The 2012 bug is catching on!

[jgassen15]

Not the end of the world persay, definitely not the second coming of Christ, doubt it'll be a world war. If you think about it what did the Mayans do better than we do today. Map stars and recognize/predict solar novelties. Might we have some crazy eclipse as venus, the earth, and the sun are aligned in a novel manner: likely. Could this anomaly cause some sort of natural disaster: perhaps. Doesn't surprise me that the Mayan calendar, like weather, our solar system, women's menstration moods has a cycle. It makes more sense that this cycle would correspond with something in our sky they could identify and predict, especially if this anomaly had happened at the same time they configured the calendar.

 

[jgassen15]

We can have this religious debate on the existence of Christ and the reliability of Scripture until the world ends in 2012 (haha), but we must recognize two things. Either one, there is no God, there is no Messiah, but since the religion relies on faith, this will never be proven and some people will never accept this. Or two, there is a God, and Jesus was his Messiah, but Christ himself states that our salvation relies on faith, and he will not simply reveal himself to all, meaning there is not certain proof that this is true either. So why, oh why do we continue to argue a point that cannot be proven or disproven.

 

[Flaw]

I think you might be overestimating the amount of proof. However, the OT is a compiled work fo the words of man, much of which were taken from sources far older than the hebrews of the time. Additionally, there are many references to stories that are found in the modern version (as opposed to the original) of the NT which were also borrowed.

I am not saying that the borrowing is wrong, as it is quite logical. The writers of both books needed a way to unify the people (see Constantine in the 4th century) and these compilations assisted in reaching that goal.

In terms of the devil, his existence is an interesting one. When you look at ancient civilizations, the serpent is revered as the bringer of knowledge (which equates to the Lucifer name), however the judeo/christian world fears and despises the bringer of knowledge. Kinda interesting IMO

It's true, it took a lot of copying to take the original words and pass them on through out the centuries. It takes a lot of trust to know that it was done properly however what I ment on how the bible flows from beginning to end is that it works in harmony. Now if the old and new testament didn't tie together so well then I would question it but even more impressive is that the OT came from Hebrew and the NT came from Greek and yet still have perfect harmony. That's a TON of hard work for imperfect men to have preserved and translated all that material alone. Studying Hebrew and Greek will tell you a lot..

Constantine was mearly just a early example of a man who used christianity or religion for his own political advantage. The man wasn't even a true christian himself.

I think you got that last part mixed up. Lucifer in latin means light bearer which could be interpreted as a bringer of knowlege but then you'd have to look at where lucifer comes from. Where u find lucifer in the bible is in Isiah and most bible scholars will say that lucifer refers to a saying used against babylonain king or person and not the devil.

The 2 main names when referring to the devil in the bible is serpent and satan. Serpent and Lucifer are not tied together despite the popularity. The This popular teaching could have very well gone back since the time the name lucifer originally came up.

 

[kingdong]

if you actually read the actual Mayan prophesy it states that the human race will undego evolution, and life AS WE KNOW IT will end, not that the world is destroyed

Makes sense. Were about due for some change. So much of what we do is a bul**** waist of time. I think were ready for a spiritual revolution.

 

[T-AD]

My question is to the unbelievers. You say you can't put faith in the Bible but you give credence to ancient Mayan prophecies. How is that any more justifiable?
Especially if you apply the rationale used for not believing the Bible.

There are MANY MANY defenses both for and against the Bible, the Mayans, and whether or not French people talk the way they do because they have peanut butter stuck to the roof of their mouths.

From the standpoint of what you'd call a "non-believer", I don't believe any of it. I believe that the Bible is a collection of stories passed down through the ages in order to teach people by example what is right from wrong. I also believe that these stories are both flawed and changed throughout time to reflect the politics of the era in which the book was re-written. Case in point...if it were perfect as written, then why are there so many different versions of it?!?! There's only one dictionary, just different publishers. There are many Bible publishers, and just as many bible versions. Are the interpretations of the stories, and therefor the lessons they teach, so profoundly different that it warrants different versions??? The Bible is a book. Take from it what you will, but realize that it is a guide to lead a "better" life, not the instruction manual.

As for the Mayans, I have no clue what their calendar really means, why they stopped it at a certain time, nor do I really care. Once they figure out what the big deal with Stonehenge is, then maybe I'll move my interest to other historical artifacts. I absolutely LOVE history, but it's all flawed for one simple fact - it's written by "man", and man always writes based on their experiences and perception.

And as for the second coming, rapture, global bla bla bla.... I'm not changing my life because of a deadline. I'm going to live it one day at a time, enjoying the sunny weather, every mile on my bike, every smile from my wife, and every single millisecond I spend playing, laughing, learning, exploring, bathing, sleeping, tickling, and doing whatever else with my daughter.

 

[Flaw]

Case in point...if it were perfect as written, then why are there so many different versions of it?!?! There's only one dictionary, just different publishers. There are many Bible publishers, and just as many bible versions. Are the interpretations of the stories, and therefor the lessons they teach, so profoundly different that it warrants different versions??? The Bible is a book. Take from it what you will, but realize that it is a guide to lead a "better" life, not the instruction manual.

There's different versions for a few reasons. One, Translating. No one uses the words thy or shall in our time anymore. Easier to interpret versions are out so one can understand the word in the current era or language. As long as the meaning of original word as translated from Hebrew or Greek are correct then it's valid however Second Some publishers seek revenue $. They may change up a few words therefore actually changing some meaning with no real reason other then making money but because it's different people will read it. For example.. everytime a new search engine comes out people try it, it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't find what your looking for on the old one but maybe some minor things have changed to appeal to the people. (bing, ask.com) These minor changes however in the bible can change a lot. What I did was research Hebrew and Greek and found for myself what versions were most accurate based on translation. KJV is pretty solid and the foundation of most christian organizations. I find however that the American standard Version and the New world version is probably more accurate since it uses god's name translated properly in english. Having god's name in the bible is essential to proper translating. For those publishers that have taken it out, I believe they had some sort of hidden agenda.

It's funny you bring up dictionaries because the history of dictionary goes way back to BC times. English versions date back to early 1600's. There has been many publishers and many versions. Robert Cawdrey, Samuel Johnson, Oxford university, Noah Webster (Webster's dictionary) , Merriam-Webster. There's over 20 major english dictionaries. When you look in a dictionary for a word also you have different definitions. Does that mean that only one can be correct? NO..

The 2nd point I brought up however is the main reason why there are so many versions. Personal Gain of the publisher. Are they recieving revenue? Where's the money going? I look into all that as well. Just because the bible is God's word doesn't mean that a person or person's can't go and write their own versions and call it "the holy bible". Jesus warned of Goat's in Sheep's covering. Just as you have a priest who potrays a "sheep" when on the inside he's trying to molest children.

 

[schwellington]

This is something i hear when i've learnt about the likes of innocent children being struck down with disease and conditions such as leukemia, or a massive natural disaster occurs that kills thousands. That it all happens for a reason. For me that is utter rubbish as there is absolutely no argument whatsoever that such events could result in any positive outcome.

It takes more faith to believe God doesnt exist than it does to believe He does


I am a firm believer

Yes there is much suffering in this world- It isnt Gods fault- God gave man FREE WILL to do what he will

as for man saying "IN THE NAME OF GOD" like the crusades- well that was mans corruptness coming out! It was an excuse they knew they could use to get the soliders to continue on- while the Church had their own plans

The Church in that time was corrupt- I do not know if the Catholic Church is anymore or not-I am simply a follower of Jesus


But please do not blame the chaos on God- He didnt do it- I think God could do a much better job at destroying the world if He wanted too

And He will one day

 

[DR.D]

... As for the Rapture, I duno where I want it to be in the timeline, but out of being human I would like it to wait until I have me a wifey and a couple kids lol.

Oh boy Zero, lol, you better get started right now bud! It might be 10 more years (or 10 more days) but it won't be beyond this generation I don't think.

 

[Flaw]

but it won't be beyond this generation I don't think.

I'm with you on that, I think we are deep in the end times but more things have to happen for this "generation to pass away" . I hope to be alive to witness it because it will be the most momentous event in human history. The most eagerly awaited prophecy. I also hope that I will make it threw! As you learn in a number of stories in the bible many have become impatient and gave out before deliverance. If only they would have stuck it out a little longer they would of had it. We need patience, a lot of faith and long suffering.

Hebrews 12:3 "Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart."

Matthew 24:32-35 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this GENERATION will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

 

[DR.D]

I'm with you on that, I think we are deep in the end times but more things have to happen for this "generation to pass away" . As you learn in a number of stories in the bible many have become impatient and gave out before deliverance. If only they would have stuck it out a little longer they would of had it. We need patience, a lot of faith and long suffering.

Hebrews 12:3 "Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart."

Matthew 24:32-35 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this GENERATION will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

Amen, Flaw. For hundreds of years men have reasoned falsely that they were the terminal generation, but it was not even possible before Israel became a nation again. Now almost everything is in place, many more signs have been fulfilled, and technology exists to conclude the rest. I think it's the 4'th quarter, and we're in the snap count with only seconds left on the clock. I could be wrong, but it's getting harder to deny at this point.

 

[Zero V]

Amen, Flaw. For hundreds of years men have reasoned falsely that they were the terminal generation, but it was not even possible before Israel became a nation again. Now almost everything is in place, many more signs have been fulfilled, and technology exists to conclude the rest. I think it's the 4'th quarter, and we're in the snap count with only seconds left on the clock. I could be wrong, but it's getting harder to deny at this point.

It needs to wait till I got me a wife and kids dangit >.< NOOOOOEZ, it really bothers me actually lol. What am I supposed to walk up to a a cute church girl "Hey lets run off and get married since the end of the world might be here!" hahah

 

[DR.D]

It needs to wait till I got me a wife and kids dangit >.< NOOOOOEZ, it really bothers me actually lol. What am I supposed to walk up to a a cute church girl "Hey lets run off and get married since the end of the world might be here!" hahah

Haha, I tell my wife that all the time Zero, that we should 'get it on' for our country! That it's our patriotic duty to help repopulate the planet in the event of a catastrophe! She just laughs though. She never falls for it.

Bro, find a nice girl and get down to beez-nas. Why put it off, especially if you suspect that it's just about over? Pray about it first of course. He promises to grant us our desires, provided that they are within His will.

 

[T-AD]

Haha, I tell my wife that all the time Zero, that we should 'get it on' for our country! That it's our patriotic duty to help repopulate the planet in the event of a catastrophe! She just laughs though. She never falls for it.

Bro, find a nice girl and get down to beez-nas. Why put it off, especially if you suspect that it's just about over? Pray about it first of course. He promises to grant us our desires, provided that they are within His will.

D, you've fathered enough to have your own small town in the panhandle!! I can only imagine your prayers... "Lord, grant me the strength to do good, the wisdom to know right from wrong, and a home with 30 bathrooms so all these damn children will let me crap in peace!!"

:lol:

j/k Much love, bro! Izz turned 2 on July 9. Let the fun begin!!!

 

[DR.D]

D, you've fathered enough to have your own small town in the panhandle!!

You know, they say that juicing young will sterilize you over time, but that's a dam lie straight from the devil himself! Don't juice, unless you wanna have 12 kids by the time your 30!! j/k

I can only imagine your prayers... "Lord, grant me the strength to do good, the wisdom to know right from wrong, and a home with 30 bathrooms so all these damn children will let me crap in peace!!"

:lol:

Amen brother. A man's bathroom is his sacred ground, lol. (they know better than to go in there after I'm done anyway)

j/k Much love, bro! Izz turned 2 on July 9. Let the fun begin!!!

I still have Izzy's pic up in my picture tree in the kitchen. You should send me some updates! If she's 2 now, it's about time to stack another on, yeah?

 

[T-AD]

You know, they say that juicing young will sterilize you over time, but that's a dam lie straight from the devil himself! Don't juice, unless you wanna have 12 kids by the time your 30!! j/k



Amen brother. A man's bathroom is his sacred ground, lol. (they know better than to go in there after I'm done anyway)



I still have Izzy's pic up in my picture tree in the kitchen. You should send me some updates! If she's 2 now, it's about time to stack another on, yeah?

HA!! And I still think I have your latest creation hangin on my fridge!

Na, we're going to stop with just her. Times being how they are, it's probably for the best. We can concentrate on giving her the best of everything without worrying about selling anyone short. We're battling only child syndrome, which might be tougher than we thought. Spare the rod, spoil the... well, you know.

 

[DR.D]

HA!! And I still think I have your latest creation hangin on my fridge!

Na, we're going to stop with just her. Times being how they are, it's probably for the best. We can concentrate on giving her the best of everything without worrying about selling anyone short. We're battling only child syndrome, which might be tougher than we thought. Spare the rod, spoil the... well, you know.

I understand your logic. Dude, don't worry about Izzy runnin' solo. I was an only child, and I came out O-tAy! :32: :blink:

Did I ever tell you about my invisible friend Herman, who lived in the toilet?

 

[AE14]

It's true, it took a lot of copying to take the original words and pass them on through out the centuries. It takes a lot of trust to know that it was done properly however what I ment on how the bible flows from beginning to end is that it works in harmony. Now if the old and new testament didn't tie together so well then I would question it but even more impressive is that the OT came from Hebrew and the NT came from Greek and yet still have perfect harmony. That's a TON of hard work for imperfect men to have preserved and translated all that material alone. Studying Hebrew and Greek will tell you a lot..

Constantine was mearly just a early example of a man who used christianity or religion for his own political advantage. The man wasn't even a true christian himself.

I think you got that last part mixed up. Lucifer in latin means light bearer which could be interpreted as a bringer of knowlege but then you'd have to look at where lucifer comes from. Where u find lucifer in the bible is in Isiah and most bible scholars will say that lucifer refers to a saying used against babylonain king or person and not the devil.

The 2 main names when referring to the devil in the bible is serpent and satan. Serpent and Lucifer are not tied together despite the popularity. The This popular teaching could have very well gone back since the time the name lucifer originally came up.

Please explain how the OT and NT tie together considering how many books were thrown out of both? Just curious

The serpent imagery and name Lucifer refer back to the fallen angel I believe, I will double check that though.

As an aside my friend, I was recently in the Yucatan and had a discussion with a tour guide at Chichen Itza who is of Mayan decent. He had some very interesting points on 2012. Great guy with some very cool info

 

[schwellington]

Please explain how the OT and NT tie together considering how many books were thrown out of both? Just curious

The serpent imagery and name Lucifer refer back to the fallen angel I believe, I will double check that though.

As an aside my friend, I was recently in the Yucatan and had a discussion with a tour guide at Chichen Itza who is of Mayan decent. He had some very interesting points on 2012. Great guy with some very cool info

You speak of the apocrypha books that where excluded from the original bible by the Catholic Church (I am a devot Christian NOT a Catholic denomination though) So we shall take the books of the current OT and the books of the current NT

Many prophetic things took place in the old testament- google the Messianic Prophecies they are prophecy made about Jesus Christ- thousands of years before Christ was born


all the way from where the Messiah would be from to how He would Die

And Christ fulfilled every one of those prophecy

this is just ONE example of how the new testament and old testament flow together

As far as for the books cast out the apocrypha- I need to study them more

But the Catholic Church did it- which is made up of men- and men are imperfect

 

[AE14]

You speak of the apocrypha books that where excluded from the original bible by the Catholic Church (I am a devot Christian NOT a Catholic denomination though) So we shall take the books of the current OT and the books of the current NT

this is just not true. look back to the 4th century and it was the Christian Roman Empire that did it at Hippo and Nicea.

Many prophetic things took place in the old testament- google the Messianic Prophecies they are prophecy made about Jesus Christ- thousands of years before Christ was born

they are about a messiah, no mention of a Jesus or Yeshua. In fact, the books tossed out painted an itneresting picture of this messiah and specifically the ones tossed from the NT as they are tossed b/c they question the divinity issue

 

[youngandfree]

this is just not true. look back to the 4th century and it was the Christian Roman Empire that did it at Hippo and Nicea.

they are about a messiah, no mention of a Jesus or Yeshua. In fact, the books tossed out painted an itneresting picture of this messiah and specifically the ones tossed from the NT as they are tossed b/c they question the divinity issue

Maybe I missed something. Are you stating that because the OT prophecies didn't put the name Jesus on the messiah to come, that Jesus can't be the messiah? Explain who else in the Bible fit all of the prophecies because I don't recall reading of anyone else born of a virgin, was sinless, was crucified and then rose from the dead.

If the name part is your hangup about Jesus, that seems like a pretty weak argument to me.

 

[AE14]

Maybe I missed something. Are you stating that because the OT prophecies didn't put the name Jesus on the messiah to come, that Jesus can't be the messiah? Explain who else in the Bible fit all of the prophecies because I don't recall reading of anyone else born of a virgin, was sinless, was crucified and then rose from the dead.

If the name part is your hangup about Jesus, that seems like a pretty weak argument to me.

go through ancient history. we have several born of a virgin, rose from the dead etc....

Heck, Jesus was not the only "christ" figure of his time. Simon Magus comes to mind amongest others

 

[SELFofGOD]

Maybe I missed something. Are you stating that because the OT prophecies didn't put the name Jesus on the messiah to come, that Jesus can't be the messiah? Explain who else in the Bible fit all of the prophecies because I don't recall reading of anyone else born of a virgin, was sinless, was crucified and then rose from the dead.

If the name part is your hangup about Jesus, that seems like a pretty weak argument to me.

Yeah failed to mention the all powerfull messiahs name ...my bad. lol
If you do some research and can actually bring yourself to look outside christian beliefs you will find that the " Christ " story is not new and deff. not unique.

Other "Gods" Before Christ had virgin births and various other similarities.

:box:

 

[Flaw]

Please explain how the OT and NT tie together considering how many books were thrown out of both? Just curious

There's a reason these "so called books" aren't in the bible, they aren't valid. You don't believe everything you read on the internet do you?

 

[DR.D]

Yeah failed to mention the all powerfull messiahs name ...my bad. lol
If you do some research and can actually bring yourself to look outside christian beliefs you will find that the " Christ " story is not new and deff. not unique.

Other "Gods" Before Christ had virgin births and various other similarities.

:box:

So what's your point? That you can't decide if it's true or not, or which god is real, so you blow it off automatically by default. That's a pretty chicken sh!t way to see it bro. Be brave man! Pull your panties up, and dare to seek the truth. You can do it. And until them, be smart and keep your mouth shut if you don't know any better. That way folks don't realize how scared you really are for not knowing. You should have already learned that lesson by now soldier.

 

[AE14]

There's a reason these "so called books" aren't in the bible, they aren't valid. You don't believe everything you read on the internet do you?

Not valid baseed on what? Your opinion? Most historians agree that the books that were left out were done so b/c they offered a different view of Christianity that the Romans (under Constantine) wanted. He needed to unify the empire, which could not be done had the religion not been identical across the board. However, there were some Roman aspects that were there. Take a look at the catacomb paintings of Jesus as a Roman, much different from the hippie appearance now.

The point is.......the books were left out for political reasons, not just for validity

 

[youngandfree]

go through ancient history. we have several born of a virgin, rose from the dead etc....

Heck, Jesus was not the only "christ" figure of his time. Simon Magus comes to mind amongest others

According to this link, Simon was a self professed Christ and sought worship from others. But he didn't fit the messiah prophecy.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=798&letter=S

 

[SELFofGOD]

So what's your point? That you can't decide if it's true or not, or which god is real, so you blow it off automatically by default. That's a pretty chicken sh!t way to see it bro. Be brave man! Pull your panties up, and dare to seek the truth. You can do it. And until them, be smart and keep your mouth shut if you don't know any better. That way folks don't realize how scared you really are for not knowing. You should have already learned that lesson by now soldier.

Wha ??? What part of my post did you not understand ?
So in your view in order to be brave I have to believe in some supernatural all mighty all knowing god ?
People have allways created Gods to help them in tough times.
Most people look to the sky and ask for strength.
Very few people have no need to look outside , rather they look within and find the courage they need to survive. THAT my friend is BRAVE.

Oh and sorry i 4got to put my panties on 2day bro.

 

[youngandfree]

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Nothing here about him being messiah according to OT either. Just his own delusions and magical powers that caused him to be worshiped by some.

 

[DR.D]

... The point is.......the books were left out for political reasons, not just for validity

Yes, they probably were in many cases, and perhaps some were legitimately disqualified in other cases. But why jump to conclusions? I mean, why scoff at the possibility of Christ automatically? Just because the church sux? That seems illogical unless you really know for certain. It would be foolish to reach the wrong conclusion when the stakes are eternal. I'd rather come to no conclusion until I knew better one way or the other, and indeed I was agnostic for the first 27 years of my life.

Regardless, don't believe the hype AE. Catholicism is a satanic power racket as best as I can determine (as are most other major religions, including the consolidated one to come). But why let that obscure your legitimate, subjective considerations of God's existence? What does a sovereign God have to do with organized religion, which is just somebody elses' version of what they want you to believe god is? God and religion are not the same thing.

 

[DR.D]

Wha ??? What part of my post did you not understand ?
So in your view in order to be brave I have to believe in some supernatural all mighty all knowing god ?
People have allways created Gods to help them in tough times.
Most people look to the sky and ask for strength.
Very few people have no need to look outside , rather they look within and find the courage they need to survive. THAT my friend is BRAVE.

Oh and sorry i 4got to put my panties on 2day bro.

Haha, it's just a figure of speech brah. In fact, you better not have any panties on, soldier. Homie don't play that don't ask don't tell sh!t.

No, you don't have to believe in anything, man. That's not what I said. But just as you're born, so shall you die. You can't stop the hit. One day you die, no matter how skilled you are at survival. So where's the need to be brave? It's an easy task to live an die, no bravery needed. How brave do you need to be for yourself, knowing you die one day anyway? It's like **** it, may as well just go for it ya know? Only people in denial are scared to die.

Real bravery is daring to consider than there might be some greater assignment for your life, and taking the chance that you may find it without it blowing your mind. Real bravery is facing the fact that life might be eternal, and you may still have to deal with sh!t after it's over. That should be your real source of fear, that it doesn't end after you die, and maybe this god thing is for real. You might wanna really think about it, I ain't lyin' to ya.

 

[AE14]

Yes, they probably were in many cases, and perhaps some were legitimately disqualified in other cases. But why jump to conclusions? I mean, why scoff at the possibility of Christ automatically? Just because the church sux? That seems illogical unless you really know for certain. It would be foolish to reach the wrong conclusion when the stakes are eternal. I'd rather come to no conclusion until I knew better one way or the other, and indeed I was agnostic for the first 27 years of my life.

Regardless, don't believe the hype AE. Catholicism is a satanic power racket as best as I can determine (as are most other major religions, including the consolidated one to come). But why let that obscure your legitimate, subjective considerations of God's existence? What does a sovereign God have to do with organized religion, which is just somebody elses' version of what they want you to believe god is? God and religion are not the same thing.

I dont disagree to a certain extent. However, it is not just I that might be jumping to conclusions....right?

 

[AE14]

According to this link, Simon was a self professed Christ and sought worship from others. But he didn't fit the messiah prophecy.

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go through who he was and how he was worshipped. Not much different from JC

 

[DR.D]

I dont disagree to a certain extent. However, it is not just I that might be jumping to conclusions....right?

Very true. If you have figured different, then I digress, so that I don't jump to conclusions.

 

[AE14]

Very true. If you have figured different, then I digress, so that I don't jump to conclusions.

We both jump to conclusions, that is the beauty

 

[youngandfree]

go through who he was and how he was worshipped. Not much different from JC

But does he fit the OT messiah prophecy? It doesn't matter about him being worshipped. I haven't found anything yet in my brief research indicating that he does.

 

[SELFofGOD]

Haha, it's just a figure of speech brah. In fact, you better not have any panties on, soldier. Homie don't play that don't ask don't tell sh!t.

No, you don't have to believe in anything, man. That's not what I said. But just as you're born, so shall you die. You can't stop the hit. One day you die, no matter how skilled you are at survival. So where's the need to be brave? It's an easy task to live an die, no bravery needed. How brave do you need to be for yourself, knowing you die one day anyway? It's like **** it, may as well just go for it ya know? Only people in denial are scared to die.

Real bravery is daring to consider than there might be some greater assignment for your life, and taking the chance that you may find it without it blowing your mind. Real bravery is facing the fact that life might be eternal, and you may still have to deal with sh!t after it's over. That should be your real source of fear, that it doesn't end after you die, and maybe this god thing is for real. You might wanna really think about it, I ain't lyin' to ya.

So many people want to feel as tho they are special in some way, they wanna think they have a greater purpose in life.
why ?
Are you really not satisfied with just doing watever you naturally do best ?
Not satisfied with having a wife. Having kids and watching them grow ?
Most people FEAR Death they CAN NOT picture the lights going out for good.
Fine , so the brain copes by reaching to the heavns and putting "faith" in some far off fairy tell land.
The problem is that instead of being the best Human Being and taking care of your brothers you get lost in this my god your god afterlife nonsense.
Thus we still have people killing eachother in gods name.
But hey its all good cus they trully believe they have a "assingment" in life right ?

:fool2:

Ya know I have no problem if people wanna believe in WHATEVER , the problem I have is when that Belief is worth killing your brothers and sisters over.

Maybe it is in our nature to be brutal.
I live my life a day at a time. I cherrish every sunrise and sunset. I Love my wife and my child and I try to treat people as humanely as i can.
When I die if I meet God and he punishes me for the way I have lived my life I will not be alone.

 

[SELFofGOD]

But does he fit the OT messiah prophecy? It doesn't matter about him being worshipped. I haven't found anything yet in my brief research indicating that he does.

Since you seem to at least wanna look up some info here are some Christ like people forya to google yourself to death :deal:

Virgin births b4 Christ :

HORUS

JASON

RA

JOVE

APIS

OSIRIS

and more.

A quik example on how The Christ story is not new.

Horus of Egypt : Remember this is just one of many preceeding Christ,

Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
He had 12 disciples.
He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
He walked on water.
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.
In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis

 

[DR.D]

So many people want to feel as tho they are special in some way, they wanna think they have a greater purpose in life.
why ?
Are you really not satisfied with just doing watever you naturally do best ?
Not satisfied with having a wife. Having kids and watching them grow ?
Most people FEAR Death they CAN NOT picture the lights going out for good.
Fine , so the brain copes by reaching to the heavns and putting "faith" in some far off fairy tell land.
The problem is that instead of being the best Human Being and taking care of your brothers you get lost in this my god your god afterlife nonsense.
Thus we still have people killing eachother in gods name.
But hey its all good cus they trully believe they have a "assingment" in life right ?

:fool2:

Ya know I have no problem if people wanna believe in WHATEVER , the problem I have is when that Belief is worth killing your brothers and sisters over.

Maybe it is in our nature to be brutal.
I live my life a day at a time. I cherrish every sunrise and sunset. I Love my wife and my child and I try to treat people as humanely as i can.
When I die if I meet God and he punishes me for the way I have lived my life I will not be alone.

Yeah, I agree. Some people have to believe in something, so they make a god. They are delusional. And you sound like a good man with high moral and intellectual standards, so I doubt God will be interested in 'punishing' you if you live your life as best you know. But God is like a TI. He doesn't wanna waste His time training you if you don't wanna follow. He's only looking for a few good men, who are interested in finding Him. Loyal, dependable men with heart, that He can apply to His purposes. I still don't see why you object to considering that it may be true.

 

[SELFofGOD]

Yeah, I agree. Some people have to believe in something, so they make a god. They are delusional. And you sound like a good man with high moral and intellectual standards, so I doubt God will be interested in 'punishing' you if you live your life as best you know. But God is like a TI. He doesn't wanna waste His time training you if you don't wanna follow. He's only looking for a few good men, who are interested in finding Him. Loyal, dependable men with heart, that He can apply to His purposes. I still don't see why you object to considering that it may be true.

Maybe I`m a descendent of Thomas haha :dunno:

 

[DR.D]

Since you seem to at least wanna look up some info here are some Christ like people forya to google yourself to death :deal:

Virgin births b4 Christ :

HORUS

JASON

RA

JOVE

APIS

OSIRIS

and more.

A quik example on how The Christ story is not new.

Horus of Egypt : Remember this is just one of many preceeding Christ,

Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
He had 12 disciples.
He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
He walked on water.
Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.
In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis

So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.

 

[DR.D]

Maybe I`m a descendent of Thomas haha :dunno:

Haha, pull my finger.

 

[SELFofGOD]

Ok my friend .

Nomatter ur beliefs we are all brothers in this box

 

[youngandfree]

So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.

Thank you.

 

[AE14]

So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.

Dr. D come on now. This is silly. THe majority of the jesus story was borrowed from earlier sources, that is a fairly well known fact. It is not a means of confusion, but recorded history, specifically in Egypt and Mesopotamia

 

[AE14]

Haha, pull my finger.

I have to spread more reps around, but you deserve it for this :rofl:

 

[DR.D]

Dr. D come on now. This is silly. THe majority of the jesus story was borrowed from earlier sources, that is a fairly well known fact. It is not a means of confusion, but recorded history, specifically in Egypt and Mesopotamia

Is it silly? If satan already knows how it'll unfold, why wouldn't he try to obscure the real messiah's coming? It's classic pysops, anti-intelligence propaganda.

Of course these stories are well known facts, but what does that really indicate? That's my question. Not necessarily that the Bible 'borrowed' them, but that it's an agreed upon theme for certain. Does it maybe indicate that genetic experiments with the human genome (aka: virgin births) have been going on for awhile? Yeah, probably so I suspect. Not just the Bible, but all ancient mythologies indicated that a hybrid genus of "giants" once existed. The Bible says that the flood was initiated to eradicate those beings, to preserve the human lineage for Christ to be born from. Look into it for yourself and see if the pieces don't fit.

 

[DR.D]

I have to spread more reps around, but you deserve it for this :rofl:

I guess you're the only one who got it, lol

 

[Flaw]

Not valid baseed on what? Your opinion? Most historians agree that the books that were left out were done so b/c they offered a different view of Christianity that the Romans (under Constantine) wanted. He needed to unify the empire, which could not be done had the religion not been identical across the board. However, there were some Roman aspects that were there. Take a look at the catacomb paintings of Jesus as a Roman, much different from the hippie appearance now.

The point is.......the books were left out for political reasons, not just for validity

What are the names of these books you claim to be left out?

Hey, my jesus didn't look like a hippie

 

[AE14]

Is it silly? If satan already knows how it'll unfold, why wouldn't he try to obscure the real messiah's coming? It's classic pysops, anti-intelligence propaganda.

Of course these stories are well known facts, but what does that really indicate? That's my question. Not necessarily that the Bible 'borrowed' them, but that it's an agreed upon theme for certain. Does it maybe indicate that genetic experiments with the human genome (aka: virgin births) have been going on for awhile? Yeah, probably so I suspect. Not just the Bible, but all ancient mythologies indicated that a hybrid genus of "giants" once existed. The Bible says that the flood was initiated to eradicate those beings, to preserve the human lineage for Christ to be born from. Look into it for yourself and see if the pieces don't fit.

the flood story is an interesting one as all cultures have it in their story lines.

I think using Satan is a tad of a copout IMO. That basically discredits all other bliefs that can predate christianity by thousands of years.

What are the names of these books you claim to be left out?

actually there are several. Many of which canbe found in very old copies of the NT showing that they were originally included.

1. 1. book of Enoch
   2. Infancy Gospel of Jesus
   3. Gospel of Mary
   4. Gospel of Thomas
   5. Gospel of Judas (still much to be determined on this one)

these are just a couple

Hey, my jesus didn't look like a hippie

touche :lol:

 

[SELFofGOD]

well conversations like this one allways end up the same way. Fun for a lil while but in the end Blind Faith is just that, Blind.


I do not require a higher powers help to be a moral person in life or to appreciate every second I have to live and love my friends & family.

I might meet your god someday, but untill then I am content being a Human "Being".

cya guys 2morrow its like 1230am afgh time lol