation, the extent of which could be called, "a fight"?

Yes. Also wrestled. Best take down time was 15 seconds...though I have to admit the guy was a putz...that sport is also the reason to this day my left arm has pain. Doing DB front adn side raises=massive pain on the outside of my left arm. Tore muscles up wrestling, no insurance to fix anything.

Also why I desire to get out of debt adn get insurance, I would love to get some MMA down(i took tae kwon do as a kid but hell if that counts now) and do some weekend sparring. Man I think that would help with alot of frustration.

Its why I support physical dealings with people. It gets their attention, paper and court bull crap doesnt.

Yes, with his sister.

My sister would probably whoop your likes...she may be 30, and an English Professor with a Doctors...but she would still lay you out lol.
 
Yes. Also wrestled.

To clarify: you have been in a physical and/or violent confrontation with another willing participant, not in the context of a regulated and officiated contact and/or combat sport? I.e., you have been in a violent "fist-fight".
 
You my friend have clearly picked the wrong side are you sure you are an American? your country used to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. you are turning into the land of the fools and home of the spineless.
this statement is not directed at everyone in the States just the ones who need to wake up from their mindless sleep.

Might want to bring more than an ability to hit REPLY to a battle of wits... Do you know American history enough to be more specific in your attempted insult? Are we any less Americans than the ones from 50-60 years ago? What actions and freedoms are you basing this on? First, explain to me what your interpretation of being an American requires.
 
That is the most intellectual way I have seen it put mullet. I understand, and this is what I think B was standing by to a degree, just spewing too much venom for me not to rise to the issue of a conflict...guess its 22 year old stupid delusional pride though :speechless: I can fully understand why the FDA is pursuing its current path. This time leaving, likely, no loopholes.

In another thread I posted after some thought these last few days I wouldnt mind being natural forever. But its still the issue of freedom and "protection"(see below) that I have issues over.



I may not know the whole worlds worth of information, law, etc. But I dont float well with restrictions. I can deal with hell, debt, pain, and so on. Just dont restrict me. This is the only thing I will fight tooth and nail for. It may not make sense to you, you are twice my age, but that doesnt make you god of the supplement industries ethics. But you can very well classify me as a 22yo whatever you want.

Nor do I have to justify myself to you. You get your way, because the FDA is already on a war footing. "The dye is cast" so to say. No undoing it.

But you think you have the right to deem what is best for other people. The point is I dont need your protection from myself. Such as someone who wants to stack 4 methyls has that choice, be it stupid or not yeah. Or those who cant cycle and miss out on their beer parties. But the point is, if it is correctly labeled.

Such as with CEL, who tested and labeled theirs correctly, then the person is the only one responsible. I dont need the governments protection, it is by the ruse of protection that my rights are stripped slowly over hte years. I cant carry a gun and protect myself, because we have "police" for that. A woman cant protect herself with a damn restraining order. WTF does a piece of paper do to a pissed off ex convict who was sent tp prison for beating her when he gets out.... NOTHING, but its ok she is "protected" by that mighty paper given out by the government.

We have to be at constant war to "protect" our freedom and our land...WTF, bring hte boys home, fix the economy. The terrorists are winning. Morally, physically(look at the real reports from over there), and economically. Hell their weed comes into this nation, to support their war...we support their damn war(well I dont smoke, but Americans as a whole).

Its one big load of BS for the protection of the people...

Protection=control and power= excuse to further tighten the noose around freedoms neck.

Forgive me if I desire what generations of my family sacrificed themselves on this soil, and many a foreign soil for.

Regardless I still respect you, find you intelligent, and a good person on the board. I just dont agree with you on this subject at all. Nor your "non insulting" insults.....which I think would be, hypocritical oxymoronish.



Something any great patriot, or man would say. Sadly we are running low on those in this nation.
I find it insulting and disgusting to place illegal drug dealer liberties and freedoms on parallel with the sort of freedoms and liberties my grandfather and great grandfather risked and sacrifice their lives for. It's a perversion at best. Apples and oranges.

Sorry for crawling up your ass. I simply disagree.
 
All American...by todays standards, that I can believe.

In your jaded eyes.


My sister would probably whoop your likes...she may be 30, and an English Professor with a Doctors...but she would still lay you out lol.

Maybe she can spank me than lay me out.


Sorry for crawling up your ass. I simply disagree.

Trust me he likes it. We know he's not getting any p*ssy.:nana:
 
B5150, I don't think he's trying to say these are somehow more important than what you think of as freedoms. I think what he means is that if we had "true" freedom, the laws would say "do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else." Companies that sell these products now and disclose accurately what's in them would be fine under that, IDS wouldn't. Real drug dealers would be fine, people selling fake stuff wouldn't. It would be the consumer's decision what he sees fit to put in his body.

You mention your grandfather's definition of freedom, if you are 44 then even during his lifetime it was most likely considered your right to put whatever you want in your body. That freedom may not have been one he used-I'm certainly not accusing your grandfather of drug use here-, but it's one we don't have today because some senators wanted to get chinese (opium smokers) and mexicans (marijuana users) out of their cities.

Is the freedom to take whatever drug you want the most pressing issue our freedoms face? Not by a long shot. But some people feel it's a right, myself included. And some of us hate to give up any freedom (even ones like this we've mostly lost already) because we know where that leads- right to the very thing your father and grandfather fought to stop. Is shutting down supp companies going to put us in Nazi Germany? No. No way. But it's a small (miniscule really) step that way. Add thousands of those up over hundreds of years, and we will get there one day.

Anyway sorry about the disrespect earlier but all that anger was just rubbing me the wrong way.
 
i don't know if this has been brought up before, but if there may be dangerous hidden ingredients in the products named by fda, why hasn't there been any news bulletins announcing this possible danger to our health? doesn't the fda or whatever government agency is in charge of this fiasco have a responsibility to inform us of the potential danger. if stimx is dangerous why hasn't the government made an announcement telling us to stop using it? this whole damned situation smells funny.
 
Might want to bring more than an ability to hit REPLY to a battle of wits... Do you know American history enough to be more specific in your attempted insult? Are we any less Americans than the ones from 50-60 years ago? What actions and freedoms are you basing this on? First, explain to me what your interpretation of being an American requires.

l am not an American l am quoting your countries saying. You are losing your freedoms of CHOICE. No one is making anyone take PH's etc and some of you think this is ok to lose that choice. l could make a list of hundreds of things that should be banned before ph's that are far more destructive but l am also far more educated obviously.
 
I feel that many of our freedoms are being encroached upon and soon others will follow so I agree with some of McGun has said. I don't like this situation, I don't like it at all...

Something will have to give sooner or later. We have to start putting people in office that want what the people want and care more about their constituents and facts more than money from industry.
 
FDA should working to correctly label and educate these products not shutting them down so that only illegal steroids are available something their impotent agency cannot do a thing about.
 
To clarify: you have been in a physical and/or violent confrontation with another willing participant, not in the context of a regulated and officiated contact and/or combat sport? I.e., you have been in a violent "fist-fight".

I said yes. Hence the "Yes. Also..." in my response.

I think the problem today is people dont get healthy fights enough. Think old navy/marine brawls.

Rival highschool fights before they brought knifes/guns into it.

It men how to be men. And through loss taught humility IMO. Nothing is wrong with two guys getting pissed and physically settling it. It worked for thousands of years.

What does a fight have to do with this?
 
What does a fight have to do with this?

Well, it has to do with the manner in which you express your thoughts on violence: namely, as a conflation between 1950's greaser nostalgia and turn-of-the-century Civil War films - that is, as completely romanticized, unrealistic and riven between a personal moral-nobility and a necessary savagery. Each time you explicate your vague and emotion-rife theories on revolution, government, liberty violence and the like - a perfect case in-point being the above post - the dialogue seems to be directly lifted from an early-Brando or James Dean film.

The explicit nostalgic and idyllic character to your thoughts on violence is highly indicative of the "thing" that I have been driving at, and the answer to what a "fight" has to do with all of this: that actual, living violence has played no part in constructing your concept on fighting, war, violence death and so on - in simpler terms: you have never actually been in a fight, and take your cue from movies, novels and gross misconceptions on the nobility of violence.

In my experiences, even if abhorrent experiences they may be, there are two (general) types of individuals who romanticize and glorify violence in the manner you do: a) individuals who suffer from a pathological compulsion to commit it, and; b) individuals who have had the luxury of ironic detachment from it, and thus, the luxury of romanticizing it in that fashion. And this romantic bent to your thought, unfortunately for you, bleeds your true nature - that is, as the former type of individual - through all the ridiculous rhetoric; and particularly so for any individual who has had the unfortunate pleasure of suffering a violent past, and thus the ability to properly characterize violence for what it is.

The fact is this, plain as day: had you ever been in the position to truly hurt another individual - and I mean truly hurt them, not in the sense of the "Kings 4:20 does not say that!" scuffles you had in Bible study - you would not possess these gross misconceptions about the nature of violence itself; mainly, a nature that is crude and that very few individuals possess the ability to enact in full. I do not believe for a second you possess the ability to shoot, stab, mane, disfigure or otherwise seriously harm an individual in the context of a "violent revolution" that you incessantly refer to; and nor do I even feel that, if and when the time came, you would desire to do so.

Stop all the incoherent and, possibly more importantly, unconvincing ramblings about violence, death and the like: your insincerity shines through immensely, and makes most people - as evidenced, again, by this thread - wholeheartedly dismiss your thoughts as fabricated. Considering you seem to be enamored by a sense of masculine respect that has never exist, you should know most people respect the "truth in action" far more than they respect an individual who can promulgate ridiculous notions on violence over the internet.

And at this point, your patent response should be something to the effect of: "...[insert irrelevant commentary about "liberal education" and grammar here]...I'm not concerned with convincing anybody...[insert glorified violence comment here]...blah, blah my family I'd kill for...[something about the grace of God]". What you never seem to realize, however, is that you are, quite desperately, trying to convince us all of something - and that something seems to change from day-to-day. Your lack of introspection is, for lack of a better word, tragic: your constant need for verification and recognition betrays the caricature "masculinity" of your thoughts and reveals the inexperience and insecurity that belies your nature. And where the lack of introspection comes into play is that you fail to realize that the majority of us on the site have felt and thought and considered things in precisely the manner you do. The only difference being is that we were thirteen when it was occurring; and hence B5150 harping on your age. The fact is, you allow your age to be used against you because you act like you are a confused thirteen year-old little boy desperately trying to assert his identity amongst "the big boys".

Like most people on this site, I frequently tire of your ridiculous bull**** and rhetoric, and your absolute inability to introspect. Honestly, dude, shut the **** up and find yourself.
 
We should all be fighting to keep our choices and options open even if you don't use these products yourself many of us do and you should support our choices as well. We are all here on common ground my friends that makes us allies.
 
It men how to be men. And through loss taught humility IMO. Nothing is wrong with two guys getting pissed and physically settling it. It worked for thousands of years.

I never paid much attention to you before, but I see why people are annoyed now. Might makes right? Really? This is completely counter to your position the government shouldn't control you. They can. You are not stronger than them. Their way of "settling it" is to throw you in a concrete cell with iron bars and there isn't a thing you can do about it. But if there's nothing wrong with that then go ahead and stop complaining.

Feel free to chastise me for never being in a real fight. I've been attacked by those much weaker than me and did nothing besides throw them off of me and walk away because they simply weren't a threat. Hurting them wouldn't make me more of a man. I've been threatened by those stronger than me and I have drawn a weapon with the intent to kill before, and would have been within my legal right to do so. If being glad I didn't have to kill someone makes me less of a man, then fine. There's nothing glamorous about being in a life or death situation. You don't feel like a hero, you feel SCARED AS HELL because YOU MIGHT DIE.
 
Some folks are getting hung up on the fact that these are not banned (Schedule III) substances.

While that is correct, it is also not the premise for the FDA raid.

You cannot sell ANY drugs, including OTC stuff like Tylenol and Aspirin, without FDA approval. FDA approval means testing, getting an NDC number, labeling reqs, etc. Dietary supplements on the other hand are specifically exempt from FDA control.

However, in order for something to be considered a "dietary supplement" as opposed to a drug:

1. It must be a naturally occurring substance
2. There cannot be any specific medical claims made on the label

Superdrol, Pheraplex, etc. are not naturally occurring substances thus they do not meet the dietary supplement exemption. Period.

Likewise, saying sh*t like "anabolic", "testosterone activator", "hormonal modulator" etc. is making a medical claim on the label and is illegal. Period
.

If I sell a dietary supplement and put Tylenol in it, I am illegally selling a drug as a dietary supplement and can be raided by the FDA and have everything seized. If I sell monkey semen as a dietary substance and put "gives you major boners" on the label, I am illegally making a medical claim and can be raided by the FDA and have everything seized. None of this has anything to do with whether or not a particular substance is banned per a DEA Schedule.

Just trying to explain the grounds for the FDA action. I don't like it either, but this is what it's about.

Bolded parts...Androstenedione and 1,4 are both naturally occuring and an argument can even be made that they are consumed in the diet. That did not stop them from scheduling them.

Fat burner? Illegal functional/medical claim. Stimulant?illegal functional/medical claim. Insulin Mimetic/carb disposal? illegal medical/functional claim.

Basically, if it does ANYTHING you either can't tell anyone or you have to remove the ingredients and put in inert stuff.
 
Bolded parts...Androstenedione and 1,4 are both naturally occuring and an argument can even be made that they are consumed in the diet. That did not stop them from scheduling them.

Is 1,4 scheduled? I was under the impression it wasn't.
 
Is 1,4 scheduled? I was under the impression it wasn't.

I believe it's on the chopping block this time, but you are correct that it survived the purges of 2004.
 
I said yes. Hence the "Yes. Also..." in my response.

I think the problem today is people dont get healthy fights enough. Think old navy/marine brawls.

Rival highschool fights before they brought knifes/guns into it.

It men how to be men. And through loss taught humility IMO. Nothing is wrong with two guys getting pissed and physically settling it. It worked for thousands of years.

What does a fight have to do with this?

No offense but "old" brawls are just that "old". Get in a marine fight now and its a lot different. I've seen guys literally have their faces caved in. Its a shame but its a not simply a fight anymore people take stuff far too seriously.

The world is becoming increasingly more violent unfortunately
 
Cliffs...
Yeah, my job sucks at the moment...

So just out of curiosity, which supplement companies do you think will be most negatively affected by this???
 
I'm setting up a page right now on wikipedia to document this thread ... :icon_lol:

I'd like to nominate mulletsoldiers speech for a sticky. I think everyone on these forums needs to read that lmao
 
Glad people somehow magically look through time traveling telescopes at my life huh. Damn where do I get one?

Considering I have only been saved for a couple years, my life and actions before that were more in line with violence than you assume. I have had my nose broke. I have had my teeth busted from having some old silver damn thing that weighed a good 14 lbs slammed into my face. Have had my back bent so hard from a slam I lost use of my legs for 10 to 15 minutes THAT is scary crap. And returned the favors in kind...My hands and knuckles have quite enough scars from it...

I have been shot at, not that scary you just wonder whether or not your going to feel that searing through you or if you are flipping fast enough.

I have rand from the cops, though I did a good enough job.

Nice to know I just get it all from movies though...Nice to know I havent shed blood and dealt blood. Nice to know you seem to know my life so well! Damn I do need to sit down and look back, all my memories and injuries must all be fake...damn I should see a doc and ask about these magical issues...

Did it ever occur to you that hey, violence is violence, and it has produced the best civilizations. Which nation became great without an act of violence? Yes it is dirty, bloody, and there is never really a right, just magnitude of wrongs.

But some of us, get so used to it, its just natural. What because I am not dead in a morgue from a gangster shooting I have never seen violence?

There is no romanticizing of it. The idea of gliding on that edge is the most intriguing thing to me. What the hell is there offered otherwise? A life in this world where its all about money, greed, entertainment in all its electronic and physical forms. Doing the same thing every one else does, every day, over and over...

Not every one can play sheep. Some of the people tied up in crimes, are so stuck there because they cant live in this bull crap world we have today. Stagnation at its max.

You cant pretend to analyze my posts. Because you dont have a clue. Obviously you are some kind of demi-god with the ability to see into anthers mind, and past.

What is it with people, and their need to suck into the masses, or the some of the ones who stand on the outside but think they can magically analyze everyone.

Many of your issues can be quite disproven come the proper timing...

Now men who barely qualify for the gender are allowed into control, and to make decisions affecting the masses.

Yes might used to be part of acquiring passage into adulthood...not anymore though.


But be happy, your ways are right...Look around America today, at the utopia civilization produced by your way...Or wait, you cant, because the person beside you weighs 400lbs of pure fat and cant lift himself out of his motor scooter. But its ok, he doesnt have to prove himself a man...No need for that today. His twinkie addictions are justified, we can support him, and let our nation go another notch..

I will be honest, my emotions may not work very well, maybe not well at all. I desire to help people, but even in church my nickname is "bloodyscientific" because I carry a rougher ideology and people know that.

One of the reasons I am single since my ex, is because no matter how many dates I go on, I cant get attached to anyone. Maybe I dont think right, maybe my emotions are that screwed. Fact is though, I will practice what I preach be it helping someone in need, or shooting someone if the justifiable situation presents itself.(aka, allows me to do it without going to jail)

There are 7 billion people, a few of them gone wont hurt a damn bit.

Very day this country does fall into an internal conflict/war if it ever does, I will be settling a few old scores from my past. Because the laws change.

What I cant stand though, is trying to be like every one else. I prefer my own path, regardless of your imaginations abilities to try and analyze me.
 
Can someone offer up cliff notes as to what's going on inside this thread?

CLIFF NOTES:

1.Zero V is arguing (or being fussed at depending of who you ask) w/ abt a 3rd of the posters in this thread or was arguing with them at some time or another throughout this thread.
2.Some believe that this ban that will follow the raids is good, others believe it is bad and other options should be considered instead of an all-out ban. (like placing restrictions on the sale of PH/DS)
3. I may have missed one or two things b/c I've been reading insults for the last few pages and might have forgotten a little bit of the substance this thread did have. If I did forget somethings I apologize.
Edit*4. Zero V's church nickname is bloodyscientific.
The thread is more or less lost in the argument(s) at this point. Somebody save it please! lets get back on topic people!

Edit* With any informative and helpful posts that anyone might contribute to this thread I ask that they post their church nicknames as well:wink1:
 
To clarify: you have been in a physical and/or violent confrontation with another willing participant, not in the context of a regulated and officiated contact and/or combat sport? I.e., you have been in a violent "fist-fight".

CLIFF NOTES:

1.Zero V is arguing (or being fussed at depending of who you ask) w/ abt a 3rd of the posters in this thread or was arguing with them at some time or another throughout this thread.
2.Some believe that this ban that will follow the raids is good, others believe it is bad and other options should be considered instead of an all-out ban. (like placing restrictions on the sale of PH/DS)
3. I may have missed one or two things b/c I've been reading insults for the last few pages and might have forgotten a little bit of the substance this thread did have. If I did forget somethings I apologize.
The thread is more or less lost in the argument(s) at this point. Somebody save it please! lets get back on topic people!

thread more or less has turned into some kind of personal vendetta against me :240:

You get used to these kinds of people though. And it wouldnt be the first time...or the last. People who spent too much time in a dictionary and assume they are some kind of "seers" able to tell another persons past, present, and future.
 
My question is why are they raiding bb.com and not the manufacturers?

Point of Sale.

They are both hitting major players and centers of commerce for the products in order to make a bigger statement to the industry, and the manufacturers once each product is tested is held responsible.

I mean individually raid each manufacturer or raid a place that has all the items you need in one sweet little bundle of joy...do the math and think of the $$ and time.

It reaches back.
 
My question is why are they raiding bb.com and not the manufacturers?

Probably because they can cut supply lines more quickly by going after the stores. Think about it if they go after manufacturers one by one then the ones that are not shut down can still sell through the supp stores. But if they raid the stores then all the manufacturers can't sell them. Its like taking care of 300 hundred birds with 1 stone.
 
Point of Sale.

They are both hitting major players and centers of commerce for the products in order to make a bigger statement to the industry, and the manufacturers once each product is tested is held responsible.

I mean individually raid each manufacturer or raid a place that has all the items you need in one sweet little bundle of joy...do the math and think of the $$ and time.

It reaches back.

Probably because they can cut supply lines more quickly by going after the stores. Think about it if they go after manufacturers one by one then the ones that are not shut down can still sell through the supp stores. But if they raid the stores then all the manufacturers can't sell them. Its like taking care of 300 hundred birds with 1 stone.

Gotcha. Will bb.com face any criminal action?
 
Gotcha. Will bb.com face any criminal action?

Likely not as long as they comply and work with the FDA. They are essentially a store and carried what was at that time legal.

They will have to do things such as what has been posted about taking down their steroid section of their forum, and such things like that.
 
Likely not as long as they comply and work with the FDA. They are essentially a store and carried what was at that time legal.

They will have to do things such as what has been posted about taking down their steroid section of their forum, and such things like that.

They had a steroid section on their forum, never saw that.

i don't know about criminal action, but if they had already paid for all those supps confiscated...

Probably pennies to them.
 
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