jakellpet
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It makes perfect sense if you have a mind for business :scratchchin:
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It makes perfect sense if you have a mind for business :scratchchin:
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
and legality......
Grantor
New member
hardknock
Well-known member
Well you have to look at it like this. Big pharma puts millions and years into research on many. perhaps not all, but many meds. Now, we know that there are some meds out that do harm. However, everyone was head over heals about celebrex causing issues, then it was vioxx.
I took both for months when each was at their respective peaks and never had dirty bloodwork nor a snippet of ill effects. Yet, many people had a multitude of issues, including death.
Perhaps I had no pre-existing conditions? Or, maybe I took it correctly? My take is that 60 percent of the time when something goes down the crapper, it is possibly user era not the drug.
Now, before I get flammed, I am well aware that there are many drugs out there that do not provide adequate relief and possibly cause death...
HOWEVER, when comparing big pharma to these small supplement developers, there is none in terms of following proper procedures. Hell, you may find a few of them still mixing in the bath tub.
thebigt
Legend
bradley asgard microdrol is still on bb. buy one get one free. wonder how they missed that.
rckvl7
Member
No it's not.
thebigt
Legend
damn, that was fast.:cussing:
jambarino
Member
im probably gonna get flamed for this but i wont be too sad to see prohormones go for good.for one nobody knows what is really in them.many people beleive what the supplement companies are telling us and trusting patrick arnold,a man who worked for a shady company and invented undetectable steroids for a living,so im really not gonna put 100 percent into anything he has to say.im tired of all the freakin teenagers i see and read about taking them and people taking them and it screwing them up.and you cant always blame the consumer for not knowing what they are taking because to some of them they are taking a "supplement" because thats what they are marketed and sold as.now i am guilty of taking them and admit that some do work very well but i have no clue what long term effects they could have on me.and i know many people choose them because they are legal alternatives to real aas and they dont want to risk anything.but i just dont think its right to sell "steroids" as supplements to anybody that is willing to buy them.prohormones are constantly abused because people think "its just a prohormone it cant be that bad for you."this is just my 2 cents on the subject and i know everyone wont feel the same but hopefully this will send supplement companies back to the drawing boards to come up with some innovative new supplements and not clones of every designer steroid they can make.
B5150
Legend
Not to mention that every single one of the "selected testers" who have logged their use are now on record as using. Not to mention every single individual who has posted their obscene logs and journals is on "permanent record" with the powers that be. It is so ridiculous to believe that the general public believes that they can conduct their use of illegal substance on a public (private) forum for the ENTIRE world to see and not be indicted in their participation in illegal enterprises.
I have known a very prominent DS manufacturer who is no longer with us because of this very same behavior. This internet discussion IS on your permanent record. The next time you think about boasting about how hard core your are think for a minute who is REALLY paying attention to your insignificant anonymous ASS!!! Seriously!!!
Everything you guys have said and done here and on other boards is every ounce of fuel that the FDA and DEA have to persecute and prosecute the very same that you blatantly boast about and support here in your ignorance of anonymity.
The harvest is ready for reaping!!!
johnyq
Active member
I believe in regulating claims, and truth in labeling, but after that it is basically up the consumer. I truly do believe that half of the processed food items available are worse than many of these banned supplements.
That said, I wont cry about the really toxic prosteroids, superdrol, pp, m1t, etc. I don't agree with them being banned, but to be honest, we wouldn't need them if the choice at the very top was correct (unban true steroids). at the very least, make it legal for doctors to prescribe them for aesthetic reasons. We can mutilate people with surgery, and steroids for sex changes, but not for muscle building. Its insanity.
culture ruled by sports authorities. SAD.
That said, I wont cry about the really toxic prosteroids, superdrol, pp, m1t, etc. I don't agree with them being banned, but to be honest, we wouldn't need them if the choice at the very top was correct (unban true steroids). at the very least, make it legal for doctors to prescribe them for aesthetic reasons. We can mutilate people with surgery, and steroids for sex changes, but not for muscle building. Its insanity.
culture ruled by sports authorities. SAD.
l0ck
New member
its quite intense to think about the power of information stored on hard drives, especially how, literally arranging text or bytes of electronic information in a particular sequence can land you in all sorts of real, non-electronic, trouble.. even help influence real world events, like this one..
the power of the net has really began to manifest itself in reality, and to think about 20 years ago how different things were, now to imagine the next 20 years is.. also equally as intense to think about.. good luck ds scene, i got a bad feeling about this one
the power of the net has really began to manifest itself in reality, and to think about 20 years ago how different things were, now to imagine the next 20 years is.. also equally as intense to think about.. good luck ds scene, i got a bad feeling about this one
Knowbull
Well-known member
IMO, any one who uses ANY supplement should be thinking in a critical manner to begin with. This discussion has gone around before and this may not be the last time it does again. There are gaps in our knowledge, what we dont know is where they are or how big they are, if we did there wouldnt be any gaps.
dg806
Enologist/Brewmaster/Damn good guy
100% agree!
MC Gun
Banned
Yeah great so we should go the illegal route and have to buy 10ml vials of something we really have no idea about of of the same people selling Meth and Herion yeah great post buddy.
This is my own body and companies are putting much worse poisons in processed foods that are'nt regulated. l have not seen one person hurt or in hospital from any of these substances and if you think there are long term effects go look at the health system they sell pure lard in nearly every fast food business they should be closing them down. lf you need information on what lard and other fats do to the overall health system and your body google it. These products are a mild help with training nothing else, not cigarettes, not heroin, not cocaine or any other of the thousand drugs that damage you out there PH's are no miracle you be as big as Ronnie Coleman stuff. lf you dont like what this stuff does dont use it and go to some other forum like knitting or something you have more in common with . go lobby to get cigarettes banned or something that is a real killer you annoying tosser.
This is my own body and companies are putting much worse poisons in processed foods that are'nt regulated. l have not seen one person hurt or in hospital from any of these substances and if you think there are long term effects go look at the health system they sell pure lard in nearly every fast food business they should be closing them down. lf you need information on what lard and other fats do to the overall health system and your body google it. These products are a mild help with training nothing else, not cigarettes, not heroin, not cocaine or any other of the thousand drugs that damage you out there PH's are no miracle you be as big as Ronnie Coleman stuff. lf you dont like what this stuff does dont use it and go to some other forum like knitting or something you have more in common with . go lobby to get cigarettes banned or something that is a real killer you annoying tosser.
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westernsig
New member
just a food for thought.. methamphetamine(speed, crank, meth, ect) was legal during world war II, and actually given to US soldiers during battle for alertness and suppression of appetite, a pure money scandal for our government. Then the Japanese government caught on and began giving it to factory workers to increase production yet decrease cost... I will say pharmaceutically wise we have made leaps and bounds since then but it goes to show that first the government doesn't know crap, and second we don't know the long term effects of what we do to our bodies.... for all i am concerned we have prescription drugs that have worse effects on our bodies when compared to the drugs that our government term illegal... So no matter what you take you should have a good awareness of how it affects your body... being lethargy, increase urination, epistaxis, constipation, back pumps, ect.... as long as you understand the effects and can combat it that shows to me that the substance is harsh but not extremely bad and can be controled.... by contrast for instance take alcohol... you know the effects the next day(dehydration, acidosis, hyperthermia, ect) ie hangover but the government places very light restrictions on ethyl alcohol.... and this post is at 3 am so i am possibly influenced by the former drug and please flame me for my post if i deserve it... but over all.. the government doesn't know as much as they think they do and neither do we............ peace out,, be strong... and its better to have an overkill pct than a light one
thegodfather
Well-known member
It's all about Government regulation and absolute authority over everything. Why are Opiates illegal on the street, yet I've been taking prescription narcotic pain killers for almost three weeks now legally?? Granted, I'm thankful its available to those who really need it but it doesnt make much sense really. Pretty much same thing with steroids. There will be some rooms with stockpiles of this stuff for future "research and experimentation" and probably wind up on the pharma market years from now. WTF. I become more and more anti-government/system every day due to many different things.
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
for the record, I keep my boasting to a minimum for just this reason.
for the hard of reading, B5150 is stating to STFU and/or use code.
On a positive note, I find it hard for the end user to be held liable when manufacturers are lying about ingredient profiles.
and yes, its still about the money..............not our safety!
hardknock
Well-known member
That is a very good thought. I also agree to a point. HOWEVER, you have to remember one tiny little piece to complete the puzzle. You have to trust the company developing the drug.
Let us not forget that superdrol was said to be side effect free...phera was said to be completely dry, and JW was said to be 100 percent all natural...even after pages of write ups and research and logs, in the end it was all a lie...so, you tell me, who do you trust?
hardknock
Well-known member
One thing also, big pharma and small DS developers have issues with their developments. So it is a two way street.
Drugs were given to soldiers in the past, meth, but once it was found to be detrimental, the usage was ceased.
You cannot possibly say that drugs developed with millions and years of research behind them are worse than some of the garage baked prohormones and clones with the good ol brah logs?
To say they have equal faults is adequate but to suggest that bath tub mixing is safer than big pharma methods?
All I have to type is ALRI, nuff said.
Drugs were given to soldiers in the past, meth, but once it was found to be detrimental, the usage was ceased.
You cannot possibly say that drugs developed with millions and years of research behind them are worse than some of the garage baked prohormones and clones with the good ol brah logs?
To say they have equal faults is adequate but to suggest that bath tub mixing is safer than big pharma methods?
All I have to type is ALRI, nuff said.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Oh, you must be referring to threads like this: Invalid Link Removed
What an idiotic ****ing thread. In that thread, we have people shouting from a rooftop, "Look how much illegal stuff I have!". It blew my mind.
hardknock
Well-known member
The same drug that is around now which is the actual drugs that are tren, phera, SD, have been around already...big pharma doesn't need to go in reverse 30 yrs to use something which we have already ran past. These drugs are clones, for the most part. They are not original by any means. So you do not have to worry about the nomenclature for SD showing up in big pharma's collection of prescription meds anytime in our life time...
ax1
Legend
why isnt the FDA raiding McDonalds for using trans fat in their fries and sugar in their soda?
people are so freaking brainwashed, i got people telling me im harming myself for taking something like activate xtreme when they go out to the bars and drink beer every weekend.
why isnt the FDA raiding all the doctors offices everywhere, a country where psychotherapy is going down and antidepressant use is going up as much as doubling every decade, and its so so extreme that the secret us military weapon is Zoloft.
having a bad day? go to the doctor he will give you a fix? no need to try to solve your problems just get a job so you can afford to chemically alter your brain for life.
the truth is that if the supplement industry had a little more money than the pharmaceutical companies we could afford to lobby just enough more to get the FDA to leave us alone.
we all know the pharmaceutical companies would love and have lobbied to ban ALL supplements, including all natural cures, herbs, vitamins, everything. if we can just put everybody on drugs medication when we get sick that would be a big boost to their industry.
weed anyone for your cancer?
people are so freaking brainwashed, i got people telling me im harming myself for taking something like activate xtreme when they go out to the bars and drink beer every weekend.
why isnt the FDA raiding all the doctors offices everywhere, a country where psychotherapy is going down and antidepressant use is going up as much as doubling every decade, and its so so extreme that the secret us military weapon is Zoloft.
having a bad day? go to the doctor he will give you a fix? no need to try to solve your problems just get a job so you can afford to chemically alter your brain for life.
the truth is that if the supplement industry had a little more money than the pharmaceutical companies we could afford to lobby just enough more to get the FDA to leave us alone.
we all know the pharmaceutical companies would love and have lobbied to ban ALL supplements, including all natural cures, herbs, vitamins, everything. if we can just put everybody on drugs medication when we get sick that would be a big boost to their industry.
weed anyone for your cancer?
sethroberts
Active member
How true. Most people have no idea about how clueless most company owners are. Some of them have no knowledge whatsoever of biology, basic chemisty, physiology etc. A few of them are smart enough to ask someone who knows (like me) but most of them just wing it -- and badly too i might add.
n8te
Well-known member
There are a lot of valid points in here but also some that are a little ridiculous. C'mon guys we all knew it was just a matter of time. But if some law enforcement agent steps foot on my front door I'll tell him to stick his thumb up his ass and have a nice day. He ain't finding anything :wink1:
**** the FDA. just bc Uncle Sam cant make money from it he wants to make it illegal (in regards to AAS). thats the fact plain and simple.
**** the FDA. just bc Uncle Sam cant make money from it he wants to make it illegal (in regards to AAS). thats the fact plain and simple.
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ax1
Legend
they are making money off of it, they are making money getting rid of it. lobby lobby lobby, its money that creates laws and regulations. more money more power.
dont believe me? why are ciggarettes legal? the cause of 450,000 usa deaths a year, are legal because of lobby lobby and lobby, and lets not forget about the taxes. the government doesnt care about our health and vitality, they wouldnt dare leave the drug business and take cigarettes off of the market. they would not only lose tax dollars but campaign contributions. we are talking billions all together.
lets not forget the biggest heroin dealers in the world are the pharmaceutical companies, not the mafia.
waynaferd
Well-known member
thebigt
Legend
ive watched a few shows about 911. it seems they had all the evidence they could have ever needed to prevent this tragedy, their excuse was they didn't have the manpower to sort through literally 'tons' of useless crap. if they now have the manpower to sort through all the bullshiit on forums like this i would be very surprised. don't give our government too much credit, they have been fighting a war on drugs for over 40 years and i would be willing to bet that 95% of people on this forum know a source for pot/coke if they wanted it. our government is run by dimwits.
wellbilt
New member
the war on drugs is a big joke
I watched.a show on discovery Chanel about the war on drugs they talked to retired CIA people who said they were allowing huge amounts of coke to be smuggled into the us so that the so. Called war could continue.there's a huge bugif for this illusive war that if if Did end alot of people would bs without jobs
I recommend watching this show for. Great pre workout boost it will get ya going
I Believe they say that afganistan supplies something like 90% of the heroin in the usA we have an army in afgan and watch them like hawks how could if be that there's still. a huge supply of heroin coming from afganistan
sorry for the rant this crap burns me up now I think i will go throw down a bottle of johnny and smoke a few cigs and roll the dice of life joking about fhe ciggs
I watched.a show on discovery Chanel about the war on drugs they talked to retired CIA people who said they were allowing huge amounts of coke to be smuggled into the us so that the so. Called war could continue.there's a huge bugif for this illusive war that if if Did end alot of people would bs without jobs
I recommend watching this show for. Great pre workout boost it will get ya going
I Believe they say that afganistan supplies something like 90% of the heroin in the usA we have an army in afgan and watch them like hawks how could if be that there's still. a huge supply of heroin coming from afganistan
sorry for the rant this crap burns me up now I think i will go throw down a bottle of johnny and smoke a few cigs and roll the dice of life joking about fhe ciggs
thegodfather
Well-known member
Very good point !!
thedawg3545
New member
i have a question, where am i supposed to get all my 'stuff' now, i got spawn last year and planning on using it in the next few months, but where am i supposed to get my PCT now?
texastweeter
Active member
LOLZ Mooch SAID EPIC!!!
RTD1
New member
I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, it's wrong for this sh*t to be sold OTC at the local vitamin store as if it were creatine or something. Teenagers taking a bottle of superdrol and saying holy sh*t this stuff really works, and then taking bottle after bottle with no break as if it were multivitamins or something and getting sick. That should not be tolerated.
On the other hand, if an adult male wants to use steroids, and is willing to submit to periodic blood tests and the like under supervision he should be allowed to. No different than a woman getting breast implants, liposuction, doctors presribing mood enhancing drugs, etc.
It should be legal but controlled. What we have now is the worst of all possible worlds.
On one hand, it's wrong for this sh*t to be sold OTC at the local vitamin store as if it were creatine or something. Teenagers taking a bottle of superdrol and saying holy sh*t this stuff really works, and then taking bottle after bottle with no break as if it were multivitamins or something and getting sick. That should not be tolerated.
On the other hand, if an adult male wants to use steroids, and is willing to submit to periodic blood tests and the like under supervision he should be allowed to. No different than a woman getting breast implants, liposuction, doctors presribing mood enhancing drugs, etc.
It should be legal but controlled. What we have now is the worst of all possible worlds.
Iron Lungz
Banned
All the specualtion about Mass Tabs and the uber bullsh*t aditive, Methyl-Sten turned out to be a hefty dose (30mg) of pure Superdrol. Hahahahaa!
Liftingstud
Well-known member
I totally agree... AAS should be a option for someone 21+ You should be able to go to an "anabolic dr." Who would run bloodwork, help u design a cycle to fit ur needs, supply the gear and PCT, do bloodwork at the end and be able follow u on a periodic basis. This would elimate many of the dangers assoc with steroids. Yes there are always risks but atleast it could be regulated.
People have made the point about girls modulating there hormones so they can get laid but decrease the chance of having a baby... Or the whole tranny issue... But for a guy with low test it's a major major issue about getting HRT with a bunch if hoops.
Research has already showen that decreases in test account for many of the problems assoc with aging.
It boils down to a few issues... Mostly $$$$ and government control. But when u have 16 and 18 ur olds buying this stuff, not using pct it ruins it for the rest if us.
Just the other day I was vitamin shop and a kid 16yo or younger was asking about something to help him get bigger... Kid must have been 6' 155lbs.... The lady told him to get AMS 1ad and 4ad. Now don't get me wrong they are not the most potent ph but come on!!! He just needs some protein and a better diet. I had to totally jump in and educate them both, that those were phs and he def should not be tsing it. The lady seemed pissed at me cause I ruined her sale. WTF!!!
This really isn't a new ban. Most of this stuff was made illegal a while ago... It's just the government has decided to crack down now.
n8te
Well-known member
yup.
1. Plenty of people hurt themselves by legal means all the time. These products are still technically legal for now. Too much of anything can be bad. You can't fix stupid unfortunately and no matter what the FDA does people will always find a way to do stupid things with legal products. This whole idea of "protecting us from ourselves" is really starting to piss me off.
2. True, completely true.
1. These are only online postings and in court will be viewed as such without actual concrete evidence that someone is doing wrong(video proof etc.) They don't have much of a leg to stand on. People get on the internet all the time and say things that aren't true/ pretend to be people they are not. Someone could very well be on here and say they have this compound and that and in real life they weigh 150lbs and are just trying to fit in or be a badass. This can be viewed as the exact same. Hell, there are underground websites where people w/o AIDS try to hook up with people that have AIDS b/c they get some kind of rush from ****ing them. (go figure) Maybe the government should lock those people up and leave this subject alone.
2. A little too dramatic?
IMHO:
There are a lot of valid points in here but also some that are a little ridiculous. C'mon guys we all knew it was just a matter of time. But if some law enforcement agent steps foot on my front door I'll tell him to stick his thumb up his ass and have a nice day. He ain't finding anything and I haven't broken any laws.
I believe they should be prohibited for minors plain and simple. They should be regulated to that extent and that extent only.
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
really.....nice.
jambarino
Member
I assume you were calling me out but i cant tell because you didnt quote me so maybe half stepping and being an e-thug is what your about.i stated an opinion and not once did i say that fast food is good for you and we should all buy AAS from shady drug dealers and im not lobbying for them to get banned.and these thing are not mild.anything that suppreses natural testosterone enough to cause atrophy,libido issues,blood pressure issues,can cause gyno and screw ur lipid levels up is not what i consider mild.this is not to say they are inneffective as I CLEARLY said ive taken them before with good results and alot of people know how to use and take them properly and those people will suffer for the ban if there ever is one.
Im just saying i could care less to see them go.most supplements(not all) are a joke and marketed by steroid absuing bodybuilders and prohormones arent any different especially being named after real steroids which was a genius of an idea.no wonder they are under the microscope.i have no problem with people taking and putting in their bodies whatever they want to put in them.i do not judge people for that.
All these companies are out for is money and nothing else.is it as bad as fast food,cigarretes,or alcohol?probably not and not once did i compare them to prohormones.and people have been hospitalized off prohormone and other supplement use.now was it the supplements fault or the person taking them i cant say.probably both.now if you will excuse me i have a knitting forum to get back to :nana:
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
My grammar and vocabulary need tons of work without a doubt.
But for the love of god, use the ENTER and TAB key every now and then.
:nana:
^^^^^^^^^^^
both of you.
please.
But for the love of god, use the ENTER and TAB key every now and then.
:nana:
^^^^^^^^^^^
both of you.
please.
hardknock
Well-known member
Brother, I cannot answer all of those questions but I can answer the first one.
Those companies do not hide the fact that they have harmful chemicals/substances in their food. Tobacco companies post that their products are "harmful", etc. Government officials ask that they do this, so they do abide and they get to fly. They also pay a hell of an amount in taxes.
Alcohol is a giving that it is harmful in many ways and it is accepted that it is 100% harmful when consumed in foolish amounts by foolish people.
No one can argue that if you drink and drive that you basically are signing your death warrant, OR WORSE CASE, someone else. You may get away with it for some time but sooner or later, like sleeping around, sh!t's going to catch up to you....
Rarely will you see on a bottle of Phera plex that this product causes high blood pressure, liver stress, and possible gyno (just to name a few). I have NEVER seen on a bottle that this may cause gyno. It is just accepted in the "circle" that these products can cause these issues. We talk about it on the boards, yet, this is within the "circle". This is not enough to be above the gray.
Also, as stated, how can we ask the FDA to trust us to regulate ourselves when we have Tom and Jerry running around mislabeling products? Then we have people running around posting logs saying that EVERYTHING WENT FINE with my run but, I didn't get before or after blood work...???
Once again, I am not a supporter of the government regulating what we put into our bodies; however, I would love for people to take their "creations" a bit more cautiously and be upfront and admit when they have wronged you and I....ummmmmhmmmmmm JW, we loved it!!!!!!
hardknock
Well-known member
Yes, but how much man power does it take to log on to a site and find a thread such as the one which says ...."TAKE A LOOK AT MY STASH"
And then, on top of that, have several people in the thread talking about where they went (offline) to get the products? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this one out. And, you think that government officials do not have people that YOU MAY converse with on a daily basis (online) working for them?
Some of the best government informants have been criminals...don't underestimate big brother at all. As soon as you do that, you are done.
hardknock
Well-known member
And, this^^^^
Need we say more? If people would read sentences like this, you would understand why we are on the verge of being taken for some of our rights.
MC Gun
Banned
Yes thanks for trying to lower everyones IQ for even replying to your stupidity we are here to get educated and do things the right way. The last thing we want is to be told how our supplements will be taken off the shelf because you think it is only PH's now wait till you cannot buy even basic supplements if you cant see that you should not be posting stupid comments like how happy you will be when they are gone. l will be happy when they stop drilling in Antartica and stop polluting my world l live in but l wont be happy when l cant buy supplements from the US because at the moment you are the best and cheapest place to get them from and FDA will stop them all if they get their bill passed go here to stop it if you have any brains.
PS the FDA are Nazi's
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hardknock
Well-known member
I do see your point approach but tracing an IP and, then confiscating the web store's database and seeing that this person who posted this thread saying "look here, I h ave XXX" and matching it to the credit card receipts is not really that hard to do...people go to jail many times over for these small instances that we consider to be invisible.