twistid
Member
I meant more along the line that PP claimed the same comparisons with 1-T in the offical PP forum....
It is post #13 in that thread I linked.
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I meant more along the line that PP claimed the same comparisons with 1-T in the offical PP forum....
It is post #13 in that thread I linked.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Just to ask, how much do you think you'd gain with 30mg anavar + 400mg test over 29 days? It doesn't look like Eric said "The same sort of gains you would expect from say… 30mg/day anavar for 6 weeks with 400mg/wk testosterone for 12 weeks"
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Exactly.
jbryand101b
Banned
sigh. I had to stop listening to the s/h/r program when eric started talking about taking steroids before or after a meal, and why.
I am skeptic. what dosages where used to get those numbers?
I am skeptic. what dosages where used to get those numbers?
monstermash
Well-known member
Why would anyone want 81.6mg/week TE ?
I never heard of anyone running such a low dose for thermo purposes.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Dosage has not been announced yet.
From my understanding, it is not for thermogenic puposes, it is for assistance in maintaining muscle while cutting. However, I have not yet seen much of the information on AndroLean, so I can not say for certain.
ambulldog
Well-known member
I knew you guys would enjoy this.
I am just putting together my plans still, looking at a 12 week run here
mine will be minimum 12 weeks with the hard along with my trt dosage of test. the numbers and claims dont mean much to me. as others compared the whole 1t claims to this. i tried 1t and loved it no matter what the claims were. what matters is do you trust this company and do you believe you are getting what you are paying for? with pp that answer is always yes for me.
rochabp
Well-known member
i think the TE is to maintain muscle and i think they added other stuff for the thermo
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Thank you for the kind words!
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Id wait to see write up before consider a female running any of these.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
AndroLEAN is the only product suitable for female usage. On that note, remember that looking towards a supplement should only be done if the female (same goes for males) is NOT a beginner, is already relatively lean, AND has her NUTRITION AND TRAINING are targeted at fat loss - if not, then she should get those in order before considering adding supplements other than the basic staples.
~Rosie~
specmike
Active member
I thought it was debbil, not devil :saevilw:
specmike
Active member
:goodpost:Thanks Rosie and I have bookmarked your article in your link in your sig for future reading.:goodpost:
Her training is good, except when work interferes. She does a good combo of aerobics and weight training. Her strength and muscle tone is excellent. Diet is so-so, could be better, could be worse. She needs to cut back on starches and any carbs in the evening but that too is complicated by work. Also, if there is a good low calorie or sugar free margarita mix, I'm all ears.
But, she's almost 32, and a bit of an mesomorph. After having a kid, she has some stubborn areas that just won't come around. Your standard stimulant caffiene/ephedra fat burners are good for workout energy but she does not drop a lot of weight with them.
We are both wanting to tone up for a cruise in late April 2011. So, a mid to late January NYs resolution is in order. Thanks in advance for any additional help on the subject.
Sorry to derail or threadjack. If we need more info, I'll post a new thread in the correct area after I do some reading in the Women's Fitness and Weight Loss sections. Any additional links or info are appreciated.
Now, back to our scheduled programming.
rochabp
Well-known member
oh my bad
ryansm
Well-known member
Weeks 1-12 Rec. dosing of AndroMass
weeks 1-8 <Haven't decide yet on how long, but rec. dosing of AndroHard
weeks 8-12 Rec. dosing of AndroLean
I will be using ERASE as my AI and only if needed
Pct will be TRS with Toremifene as my SERM, ERASE week 3 DAA first 12 days, and probably bulk divanil and Testofen
HCG 250iu twice weekly
VolcomX311
Legend
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
I had considered stacking as well. I think for now I just want to try the Andromass, but I may change my mind. Targeting 1/18 to run this, so I have time to decide. I am still trying to decide how I want to incorporate TCF-1 as well. In my last PCT, I began it week 3 of PCT and ran it for 24 days. Considering doing it as a post PCT, we shall see.
VolcomX311
Legend
Damn, that's a serious run right there.
rochabp
Well-known member
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Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
One can effectively and successfully lose fat eating starches and carbohydrates in the evening - trust me, I eat most of my carbohydrates within 2-4 hours of going to bed, and if you're familiar with my eating habits, often that can be ~400g of carbohydrates in one meal - OVERALL total caloric intake is more important.
She shouldn't be drinking, but that's just my advice - from being an athlete and not drinking because it essentially makes any training you've done for a week useless, I don't see the point in it.
If she's a mesomorph, then she should have NO trouble losing bodyfat when she wants to - if she's not, then there is something wrong with her nutrition and/or training. Also, being a mesomorph, she will gain muscle mass fairly easily, so if she doesn't lose SCALE weight, but looks leaner, then she's most likely recomping (intentional or not), and whether she loses SCALE weight should NOT be the focus, but her BODY COMPOSITION, since more lean mass and less bodyfat is always the desirable option.
Invalid Link Removed contains all the information and principles she needs to know for effective and successful fat loss - withOUT supplementation.
~Rosie~
Dragon13
Active member
So here's the thing: saying something is the "anabolic bioequivalent of" a certain dose of test e only means 1 thing: that the suggested given dose of this new product will build muscle as effectively as 480 mg/week of test e. While impressive on it's own merits, couldn't we say the same thing about Superdrol? Or Phera? Or any number of current PH/DS, depending on dose?
Superdrol, according to vida, is significantly more anabolic than test, and user reports have confirmed this over the years. Rapid gains in strength and weight are seen. However, test is usually run longer, and will yield greater gains overall because of this fact. If someone were willing to risk jaundice and liver failure, one could run 30 mg of SD for 12 weeks, and I guarantee they will build as much muscle as someone would on 500 mg/week of test. Given, say, a 3-week sample of test e vs Superdrol, SD will be every bit as anabolic as test, or moreso, and therefore we could claim it is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg of test, or 550, or whatever, if looked at only in the given sample window. Likewise, a weaker steroid run for, say, 8 weeks, may be the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg test e per week, but run for 4 weeks. My point in all this: saying one steroid is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of another means nothing without more information.
I say all this as a big fan of PP and it's products, they are one of my "go to" companies for supps, and I'll await the release of the actives in these products with the write-up and references. Now, if the product is the legal anabolic bioequivalent of test e when comparing 12 weeks to 12 weeks, or something similar, with a comparable safety profile as test - well then, PP is about to become very, very wealthy.
But let's just say if the holy grail was out there, don't you think it would have been discovered by now?
onder:
Superdrol, according to vida, is significantly more anabolic than test, and user reports have confirmed this over the years. Rapid gains in strength and weight are seen. However, test is usually run longer, and will yield greater gains overall because of this fact. If someone were willing to risk jaundice and liver failure, one could run 30 mg of SD for 12 weeks, and I guarantee they will build as much muscle as someone would on 500 mg/week of test. Given, say, a 3-week sample of test e vs Superdrol, SD will be every bit as anabolic as test, or moreso, and therefore we could claim it is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg of test, or 550, or whatever, if looked at only in the given sample window. Likewise, a weaker steroid run for, say, 8 weeks, may be the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg test e per week, but run for 4 weeks. My point in all this: saying one steroid is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of another means nothing without more information.
I say all this as a big fan of PP and it's products, they are one of my "go to" companies for supps, and I'll await the release of the actives in these products with the write-up and references. Now, if the product is the legal anabolic bioequivalent of test e when comparing 12 weeks to 12 weeks, or something similar, with a comparable safety profile as test - well then, PP is about to become very, very wealthy.
But let's just say if the holy grail was out there, don't you think it would have been discovered by now?
onder:
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
So here's the thing: saying something is the "anabolic bioequivalent of" a certain dose of test e only means 1 thing: that the suggested given dose of this new product will build muscle as effectively as 480 mg/week of test e. While impressive on it's own merits, couldn't we say the same thing about Superdrol? Or Phera? Or any number of current PH/DS, depending on dose?
Superdrol, according to vida, is significantly more anabolic than test, and user reports have confirmed this over the years. Rapid gains in strength and weight are seen. However, test is usually run longer, and will yield greater gains overall because of this fact. If someone were willing to risk jaundice and liver failure, one could run 30 mg of SD for 12 weeks, and I guarantee they will build as much muscle as someone would on 500 mg/week of test. Given, say, a 3-week sample of test e vs Superdrol, SD will be every bit as anabolic as test, or moreso, and therefore we could claim it is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg of test, or 550, or whatever, if looked at only in the given sample window. Likewise, a weaker steroid run for, say, 8 weeks, may be the "anabolic bioequivalent" of 480 mg test e per week, but run for 4 weeks. My point in all this: saying one steroid is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of another means nothing without more information.
I say all this as a big fan of PP and it's products, they are one of my "go to" companies for supps, and I'll await the release of the actives in these products with the write-up and references. Now, if the product is the legal anabolic bioequivalent of test e when comparing 12 weeks to 12 weeks, or something similar, with a comparable safety profile as test - well then, PP is about to become very, very wealthy.
But let's just say if the holy grail was out there, don't you think it would have been discovered by now?
If everyone always thought in line with your last comment, then there exists no reason to look for cures, etc...If they existed, they would have already been found.
Also, the Superdrol comparison you made is missing the big point here, this is not methylated.
ryansm
Well-known member
I fail to see your point, maybe I am missing something? Orals have always existed, dbol for instance, yet injectibles are still the meat and potatoes. We aren't talking about methylated designer steroids, we are talking about the same gains with DSHEA compliant products, as well as the parent target hormone being Testosterone at least one of them, the other aspect of AndroMass still to be announced.
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
Assuming propper support, HCG consideration, etc... I can't see why not. I will be doing a 12 weeker
Dragon13
Active member
I know, I mentioned that. Perhaps you missed it, along with my point, which is: saying a compound is the "anabolic bioequivalent" of a given dose of test e is meaningless without a frame of reference. That is exactly the same thing as saying, "AndroMass will build as much muscle as 480 mg of test e". But of course, it's not phrased like that, because then everyone would see the obvious disconnect, which is the time frame.
See above, but you also make a good point I was unaware of (haven't been following this all that closely). If AndroMass is a PH to test with a solid coversion rate, and still DSHEA compliant... well then PP will have succeeded where a lot of other very sharp chemists have failed. If that's the case it's got to be a 2-step conversion, I'm intrigued to say the least.
Again, I'll withhold judgement until the release. But please tell me you understand how the "anabolic bioequivalent" phrase has no real meaning, unless you qualify it with a time frame.
ambulldog
Well-known member
ill be buying these products but i wouldnt dare drop my test and replace with these
specmike
Active member
Trauma1, I do have a request. When you guys do launch, take preorders, etc can you either start a new thread and/or update the first post on page 1 of this one? The information will quickly be buried by the barrage of posts that are surely to follow the real info. I'm considering a preorder or early order and I'm following this thread. But, the pages are rolling by quickly and it's getting harder to find the useful posts.
Happy Holidays All :bling:
Happy Holidays All :bling:
Gym4Life
Active member
agreed please post another thread on release of these products im sure they will anyway
RipdnTxs
Member
I,m with u Ambulldog, why would we drop TRT, unless to see how effective these are on their own, but for me I,l be keeping my twice weekly injections going the whole time. I think for me the androhard is going to b my first choice, assuming I can run it with my other prescription meds....
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Trauma1
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FL3X MAGNUM
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When is PP releasing that state of the art transdermal HCG cream? 
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
When is PP releasing that state of the art transdermal HCG cream?
That would be excellent. Especially to go along with this new line-up and the idea of longer cycles. Just saying....:afro:
ambulldog
Well-known member
yep androhard will be my first run with my test. how long? ill see how i feel but somewhere between 10-16 weeks
RipdnTxs
Member
Wow 10-16 weeks, definitely keep us updated on that run, wonder how friendly it will b on the hairline. Hey PP I may have missed this somewhere, but what ever happened to Hair Gen ?????
HereToStudy
Primordial Performance Rep
From the words of Eric:
prld2gr8ns
Idiot Savant
Nice. Looking forward to hear and learning about the conversion rates.
BigBlackGuy
Well-known member
Andromass + superdrone = muscle explosions
Trauma1
Legend
Trauma1
Legend
We're really looking forward to the AndroSeries release. There has been a lot of hard work, money, and effort put into this project. The finished product of all those sacrifices is about to manifest.
I know what I want for my birthday (January 1st.)
Oh the combinations that will be possible when stacking these products. Just wait till you see the write-ups!
It's times like this that I'm both proud and honored to be part of Primordial Performance!
-John
I know what I want for my birthday (January 1st.)
Oh the combinations that will be possible when stacking these products. Just wait till you see the write-ups!
It's times like this that I'm both proud and honored to be part of Primordial Performance!
-John