The Future of Primordial Performance

NADDANME said:
Where are people hearing that all of the reps have quit
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Trauma1 /John
Rosie
Sean
Resolve / Nick
3clipseGT / Josh

Are all no longer reps.... They all said for "personal" reasons but intresting enough Here to Study said it had to do with company restructuring.. hmmmm so which is it
 
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sking6464 said:
people dont realize with the looming ph ban, thse are the products that will be left, not all the methyls for $50.....no one said this game was cheap
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This is true. Methyls work, have been around and are reletively cheap, but their not goin to be around much longer. The Androseries will match or succeed ime, methyls for results, but will be without the harsh sides AND be legal to purchase to and use. Perhaps in the future when production and sales have ramped up, we will start to see price breaks on the Androseries.
 
ryansm said:
Actually charges from the FDA have already been filed for selling SD, distribution of steroids. It's why no one is making it anymore and those who have are hoping it's not going to happen to them.
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So are you saying these are 100%DSHEA and GMP compliant??
 
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahhahaohohohohohohohehhehehehehe

all hype and no delivery!

I think I vaguely remember saying these words weeks ago !
 
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
 
HATEFULone said:
Well put, ai is a stand up company. PP and AI are in my top 4 companies, controlled labs is in there as well, the last one I'm still deciding. All companies have set backs. People are acting like pp took their money and never delivered on the goods. If everyone just keeps training hard and eating right, they will continue to make gains without the androseries. Once it comes out I will be watching the logs very closely, then I will make my decision as to whether or not I will try one of them. $199 for andromass seems to be where I will be heading if I try the androseries, throw in some hcg depending on the cycle length and some resveratrol and a SERM for my pct, unless the write ups recommend different, I am looking at right about $300 total for the cycle. Now for those whom have actually done a real aas cycle, think about it. $300 for a short cycle, not that bad. Including western union fees, possible shipping fees, pins, pct, support supplements, gear, you are looking at pretty hefty prices well, and the androseries will bring peace of mind that you aren't going to have some feds waiting for you to open your package or the terrible feeling of getting a seizure letter in the mail and wanting to throw your computer in a lake to hide the evidence. If the gains are close to lets say a short cycle of test and dbol, but safer and around the same price or cheaper, then sign me up. And thats what she said about that...
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Big difference is you know you're going to get results from a Prop/Tren/Mast cycle, guaranteed. This is still a "crapshoot" if it is even going to produce anything worth writing home about in terms of gains.
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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You could tell them to **** off....because they honestly don't give 2 ****s about you or the company. But thats my opinion :D
 
ryansm said:
Actually charges from the FDA have already been filed for selling SD, distribution of steroids. It's why no one is making it anymore and those who have are hoping it's not going to happen to them.
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This is absolutely true and why everyone is getting away from it. The FDA/DEA are watching a lot more than people think.

Having products that are DSHEA/GMP compliant is the safe way to go right now. I commend those efforts put forth by Primordial in that regard.



-John
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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Honestly, not your fault. Apologies from you shows your professionalism, which is commendable. You, like us, are at the mercy of your upper mgmt/ownership etc. Does this suck?? Yep. I'm sure you agree wholeheartedly with that. This whole thing has just become compounded with one thing after another. Yes, you could tell everyone on here to **** off as Admin states, but clearly have chosen to show more professionalism and tolerance than that. Hats off.
 
People getting mad at a company for not taking their money yet...


I'm in the wrong business.
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. :D
 
ryansm said:
The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago.
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Is PP now being charged for SuperDrone as well? Just curious because this is the first I have heard of this. I know all got cease and desist letters.
 
Trauma1 said:
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. :D
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You know, you can tell them to **** off now if you want...I'll give you an infraction but you won't be banned yet...and I'll secretly laugh.


:lol:
 
Moving the site to Amsterdam would open up a lot of advertising opportunities...


:D
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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Stand up guy. Apologising isn't always easy to do, especially when you are getting so many irrational posts at you (as well as some rational ones).

This guy impresses me a lot. A couple of the most famous reps have stepped aside and I think Ryan is going to step up to the mark.

As nobody has said it yet, "LOUD NOISES!"
 
Hundatar said:
the dog ate my homework. I thought reports were not due till next week. Then you fake sick and tell your mom U wanna stay home from school. PP has sounded like a child who didn't do his homework the whole time bragging how FU*King great it is wtf Bit*hes I hav spent hundreds @ pp but no more. Pin to win. All the B.S. this might work on half the ppl half the time tripple the dose...bla bla bla almost all rep jumping ship. Eric I wish you luck but if don't lurn from your mistakes go sell gasp#$%^& i'S bull sh t cuz you are about to have the cretiabilite of that guy. You didn't lurn from the desasterous last time you posted dates blaming some chines dist. The chines will sell u cardbord and tell u its fish. Trust them to mix your steroids F no.
to save any cred. Nutra needs to stop selling all pp's line till they start actuolly delivering what they say. Yeah im frustrated that I ever spent a nickle with pp.
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dude you need to learn how to spell. then you can complain.
 
mw1 said:
Pre-sale?? I'm really beginning to wonder if this will materialize~~there have been quite a few excuses/explanations now
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Yes we know, every CEL rep and their grandmothers are on our asses about this lol
 
I kinda lol"d
 
I knew I would get home from work and the website wouldn't be working. I'm guessing they meant next Monday.
 
Wow, I picked a helluva day to be stuck at work. As it's already been noted we at Primordial apologize for the delays in releasing this product line. Having just got home an hour ago, I haven't had the time to listen to Eric's interview on SHR.

I know you are all frustrated. Trust me when I say that we are as well. We want to deliver the goods. We want to provide you with all of the information so that you can make an informed decision on your purchase with us. We want this information as well. We've been chomping at the bit for some writeups/information since mid-September. Some of ya'll have only been members since December and January yet you're already foaming at the mouth for some AndroSeries info. We've got it just as bad, and I'd wager much worse.

All I can say is that very soon we will all get the information we've been waiting for. Despite the comments here I thank you all for your patience. It is frustrating to have to wait and we all just need a place to vent that frustration. I'm just glad you guys haven't 'stormed the Bastille' or strung me up by my ears. Thank you all for your continued interest in The AndroSeries.
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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So are the writeups going to be released tommorow?
 
To a certain dwight k shrute, is it ironic that you have been censored on your own site? I miss the good old days when people posted something inappropriate a mod had to find it in order to change it.
 
Well if you knew the reasons why then no, its not ironic but generally people at work and especially Google, who indexes this content generally doesn't like it when content is full of 4 letter words. I'll make you a deal, make me as big as Facebook, then I won't care and you can say whatever you want.
 
Dwight Schrute said:
Well if you knew the reasons why then no, its not ironic but generally people at work and especially Google, who indexes this content generally doesn't like it when content is full of 4 letter words. I'll make you a deal, make me as big as Facebook, then I won't care and you can say whatever you want.
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I've been trying, but I'm sure the am crew could beat the tar out of the fb crew, I'm always one to suggest I cage match to settle things, winner takes the internet, I'll contact fb and set it up.
 
No need, I'll take 10% and be happy. :lol:
 
ryansm said:
Ok guys we lost, yes lost a lot of the write-up/research/ and other information that took months to compile. It has to be redone, it will not take as long as we already know what we are looking for, however it is going to take time. Geeze guys if you listened to the show you would know that Eric has been up for two days straight, and guess what he is still up trying to get it all ready. Please I am asking you to just be patient, I know there have been a lot of set backs and I apologize for that, but this was an unforeseeable accident. Thank you
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How did you manage to do that? I'm sorry, But this all sounds like a load of crap. I just started following PP a few months ago and ordered A LOT of yalls products. Now i'm beginning to think I made the wrong decision. My gut tells me something fishy is going on here. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... I'm pretty sure you guys aren't fooling anyone with delay after delay. I do support PP, But cut the crap and let us know whats really going on. All of the PP reps keep assuring everyone that everything is okay but I don't even think you guys really know what is going on behind closed doors.
 
Jorsn said:
How did you manage to do that? I'm sorry, But this all sounds like a load of crap. I just started following PP a few months ago and ordered A LOT of yalls products. Now i'm beginning to think I made the wrong decision. My gut tells me something fishy is going on here. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... I'm pretty sure you guys aren't fooling anyone with delay after delay. I do support PP, But cut the crap and let us know whats really going on. All of the PP reps keep assuring everyone that everything is okay but I don't even think you guys really know what is going on behind closed doors.
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Just how did they fool you once or twice? Did the other products you ordered in the past work as advertised or not?

And, just so we're all clear, are you outright calling Ryansm a liar?
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Yes we know, every CEL rep and their grandmothers are on our asses about this lol
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Last time I checked CEL has been planning to relese a "new line" for the past year and a half lol. I think the "What products would you like to see us make" has been running for a couple years :wtf:
 
Agreed with ryan and other intelligent members in this thread.

Would all you whiners have rather had eric release the product when the raws didnt come back as well as intended?

Would you have rather had him open up the site without the product writeups?

And regarding the price . . . if its too expensive for you, don't buy it! Stop crying about its price point. We'll see if you guys are still crying when its the only hormonal left on the market (at least the gray market for those who dont want to pin).

Christ, you people will find anything and everything to bitch at wont you?

/rant
 
Jorsn said:
How did you manage to do that? I'm sorry, But this all sounds like a load of crap. I just started following PP a few months ago and ordered A LOT of yalls products. Now i'm beginning to think I made the wrong decision. My gut tells me something fishy is going on here. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me... I'm pretty sure you guys aren't fooling anyone with delay after delay. I do support PP, But cut the crap and let us know whats really going on. All of the PP reps keep assuring everyone that everything is okay but I don't even think you guys really know what is going on behind closed doors.
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I don't even no how to reply to this. I have told you what I know, thank you for purchasing our products and supporting us.
 
ryansm said:
I don't even no how to reply to this. I have told you what I know, thank you for purchasing our products and supporting us.
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im starting to feel bad for you. you need yourself an internet trunk monkey lol
 
specmike said:
Just how did they fool you once or twice? Did the other products you ordered in the past work as advertised or not?

And, just so we're all clear, are you outright calling Ryansm a liar?
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Where did I say that they didn't work? Most of them are sitting in my closet and haven't been opened. Creapure, IBCAA, Beta Alanine and MAP did exactly as I thought they would. I'm saying they are fooling everyone with delay after delay. All of the reps keep saying they will be better then this or that. But have any of them seen the write ups? Or used the products? I for one will try all of the new products because I have been impressed with PP's basic supplements. But how can you say that Androseries is better than something else if you haven't tried it yourself? Do you understand what i'm trying to say? It may sound great on paper but who has actually tried it? I'm assuming no one considering the QC results just came back.

Where did I call him a liar? I feel bad for most of the reps. They shouldn't be the ones making the apologies for the delays considering they have absolutely no control over that. But how do you not back up critical information?
 
ryansm said:
I don't even no how to reply to this. I have told you what I know, thank you for purchasing our products and supporting us.
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It's not your fault that the information got deleted, I understand that. But you shouldn't be the one apologizing for other peoples mistakes. I will continue to support PP.
 
ryansm said:
Again I do not know what else you want me to say. I apologize for the set backs, yes we lost the info, yes we are recovering what we can, yes it is slow, yes we are low on funds from investing in this entire upgrade, yes reps have left, no it is not because of the Androseries...What else do you want me to say? The other reps and myself are trying to be as civil as we can, and answer your questions the best we can. We do not have all of the information ourselves. We expect the site up tomorrow, at that time you guys can decide. These products were expensive to make, not because we are trying to rip you guys off. We made the AndroSeries so that we could still provide you guys with hormones, as this is the future unless you go the illegal route. The FDA is charging people right now for selling SD, even if they quit selling it over a year ago. They have known about SD for years now, and quite honestly they have been waiting for some reason to ban it, so it would appear they want to keep tabs on who produced it and sold it in order to bring charges. The plans are to make all of these illegal through the wording of the law with no way around it. We expect SD like gains from the AndroSeries, is it cheap, no, will it be effective, yes, is it illegal, no, is it toxic, no. Again I apologize, all I ask for you guys to wait and see when the website is up and then ask us any questions you want and make a decision. If you do not want to buy them then that is fine, no one is forcing you.
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About all you can say. Wish you guys luck over the next couple of weeks getting this straight.
 
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