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Superdrol Research

zombiemuscle

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I was doing some reading on superdrol and found that it is extremely anabolic. The downside is that it has low androgenic activity. Generally speaking, low androgenic activity is good and will prevent androgenic sides. On the other hand, it can increase the risk for gyno and libido related sides.

I just finished PCT for dimethazine, which is similar to superdrol. The major difference is that the anabolic androgenic ratios differ. The dimethazine is less anabolic and more androgenic than superdrol. I had some acne and stuff but no libido issues. Of course I wouldn't know if I had libido issues anyways due to the cialis I have on hand hehe.

I have a BEASTDROL cycle coming up in november. So I have been looking into some supps to prevent the libido and gyno issues that can arise from use of highly anabolic compounds. Best thing I've found so far is AndroHard LV. It basically increases androgens. This would balance things out and prevent any issues. Has anyone tried this?
 
A DHT compound should always be a part of every cycle...makes cycles so much easier. However, I only recommend to those that are not prone to MPB and do not have any issues with their prostate.

The main reason for using a DHT compound during a cycle is to make sure your libido remains and to significantly decrease any chances of gyno happening.

As you mentioned...AndroHard is a good choice since it is a DHT compound and it is a non-methyl thus making it a great stacker.

If you need some personal feedback to go off of...my personal favorite cycle was X-Mass (Tren) The ONE (DHT) and Methyl 1-D (DHEA)...smoothest cycle ever. No problems at all. No lethargy...the energy and motivation I had at times was like I was on my stims, but I never run any stims when I am running a cycle. My libido actually was the roof on this cycle as well.

So definitely do yourself a favor and get some AndroHard...it will be worth it and make your cycle feel a lot smoother...not to mention it should help relieve any apprehension about side effects as long you are running proper support supps as well.

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-
 
I was doing some reading on superdrol and found that it is extremely anabolic. The downside is that it has low androgenic activity. Generally speaking, low androgenic activity is good and will prevent androgenic sides. On the other hand, it can increase the risk for gyno and libido related sides.

I just finished PCT for dimethazine, which is similar to superdrol. The major difference is that the anabolic androgenic ratios differ. The dimethazine is less anabolic and more androgenic than superdrol. I had some acne and stuff but no libido issues. Of course I wouldn't know if I had libido issues anyways due to the cialis I have on hand hehe.

I have a BEASTDROL cycle coming up in november. So I have been looking into some supps to prevent the libido and gyno issues that can arise from use of highly anabolic compounds. Best thing I've found so far is AndroHard LV. It basically increases androgens. This would balance things out and prevent any issues. Has anyone tried this?

You could low dose forma-stanzol throughout and in PCT.
It is anti estrogenic and slightly androgenic.
 
i am running mlmg/hdrol at some pretty high doses and was having libido issues and nipples were sore. i added androhard into the mix and sore nipples are completly gone and libido seems to be climbing daily.

im taking andro hard at 8ml twice per day.
 
I was doing some reading on superdrol and found that it is extremely anabolic. The downside is that it has low androgenic activity. Generally speaking, low androgenic activity is good and will prevent androgenic sides. On the other hand, it can increase the risk for gyno and libido related sides.

I just finished PCT for dimethazine, which is similar to superdrol. The major difference is that the anabolic androgenic ratios differ. The dimethazine is less anabolic and more androgenic than superdrol. I had some acne and stuff but no libido issues. Of course I wouldn't know if I had libido issues anyways due to the cialis I have on hand hehe.

I have a BEASTDROL cycle coming up in november. So I have been looking into some supps to prevent the libido and gyno issues that can arise from use of highly anabolic compounds. Best thing I've found so far is AndroHard LV. It basically increases androgens. This would balance things out and prevent any issues. Has anyone tried this?

I don't think you have to worry about gyno issues with SD. It doesn't convert to estrogen on cycle.

I think this would be a killer cycle for you and the HCGenerate would help libido/shutdown issues.

1-4 Beastdrol 20/20/30/30
1-4 hcgenerate 5 caps ed spread out.
4-8 Forma-Stanozolol & whatever else you planned for PCT.

MONEY! :D:D
 
Running low dose forma could satisfy the DHT needed for the smooth cycle you speak of? I am wanting to do a high dose epi cycle (6 weeks at 30/30/45/45/45/45) and have a few bottles of forma also.
 
Why is everyone talking about running forma? Forma stanzol?? Formestane would be counterproductive...

Because formestane has a strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase.

IMO AndroHard LV sounds a lot better than any formestane product. Formestane is an AI, but superdrol does not aromoatize therefore an AI isn't really needed.
 
Why is everyone talking about running forma? Forma stanzol?? Formestane would be counterproductive...

Because formestane has a strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase.

IMO AndroHard LV sounds a lot better than any formestane product. Formestane is an AI, but superdrol does not aromoatize therefore an AI isn't really needed.

Forma-stanzol lowers DHT, but it is androgenic and is anti estrogenic meaning you cannot get gyno on formestane or the likelihood is real low. And a lot of people get gyno flare ups on SD, like me..
 
Why is everyone talking about running forma? Forma stanzol?? Formestane would be counterproductive...

Because formestane has a strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase.

IMO AndroHard LV sounds a lot better than any formestane product. Formestane is an AI, but superdrol does not aromoatize therefore an AI isn't really needed.

What sounds better is a bottle of D-plex, that right there is methyl DHT..
 
Because formestane has a strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase.

This has only been shown in-vitro. I don't believe it has ever been shown to be the case in human studies and there are plenty on formestane. Just like people say that formestane is supressive. It's only been shown to be supressive at really high doses.

Anyway, both androsterone and formestane are great in my book.
 
Why is everyone talking about running forma? Forma stanzol?? Formestane would be counterproductive...

Because formestane has a strong affinity for the 5a-reductase enzyme it will reduce DHT levels in the body by effectively competing with testosterone for the 5a-reductase.

IMO AndroHard LV sounds a lot better than any formestane product. Formestane is an AI, but superdrol does not aromoatize therefore an AI isn't really needed.

I was talking about using forma in pct buddy. Not on cycle. Androhard could help on cycle with SD. Although I don't think it would be necessary.
 
I was talking about using forma in pct buddy. Not on cycle. Androhard could help on cycle with SD. Although I don't think it would be necessary.

I've always been told that formestane shouldn't be used in pct because it's a prohormone. Hormonal products are generally a no-no in pct because they slow down hpta recovery. Not to mention competition for 5a reductase which would be more detrimental in pct than on cycle.
 
I've always been told that formestane shouldn't be used in pct because it's a prohormone. Hormonal products are generally a no-no in pct because they slow down hpta recovery. Not to mention competition for 5a reductase which would be more detrimental in pct than on cycle.

Bro, formestane is not a PH.

Formestane is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, known as a suicidal inhibitor because it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme.
 
Kk but what I say still stands. As a "steroidal" ai it can be suppressive to the hpta.

Formestane converts to the active androgen 4-hydroxytestosterone which has about half the anabolic potency, and about 25% of the androgenic potency as testosterone. This is what makes it a no-no in pct.
 
If I wanted to I could use formestane in pct and it would improve body comp and reduce estrogen. It may improve performance in the gym too. Buy let's not forget what pct is for: reaching homeostasis.
 
I like the idea of a DHT compound on cycle with SD. Sounds good, but I don't think it's necessary.

With the formestane in PCT... it's really not suppressive at the right dosages (100-200mg) and can be used in PCT very successfully. And it's ability to help you keep gains in the long run and look good in PCT outweigh it's slight suppressive nature at high doses. But again, this is not necessary just as a DHT compound is not necessary ON cycle.

These are all little "perks" as I like to call them. You're good without them, but you're very good with them. I would recommend them both if the budget allows.
 
AndroHard/a DHT source is exactly what you should be looking for, and I am not quite sure what the reason not to add it is.

As mentioned by SamBoz19, this is assuming MPB is not an issue. Personally I don't think 4 weeks on Androhard would provide any real issue with the prostate, unless of course your prostate is already in trouble.

You stated that you want support for libido and gyno. Androhard-LV: Check and Check.

Also, as Gamer mentioned, Gyno can in fact be a problem with Superdrol. Google "Gyno Superdrol" if you dont believe me, and the same can be said about libido. As with any substance, some will and some won't, but if maintaining libido is desired, DHT will support it.

Formestane in some can increase libido, but in many it does the opposite. Look into logs and you will surely find those that claim Formestane dried joints and killed libido. Now this is not a shot at NTBM or Forma Stanzol, as Primordial has a Formestane product as well. I just honestly don't think it is the solution to OP's question.
 
Beastdrol is DEFF a great product and AndroHard would be great to run with it (increases androgens) but i would also rec maybe sustain alphaLV and/or phyto-testosteron with it if you think labido may be an issue.
 
drink ur on urine- it cures all aliments on cycle- serious
 
I like the idea of a DHT compound on cycle with SD. Sounds good, but I don't think it's necessary.

With the formestane in PCT... it's really not suppressive at the right dosages (100-200mg) and can be used in PCT very successfully. And it's ability to help you keep gains in the long run and look good in PCT outweigh it's slight suppressive nature at high doses. But again, this is not necessary just as a DHT compound is not necessary ON cycle.

These are all little "perks" as I like to call them. You're good without them, but you're very good with them. I would recommend them both if the budget allows.

I agree^^^

Forma-stanzol is more than just formastane, it is like sustain alpha and forma combined with a dsmo carrier..

Forma is not suppressive at even 300mg per day.. That though is highly overrated!
 
I can think of alot of reasons for me to not run str8 dht on any cycle. or even androsterone.

but lets not get into a pissing match.

if you want the best to stack with superdrol, then use test, or some form of it. if that means dermacrine transdermal, or a bottle of 4ad utt xl so be it.

but I'd recomend getting some 4-androstenediol, or injectable test to run with superdrol.
 
here is some info for you....

Written by Russianstar, this information is copyrited

Anyone who knows anything about chemical structures will see that superdrol is not a progestin, and shouldnt cause prolactin like side effects.
The problem is everyone is different and eveyone has different amounts of progestin receptors, wich can cause worse sides in some users than others, one guy can use deca and get no bloat, another with the same dose will get bloat and gyno, because of this one reason alone. Now Beastsrol or superdrol is in itself not that androgenic, and as its structure suggests its not that different to other dht based steroids, now an action takes place that explains how it works... its doesnt act like a typical androgenic, but acts a little like oxymetholone, in that it doesnt show any real affinity for the 5AR enzyme, so you get weaker affinty for the androgen receptor than dht, but you get stronger androgenic effects as the enzyme 3beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase has little effect on the androgen affinity of superdrol.

The problem is this same enzyme 3beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, is used in the conversion of many metaobiles in the body, Superdrol produces a lot of metabolites that dont get bound by the androgen receptor like we just saw, it cant aromatize, so it doesnt bind to the estrogen receptor, but it circulates, as its also a di methyl, it is very biovailable so a lot of the product circulates in the blood, and these extra metabolites dont bind specificly...not in the way they should.. so i will explain in a detailed way then make it much easier to understand.

Prolactin is normaly caused by progestins, but can also be caused by dht, how?
For example, it is currently understood that when testosterone enters the cell cytoplasm it is subsequently converted to the more "active" androgen, dihydrotestosterone, DHT, by reduction at the 5alpha position, This is normal. Dihydrotestosterone is then either bound to a cytoplasmic "receptor" protein Rc, or is further metabolized to either 5alpha-androstane-3alpha,17beta-diol or 5alpha-androstane-3beta,17beta-diol ,DIOL. The binding of DHT to its cytoplasmic receptor protein results in translocation of the steroid-receptor complex into the nucleus where presumably the complex dissociates and DHT exerts its androgenic effects. The transport of DHT to the nucleus can also result from the conversion of testosterone to DHT by nuclear membrane-bound 5alpha-reductase. Prolactin augmentation of DHT effects is envisioned as resulting from interaction of prolactin with its receptor, which due to the large size of the prolactin molecule is probably located in or on the plasma membrane.
Because superdrol is androgenic, but lacks the ability to show affinity via 5ar, it circulates, and this causes the large amounts of androgens to look for a transporter, so that it can bind to the androgen recptor, so it uses prolactin wich has a high affinity to cytoplasmic receptor protein, allowing the androgens, testosterone, to be carried and allowing them to convert to dht, only problem is prolactin hormone or luteotropic hormone is synthesised and secreted by sex binding lactotrope cells in the adenohypophysis (anterior pituitary gland, And this gland now produces more prolactin to help deal with the large amount of testosterone circulating that hasnt bound to the estrogen of androgen receptor, Part of the reason why superdol is so anabolic, So instead of binding to the androgen receptors in the scalp and the prostrate it converts to dht through this unique process, using prolactin to enter the cytoplasmic receptror protein, and allowing it to convert to dht and then bind to the androgen receptors in the muscle, causing its distinct hardening effects, it still cant bind to the scalp or prostrate via 5ar as the form of dht it has converted too doesnt allow for that affinity.
So more prolactin is produced to allow for the superdol to find a receptor ,this excess prolactin triggers a process that fills the breast with milk via a process called lactogenesis, in men however it causes a distinct enlargment of the mammary gland and can even cause a man to lactate.

If superdrol had better binding to the androgen receptor via 5AR then this problem would be prevented, the other thing is that prolactin production can remain elevated for months after a cycle has finished, and once the androgen has been removed, ( the cycle is over) the cytoplasmic receptor proteins have nothing to do other than to allow the prolactin to proceed with its hormonal action within the body, causing the male mammary gland to enlarge ready to produce milk... Hence the REBOUND gyno, this is why proper pct is needed for superdrol, and the use of something to prevent prolactin.

Now the new product Forma-stanozolol will be ideal here as it can prevent the rebound or delayed gyno that beastdrol can cause, how?

As you are aware now, needto is bringing out an awesome new supplement, wich if used alone will increase lbm, improve vascularity and muscle tone, If used at higher doses, a nice conversion to the steroid 4-hydroxytestosterone takes place, wich is actualy less androgenic than formestane and slightly more anabolic.
If used on cycle it can reduce water retention caused by aromatisation to estrogen, so helping you stay looking lean, and improving your post cycle therapy as recovery will be easier.

Now the best bit is this, There are references as that show that DHT applied in areas with high prolactin can reduce gyno. Here is one:

Benveniste O, Simon A and Herson S. Successful percutaneous dihydrotestosterone treatment of gynecomastia occurring during highly active antiretroviral therapy: four cases and a review of the literature. Clinical Infectious Diseases 2001;33:891-893.

This shows that when in this case dht, but anything strongly androgenic in its actions is applied to gyno where high levels of prolactin are found then gyno can be reduced!!! Now this will work with prolactin induced gyno, as this and at least 6 other studies show.
So not only can Forma-stanozolol, the new break through supplement from needto improve gyno the same way masteron can, by preventing estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor, it can also reduce the size of prolactin induced gyno, as it lowers the amount of progestin receptors available, and seems to act as a slight dopmamin agonist.

Now you will see many companies add pregenelone to formestane to reduce the androgenic activity, but it aslo reduces it effects considerably.
Taken oraly it has little effect, but transdermaly it is extremely potent, in fact its used to treat breast cancer as It is available as an intramuscular depot injection , some of you maybe aware called lentaron.

So how does it work exactly, Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level, and slows the growth of cancers, And transdermaly formestane is one of the strongest products for this, so that means lean ROCK HARD gains on cycle. This is because the androgens can no longer convert into estrogen.. thats good news as it doesnt act like exemestane wich form a permanent bond with the aromatase enzyme, so preventing any estrogen wich is bad for your joints and tendons.

So why does gyno happen on cycle?

Bodybuilders who use steroids may experience an increase in estrogen levels , and this has undesirable consequences for a bodybuilder, such as gynecomastia. This is often the case when a natural aromatase inhibitor 4-OHAD has itself been inhibited. 4-OHAD is a metabolite of testosterone, which can mean 4-OHAD remains inhibited whilst aromatase levels are allowed high, so you actualy get even less androgens than normal and higher estrogen levels, so using Forma-Stanozolol can change the ratios allowing the enzyme 4-OHAD to remain active, so limiting estrogen, by increasing testosterone itself through its AI activity, And by preventing estrogen from binding to receptors so preventing gyno, but as it allows some estrogen to circulate, tendons and ligaments are kept strong and healthy.

It has a 12 hour half life wich is great as when used just morning and night it will build up even plasma levels in the blood and be constantly active, so getting full benefits of its AI properties, And through its special abilty to stimulate the dopaminergic system, it can prevent prolactin.. so it actualy can PREVENT GYNO BOTH FROM PROLACTIN AND ESTROGEN, and be used to TREAT GYNO FROM PROLACTIN through its abilty to act as a dopamine agonist, its ability to lower progestin receptor count, and its androgenic properties, And be used to TREAT GYNO CAUSED BY HIGH AROMATISATION.

Yes NEEDTO has done it again...In fact this could even be used to treat and prevent DECA droopiness.

But i havent finished, one more thing makes this perfect not only alone or on cycle but especialy through PCT when estrogen levels rise, problem is if you block estrogen off you get low igf-1 levels... FORMA-stanozolol, Or the main active formestane can increase igf1 levels by a whopping 26 percent!!!

And you know i said it was androgenic... well it is, but it also can reduce BPH, so it even protects your prostrate!!!

And as its a transdermal, you may want to rub it all over your nips for improved action, you see i love milk, but i dont want to make my own, in fact i like boobies but i dont want to grow my own, and FORMA-STANOZOLOL can reduce your chances of either of these ever happening, and believe me for those whove experienced both the former happening, its not nice!!!

So not olny is forma-stano perfect for any cycles using aromatizing compounds, but its perfect for anything that produces prolactin or is progestenic.. It will reduce any sides, or bloat and allow pct to be much easier and more effective.

R.S

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Superdrol doesn't interact with the 5 alpha reductase enzyme because it is already 5 alpha reduced. and From what I have learned, It binds strongly to the androgen receptor.

there is no need to interact with 5a reductase to bind to the androgen receptor. all this does is make test into a stronger androgen, but it can make other compounds like nor androgens into weaker androgens.

Thats the old theory, im pioneering the correct one, biochemistry major, most of what you know i probably wrote bro.
Superdrol is a unique steroid with far different interactions.
5 alpha reductase or to be more specific, 3-oxo-5-alpha-steroid 4-dehydrogenase has 4 main pathways in the conversion of test into DHT, Androgen and estrogen metabolism.. call that 1 if you like, bile synthesis 2, and 3rd prostrate, Superdrol one metabolised can effect all 3, or 4 depending on how you view it.
So through those channels it most certainly does interact, Superdrol is reduced AS I SAID IN THE POST, it doesnt need to be converted, And its unusual because it doesnt show any affinity to 5AR just like Oxymethelone, But dht has a very strong effect on all androgen receptors unless a blocker is introduced, and as i said in my first post Superdol uses a totaly different method of transport to any other steroid i have studied in the lab.
Re read the above post and look up the terms i used to describe the chemical procedures that take place.

RS

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I've been looking into androhard lv lately, set on that for my next cycle around Christmas time but I wanted to stack it with something and lots of good bros recommended beastdrol. Having said that only experience with superdrol was the original, 2 runs of it, damn I miss that stuff. I agree either dermacrine or even just some test p shot Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday would work great for a short cycle. Only libido issues I ever noticed, not myself because my cycles were always 3 or 4 weeks of superdrol, had been from guys taking it longer than 4 weeks, but everyone is different. Two ways to attack the problem, either take a dht derivative like recommended, or use cialis or may I recommend perform by AI, great stuff and won't dilate out your pulmonary vasculature like cialis will, dose dependent of course, good look either way bro.
 
I'm using dermacrine topical with superdrol atm. It is by far my best experience with superdrol. Lean gains and my libido is still up and regular superdrol sides are non-existant.
 
Is dermacrine a similar product to forma at 100mg ed? I want to make sure to avoid libido and shut down while on first three weeks of SD in a SD/epi bridge. Its the DHT that helps to avoid these issues, right?
 
I'm using dermacrine topical with superdrol atm. It is by far my best experience with superdrol. Lean gains and my libido is still up and regular superdrol sides are non-existant.

Very nice to hear, now I need to get my hands on some sd. I was a fan of dermacrine td, not sure if I liked that or the lv version better though.
 
Man.. its a toss up between Sd/androhard or Sd/dermacrine.
 
I can think of alot of reasons for me to not run str8 dht on any cycle. or even androsterone.

but lets not get into a pissing match.

if you want the best to stack with superdrol, then use test, or some form of it. if that means dermacrine transdermal, or a bottle of 4ad utt xl so be it.

but I'd recomend getting some 4-androstenediol, or injectable test to run with superdrol.

i agree here. but i would also clarify in assuming that its sd and will be a short cycle it would have to be prop
 
I was doing some reading on superdrol and found that it is extremely anabolic. The downside is that it has low androgenic activity. Generally speaking, low androgenic activity is good and will prevent androgenic sides. On the other hand, it can increase the risk for gyno and libido related sides.

I just finished PCT for dimethazine, which is similar to superdrol. The major difference is that the anabolic androgenic ratios differ. The dimethazine is less anabolic and more androgenic than superdrol. I had some acne and stuff but no libido issues. Of course I wouldn't know if I had libido issues anyways due to the cialis I have on hand hehe.

I have a BEASTDROL cycle coming up in november. So I have been looking into some supps to prevent the libido and gyno issues that can arise from use of highly anabolic compounds. Best thing I've found so far is AndroHard LV. It basically increases androgens. This would balance things out and prevent any issues. Has anyone tried this?

If you run Test throughout you'll be fine... I never advise oral only cycles.
 
When I asked eric if I shoukd run dermacrine with mlmg/hdrol he advised me that it would be good, but the androhard would be better (I wanted it for libido,anti gyno,and antiprolactin)
 
When I asked eric if I shoukd run dermacrine with mlmg/hdrol he advised me that it would be good, but the androhard would be better (I wanted it for libido,anti gyno,and antiprolactin)

Well I'm sure that cycle will definitely offer results, I was only saying using Testosterone as a fundamental baseline staple will always ensure maximum gains.
 
different strokes for different folks. 10mg does nothing for me, 30mg is my sweet spot and 40mg is amazing.
 
:D. I'm trying 50mg next time I cycle the super. yes 50mg. I was dosing PURE superdrol, I had no sides whatsoever

:trink26:

As a warning to any people looking to run SD for a first time:

These people are very experienced with anabolics, and most have run multiple SD cycles previously. It is not recommended in any sense to run a cycle of this dosage.

Someone had to do it, ****ing junkies....

:joke:
 
yes HTS is very correct. I take a myriad of general health supplements year run such as hawthorn berry, milk thistle, NAC and taurine so let's just say my body is well prepares when SD tries to break it down. it's best to listen to your body when upping doses on compounds such as these and when doing so make sure it is done gradually.


SD is too overhyped for it's toxicity simply because those who use it aren't ready. it is very underrated, sadly, in the gratification of cycle, strength gains and sheer power.
 
OK, so everyone seems to agree that SD would go good with Dermacrine (test type base features.) or Androhard (DHT features.)

So, how about all 3?

Are their any PH type products that would not stack well with the 2 mentioned above?
 
You could low dose forma-stanzol throughout and in PCT.
It is anti estrogenic and slightly androgenic.

If it has androgenic activity it's probably a bad addition to PCT. Anything with androgenic activity will cause some suppression if used at a dosage sufficient to produce said androgenic effects.
 
I would do some form of test or use no base at all... So Dermacrine takes my vote. But there is many other compounds that can be used as a test base not just Derma.

Test for sure for me.
 
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