The Adventures of Judo Josh

bluehealer said:
I trained this way for about 10 months. I don't feel I got anything out of it. No size, weight gain, or strength. But... everyone responds differently.
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, WOW! 10 months is a long time to keep trying something that isnt working, I plan on 16 weeks and if nothing then I will ditch the idea. I never committed to something like this before so would like to see how it is for myself. My favorite year round style is the conjugate method and if I am doing linear periodization it is 5/3/1 but this is something I have been meaning to try out. Like you said everyone responds differently right

EasyEJL said:
if you want to try something interesting after the epsom salts you can try this

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same stuff that the topical magnesium "oil" is made from. has a lot of interesting effects, including raising serum DHEA levels
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Thanks, they look like they are worth a try. Something I have read about before and would love to try is some salt from the Dead Sea, it is supposed to have a ridiculous amount of minerals in there and be totally refreshing for the body. I dont know if it is a scam and selling based of the popularity of the healing power of the actual dead sea or if the salts from there really do help. My grandmom and father in-law have both been in the red sea before and rave about it

Thanks for the link though, Mike Mahler sells a magnesium oil that is pretty pricey and swanson looks like the have something similar and cheaper too :D

Mrodz said:
THANK YOU!! I tried to rep but I have to apparently spred some around first LOL, saving the whole list :D
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Just glad I could help, just dont blame me if you buy a book and you end up hating it :ntome:
 
A lot of people seem to really love that mag oil, let us know if you end up trying it Josh, would love to hear your thoughts on the product.
 
Because of it raising DHEA levels, its particularly beneficial for the over 30 crowd, but has other benefits too.
 
i use the magnesium oil but i find it somewhat inconvenient. for some reason i get this white residue powder once it dries on my skin so I have to do it either before a shower or wash it off afterwards.
 
JudoJosh said:
, WOW! 10 months is a long time to keep trying something that isnt working, I plan on 16 weeks and if nothing then I will ditch the idea. I never committed to something like this before so would like to see how it is for myself. My favorite year round style is the conjugate method and if I am doing linear periodization it is 5/3/1 but this is something I have been meaning to try out. Like you said everyone responds differently right
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I really wasn't trying it for any specific reason, it's just the way I trained. I didn't have a "routine" to speak of at the time. Just did what I felt like doing that day. I guess I was bored with the whole workout thing for a while so I just mixed it up.
 
Josh! Don't let it die brother too much good convo in here.
 
JudgementDay said:
A lot of people seem to really love that mag oil, let us know if you end up trying it Josh, would love to hear your thoughts on the product.
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EasyEJL said:
Because of it raising DHEA levels, its particularly beneficial for the over 30 crowd, but has other benefits too.
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AntonG42O said:
i use the magnesium oil but i find it somewhat inconvenient. for some reason i get this white residue powder once it dries on my skin so I have to do it either before a shower or wash it off afterwards.
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First.. Thanks Easy for posting the site. It is AMAZING!!! I have a order in already and added some Magnesium oil to it.

Magnesium is an unbelievably important mineral for all sorts of body processes. Here is a quick study

Dietary Magnesium and C-reactive Protein Levels
Dana E. King, MD, Arch G. Mainous, III, PhD, Mark E. Geesey, MS and Robert F. Woolson, PhD

Department of Family Medicine (D.E.K., A.G.M., M.E.G.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina
Department of Biometry, Bioinfomatics, and Epidemiology (R.F.W.), Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina

Address correspondence to: Dana E. King, MD, Department of Family Medicine, Medical University of South Carolina, 295 Calhoun Street, PO Box 250192, Charleston, SC 29425. E-mail: [email protected]

Objective: Current dietary guidelines recommend adequate intake of magnesium (310–420mg daily) in order to maintain health and lower the risk of cardiovascular disease. Recent evidence from animal and clinical studies suggests that magnesium may be associated with inflammatory processes. The objective of this study was to determine whether dietary magnesium consumption is associated with C-reactive protein (CRP), a marker of inflammation, in a nationally representative sample.

Methods: Analysis of adult (≥17 years) participants in a cross-sectional nationally representative survey (National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 1999–2000 [NHANES]) who were not taking magnesium or magnesium-containing supplements. The primary outcome measure was high sensitivity CRP (elevated ≥3.0mg/L).

Results: Among US adults, 68% consumed less than the recommended daily allowance (RDA) of magnesium, and 19% consumed less than 50% of the RDA. After controlling for demographic and cardiovascular risk factors, adults who consumed <RDA of magnesium were 1.48–1.75 times more likely to have elevated CRP than adults who consumed ≥RDA (Odds Ratio [OR] for intake <50% RDA = 1.75, 95% Confidence Interval [CI] 1.08–2.87). Adults who were over age 40 with a BMI >25 and who consumed <50% RDA for magnesium were 2.24 times more likely to have elevated CRP (95% CI 1.13–4.46) than adults ≥RDA.

Conclusions: Most Americans consume magnesium at levels below the RDA. Individuals with intakes below the RDA are more likely to have elevated CRP, which may contribute to cardiovascular disease risk
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This shows that as consumption of magnesium fell, the levels of C-reactive protein went up, which is a measure of inflammation. This looks great for the heart!

Hundreds of enzymes use magnesium for everything from regulating potassium status, as a calcium channel blocker, helps blood pressure stay down and blood vessels stay pliable, builds bones, and as an anti-inflammatory just to list a few :D

There is also a belief that "Metabolic Syndrome" is nothing but a result of a magnesium deficiency. ( Metabolic syndrome is a name for a group of risk factors that occur together and increase the risk for coronary artery disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes.)

I can literally go on and on on the benefits of magnesium supplementation but I wont :( Instead I suggest you pick up this book Invalid Link Removed

In regards to Easy comment on DHEA levels the book states:

“as magnesium is absorbed through the skin and underlying fatty tissues of the body it sets off many chain reactions, one of which ends in the production of DHEA.”
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Here is a link to the study that shows that magnesium oil ramps up DHEA levels: Invalid Link Removed
 
AntonG42O said:
you left out the Primal Blueprint from that book list!!
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I only didnt list it because I dont own it, havent read it, and dont really plan too. In hindsight I should have listed his website though Invalid Link Removed, I have been told several times that his blog is just as, if not more informative then his book.

His blog is an awesome source of information and I use it all the time.

bluehealer said:
I really wasn't trying it for any specific reason, it's just the way I trained. I didn't have a "routine" to speak of at the time. Just did what I felt like doing that day. I guess I was bored with the whole workout thing for a while so I just mixed it up.
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While UND may seem random there is planning involved, its all about manipulation of the sets, reps, and intensity of workouts it just isnt done in a linear fashion as most other popular workouts are done.

MrKleen73 said:
Josh! Don't let it die brother too much good convo in here.
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Chris thanks for bumping this brotha!!!

I have been busy in my reading and honestly forgot about this log. I blame it entirely on you though!! I have been reading up on nutrition more since our conversation in Andres thread and also on this whole IF diet concept.

So far I have been doing this fasted diet for about a week and playing with various ideas and concepts. I have been reading Hoffmecklers book and through the leangains site, which BTW his postings are somewhat encryptic, there is info to be found in the site but it is sort of spread out and broken up in pieces.

I have been forming a version of it myself based upon my readings and will be posting the outline along with the reasoning and will be trying it out.
 
JudoJosh said:
I only didnt list it because I dont own it, havent read it, and dont really plan too. In hindsight I should have listed his website though Invalid Link Removed, I have been told several times that his blog is just as, if not more informative then his book.

His blog is an awesome source of information and I use it all the time.



While UND may seem random there is planning involved, its all about manipulation of the sets, reps, and intensity of workouts it just isnt done in a linear fashion as most other popular workouts are done.



Chris thanks for bumping this brotha!!!

I have been busy in my reading and honestly forgot about this log. I blame it entirely on you though!! I have been reading up on nutrition more since our conversation in Andres thread and also on this whole IF diet concept.

So far I have been doing this fasted diet for about a week and playing with various ideas and concepts. I have been reading Hoffmecklers book and through the leangains site, which BTW his postings are somewhat encryptic, there is info to be found in the site but it is sort of spread out and broken up in pieces.

I have been forming a version of it myself based upon my readings and will be posting the outline along with the reasoning and will be trying it out.
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Yes he is very cryptic in that he has a book to sell later, and that he makes 450 for giving you the plan for cutting, and or bulking and how to adjust things for yourself. However it is only for cutting, or if bulking only for bulking to get both pieces of info would be $900, and to get him to accept you as an online consulting deal you pay 750 the first month and 400 monthly afterwards. So I understand why all of the cryptic info. He has a gold mine there and he is trying to protect it. I am wondering at this point if he will bother with the book since he has a 6 month waiting period before he even responded to my request. Just to many other inquiries... Although, If you don't mind jumping around a lot you can find what you need but you have to work for it.

I will have to check into that site you mentioned above.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes he is very cryptic in that he has a book to sell later, and that he makes 450 for giving you the plan for cutting, and or bulking and how to adjust things for yourself. However it is only for cutting, or if bulking only for bulking to get both pieces of info would be $900, and to get him to accept you as an online consulting deal you pay 750 the first month and 400 monthly afterwards. So I understand why all of the cryptic info. He has a gold mine there and he is trying to protect it. I am wondering at this point if he will bother with the book since he has a 6 month waiting period before he even responded to my request. Just to many other inquiries... Although, If you don't mind jumping around a lot you can find what you need but you have to work for it.

I will have to check into that site you mentioned above.
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I remember reading you posting that before, its insane I think but if the dude has a 6 month waiting list at $750-$900 a pop why on earth would he write a book. I know I wouldnt if I was him

Anyway I have been doing this fasting diet and have come to a couple realizations, mostly about myself.

First, I have to workout first thing in the morning. If I wait until later on in the day closer to my feed time I drag my feet like crazy and just cant get the drive to MAKE myself do it. I think if I am going to be doing evening lifts I will need to have a meal or two prior to the lift and then have my big feast meal afterwards

Second thing is I have NO self control what so ever. I have actually GAINED weight on this diet. My problem is I am using it as an excuse to just binge eat and think its all good as long as I get my protein I can eat whatever. This obviously is wrong. What I need to do is add structure and planning to my meals still until I have a better grasp of the game plan.​

So moving forward I am going to be trying a few different things:

I am going to go somewhat low carb with my feedings. Going to start off with 6 low carb days and 1 high carb days. The low carb days wont be keto low as I still plan on getting 2 servings of fruit in, possibly more. I am thinking around 100g carbs on these days. Then I will have 1 higher carb day filled with potatoes and quinoa, thinking around 250g carbs. Still working it out and nothing is solid yet.

Thinking I will work some kind of rotation in between high carb/low fat, low carb/ high fat and low carb/low fat/ high protein. I will elaborate more on what I am thinking about this later on but for now its still up in the air and tryna figure it out myself. I have to see if carbs play any role in the feasting portion of the diet.

As for the fasting period of the diet, I believe it isnt truly a fasting period or at least HAS to be a fasting period but a under eating period. I have some EAA mix laying around and am going to go with this mix for my meals:
10g EAA
10g BCAA
10g Glutamine
3g Taurine
1g ALCAR​

And am even considering adding in a cup of berries and some protein about 10mins after this. If I keep the GI of the meal low and the overall calories low I dont think it would inhibit cAMP, which seems to be the hormone that is the target of this whole fasting purpose. Something like a cup of blueberries and 25g casein is what I am thinking. However I may be allergic to casein in which I will go with egg protein. The goal is get a long enough sustained amino acid influx so I need a protein that is slow digesting. I also am going to be adding some fish oil throughout the day as well.

This is all just ideas at this stage and nothing is really set in stone yet. Still reading and trying to figure stuff out.

For now I am going to be doing just the above amino mix and not do the protein and berries meal. I will add that in later and see how my progress changes. I think fat loss will be greater without it but not sure how significant the difference will be and think the protein and berries meal will help maintain and build mass more effectively. As for the overeating portion I am still trying to figure out if carbs have any impact, specifically on cGMP. I am currently not active in Judo or BJJ so I dont think glycogen is a worry for me and should restore on its own and I wouldnt need the extra carbs. I think moving forward I am going to go with only 2 servings of fruit and limit my carb intake and then after a week or 2 gradually add to it and see how I respond.
 
dude for $900 he better be providing daily e-handjobs because no nutritional advice is worth that much. its called do your own research and experiment.
 
The one the is 450 a month covers both bulking and cutting. But a one time fee of 450 only buys you a cutting or bulking plan and his guidelnes for how to adjust.
 
SHAMELESS WYKED LOG PROMOTION!!!!

Hey, just wanted to extend an invite to my new log.

I am going to go down to 6% and a lot of the journey will be in this log.
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AntonG42O said:
dude for $900 he better be providing daily e-handjobs because no nutritional advice is worth that much. its called do your own research and experiment.
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I agree I think the services of a nutritional planner is more for those who compete rather then the everyday Joe schmoo IMO but if you look at others in his industry such as Shelby Starnes even at $900 it's not a bad price just not something I would ever need or do.

MrKleen73 said:
The one the is 450 a month covers both bulking and cutting. But a one time fee of 450 only buys you a cutting or bulking plan and his guidelnes for how to adjust.
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Compared to others at $450 that's a steal! I am intrigued into what methods he uses with it, I was wondering if somehow one can combine the concept of carb cycling and IF together to make a nice recomp/cut diet. I am thinking of trying this myself with maybe somehow combining one of the scivation diet books with IF and just double or triple the scivation suggested meal as a fast break meal and use there carb refeed outline every 3rd day. What you think kleen?
 
I honestly think the $20-30k that poliquin charges for a year is probably worth more, as at least he does blood tests for everything on you to determine what sort of vitamin/mineral/etc supplementation will do you most good. Like does anyone really think that for the $450 he's doing much more than customizing his existing diet based on your caloric needs? i'd bet a significant amount of $ that its not unique per client other than total cals
 
AntonG42O said:
dude for $900 he better be providing daily e-handjobs because no nutritional advice is worth that much. its called do your own research and experiment.
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I agree %100... Bodybuilding is pretty simple as long as you're not a lazy ass. Eat lots of lean protein and lift weights. I never spent a dollar on a personal trainer.
 
JudoJosh said:
Compared to others at $450 that's a steal! I am intrigued into what methods he uses with it, I was wondering if somehow one can combine the concept of carb cycling and IF together to make a nice recomp/cut diet. I am thinking of trying this myself with maybe somehow combining one of the scivation diet books with IF and just double or triple the scivation suggested meal as a fast break meal and use there carb refeed outline every 3rd day. What you think kleen?
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Well even as a life style diet it is very ewasy to manage and adapt too. I am doing it more lifestyle in that I eat the way I want to with in reason. If I see more on my abs than I want I clean it up quickly I think basically applying most tenants of normal body building diet and keep calories estimated within specific ranges I add in the meals I like or want and take away elsewhere for caloric intake or simply decide if it is something I need to bother myself with depending on everything else going on. I a major workout just ensued I am not worried about an extra 300 over my daily intake planned. However on lower eating days I am more concerned with keeping it a low calories day with adequate protein.

I think you have mentioned going overboard with this one. Well as to where the Warrior allows you to simply eat until you don't want any more, but you can't have that philosophy here with double the eating hours. You will easily put away more then your caloric needs. If dieting try 2000, and 2500-2700 cals respectively for non training and weight training days give that two weeks and see how it works for you. If you feel to restrictive then add some calories or remove them depending on what you think.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Hey, just wanted to extend an invite to my new log.

I am going to go down to 6% and a lot of the journey will be in this log.
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Already there brah and anxious to be a part of your journey :thumbsup:

EasyEJL said:
I honestly think the $20-30k that poliquin charges for a year is probably worth more, as at least he does blood tests for everything on you to determine what sort of vitamin/mineral/etc supplementation will do you most good. Like does anyone really think that for the $450 he's doing much more than customizing his existing diet based on your caloric needs? i'd bet a significant amount of $ that its not unique per client other than total cals
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DAMN!!! 30K a year for nutrition advice? Now that is insane!!!

I have read very little of poliquins work (I have the poliquin principles and have read various articles) BTW fun fact here, did you know poliquin is a strong endorser of the paleo diet and being gluten free? Why spend $30k when I have been trying to tell you the same thing for a while now.. :D

StakedCop said:
I agree %100... Bodybuilding is pretty simple as long as you're not a lazy ass. Eat lots of lean protein and lift weights. I never spent a dollar on a personal trainer.
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JudoJosh said:
DAMN!!! 30K a year for nutrition advice? Now that is insane!!!

I have read very little of poliquins work (I have the poliquin principles and have read various articles) BTW fun fact here, did you know poliquin is a strong endorser of the paleo diet and being gluten free? Why spend $30k when I have been trying to tell you the same thing for a while now.. :D
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with him its the whole enchilada though, a customized nutrition and training program based on complete total bloodwork. So everything is tailored to bring your body to optimal performance. I've talked to a couple of athletes who used him and they felt it was worth it. One of them said it was what got him into the professional leagues. I'd never pay that, but at least with the bloodwork and true custom tailoring it makes sense that he charges a bunch.

I dunno if you noticed me mentioning it, but i'm going "gluten light" now as i'm switching out as much as I can of my grains for quinoa. Even bought flour to make my own breads, rolls, etc. Primarily doing it for the ecdysterone, but its also nice to have the extra protein from quinoa too.
 
EasyEJL said:
with him its the whole enchilada though, a customized nutrition and training program based on complete total bloodwork. So everything is tailored to bring your body to optimal performance. I've talked to a couple of athletes who used him and they felt it was worth it. One of them said it was what got him into the professional leagues. I'd never pay that, but at least with the bloodwork and true custom tailoring it makes sense that he charges a bunch.

I dunno if you noticed me mentioning it, but i'm going "gluten light" now as i'm switching out as much as I can of my grains for quinoa. Even bought flour to make my own breads, rolls, etc. Primarily doing it for the ecdysterone, but its also nice to have the extra protein from quinoa too.
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Maybe it's just me, but is there a way to not make quinoa taste like dirt?
 
Rodja said:
Maybe it's just me, but is there a way to not make quinoa taste like dirt?
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for the most part not without something high in sodium. The Goya Sazon packets work pretty well. Other than that some of the Mrs Dash seasonings end up not being too bad. One trick that is kind of interesting is that quinoa's taste seems milder when its cold. So making it as a cold salad with sliced peppers + onions and some olive oil drizzled over might work better.
 
I'll just stick with the red potatoes for my refeeds. Few things are as yummy as red potatoes fried in EVCO with some avocado on top.
 
Nice!
 
JudoJosh said:
I have always been a fan of fasted training. What first introduced me to this was a couple post by Mulletsolider on the topic of fasted training along with anabolic pump and the possible fat loss benfits.

I tried this and had great results with it but wanted to figure out more of why it worked and see if I could duplicate it with another cheaper product and in comes Berberine.

One of the reason I believe why Anabolic Pump was successful for weightloss when combined with fasted training was Anbolic Pumps ability to activate AMPk.



So my theory is that the reason Anabolic Pump was successful for weight loss when combined with fasted training was because it activated AMPk.

How does AMPk help with fat loss?



So what does have to do with Berberine?

Berberine Increases Glucose Uptake Independent of Insulin and also activates AMPk









So the plan is fasted training combined with barberine should help with my fat loss goal.
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I see you enjoy my posts and Mulletsoldier's as you use these often and on different websites. That's fine and thank you for the support! I would only suggest that you properly cite and credit the quotes, as is standard practice. Cheers!
 
EasyEJL said:
with him its the whole enchilada though, a customized nutrition and training program based on complete total bloodwork. So everything is tailored to bring your body to optimal performance. I've talked to a couple of athletes who used him and they felt it was worth it. One of them said it was what got him into the professional leagues. I'd never pay that, but at least with the bloodwork and true custom tailoring it makes sense that he charges a bunch.

I dunno if you noticed me mentioning it, but i'm going "gluten light" now as i'm switching out as much as I can of my grains for quinoa. Even bought flour to make my own breads, rolls, etc. Primarily doing it for the ecdysterone, but its also nice to have the extra protein from quinoa too.
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That is interesting to hear of athletes stories.

Take it from someone who has done a lot of his courses, the testing that he goes to is extraordinarily extensive. I have heard a coach who charges about $300 per hour (he is UK based) talk about problems he has had and the troubleshooting Charles can do is incredible. Things like "from testing I have done people from that ethnic group often have a serious deficiency in..."

As standard he said something along the lines of "if your client won't do an RBC magnesium, RBC zinc and 25(OH)Vitamin D test then don't even waste your time with them".
 
bdcc said:
That is interesting to hear of athletes stories.

Take it from someone who has done a lot of his courses, the testing that he goes to is extraordinarily extensive. I have heard a coach who charges about $300 per hour (he is UK based) talk about problems he has had and the troubleshooting Charles can do is incredible. Things like "from testing I have done people from that ethnic group often have a serious deficiency in..."

As standard he said something along the lines of "if your client won't do an RBC magnesium, RBC zinc and 25(OH)Vitamin D test then don't even waste your time with them".
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he is kinda nuts with it, but its hard to argue with results. And when you look at pro athlete salaries, even $25k/yr is a worthwhile investment
 
strategicmove said:
I see you enjoy my posts and Mulletsoldier's as you use these often and on different websites. That's fine and thank you for the support! I would only suggest that you properly cite and credit the quotes, as is standard practice. Cheers!
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LOVE THEM!

I am a HUGE advocate of fasted training combined with Anabolic Pump and BCAAs thanks to this protocol.

I did not mean to intentionally leave your name out. I did say the post were from mulletsolider within that post. The names aren't in the quotes themselves because they were from the USP board (where I am not a member) and I just used the quote tags around the excerpts but I did make it a point to credit mulletsolider. Again my bad about not mentioning you bud, it was not intentional.. just oversight

Also you say I have this on different websites? Where? I only had this log on AM. I am not a member of many other boards and the ones I do have a membership on I do not have any logs there. Where else was it you saw it?
 
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