The case for DMAA - thoughts?

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^ great post FP as always.

Good to see you by the way. ;)
 
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Excellent points!
 
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There's been an update posted at priceplow, as well as a youtube video, for anyone interested. Basically, they denied hi-tech's appeal to get their confiscated DMAA back.
 
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Because many people in the government want to control and decide everything you do without admitting it in court. Who's healthier Arnold or Mitch Connor? They dedicate themselves to making things difficult.
 
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A few reasons, some with lots of supporting evidence, others from just my personal observations & intuition.

The obvious and widely-supported reason they ban what works is because large pharma corporations can't make money on it when its on the open market and as you'd expect, they lobby congress and pay the FDA/DEA (probably through shell companies & kick-backs). Examples?

That Red Yeast Rice extract was a good one that turns out had the active ingredient lovastatin and monocolin K found naturally in the supp - compounds that were marketed as a drug Mevacor. Mevacor cried to the feds that such a natural product existed as a $10 supplement rather than the absurd amount they charged as a result of cornering the market through what we call "prescriptions". So now, those supplement companies that sell RYR are supposed to remove the active ingredients before distribution of the product. Not all of them do, of course, but the legal noise certainly made everyone think it was being adequately regulated.

Another one in the works is Kratom. About a month or so after Smith Kline finished up with a super-concentrated extract of the active alkaloids in Kratom, the DEA goes to squealing about its dangers.... Right....

Then they make up a bunch of false claims to validate their position to ban it and so it goes.

As for synthetic masculine sex hormones - isn't it obvious why the government (and media) wants to rid these from our access? Given the war on manhood (and boyhood) and given that test and its derivatives cause positive benefits to our dopamine/serotonin output which leads to and encourages (in many) critical thinking, spatial thinking, memory function, reduction in depression & anxiety, & an increase in confidence.

Tell me, do you think the elite class wants the average joe to:

1) become stronger
2) become smarter
3) become more visually appealing

???? That's why such great things are "off limits" to society, lol, because over time, steroids address each of the things that the elite believe separates them from the rest. Smart, good-looking & influential (or powerful). Think about it.
Great info!
 
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I stocked up just in case, however my hopes are that since this whole issue was brought up from a ridiculous cause, it will hopefully be very quickly resolved
Yeah, same here!
 
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Since this was posted so long ago... It's known that it is not good and I woudn't take it long term, whatsoever
Not really sure what you are getting at with this statement "It's known that it is not good", care to site some sources?
 
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Anecdotal observation is its to powerful and users and manufactuers are all culpable.

I am an engineer with 30 yrs experience with precision instruments. I have a digital jewelrs scale accurate to +/- .002mg. I dilute in an accurate solution. If or when I mis dose my powder or syringe by 10-20mg I know it.

I've spoken to many message board guys who have less than a 4th grade grasp on math language and life in general.

Wtf do you think they ban this stuff?!
 
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I'm about halfway through my last bottle of Lipodrene Elite and REALLY said it's no longer offered. I love how I feel when taking that. It's a clean and subtle energy, nothing that makes me wired (I hate feeling wired).

What are some good options to replace LE with?
 
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I'm about halfway through my last bottle of Lipodrene Elite and REALLY said it's no longer offered. I love how I feel when taking that. It's a clean and subtle energy, nothing that makes me wired (I hate feeling wired).

What are some good options to replace LE with?
It will likely be back before too long. They have been reformulating all of their prior DMAA fat burners with DMHA. Quite a few are already out, so the rest should not be too far behind.
 
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It will likely be back before too long. They have been reformulating all of their prior DMAA fat burners with DMHA. Quite a few are already out, so the rest should not be too far behind.
I like dmha, so this is a good thing, imo!!!
 
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I'm about halfway through my last bottle of Lipodrene Elite and REALLY said it's no longer offered. I love how I feel when taking that. It's a clean and subtle energy, nothing that makes me wired (I hate feeling wired).

What are some good options to replace LE with?
In the meantime, it’s unfortunate that Myokem Pyroxamine is not currently available, as I know that you don’t like stim bombs.

You may want to take a look at NutraKey Tru Burn, or Chaos and Pain Cannibal Inferno (either version) as 1 capsule would be just 100mg caffeine so you would have versatility with dosing..
 
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I've googled it, but can some of you guys that are a little smarter than me explain DMHA?
 
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It is always sad when the FDA has to step in and change things. DMAA was effective for a lot of people that used it. Hope things go in favor of Hi-Tech.
 
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People seem to be getting good effects from some of the newer formulas of products that are using DMHA in place of traditional DMAA... might have to check some of the new stuff out myself as it has me pretty curious
 
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People seem to be getting good effects from some of the newer formulas of products that are using DMHA in place of traditional DMAA... might have to check some of the new stuff out myself as it has me pretty curious
Hydroxy Elite with DMHA is going over EXTREMELY well with fans right now, definitely give it a go
 
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Hydroxy Elite with DMHA is going over EXTREMELY well with fans right now, definitely give it a go
thats what i've been hearing! any good preworkout formulas using DMHA that youve come across so far?
 
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I'm not seeing Hydroxy Elite with DMHA on the Hi-Tech site. Just Hydroxy Elite. And when I look at the ingredients, I don't see DMHA.

Hydroxy Elite with DMHA is going over EXTREMELY well with fans right now, definitely give it a go
 
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Tried DMHA and felt to jittery, don't experience that with DMMA
 
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thats what i've been hearing! any good preworkout formulas using DMHA that youve come across so far?
None off the top of my head, but if/when they pop up I will post some in here!

I'm not seeing Hydroxy Elite with DMHA on the Hi-Tech site. Just Hydroxy Elite. And when I look at the ingredients, I don't see DMHA.

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available on various website retailers currently. We're not selling as much direct right now, and instead focusing customers to go to our trusted retailers to help build customer relations.
 
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I'm still not seeing DMHA. Is it known by another name? Or am I just being blind?

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available on various website retailers currently. We're not selling as much direct right now, and instead focusing customers to go to our trusted retailers to help build customer relations.
 
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DMHA as the 5 version

I’m a repp for CATEGORY5 , so check out our pre-workout with the 2-Amino-5-methylheptane version of DMHA (the naturally sourced and more potent form) called HURRICANE (THECATEGORY5.com) . Recommend taking some caffeine with it to help act on the teacrine. I take 3 capsules of their riptide which is 300mg of caffeine total and two scoops and it’s awesome. Works great on its own too.
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I’m a repp for CATEGORY5 , so check out our pre-workout with the 2-Amino-5-methylheptane version of DMHA (the naturally sourced and more potent form) called HURRICANE (THECATEGORY5.com) . Recommend taking some caffeine with it to help act on the teacrine. I take 3 capsules of their riptide which is 300mg of caffeine total and two scoops and it’s awesome. Works great on its own too.View attachment 162642
Boy if i’ve ever seen a non-compliant label lmfao.. doesnt even have caffeine listed as an ingredient
 
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Boy if i’ve ever seen a non-compliant label lmfao.. doesnt even have caffeine listed as an ingredient
Boy if i’ve ever seen a non-compliant label lmfao.. doesnt even have caffeine listed as an ingredient
Yea because there’s no caffeine in it. Like I said, I took another product that contained the caffeine. The label is 100% compliant, if you see something that you feel needs to be questioned feel free to contact me.
 
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Yea because there’s no caffeine in it. Like I said, I took another product that contained the caffeine. The label is 100% compliant, if you see something that you feel needs to be questioned feel free to contact me.
why bother doing that when there are already preworkouts that include both DMHA and caffeine?

thats probably an extra step a lot of users wont be willing to take
 
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why bother doing that when there are already preworkouts that include both DMHA and caffeine?

thats probably an extra step a lot of users wont be willing to take
Yes, we’re including an updated version that will include a more diverse profile, but this version was aimed at users looking for something to take in conjunction with a pre-workout or Intra - workout to enhance the effects of their caffeinated pres. A lot of users drink coffee pre-workout with their breakfast before a morning workout so they wanted something they could take with their coffee , which this enhances the effects of that caffeine without a riskier- high dose. Definitely appreciate the advice though
 
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Yes, we’re including an updated version that will include a more diverse profile, but this version was aimed at users looking for something to take in conjunction with a pre-workout or Intra - workout to enhance the effects of their caffeinated pres. A lot of users drink coffee pre-workout with their breakfast before a morning workout so they wanted something they could take with their coffee , which this enhances the effects of that caffeine without a riskier- high dose. Definitely appreciate the advice though
ahh ok i can see where its application can come in handy in a scenario like that

might also be good for those guys that work out late at night that dont want to get to stimmed up

thanks for the explanation bud, that made a lot more sense
 
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why bother doing that when there are already preworkouts that include both DMHA and caffeine?

thats probably an extra step a lot of users wont be willing to take
i hate and never by products that contain caffeine. Its cheap nasty and masks the ineffectiveness and or underdose of the other stims.
 
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i hate and never by products that contain caffeine. Its cheap nasty and masks the ineffectiveness and or underdose of the other stims.
caffeine is a well known performance enhancer.
 
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I’m about to take a stim right now! I just need to decide which ones and how many..

I have painting to do!
What are your options these days?
 
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caffeine is a well known performance enhancer.
It's also well know that some don't tolerate it well. I can take lots of other things combined without caffeine and have no adverse effects. Add caffeine and sides. Too much caffeine solo...sides. Thanks but no thanks.
 
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It's also well know that some don't tolerate it well.
lol...the same could be said for most everything, but the VAST majority do tolerate it well.

hell, caffeine is in almost everything these days!!!
 
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lol...the same could be said for most everything, but the VAST majority do tolerate it well.

hell, caffeine is in almost everything these days!!!
its understood.

So what does that have to do with me and my intolerance and desire to avoid it?
 
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caffeine is a well known performance enhancer.
Yup, one of the most proven, and it actually has a very good safety profile and other benefits.
lol...the same could be said for most everything, but the VAST majority do tolerate it well.

hell, caffeine is in almost everything these days!!!
This. Some people are allergic to peanuts, does that mean they're bad?
 
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its understood.

So what does that have to do with me and my intolerance and desire to avoid it?
Perhaps because the way you worded your post made it sound like you were bashing caffeine and saying it's junk? Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's not effective or good for most people.
 
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Perhaps because the way you worded your post made it sound like you were bashing caffeine and saying it's junk? Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's not effective or good for most people.
Read what I said! Perhaps its you and your interpretation.

i hate and never by products that contain caffeine. Its cheap nasty and masks the ineffectiveness and or underdose of the other stims.
Cheap - yes, very inexpensive.
Nasty - yeah, products containing 400-500mg of caffeine per serving is nasty on top of cheap.
Excessive amonts of caffeine can MASK innefectiveness of other stimulants contained.

No where did I say what you are suggesting.
 
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Read what I said! Perhaps its you and your interpretation.


Cheap - yes, very inexpensive.
Nasty - yeah, products containing 400-500mg of caffeine per serving is nasty on top of cheap.
Excessive amonts of caffeine can MASK innefectiveness of other stimulants contained.

No where did I say what you are suggesting.
But caffeine is a more effective ergogenic aid than pretty much any other legal stimulant...

You didn't say too much caffeine is nasty, you said "its" nasty. I agree 400-500mg caffeine on top of other stimulants is excessive, but 300-something mg is actually a pretty moderate dose in the realm of what's used for improving power output, although that's without other stimulants added.
 

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