I'm dosing twice a day right now...but since my head is so effed up, i'm actually doing 3 seperate applications with each time I dose.
yes it actually does and no tingles for me either maybe im not using enough, im applying about a dime size amount on affected area. However I don't think a menthol tingle actually means anything.my wife said it looked like mustard, we will see how it goes. not much of a menthol tingle for me
correct. Could be less sensitive to menthol. With activation of these receptors, more is definitely not better.yes it actually does and no tingles for me either maybe im not using enough, im applying about a dime size amount on affected area. However I don't think a menthol tingle actually means anything.
This is definitely something I am going to try to work on (and something I am seeing in other spots on my head - a thinning from the middle out).I received my VM...smells great and dissolves quickly, and looks like 1 bottle will last awhile. My only concern is that Im trying to normalize a bout of Telogen Effluvium and have no "bald spot" to apply to. I've just been applying all over but I think my hair is getting more of it then my scalp.
This is definitely something I am going to try to work on (and something I am seeing in other spots on my head - a thinning from the middle out).
I know the Shampoo will help here, for sure, and as far as technique (I would recommend this at night only) do the following:
Apply small half-pea sized beads in regular intervals. Using claw-like hands, massage the scalp in the area. This should distribute the product mostly on the scalp only in the overall area you want to treat, without getting a huge amount onto the hair shaft. You will get some on the hair, which is why I recommend this at night.
Agreed....I got my hair cut this weekend, and noticed that it seems much better with shorter hair.I have very thin individual hair strands and my hair is short though so it may not work for those with different hair/syles.
Mr.50
love the idea of the technique you describe..will do this tonight.This is definitely something I am going to try to work on (and something I am seeing in other spots on my head - a thinning from the middle out).
I know the Shampoo will help here, for sure, and as far as technique (I would recommend this at night only) do the following:
Apply small half-pea sized beads in regular intervals. Using claw-like hands, massage the scalp in the area. This should distribute the product mostly on the scalp only in the overall area you want to treat, without getting a huge amount onto the hair shaft. You will get some on the hair, which is why I recommend this at night.
are you using anything else to battle your hairloss? ie; Lasers (not that POS hairmax), propecia, minox etc? or is this (in your opinion) the result of using Virile, if so how long have you been using it?Agreed....I got my hair cut this weekend, and noticed that it seems much better with shorter hair.
Early note:
I have new growth that appears to be around 1/8" long. So far not extensive, but definitely noticeable - especially considering I am playing with 1-test/4-AD transdermal stacked with Havoc.
I'm using NOxidant, Java Lustre and Virile MAne - nothing else.are you using anything else to battle your hairloss? ie; Lasers (not that POS hairmax), propecia, minox etc? or is this (in your opinion) the result of using Virile, if so how long have you been using it?
NOxidant? what is that? is it a NO product, something like Nitrix from BSN..i assume Java Lustre is a shampoo? Btw looking GOOD! you should really try laser therapy..below is a link to laser site put up by a guy from Regrowth.com..it's not me..the site is quite informative..DIY laser helmet etc..I'm using NOxidant, Java Lustre and Virile MAne - nothing else.
I've had the completed stack around 2.5 weeks.
NOxidant is my Broad Spectrum Antioxidant formula, which reduces free radicals systemically, especially the nasty Reactive Nitrogen Species.NOxidant? what is that? is it a NO product, something like Nitrix from BSN..i assume Java Lustre is a shampoo? Btw looking GOOD! you should really try laser therapy..below is a link to laser site put up by a guy from Regrowth.com..it's not me..the site is quite informative..DIY laser helmet etc..
http://overmachogrande.com/
I'm using NOxidant, Java Lustre and Virile MAne - nothing else.
I've had the completed stack around 2.5 weeks.
Spoilage should not be an issue. We use a suttocide antifungal/antibacterial agent - and the rest of the carrier ingredients are shelf-stable. The rooibos tea and apple polyphenols we are watching closely, for evidence of oxidation, but so far, as long as the closure is sealed after use, there is no evidence.Dsade - not so much a problem for me, as I use a fair amount, but with people only covering say temples and this bottle lasting i'd guess several months at that rate, are there any concerns regarding a reduction in efficacy as some of the ingredients spoil?
Mucuna Pruriens's primary consituent is the L-Dopa, of which Matt has included a 99% Extract.:huh: Wow. My shampoo went out today, I can't wait to start on it!
dsade, what do you know about muira puama and hair growth? I've seen it mentioned that that is a traditional use for MP.
I understand; the traditional use is oral, though. Same effect?Muira Puama's primary consituent is the L-Dopa, of which Matt has included a 99% Extract.
Excellent, look forward to this.infact here's my pics.... as you can see I caught it reeeeasonably early which makes things easier as regards treatment.
The one angle that really shows it up is the front on - hair can look really shitty from that angle on sunny days. Very obvious when wet too, lots of scalp visible.
All pics are taken with clean dry hair, and flash.
NOTE: To those reading, these results are NOT from virile mane. Month 10 will be the starting point, with VM being applied nightly to the crown, hairline and a central strip from front to back. This will be in addition to my current xandrox (5% minox, + AA) and 1mg fin in the mornings.
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higher res (shows up initial thinning and progress much more) here
Muira Puama's primary constituent is L-Dopa? Or did you mean to say Mucuna Pruriens?Muira Puama's primary consituent is the L-Dopa, of which Matt has included a 99% Extract.
HI shay...I appreciate te support and compliments.Hi,
I started VM few days ago. I have to say that its very easy to apply and its smells nice.
Regarding the smell: Is it fragrance or the peppermint oil ?
Also, are You going to seal the bottles of VM ?
One last question regarding the shampoo: Does it lather well ?
Thank You very much.
Lead time is 9 weeks for he new bottles =(.2 more questions please:
Will the new VM bottles will be available soon ?
I live in hard water area, Is it ok to use the shampoo by itself or should I wash my hair with apple cider vineger after I shampoo ?
Thanks again![]()
Did you read the full studies? The downregulation of IGF-1 and inhibition of hair growth in vitro is discussed in the writeup. In vivo TRPV1 agonism interacts with sensory neurons and increases IGF-1 production in the dermal papilla.It, uh, colours my blond hair reddish-brown
Must be the rooibos extract.
Also, in the past I read 3 studies on topical capsaicin and capsaicin inhibited IGF-1 and hair growth in 1 article:
http://ajp.amjpathol.org/cgi/content/abstract/166/4/985
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG5-4NYJS61-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=77bc06c81c010fed31d08b0c60e6867a
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG5-4N3GX68-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a71f1446c63bb5b6a7eaaa77d6f393cb
And... did you consider including caffeine ?
HI shay...I appreciate te support and compliments.
There is no scent in VM...that is all the peppermint oil combined with the unique natural scent of some of the actives.
The VM packaging is a beta release, and we are currently having custom black and gold bottle/spout caps made. These will be completely shrink sealed.
The Shampoo, while not as viscous as I wished, lathers pretty well considering we avoided the usual lathering agents. My wife, who is a shampoo snob, actually likes it very well - even in her long hair.
Banish was shipped to BB.com WEEKS ago, but they are incredibly slow getting new products added.Hi Dsade,
Do you sell banish and virile mane on other online strores besides nutraplanet. ?
Thank you
I remember mentioning that $10 price jump to Hank and we were confused about what had happened. That explains itBanish was shipped to BB.com WEEKS ago, but they are incredibly slow getting new products added.
Nutra bought out the entire first run of VM (with the exception of a small shipment sent out to another retailer). EVerything will be restocked by Thursday, and the VM will be shipped to all of my other retailers.
As mentioned, since Nutra bought the entire run, they were able to be the only ones holding the product at the intro price (the price raise was a computer error, intro price was supposed to go for another 2 weeks.)
With special pricing, there has to be an expiration date inputted into the computer (the Gut Health sale is another example), after which the price reverts to regular price.I remember mentioning that $10 price jump to Hank and we were confused about what had happened. That explains it![]()
With special pricing, there has to be an expiration date inputted into the computer (the Gut Health sale is another example), after which the price reverts to regular price.
It was simply set incorrectly.
Should be good for another 1.5-2 weeks.does this mean it is still 29.99? if so, for how much longer?
I had bought 2 and had them shipped international from nutra.The VM packaging is a beta release, and we are currently having custom black and gold bottle/spout caps made. These will be completely shrink sealed.
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Labeling is complete, ingredient list prominent, and the bottle DESIGN itself is the same as final. They shouldn't leak at all.I had bought 2 and had them shipped international from nutra.
with beta packaging, is there a chance they would arrive leaky or damaged?
what about customs? is there still a nice label on it? :think:
Banish was shipped to BB.com WEEKS ago, but they are incredibly slow getting new products added.
Nutra bought out the entire first run of VM (with the exception of a small shipment sent out to another retailer). EVerything will be restocked by Thursday, and the VM will be shipped to all of my other retailers.
As mentioned, since Nutra bought the entire run, they were able to be the only ones holding the product at the intro price (the price raise was a computer error, intro price was supposed to go for another 2 weeks.)
Thank you, sir.Thanks, love your work btw, you're an artist!
Just shake it before using...that is likely the Emu Oil (high EO content in this formula) "clinging" onto some of the actives (likely the rooibos tea).My initial experience with VM is good. I find it to be very soothing actually.
I can't do a 2x a day application though. I have longish hair on top and once I apply it in the morning it hardens up my hair like a gel would and exposes the thinning areas.
It's fine to put on at night an hour or so before bedtime, but I think anyone with longish hair on top might have some issues with a morning application if they have to go out.
I was curious what the tiny brownish flakes are that are in it? My wife puts it on for me and she sees them come out of the bottle from time to time.
I have the same issue. Lots of black, um, not clumps, but flat little pieces, between 1/8-1/4in wide.Just shake it before using...that is likely the Emu Oil (high EO content in this formula) "clinging" onto some of the actives (likely the rooibos tea).
Anyone that has used emu oil before will know what I am talking about. Looks like I need to up the emulsifier slightly.
Definitely the rooibos tea. Seems to have a different saturation point.same here with the clumps, but they are more reddish brown
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