The Asteroid Product X Files ... I want to believe

DreamWeaver said:
Yah can imagine, would have to be a bit conservative with the weight at first.

I did this heavy leg press dead combo a while back and the plan was 7 sets of 7 supersetted. I used about the normal weight I would have for 7 reps on leg press maybe a little more conservative on the deads... well that was a fuggin mistake. I was on the mat after each set gasping and only made 5 sets. I made the adjustment the next week and was able to eventually supercede my original numbers. You just can't go full capacity on both lifts when your supersetting heavier lifts.
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Well, it depends on the superset. In the case of LP/DL, because both lifts incorporate so much leg activation, one at least is going to have to be at a reduced intensity. But I find if I use a lower body pull like a dl with an upper body push like a push press, there is less overlap (though there is still some) and I can handle more weight.

However, as you say, rep range is also a huge factor.
 
Resolve said:
Well, it depends on the superset. In the case of LP/DL, because both lifts incorporate so much leg activation, one at least is going to have to be at a reduced intensity. But I find if I use a lower body pull like a dl with an upper body push like a push press, there is less overlap (though there is still some) and I can handle more weight.

However, as you say, rep range is also a huge factor.
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Good point...
 
Day 12

Bench 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4
not good news here, I did not even get the same weight for 10 reps, completely imploded and was down 20 lbs at the end and still missing reps. My shoulder was just worn out, along with my left elbow. Second time in 5 days for this routine and I should have known better and backed off sooner and made it a lighter workout. There is just too much shoulder in this brutal fuggin routine for me right now. I will regroup .. get 2 days off lifting and don't do this routine for another 6 days. I'll take care of things.

I was really fuggin pissed about the bench so I went up another 10 lbs on O bar curls... this is up 20 lbs in less than 2 weeks of a very brutal workout. Yep 3X10, 3X8-6-4 and never missed a rep. There were some tough ones I'll admit but I had so much rage going I could not be denied. That's what I love about lifting, lose it on one exercise take it out on another. I will not be denied my pleasure.

Finished with 2 very sold lateral raise sets 2X6-12-25 got both 25's for the first time.

I was good and toasted and pretty damn proud of myself for getting through this ordeal. Five straight days of mayhem with 3 hours of cardio thrown in. I was on the brink many times and I kept on pushing.

I have decided (with Snag's advice) to pick up some extend and l-glutamine. I will be using 4 scoops DominATP pre 2 scoops Xtend during and 2 after. 10 grams of l-glutamine after and another 10 at bedtime when I am not traing at night, that includes off days.

Liked what I saw in the mirror this morning leaner bigger, what more could I ask for. This is recomp heaven. Looking forward to only cardio today and tommorow pfft I con't even consider that work anymore.

Went to the chiro this morning had a adjustment. I have Massage on monday... there will be some pain but I'll be better for it.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I have decided (with Snag's advice) to pick up some extend and l-glutamine. I will be using 4 scoops DominATP pre 2 scoops Xtend during and 2 after. 10 grams of l-glutamine after and another 10 at bedtime when I am not traing at night, that includes off days.
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This is very similar to what I run. Great stuff!
 
It varies from 35 45 20 to around 50 25 25 depending on what kind of carb day it is... that's P C F....This may vary slightly cuz from time to time if get very hungry I will slide my carbs up but usually add protein also. It does not happen on a daily basis, maybe once a week. I believe suppressing hunger can be a bad thing when trying to lose fat.
 
DreamWeaver said:
That's what I love about lifting, lose it on one exercise take it out on another. I will not be denied my pleasure.

I was good and toasted and pretty damn proud of myself for getting through this ordeal. Five straight days of mayhem with 3 hours of cardio thrown in. I was on the brink many times and I kept on pushing.
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nice! :D
way to grind thru man, that's the ticket. hope the shoulder issue gets resolved for sure.
 
snagency said:
nice! :D
way to grind thru man, that's the ticket. hope the shoulder issue gets resolved for sure.
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Yah the shoulder is just going to take more time, I did not reinjure it but it is still my weakest point. Don't think I'll be benching heavy any time soon but I'll find a way to get it done. It's strong enough now that I just have to get creative.
 
DreamWeaver said:
It varies from 35 45 20 to around 50 25 25 depending on what kind of carb day it is... that's P C F....This may vary slightly cuz from time to time if get very hungry I will slide my carbs up but usually add protein also. It does not happen on a daily basis, maybe once a week. I believe suppressing hunger can be a bad thing when trying to lose fat.
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Ok, thanks!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Actually my math is off 4 scoops of DominAtp = about 23 grams and 2 scoops of Xtend = 23 grams so that's 46 grams, that should be enough.
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damn, what kind of math they teach up there in Quebec brah?? :D
2 scoops Xtend = 7g BCAA.

since I haven't seen the DominATP yet myself (:(), I was rolling w/ 2 scoops PW + 6 scoops Xtend (35g BCAA), but I had to up it to 7-8 scoops Xtend with the size increase I had going on.. :wave2:
 
snagency said:
damn, what kind of math they teach up there in Quebec brah?? :D
2 scoops Xtend = 7g BCAA.

since I haven't seen the DominATP yet myself (:(), I was rolling w/ 2 scoops PW + 6 scoops Xtend (35g BCAA), but I had to up it to 7-8 scoops Xtend with the size increase I had going on.. :wave2:
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I was under the assumption that 1 scoop of xtend = 11.5 grams the supp I bought was not Xtend it is nutrabolics. It has BCAA's and EAA's only and the scoop is 11.5 grams. I assumed Xtend was the same. DominATP only contains 5 grams for 3 scoops so I iwll need around 40 from the other supp, so I was right the first time 4 scoops of each.
 
Day 13

Just a HITT cardio session

Libido is out of control, it's always very high but this is more than that.
 
yeah, even Xtend has other things in it (citrulline malate, glutamine) that you need to factor. leucine/valine/isoleucine content of Xtend totals 3.5g per scoop. not familiar with the nutrabolics product, but yes certainly count EAA's & BCAA's together.
 
snagency said:
yeah, even Xtend has other things in it (citrulline malate, glutamine) that you need to factor. leucine/valine/isoleucine content of Xtend totals 3.5g per scoop. not familiar with the nutrabolics product, but yes certainly count EAA's & BCAA's together.
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I got a deal on the nutrabolics stuff so that will be the bulk of of BCAA/EAA's I may pick up some Xtend as well though, I could do 3 scoops of the Nutrabolics and 2 of Xtend.
 
DreamWeaver said:
It varies from 35 45 20 to around 50 25 25 depending on what kind of carb day it is... that's P C F....This may vary slightly cuz from time to time if get very hungry I will slide my carbs up but usually add protein also. It does not happen on a daily basis, maybe once a week. I believe suppressing hunger can be a bad thing when trying to lose fat.
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I agree wholeheartedly :D

DreamWeaver said:
Yah the shoulder is just going to take more time, I did not reinjure it but it is still my weakest point. Don't think I'll be benching heavy any time soon but I'll find a way to get it done. It's strong enough now that I just have to get creative.
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Shoulders are my weakest point too, left one actually, it limits my bench and dips. Something to work on, life would be boring if everything was perfect :)
 
dragonfly said:
Shoulders are my weakest point too, left one actually, it limits my bench and dips. Something to work on, life would be boring if everything was perfect :)
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Your right, I just have to put my ego aside and lift what I can... darn thing keeps on cropping up... I think there is some kind of symbiotic relationship between testostorone and ego...
 
DreamWeaver said:
I think there is some kind of symbiotic relationship between testostorone and ego...
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I am pretty sure it encompasses the relationship between hitting a PR and having the urge to flip a car and/or equalize the guy with the frosted tips and tank-top in the gym.....
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I am pretty sure it encompasses the relationship between hitting a PR and having the urge to flip a car and/or equalize the guy with the frosted tips and tank-top in the gym.....
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Good examples... I think I made my point :28:
 
Day 14
HITT cardio good session, then went for a long walk.

Day 15
Something just kicked in....
Front squats 4 X 10 up 10 lbs much better technique .. great depth, just gotta remember to keep my stance nice and wide. The last set was hard core ... finished with the feeling of triumph.

Leg press calves up 20 lbs 4 x 10

Pec deck 2X6-12-25 had to go up 20 lbs on the second set wow feeling very strong and really good range of motion.

Hammer curls 2X6-12-25 up 5 lbs a side accross the board, tremendous pump. Felt good all the way through the whole routine

Finshed with hard core ab training... cruised right through.

I really like the addition of BCAA"s kept me feeling fresh and strong all the way,
Did 3 scoops DominATP pre
2 scoops of BCAA/EAA's = 23 grams with 1 scoop of Xtend during
1 scoop of BCAA/EAA's = 11.5 grams with 1 scoop of Xtend Post

I am hoping that the extra strength was the Product X kicking in time will tell. I am quite a bit leaner looking, I am expecting a drop in weight at tommorows weigh in but who knows when I am on these supps fat loss often does not men weight loss.
 
Day 16
Reverse grip pulldowns 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4 got all the reps but was very difficult near the end ... was really sucking wind .. the air in the gym was thick as pea soup.

Decline close grip bench 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4 hit failure on this about 3 times the sets of 10 went ok but the first drop on the 8-6-4 I failed on all 3 sets. There were some real close calls too, was one heck of a fight. My arms are still aching an hour later. My son's down visiting so he came to help spot us and when he saw us going at it ... all he could say was wholy ****e!! it's pretty intense these sets and they're kickin the crap outa me.

Forgot to weigh in will try and do so tommorow. I look like I lost weight though.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Day 16
Reverse grip pulldowns 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4 got all the reps but was very difficult near the end ... was really sucking wind .. the air in the gym was thick as pea soup.

Decline close grip bench 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4 hit failure on this about 3 times the sets of 10 went ok but the first drop on the 8-6-4 I failed on all 3 sets. There were some real close calls too, was one heck of a fight. My arms are still aching an hour later. My son's down visiting so he came to help spot us and when he saw us going at it ... all he could say was wholy ****e!! it's pretty intense these sets and they're kickin the crap outa me.

Forgot to weigh in will try and do so tommorow. I look like I lost weight though.
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Do you do decline close grip to maximize the triceps taxation? Close grips is obviously a traditional tri hitting lift, but do you feel that the decline augments the lift?
 
Resolve said:
From what I understand, decline incorporates all three heads of the triceps to a greater degree than flat bench.
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I definitely feel this way. I like Decline SCs for precisely this reason as well.

Another multi-head tricep exercise is lat-station, lat-bar press-downs. You stand in front of the lat station with legs touching the seat, slightly bent at the hips, and grasp the bar with elbows pointed upward and away from your face, at or near the clavicle, like the finishing position of an upright row. (In terms of positioning, and not position at the body.) Pressing down you extend the elbow to near-full flexion, and hold. I find bending at the hips removes the deltoids from the equation.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I definitely feel this way. I like Decline SCs for precisely this reason as well.

Another multi-head tricep exercise is lat-station, lat-bar press-downs. You stand in front of the lat station with legs touching the seat, slightly bent at the hips, and grasp the bar with elbows pointed upward and away from your face, at or near the clavicle, like the finishing position of an upright row. (In terms of positioning, and not position at the body.) Pressing down you extend the elbow to near-full flexion, and hold. I find bending at the hips removes the deltoids from the equation.
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Hmm...Definitely trying these this week! Sounds almost like a Girdonda Dip with a cable stack.
 
Resolve said:
Hmm...Definitely trying these this week! Sounds almost like a Girdonda Dip with a cable stack.
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Certainly the hand and elbow position is the same, in terms of outward/upward positioning. Actually, you could think of the lift as a whole as flexing out of the bottom of a Gironda Dip, except the bar moves as opposed to yourself. As I said, I find the bend in the hip is important, as to eliminate deltoid action.

To warn you, the cable hits you in the face and you look awkward, as you are bent slightly. I just alternate holding it on either side.

Ripping my calf forced me to concoct some strange exercises.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Do you do decline close grip to maximize the triceps taxation? Close grips is obviously a traditional tri hitting lift, but do you feel that the decline augments the lift?
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Yes I do feel that it does but it also puts a lot of preasure on the outer delts for some reason. Also you can go a little heavier declined.
 
Quite the informational barrage of responses.

Mullet is going to be the new Gironda in time, with as many ideas and out of the box strategies he has.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Quite the informational barrage of responses.

Mullet is going to be the new Gironda in time, with as many ideas and out of the box strategies he has.
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Between Fasted Training and the odd exercises I use, I definitely get some looks.

I use a lot of super and giant sets as well. My favorite is for legs:

BB Lunges
Hammer Strength Ham., curl
Hammer Strength Quad Extension
GHRs

No break in-between the sets, with a 40 second break on the last exercise. 3 sets total, of 15 reps each exercise.
 
Resolve said:
You know, I have yet to find a decent piece of equipment on which to perform GHRs - Just can't find anything with the right proportions to lock my legs into. :sad:
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I use those decline abdominal benches, the ones with the foot holds at the top. I simply put my feet in and get a friend to hold them, and extend that way.

Another method is to simply use the floor, and hold onto a 25lb weight to compensate for the lack of ROM.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yes I do feel that it does but it also puts a lot of preasure on the outer delts for some reason. Also you can go a little heavier declined.
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I don't know for sure that it hits the heads any different at this angle so much as isolating the triceps more and uses anterior delts less. When doing regular Flat close grip bench press the natural range of motion is to come from the bottom of the ribcage or chest area and make swooping diagonal line going up and back to just above the chin. This really activates the anterior delts and takes some of the focus off of the triceps. When doing the decline close grip bench is more similiar to a push down as Mullet said. The range of motion is different in the fact that your are not moving the weight towards the head and therefore not taxing the anterior deltoid as much as the triceps. It is easier to isolate the triceps more and the elbow being under the weight puts it at a more advantagious position to move a much heaver weight than say a tricep extension, and the range of motion is not quite as far as a flat bench allowing you to lift heavier than on the flat close grip bench press. I find to work the 3 heads the best on a mass exercise for me is actually lockouts on overhead press. The over head motion really activates the 3rd head of the tricep to create that sweep along the bottom of the arm and you can push up a good amount of weight being only the top portion of the lift. I actually alternate between these two exercises pretty regularly to get all of the heads beaten into submission. Loving the log so far DW!
 
MrKleen73 said:
I don't know for sure that it hits the heads any different at this angle so much as isolating the triceps more and uses anterior delts less. When doing regular Flat close grip bench press the natural range of motion is to come from the bottom of the ribcage or chest area and make swooping diagonal line going up and back to just above the chin. This really activates the anterior delts and takes some of the focus off of the triceps. When doing the decline close grip bench is more similiar to a push down as Mullet said. The range of motion is different in the fact that your are not moving the weight towards the head and therefore not taxing the anterior deltoid as much as the triceps. It is easier to isolate the triceps more and the elbow being under the weight puts it at a more advantagious position to move a much heaver weight than say a tricep extension, and the range of motion is not quite as far as a flat bench allowing you to lift heavier than on the flat close grip bench press. I find to work the 3 heads the best on a mass exercise for me is actually lockouts on overhead press. The over head motion really activates the 3rd head of the tricep to create that sweep along the bottom of the arm and you can push up a good amount of weight being only the top portion of the lift. I actually alternate between these two exercises pretty regularly to get all of the heads beaten into submission. Loving the log so far DW!
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Thanks

My favourite is decline Tri extensions now those hit me hard every time, keep me good and sore for days. The secret it to push out from the top of your head not up the way you do with head crushers.
 
Day 17 A beast is loose in the gym

I was really feeling apprehensive about this one... deads and a stuffy gym. Thank God the air was much improved over the previous day.

Deads 4 X 10 went up 10 lbs as planned and totally crushed it!! So up another 10 and did a crisp 10 the 3rd was fairly challenging but I still added another 10 lbs for the last set, now you know I am half out of my mind with intensity by now. 8 reps and my grip started to slip I went to re-grip but and somehow got out of position and my knees were not bent enough, felt a little pull on my lower back and backed off... pretty wise of me to do so when I'm in this state. You have to respect what deads can do to you when done improperly. Anyway 30 lbs up and only missed the last 2 I was fuggin pleased with myself.

Standing bb military press 3 X 10, 3 X 8-6-4 did not go up in weight cuz this is grueling after deads but during my drop sets I accumulated 6 extra reps. Damn last week I was about 5 short. Ok something has kicked in hard. Yah the beast is back baby!!

Seated rows 2X6-12-25 up 15 lbs across the board all reps completed, it was a fight but ... mama that's where the fun is...

I am in a frenzy now... Tricep Xtensions 2 X 8-6-4 up 10 lbs ... I knew this was ambitious. Crushed both sets anyway but did have to pause a couple times through the last 25 as I was pretty trashed but I was not going to be denied after a day like this!!

This is a ball breaker of a routine and I kicked it's ass!! I gotta say I was pretty surprised.

Weigh in ..now I knew I had lost some weight but I was shocked to find I was down 4 lbs from last week. Too much too fast, I will decrease cardio once more down to 2.5 hours a week. The diet was very tight maybe too much so, might be some small adjustments to carb levels here and there.

I am probably overtrained a bit too, it's Canada and gonna give myself a break, I've earned it. Nursing a lot of small injuries. I did do 30 minutes fasted cardio this morning and will be doing a lot of walking today.
 
Awesome stuff DW. Am I the only one that thinks of Duck Tales whenever DW is on here. Dark Wing Duck to the rescue!!!!!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Awesome stuff DW. Am I the only one that thinks of Duck Tales whenever DW is on here. Dark Wing Duck to the rescue!!!!!
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Yah .... that never occurred to me...

Day 19

Bench 3X10, 3X8-6-4. I am not able to progress on this exercise as my shoulder will simply not allow it. I made it through did better than last week. This whole routine is tough on shoulders and it's just caught up on me.

O bar curls 3X10, 3X8-6-4 Took my frustration out on this exercise up 5 lbs and for those that have been following I was already 20 lbs up from where I started so this was ambitious. The fist set was tough and I had my doubts, then someone mentioned how fantastic I was looking. The compliment seemed to give me a boost and I crushed the next set of 10 and then fought my way through the 3rd. The drop sets were excruciating but I finished up 4 or 5 reps. Totally trashed my left bicep ..nothing serious in the way of injury.

Lateral raise 2X6-12-25 fiinished both sets with a 2.5 increase, any increase on this exercise is significant. Lot of pain invovled with finishing these sets.

Woke up this morning looking very lean, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am under 10% body fat now. I weighed in and I am back up to 240 so I am pleased with that. 240 and below 10% thought that was just a dream. Tell me why are people using prohormones? Well lets just say fewer will be when the new product comes out. This combination of Prime and Product X is as good as I will ever need a stack to be. Week 3 has seen big gains in strength, but I am even more impressed with the body comp changes. Aggression continues to be a bit of a caveat but it's mostly under control.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Day 17 A beast is loose in the gym

I was really feeling apprehensive about this one... deads and a stuffy gym. Thank God the air was much improved over the previous day.

Deads 4 X 10 went up 10 lbs as planned and totally crushed it!! So up another 10 and did a crisp 10 the 3rd was fairly challenging but I still added another 10 lbs for the last set, now you know I am half out of my mind with intensity by now. 8 reps and my grip started to slip I went to re-grip but and somehow got out of position and my knees were not bent enough, felt a little pull on my lower back and backed off... pretty wise of me to do so when I'm in this state. You have to respect what deads can do to you when done improperly. Anyway 30 lbs up and only missed the last 2 I was fuggin pleased with myself.
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Grip is what bugs me most on deads too, but I refuse to wear straps :28:
Plus, re-gripping and doing each rep as if it was your first, is an entire new game in the intensity department :sgrin: Not something I would do on a regular basis tho :eek: :run:


Seated rows 2X6-12-25 up 15 lbs across the board all reps completed, it was a fight but ... mama that's where the fun is...

I am in a frenzy now... Tricep Xtensions 2 X 8-6-4 up 10 lbs ... I knew this was ambitious. Crushed both sets anyway but did have to pause a couple times through the last 25 as I was pretty trashed but I was not going to be denied after a day like this!!

This is a ball breaker of a routine and I kicked it's ass!! I gotta say I was pretty surprised.

Weigh in ..now I knew I had lost some weight but I was shocked to find I was down 4 lbs from last week. Too much too fast, I will decrease cardio once more down to 2.5 hours a week. The diet was very tight maybe too much so, might be some small adjustments to carb levels here and there.

I am probably overtrained a bit too, it's Canada and gonna give myself a break, I've earned it. Nursing a lot of small injuries. I did do 30 minutes fasted cardio this morning and will be doing a lot of walking today.
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Great progress DW, as for overtraining, it is hard not to with Prime in your arsenal :D

DreamWeaver said:
Yah .... that never occurred to me...

Day 19

Bench 3X10, 3X8-6-4. I am not able to progress on this exercise as my shoulder will simply not allow it. I made it through did better than last week. This whole routine is tough on shoulders and it's just caught up on me.

O bar curls 3X10, 3X8-6-4 Took my frustration out on this exercise up 5 lbs and for those that have been following I was already 20 lbs up from where I started so this was ambitious. The fist set was tough and I had my doubts, then someone mentioned how fantastic I was looking. The compliment seemed to give me a boost and I crushed the next set of 10 and then fought my way through the 3rd. The drop sets were excruciating but I finished up 4 or 5 reps. Totally trashed my left bicep ..nothing serious in the way of injury.

Lateral raise 2X6-12-25 fiinished both sets with a 2.5 increase, any increase on this exercise is significant. Lot of pain invovled with finishing these sets.

Woke up this morning looking very lean, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am under 10% body fat now. I weighed in and I am back up to 240 so I am pleased with that. 240 and below 10% thought that was just a dream. Tell me why are people using prohormones? Well lets just say fewer will be when the new product comes out. This combination of Prime and Product X is as good as I will ever need a stack to be. Week 3 has seen big gains in strength, but I am even more impressed with the body comp changes. Aggression continues to be a bit of a caveat but it's mostly under control.
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:dunno:
 
dragonfly said:
Great progress DW, as for overtraining, it is hard not to with Prime in your arsenal :D
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Yah that's the only problem with Prime as every workout is so intense it can catch up with me in a hurry especially with this kind of fequency.
 
You know the funny thing with me, is as long as I am taking Prime, I have the strength to continue each workout plus I workout longer than normal, I never crash while on Prime, fortunate me LOL hahahaha.
 
andrew732 said:
You know the funny thing with me, is as long as I am taking Prime, I have the strength to continue each workout plus I workout longer than normal, I never crash while on Prime, fortunate me LOL hahahaha.
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Yah there is a different aspects to the product one is recovery, I don't recover as well as some do on Prime. You obviously respond to all aspects.
 
Day 20 Fasted cardio avec AP...decent session I was damn sore all day

Day 21 ditto will take it very easy the rest of the day try and recover for the next onslaught.
 
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