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diet is mostly clean - low fat and hi in protein - however i do drink everynight - beer or wine - or both but - still pretty consistent at the gym - lots of hiit and cardio and recovering from tendinitis so the weight is not as heavy as it used to be .... but still during the day i eat super clean and often - just wondering if its just my body type or what - even worth it too keep putting my self under such stress and hype all day for it? i mean i havent lost anything at all - and i am at the same place i was when i wasnt using it...
 
zonpower said:
Any one used meltdown? I'm on week 3 now and up to 4 polls a day and do far no lost at all!!!! Wtf !!
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haven't used meltdown in a good long time...but unless they have changed the formula, i thought it was a decent fatburner...
 
Stand alone the New dexparine can't be beat,

additions worth noting,

tt33
TTA
and a good sleep aid/appetite supression combo
 
not to hijack but its along these lines - best product to suppress appetite with least amount of stim effect that is still stim based?

I want to try OEP but I dont want to get overstimmed and feel like I am having a heart attack..
 
zonpower said:
diet is mostly clean - low fat and hi in protein - however i do drink everynight - beer or wine - or both but - still pretty consistent at the gym - lots of hiit and cardio and recovering from tendinitis so the weight is not as heavy as it used to be .... but still during the day i eat super clean and often - just wondering if its just my body type or what - even worth it too keep putting my self under such stress and hype all day for it? i mean i havent lost anything at all - and i am at the same place i was when i wasnt using it...
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Low fat isn't necessarily the best way to do it. If it bothers you that much you should start tracking your calories with an app or something. Try upping fats and dropping carbs. It will probably work a lot better.
 
Jim2542 said:
Low fat isn't necessarily the best way to do it. If it bothers you that much you should start tracking your calories with an app or something. Try upping fats and dropping carbs. It will probably work a lot better.
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^i have to agree, not saying go to mcdonalds and have fun with a bigmac, but fats are associated with testosterone production. Focus mainly on saturated and monounsaturated fats, such as olive oil, walnuts, etc...

Also, cutting back on some carbs could help you cut some of the water weight that carbs hold on to
 
I am taking a test booster as well - and i do have fats in my diet - and i do pee like crazy but when i get on the scale..... same ol 208 -210 no matter what.... how much you guys think that alcohool is influencing - harming it ? a couple glasses of wine at night - beers?
 
From sup companys?Dexaprine and alpha t2(I'm trying the new dexaprine today the original one was the best I had taken)
Non sup companys?Clen.Just because I seem to be one of those few people with no sides *I can feel* at 180mcgs.Gotta be carefull though.
Good additions to prevent fat storage /increase oxidation for someone who classify as an endomorph:sesamin,CLA,Alcar,Green tea,R-ala(na-rala?Never tried)

I'm playing around with non stim in augest.I plan to over eat to test :)

Using the above additions I am able to stay lean as all hell with 2g carbs per lb of bodyweight while adding lean mass.I'm carb sensitive too*I lost 70 lbs at a time in highschool,reformed fatty*I have tried with out them all,adding each one to see exactly which one helps the most.sesamin and r-ala made the most difference.I wouldn't go low carb on r-ala though.

Hope I helped :)
 
lboston said:
Who makes ECA and does that stand for something?
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Face palm! Ephedra, caffeine, aspirin. ECA. Yes, it was once made but pre 2005. Now it can be found at a very few sites if you do some searching. Finding real ephedra alkaloids in ECA is not easy but it can be done.
 
oufinny said:
Face palm! Ephedra, caffeine, aspirin. ECA. Yes, it was once made but pre 2005. Now it can be found at a very few sites if you do some searching. Finding real ephedra alkaloids in ECA is not easy but it can be done.
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Lol-thanks man. Appreciate it.
 
Oscar said:
thats my ****, throw is some green tea extract cla and capsaicin pills be good to go
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Vpx actually bought out something good with this
 
yeah the fact that its only $20 a bottle at walmart is a major plus to
 
oufinny said:
Face palm! Ephedra, caffeine, aspirin. ECA. Yes, it was once made but pre 2005. Now it can be found at a very few sites if you do some searching. Finding real ephedra alkaloids in ECA is not easy but it can be done.
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or you can just go to your local pharmacy and get some bronkaid.
 
kanakafarian said:
ECA is the strongest OTC fat burner out there!
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lboston said:
Who makes ECA and does that stand for something?
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Is there any actual PROOF that ephedra is more effectiave for fat-burning then say Yohimbine or Alpha-yo or 1,3 etc....?

My guess would be YO is the strongest due to the A2 antagonism (but the least "tolerated" as it makes u feel like crap hence its lack of popularity).

Sesamin (PPAR-alpha agonism)+YO (or alpha-YO)+ Caffeine (or any caffeine derivative) + ALCAR (freeing up fatty acids) would be the way to hit it from many angles IMHO (well, excluding direct Thyroid as well as estrogenic fat pathways).

If C-20 does what it claims, adding this would tap into the beta pathaways making it even MORE potent.

 
I'd like to know why is green tea (inhibits COMT activity and induces brown fat stimulation) so INEFFECTIVE?
 
Whacked said:
Hey smart guys out there: Is there any actual PROOF that ephedra is more effectiave for fat-burning then say Alpha-yo or Yo or 1,3 etc....?

My guess would be YO is the strongest due to the A2 antagonism (but the least "tolerated" as it makes u feel like crap hence its lack of popularity).

Sesamin (PPAR-alpha agonism)+YO (or alpha-YO)+ Caffeine (or any caffeine derivative) + ALCAR (freeing up fatty acids) would be the way to hit it from all angles IMHO (well, excluding direct Thyroid pathways)

If C-20 does what it claims, adding this would tap into the beta pathaways making it even MORE potent.

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Sure but you can only take so many supplements at one time. Sometimes it gets a little out of hand or over the top. Too much of a good thing sometimes ends up a bad thing.
 
Agreed, then you also have to deal with cessation of use issue. Fat-REBOUND from being on a potent fat burner and from being on potentially too long and once your alpha and beta receptors return to homeostasis, some or most of the fat can "typically" return.

Additionally, ramping up metabolism (with things like T3) means it will ramp down once off the supps too. lol.

Can't win. That's why slow steady wins the race.

Achieving fat loss through supplementation "CAN" be comparable to gaining muscle mass on steroids. Once you come off, there will inevitably be a reverse in results. How substantial is typically directly correlated to how much of the drug was used and how long it was used for (amongst other variables as well of course).

Ahhhh so fun. I've been playing this nightmare game for 20 years. :p
 
Whacked said:
Is there any actual PROOF that ephedra is more effectiave for fat-burning then say Yohimbine or Alpha-yo or 1,3 etc....?

My guess would be YO is the strongest due to the A2 antagonism (but the least "tolerated" as it makes u feel like crap hence its lack of popularity).

Sesamin (PPAR-alpha agonism)+YO (or alpha-YO)+ Caffeine (or any caffeine derivative) + ALCAR (freeing up fatty acids) would be the way to hit it from many angles IMHO (well, excluding direct Thyroid as well as estrogenic fat pathways).

If C-20 does what it claims, adding this would tap into the beta pathaways making it even MORE potent.

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Yes, there is a plethora of research on the anti-obesity/ergogenic effects of EC.
Yohimbine has solid evidence too, though dosing is fickle.
 
ECA if your scared of helios + T3 + anavar
 
rochabp said:
ECA if your scared of helios + T3 + anavar
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Just go straight to the throat lol

..^^^^^^potenet as a mofo that stack
 
rhino65 said:
On the ECA stack what are u using for the caffeine.
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well i usually chose the other stak but when i do use ECA just about anything really its just caffeine lol
 
some Bromocriptine for hunger control never hurts either
 
Makes me want to hop back on it. The issue I have always had with Ephedra is the CRASH!

Great HIGHS, brutal LOWS


mr.cooper69 said:
Yes, there is a plethora of research on the anti-obesity/ergogenic effects of EC.
Yohimbine has solid evidence too, though dosing is fickle.
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Bigchourico said:
And the research goes back over 20 years
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VaughnTrue said:
you should be fine. 72 hour flash sale.
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Excellent

Would these be useful on a lean bulk or a recomp? Or best on a cut? Not familiar with many of the new ingredients...
 
uvawahoowa said:
Excellent

Would these be useful on a lean bulk or a recomp? Or best on a cut? Not familiar with many of the new ingredients...
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depending on your dosage, anything is possible. thats whats great about the tablets, you can take 1/3 a cap, 1/2 a cap, or even 3/4 a cap if you so desire, depending on your goals.
 
im getting back into the game of pain, and it sucks sometimes. lol
 
Real ECA or NYC stack, both have been lightyears better than anything else I have tried for fat loss. OEP gave great energy, Dexaprine had the absolute best appetite suppression and Endosurge leaned me out with no diet changes. If I want fat loss though it is real ECA and some extra Y-HCL with some fasted cardio is a surefire success.
 
oufinny said:
Real ECA or NYC stack, both have been lightyears better than anything else I have tried for fat loss. OEP gave great energy, Dexaprine had the absolute best appetite suppression and Endosurge leaned me out with no diet changes. If I want fat loss though it is real ECA and some extra Y-HCL with some fasted cardio is a surefire success.
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I've heard good things of the new Dexaprine. But EC is usually king.
 
oufinny said:
Real ECA or NYC stack, both have been lightyears better than anything else I have tried for fat loss. OEP gave great energy, Dexaprine had the absolute best appetite suppression and Endosurge leaned me out with no diet changes. If I want fat loss though it is real ECA and some extra Y-HCL with some fasted cardio is a surefire success.
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What is nyc stack?
 
runner_79 said:
Norephedrine yohimbine caffeine
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Norephedrine is a new ingredient to me. What is it? Similar to ephedrine?
 
pyrobatt said:
Norephedrine is a new ingredient to me. What is it? Similar to ephedrine?
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I wonder if it's a pseudoephedrine that are bought at drug stores...
 
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