babywifey
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haha. Very funny.
With all the weapons you claim to have in your house I am beginning to think you have many enemies out to get you, IC.
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haha. Very funny.
With all the weapons you claim to have in your house I am beginning to think you have many enemies out to get you, IC.
vikinginc
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That's horrible man! What a bummer - I definitely wouldn't use anything that made me feel that way either. It would ruin my training sessions, and I'm sure it's putting a major damper on yours.
It's most likely the magnesium. It can be used as a laxative; so while it's an effective addition to creatine for recovery purposes, it just doesn't sit well with some folks.
Yeah, man, it did put a damper on my workouts .. focus was off at times; today I just wanted to get outta the gym. Imagine doing abs when holding back and making sure you don't 'go' .. I'm gonna have my stomach recover the next couple of days.
.. I'm surprised my reaction is this bad. I wish it were different, but I'm hoping that I'll be able to incorporate one at a time starting in a week or so perhaps .. hopefully sooner.
babywifey
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Irish Cannon
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I'm debating doing my cardio today. I just got back from church and I've got a lingering headache. After the service my bro, a buddy and myself stopped in at the coffee shop and ever since then I've had some real bad sinus pressure. I think there's a storm coming. I can usually power through sinus headaches when lifting, but cardio is so boring and uneventful (when not doing HIIT) that I tend to dwell on the pain a lot more. The gym closes at 5pm on Sundays, and I'll eat probably at 2pm and wait around for about 1.5hrs before any exercise, so I've gotta decide quickly.
thundergod
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Hel Yeah!! I'm like Conan the Barbarian. I've got weapons stashed all around the place. I've got a shotgun under the bed. Swords, daggers, and even a few battle axes scattered about. And then I have my mystic mallet, the mighty Mjolnir!! :hammer:
Someone would really be fucking up to try and break in on me! :smite:
thundergod
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To both Irish Cannon and vikinginc....you guys are looking great in your latest photos. Now that I'm over my recent bout of sickness (stomach virus from Hel) I've got to step it up a notch. You guys are truly inspiring.
Keep kicking ass boys!!! :thumbsup:
Keep kicking ass boys!!! :thumbsup:
vikinginc
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Day #11:
PM-cardio [only]
Swimming - 45 minutes
* 10 lengths [25 meters] X 4 sets
* + numerous 25 meter sprint
.. I'm hooked on swimming. I love it, don't even want to get out. My lats were torched today, as a result of swimming 6 out of the past 7 days, but also due to the 4 sets of pull ups last night. Felt GOOOD, though!
.. I'm thinking tomorrow is my back day as I missed last week's back day, but depending on how my lats feel, I might just move on and do Legs.
Either way, it's a win-win situation !
PM-cardio [only]
Swimming - 45 minutes
* 10 lengths [25 meters] X 4 sets
* + numerous 25 meter sprint
.. I'm hooked on swimming. I love it, don't even want to get out. My lats were torched today, as a result of swimming 6 out of the past 7 days, but also due to the 4 sets of pull ups last night. Felt GOOOD, though!
.. I'm thinking tomorrow is my back day as I missed last week's back day, but depending on how my lats feel, I might just move on and do Legs.
Either way, it's a win-win situation !
vikinginc
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Thunda, thanks so much for the comments; it means a lot coming from your beastly a$$ self ! :thumbsup:
.. glad to hear you're over the stomach virus, and I bet it won't be detrimental to the workout week you've got coming up !
Irish Cannon
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Nice cardio session, Viking!
Swimming is hard stuff. I used to work with an older guy that did about three hours of swimming every day. He didn't lift weights much at all, but he was in great shape.
Swimming is hard stuff. I used to work with an older guy that did about three hours of swimming every day. He didn't lift weights much at all, but he was in great shape.
Irish Cannon
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Just a heads up workout update...
I'll be starting my superset training tomorrow. Get ready for some intense sessions!
I'll be starting my superset training tomorrow. Get ready for some intense sessions!
babywifey
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Irish Cannon
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babywifey
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Ah, yes! There she is!
The Queen of Supersets!
haha, not quite.
They are killer at first. Wow, it's like doing sprints for the first time. But you get used to them and they make workouts go by so much faster.
Irish Cannon
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haha, not quite.
They are killer at first. Wow, it's like doing sprints for the first time. But you get used to them and they make workouts go by so much faster.
Hmmmm....That almost makes me want to start fasted training tomorrow as well...
Verrryyyy interesting...The only thing that concerns me
is doing HIIT fasted. I'd be sipping BCAAs during the workout, but I don't know if that's enough to cover muscle catabolism.
I wonder if doing my weight training fasted and in superset form would be enough, allowing me to drop HIIT from my Day 1 and Day 3 workouts?...
I planned on starting the fasted training in mid-Feb with the MMV2...buuut I may need to start adjusting right now.
Hmmmm.....
Anyone? Anyone?...Bueler?...Bueler?
vikinginc
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Bro, I wouldn't train weights in a fasted state .. I'd be too fearful of muscle catabolism, like you mentioned. Personally, whenever I trained in the early AM, I'd throw down a whey shake (40-50grams) with a table spoon of PB, and then train 45-60 minutes later ...And then make sure I had an abundant supply of Xtend (BCAAs) in my intra-workout drink, and then an additional whey/isolate protein shake immidiately following your workout. Then, 60 minutes after, I'd have my lunch/dinner.
Just my $.02
babywifey
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I would not suggest doing supersets on an empty stomache for the first time. It'll make you puke or very sick to your stomach, that's what it did to me.
I don't ever train without having eaten, at most, 2 hours before. Supersets may be enough to drop some cardio, you'll just have to figure out what works best for you.
Irish Cannon
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Maaaaaaan, all yall's is trippin'! I dun need any a yalls! Bring dat trash in here...dis is MY HOUSE!
Here's what I'm thinking...
7am : Wake up, take 2.4g 1-C, 5 BlueGENE, 10 WhiteFLOOD
Make intra-workout drink : 6 scoops GlycerGROW, 30g BCAAs, 1 scoop GreenMAG
730am : Hit weights
8:30 - 9am : Finish training, take 400mg P-Slin, have Meal 1
10 - 1030am : Meal 2
Here's what I'm thinking...
7am : Wake up, take 2.4g 1-C, 5 BlueGENE, 10 WhiteFLOOD
Make intra-workout drink : 6 scoops GlycerGROW, 30g BCAAs, 1 scoop GreenMAG
730am : Hit weights
8:30 - 9am : Finish training, take 400mg P-Slin, have Meal 1
10 - 1030am : Meal 2
vikinginc
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Maaaaaaan, all yall's is trippin'! I dun need any a yalls! Bring dat trash in here...dis is MY HOUSE!
Here's what I'm thinking...
7am : Wake up, take 2.4g 1-C, 5 BlueGENE, 10 WhiteFLOOD
Make intra-workout drink : 6 scoops GlycerGROW, 30g BCAAs, 1 scoop GreenMAG
730am : Hit weights
8:30 - 9am : Finish training, take 400mg P-Slin, have Meal 1
10 - 1030am : Meal 2
Blue Gene wouldn't really have time to 'kick,' imho. And it DOES matter, especially considering the fact that you're up, working out that early. Even the White Flood, I'd give 45-60 minutes before hitting the gym ..
Forgive me for forgetting, but what is meal #1? Do you have a post-workout protein shake?
Irish Cannon
Legend
Ya. 2 scoops protein, 1cup oats, 60g WMS.
You raise good points. I'll have to give it some thought. I figured it would be good to test the abilities of 1-C. If you could keep the GH flowing through the workout, I'd figure that would be good.
dragonfly
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:goodpost:
..and again :goodpost:
Takes energy to burn energy, even a ferrari can't run without fuel Irish !
Besides, you body fat is already very low at the moment so doing "drastic measures" such as cutting most of your carbs out + weight training on empty + supersets... dunno, may put you in too much stress... = catabolism = :nono:Slow and steady. You want a physique that is healthy and maintainable right ? Plenty of time to achieve that before March
thundergod
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Maaaaaaan, all yall's is trippin'! I dun need any a yalls! Bring dat trash in here...dis is MY HOUSE!
You and Thomas both sure love to quote Stewie Griffin!! I had no idea he was so profound.
Hilarious stuff Irish!! :lol:
And I agree with the others here. I wouldn't want to tackle the weights in a totally fasted situation. Catabolism will ensue.
Irish Cannon
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I can partly agree with you guys, but I also don't think you're thinking outside the box...
By training fasted, and taking a high dose of 1-C, I'm also elevating HGH levels, as well as putting my body in a very anabolic state with high BCAA consumption.
I'm definitely not sold on my theory, but I'd like to figure it out and see how it works. I've never done it before. As time goes on in my, dare I say 'bodybuilding', I've realized that things are not always what we're told.
Call me stubborn, but I'm going to give it a shot this morning. Weight is at 174lbs, and I'll keep an eye on that as well as my strength for the next couple of weeks.
Edit: Another thing I thought of is that when I usually take Meal 1 in the morning, I start training about 15mins later. There is no way that the shake is digested at that point. I'd bet that I do at least half of my training in a somewhat fasted state.
By training fasted, and taking a high dose of 1-C, I'm also elevating HGH levels, as well as putting my body in a very anabolic state with high BCAA consumption.
I'm definitely not sold on my theory, but I'd like to figure it out and see how it works. I've never done it before. As time goes on in my, dare I say 'bodybuilding', I've realized that things are not always what we're told.
Call me stubborn, but I'm going to give it a shot this morning. Weight is at 174lbs, and I'll keep an eye on that as well as my strength for the next couple of weeks.
Edit: Another thing I thought of is that when I usually take Meal 1 in the morning, I start training about 15mins later. There is no way that the shake is digested at that point. I'd bet that I do at least half of my training in a somewhat fasted state.
dragonfly
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I’ve done it too but at very low % BF that gets counterproductive, even with your BCAA’S and whatever else. I agree however, you got to try for yourself to find out where your lowest limits are, no size fits all. The body will always want to hold on to some fat and that is largely genetically determined. For some people that threshold is irritatingly high :rant:
Resolve
The BPS Rep
Just bear in mind that Leucine, and therefore BCAAs, are Insulinotrophic, so that's gonna suppress some GH expression.
Also, though BCAAs trigger an increase in protein synthesis, there do have to be other amino acids present to sustain synthesis, and those levels will be much lower in a fasted state.
I could see this aiding somewhat in fat-loss, but also being a very fine-line that could result in muscle-loss if not done just right.
Also, though BCAAs trigger an increase in protein synthesis, there do have to be other amino acids present to sustain synthesis, and those levels will be much lower in a fasted state.
I could see this aiding somewhat in fat-loss, but also being a very fine-line that could result in muscle-loss if not done just right.
VolcomX311
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Little late to be chiming in on the pics, but yeah Thomas, I'm striving to have those prominent and well cut lower/outer pecs that you've developed. Your back looks more defined compared to the last time I saw them.
Irish Cannon
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Great workout today. I'll update more on it later. Right now I'm trying to choke down the protein. I must say, that Lipotropic protein is one of the most difficult proteins to drink, especially when it's mixed with everything I put in it. Like, I want to shoot myself when I drink it. That's how bad I hate it. This is LG Sciences first run of protein, not to mention it's totally different than whey and what is normally sold, so I'll cut them slack...but this stuff is bad.
babywifey
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I didn't think that the Chocolate was horrible. It was ok, and actually very good combined with milk. But I did think that the Vanilla was nasty. :/ It reminded me of crushed lima beans combined with stevia.
Irish Cannon
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By itself it's not unbearable...but mixed with 1cup of oats and 60g of WMS it's pretty disgusting. ATW Isolate is still pretty thin and easy to drink even with all of that stuff mixed in.
Distilled Water
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HAHA yea that first batch is rough. Im stil working on 2 full tubs!!!!
Make sure keep an eye on things with the fasted training. I tried it a while back while dieting and I would go severly hypo a few times. All I was doing was 10gr of leucine before workouts with some stims but I crashed a few times real hard. Like the episodes diabetics have when their blood sugar drops too low. I felt like I was losing muscle mass too.
Im not saying it may not work, just giving you some persoanl experience. You obviously know what your body is capable of. Best of luck bro!
Also did you ever try ATW cinn w/ oats and WMS? I have been thinking about doing this for some time but am affraid of the taste?
Irish Cannon
Legend
Heck ya! DW, what's up man?! Good to see you in here.
Ya, this first batch is pretty horrid. I've got a way to go on it. Eek. Oh well, I know you guys are coming out with an improved formula, so I'll wait to hear some reviews on it. This is honestly the first product I've used from LG Sciences that I don't really enjoy, but it has nothing to do with the product itself, just the taste. The actual ingredient profile is the best I've seen of basically any protein supplement.
Yes, I've tried ATW Cinnamon Bun with 1cup of oats and 60g WMS and it tastes GREAT! It compliments everything. It's still pretty thin even when you mix all that other stuff together. VERY easy to drink. I'll be ordering that again when the sale kicks off on the 1st.
I'll keep in mind what you said about the fasted training. Was I the one that turned you on to the leucine, or was that Metroba I recommended it to? I can't remember. I think it may have been Met. I actually considered using just leucine as well since it can't convert to glucose unlike valine and isoleucine. More explanation in my update...
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Irish Cannon
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Day 12
So, as I said, I did the fasted training...
It was GREAT! I honestly haven't felt that good during a workout in a loooong time. Had a crazy pump going, and I kept a steady heart-rate, probably around 125 during rests and 145 during sets. I didn't break an extremely heavy sweat, which makes me feel like I'm not breaking the catabolic threshold.
1hr pre-workout: 5 BlueGENE, 10 WhiteFLOOD, 2.4g 1-C, 1 scoop GreenMAG
Intra-workout: 40g BCAAs, 6 scoops GlycerGROW
Post-workout: Meal 1 (took me about an hour to drink this :lol
1hr after shake: Meal 2
The workout only took me 50mins as opposed to my usual 1.25hrs for lifting. It was a great session. Some sets were on par, some were up, none were down.
I didn't do any HIIT afterwords, but considered a light 20min walk, and decided against it. I am going to take this fasted training thing slowly. I may or may not train fasted tomorrow since it's an Olympic day. I feel those would be some hard sessions to get through without fuel. So I may do the normal thing and have Meal 1 before my workout tomorrow, and just train fasted on the days I normally did HIIT.
Here's the workout...
Back/Bis:
Bent Over BB Row: 135x23,21,18, 155x17,15,14,15,14
Rope Hammer Curl: 60x21,20,18, 65x16,15,15,15,13
Standing Lat Pulldown: 35x25,25, 45x21, 50x17,16,15,14,15
CG EZ-Bar Curl: 50x26,22, 60x16,14,15,14,15,14
When I was done, I was around the front desk trying to drink my shake, staring at the shaker bottle in disgust, getting the shivers each time I took a sip...I looked up at the girl up front and she started laughing and said, "Oh, the things you do to look good."
:rofl:
So, as I said, I did the fasted training...
It was GREAT! I honestly haven't felt that good during a workout in a loooong time. Had a crazy pump going, and I kept a steady heart-rate, probably around 125 during rests and 145 during sets. I didn't break an extremely heavy sweat, which makes me feel like I'm not breaking the catabolic threshold.
1hr pre-workout: 5 BlueGENE, 10 WhiteFLOOD, 2.4g 1-C, 1 scoop GreenMAG
Intra-workout: 40g BCAAs, 6 scoops GlycerGROW
Post-workout: Meal 1 (took me about an hour to drink this :lol
1hr after shake: Meal 2
The workout only took me 50mins as opposed to my usual 1.25hrs for lifting. It was a great session. Some sets were on par, some were up, none were down.
I didn't do any HIIT afterwords, but considered a light 20min walk, and decided against it. I am going to take this fasted training thing slowly. I may or may not train fasted tomorrow since it's an Olympic day. I feel those would be some hard sessions to get through without fuel. So I may do the normal thing and have Meal 1 before my workout tomorrow, and just train fasted on the days I normally did HIIT.
Here's the workout...
Back/Bis:
Bent Over BB Row: 135x23,21,18, 155x17,15,14,15,14
Rope Hammer Curl: 60x21,20,18, 65x16,15,15,15,13
Standing Lat Pulldown: 35x25,25, 45x21, 50x17,16,15,14,15
CG EZ-Bar Curl: 50x26,22, 60x16,14,15,14,15,14
When I was done, I was around the front desk trying to drink my shake, staring at the shaker bottle in disgust, getting the shivers each time I took a sip...I looked up at the girl up front and she started laughing and said, "Oh, the things you do to look good."
:rofl:
Irish Cannon
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It's really just the texture and how it doesn't mix well with other things that bothers me. When you drink it straight, it's not that bad.
VolcomX311
Legend
I'm curious about those standing lat pull downs, any particular reason you perform them this way? Interesting.... Invalid Link Removed
Irish Cannon
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Dude, honestly I just don't know what the freaking name for them is. It's where you stand up, grab the lat pulldown bar with arms locked out, and you just bring the bar down in a downward curve-type motion.
Sorry, I'm a moron. I don't know what they're called.
VolcomX311
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Is it the exercise where you contract your back without doing any pulling of the bi's? So basically, a scapular retraction, curved downward a bit to involve some lat contraction?
I suppose you could call them Back Retractions? Invalid Link Removed Unless that's not the exercise I'm imagining.
VolcomX311
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Oh THAT ONE! Okay, not as abstract as I'd originally thought. I call them straight arm, pull downs as Resolve mentioned. They mimic a (double armed) swim stroke, verdad?
Distilled Water
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GOOOD NEWS!!!! I cant wait to try that mix! ATW is having a 12% off with free shipping right now also so if your just getting protein you can save a few bucks VS. NP.
I dont think you and i ever talked about leucine, maybe tho.......Another thing to add about the leucine it can also cause lowerd blood sugar also so another thing to keep in mind. I was doing 10gr so I imagine it was amp'd. Mullet talks about it in there mass shake stuff about Leucine lowering blood sugar. It makes sense to me know.
hman85
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Bingo that would be the correct answer! what do we have for him johnny?
vikinginc
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Day #12:
[early] PM Cardio:
Swimming: 45 minutes;
* 15 lengths @ 25 meters each * 2 sets
* 20 lengths @ 25 meters each * 1 sets
* various 25 meter sprints, warm-ups, etc.
.. endurance is off the charths! When I began swimming a week ago, I would be winded after the completion of each 10 length set, and lats/deltoids would be aching from not being used to the movements. Today I was cranking out two 15 length sets and a final 20 length set, which highly impressed me, especially considering it was non-stop chest [stroke?] where I dive under blow out air, come up on top take a quick breath .. I was mightily impressed today, and I was looking damn lean yet volumized after the completion.
I came across this one last night; Invalid Link Removed
Very interesting read.
Today I began sipping on 3 scoops GlycerGrow with 2 scoops Xtend and 3-4 grams Beta Alanine 90 minutes prior to hitting the pool. I believe there was a definite difference in overall energy and volumization compared to the past 6 days where I had the same mix and began sipping only 10-15 minutes prior. The studies performed in the article above backs up my initial feelings towards the timing ..
[early] PM Cardio:
Swimming: 45 minutes;
* 15 lengths @ 25 meters each * 2 sets
* 20 lengths @ 25 meters each * 1 sets
* various 25 meter sprints, warm-ups, etc.
.. endurance is off the charths! When I began swimming a week ago, I would be winded after the completion of each 10 length set, and lats/deltoids would be aching from not being used to the movements. Today I was cranking out two 15 length sets and a final 20 length set, which highly impressed me, especially considering it was non-stop chest [stroke?] where I dive under blow out air, come up on top take a quick breath .. I was mightily impressed today, and I was looking damn lean yet volumized after the completion.
I came across this one last night; Invalid Link Removed
Very interesting read.
Today I began sipping on 3 scoops GlycerGrow with 2 scoops Xtend and 3-4 grams Beta Alanine 90 minutes prior to hitting the pool. I believe there was a definite difference in overall energy and volumization compared to the past 6 days where I had the same mix and began sipping only 10-15 minutes prior. The studies performed in the article above backs up my initial feelings towards the timing ..
Resolve
The BPS Rep
That's what I thought they were called, but I wasn't sure.
Viking, you're making this ex-surfer long for the water, buddy! :thumbsup:
hman85
Well-known member
Makes you ok in my book:thumbsup:That's what I thought they were called, but I wasn't sure.
Viking, you're making this ex-surfer long for the water, buddy! :thumbsup:
vikinginc
Well-known member
That's what I thought they were called, but I wasn't sure.
Viking, you're making this ex-surfer long for the water, buddy! :thumbsup:
Lol, happy to hear it, bro!
I'm sitting here wondering what the hell I'll do when I head back to Texas in a week and a half; Gold's doesn't have a pool there, and the only one I can use would be A&M's rec center's pool .. meaning I'd have to schedule my swimming around the school's team practices. Arrgh, I see a barrier ahead here; but I need to find a solution, I want to continue with these daily swims! It's rejuvenating! Refreshing!
.. and best thing of all, my shoulder joint has gotten significantly better since a week ago when I began swimming!
I hope you'll find your way back to your wave, bro ! :thumbsup:
Irish Cannon
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Find a pond.
hman85
Well-known member
That sucks man. I need to start doing the swimming thing again. I liked after workout swims it makes you feel so good. It would usually put me right to sleep if i worked out and then swam afterwards. lights out!
thundergod
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LG sent me the chocolate flavored Lipotropic Protein. I thought it tasted good by itself. But with oats....Well, any protein with the oats is hard to choke down for me. I just close my eyes and slam dat shit!! :lol:
thundergod
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I gotta find me an indoor pool. Arnold said that the only real cardio he ever performed was swimming. He swore by it. And now since you have validated it....well, I've got to hit the water!! :thumbsup:
thundergod
Well-known member
There you go. Old school. Thunder-likey!! :lol:Find a pond.