^ i could vouch for those StaminaRx's too. Give'em like 30 mins & ur ready to go - might get a buzz from them and a runny nose ( like i did ). You can also check liquor stores - they usually got'em in blister packs of two or four, i think.
hopefully you won't need the rc's. glad you will be getting that 2nd bottle to run!!!Day 26
Sunday June 5 2011
Added 5 pounds to barbell flat bench for the second week in a row. The rest of the workout was solid too, but I like to alternate secondary lifts. So I don't keep strict record of things like crossovers, etc
Body comp wise, I still feel that slow but steady changes are occuring. There's a mild pump that sticks around non stop 24 hours. I dont believe that bodyfat is,changing a whole lot. But there's enough lean mass gain so far that my shirt sleeves and chest were tight at the stupid wedding yesterday.
In terms of sides, I thankfully have not noticed any further increased shedding like i had a week or 2 ago. I am noticing some prostate symptoms. Nothing too bad that I havent experienced on cycle before. Libido is pretty flat over the past day or 2. I plan to add in some AI Perform when my order gets here. Hoping I wont have to dip into my RC stash for bedroom fun bc I get FIERCE congestion side effects. We'll see how things develop throughout the week.
In response to the "mild" descriptions, I believe thats a perfectly reasonable adjective for this compound. The side effect profile is mild and manageable. At the same time it would be false to call it explosive. So mild fits and should make it a reletively safe choice for newbies.
Not bad at all, ChrisSo looking at your experience and feeling really big, I decided to weigh in and see where I was. I am holding some water recently, and have not had as many "movements" as normal not sure if you have noticed this or it it is just me. Either way, I am all the way up to 211 this morning. That is a total of 12 lbs.
I KNOW for a fact a decent amount of this extra is water and well other things that need to be flushed. However I can also say without a doubt that the past 2 weeks have been where this bad boy seems to provide it's kick thus far. I would guess my LBM gains are right about 5-6 lbs. Not bad at all for a month with very limited sides.
Seems like we're all pretty happy with the results. The compound has shown to not aggravate my previously existing gyno, side effect profile has been extremely mild, and we're all gaining some lean mass. It should be an easy sell for you guys.Not bad at all, Chris
~Rosie~
Nice. Good to hearSeems like we're all pretty happy with the results. The compound has shown to not aggravate my previously existing gyno, side effect profile has been extremely mild, and we're all gaining some lean mass. It should be an easy sell for you guys.
Speaking of Celc, any thought as to how you will run the second bottle? Have you considered 8 ml for the next 2 weeks or 6 ml for the next 3? What are the dosing plans?Wondering what higher doses would bring.
very good questions!!!Speaking of Celc, any thought as to how you will run the second bottle? Have you considered 8 ml for the next 2 weeks or 6 ml for the next 3? What are the dosing plans?
If I were to make the decision on my own I might increase to 6 ml for 3 weeks, or stay at 4 until you notice a diminishing return then increase the dose for the remainder of the bottle if you want to see how long you can make gains on 4 ML alone. However finding out if a higher dose amplifies the kick is important too which is why I like the idea 6 for 3 more weeks. It is kind of right in between those two mentalities. Definitely get a look at the composition changes for this week first and see what you think.Good questions regarding dosing.
Let's look at the compound first before deciding. I believe this is a slow steady compound where the gains sort of drift into the picture. I do not think this is something that is or can be explosive. With an explosive compound, increasing from 4 units to 6 might make for an insane week or 2 in the gym. I just don't see anything explosive coming from progestin beta even with higher dosing.
Now the counter arguement could be supported by body comp measures tomorrow. IF body comp changes stalled out, maybe it could be argued that a ceiling effect was reached for the 4 unit dosage. Based on that scenario, it's either time to increase dosage or go into pct.
I'm willing to hear everyone's opinion and logic. If the consensus is 8ml for 2 weeks, then bring it on :head:
Day 29
Wednesday, June 8, 2011
Just a quick update after that lengthy discussion... This dill nozzle jumped in with me on squats yesterday. I pyramid up real slow and he jumped in when I had 95 pounds on the bar. He acted real cokcy and I suspect he thought he was gonna out squat me and look tough, especially since he outweighed me by a good 30 or 40 pounds.
I started to chuckle (on the inside of course) when we got up to 275 and his form was breaking. I did my last 3 sets of 11 or 12 clean reps at 365. He moved on to the leg press once I got to 3 plates. He limped away, but I think he faked hurting his knee because it hurt his ego. He probably didn't know that I regularly work with 3 plates and sometimes 4 if I'm feeling good that day.
In hindsight, I would have had no problem at all stopping at 2 plates or 275 to work in higher rep ranges. He kept putting weights on so I just did it. What a cum dumpster.
since you are a good responder to epi, comparing the gains on the progestin to epi is very nice.Agreed with the diminishing returns strategy. I also see your point with compounds that aren't androgenic.
Probably not that big of a deal, but I was one of the weird ones where epi sent my libido skyrocketing and had all sorts of strength kicks right away. I'd put the overall composition results with this progestin right on par with epi though, so we're on the same page in that regard :cheers:
Good deal. Was hoping not to get flamed for the comparison.Agreed with the diminishing returns strategy. I also see your point with compounds that aren't androgenic.
Probably not that big of a deal, but I was one of the weird ones where epi sent my libido skyrocketing and had all sorts of strength kicks right away. I'd put the overall composition results with this progestin right on par with epi though, so we're on the same page in that regard :cheers:
Yeah that was pretty awesome!Really good log you got going here celc! Very detailed and informative :thumbsup:
And btw, I almost choked on my coffee when I read "What a cum dumpster" :toofunny:
damn, celc-those are some real decent results!Good discussion everyone regarding the dosing. Also thanks for the input in pms that I got from a few of you fellas.
Connie,
I went to school with a man that was king of nicknames. I've heard some funny shiit come out of his mouth like Bologne Balls, Douche Nozzle, and Sausage Face.
Kleen,
I really liked epi. I just always feel like it's too suppressive for what i get out of it.
T,
I could swear I saw some newer epithio variations recently. I can't remember if it was on a vendor site, forum discussion, or in a steroid book :think: Either way, be wary if something new comes out, since you're a non responder. If you ever get a chance, try to get your hands on some of CEL's M14. That was badass stuff. Too bad I got sick.
Day 30
Month 1 Review
Day 1..... 185.6 at 14.90%
Day 30... 193.4 at 13.82%
I'm working on getting before and after pics up asap.
I plan on increasing dosage to 6ml/day as soon as my supply arrives.
IMPRESSIVE recomp! :yup:Month 1 Review
Day 1..... 185.6 at 14.90%
Day 30... 193.4 at 13.82%
Awesome progress!Day 30
Month 1 Review
Day 1..... 185.6 at 14.90%
Day 30... 193.4 at 13.82%
I'm working on getting before and after pics up asap.
I plan on increasing dosage to 6ml/day as soon as my supply arrives.
LoL, nice nicknames that buddy came up with :lol:Good discussion everyone regarding the dosing. Also thanks for the input in pms that I got from a few of you fellas.
Connie,
I went to school with a man that was king of nicknames. I've heard some funny shiit come out of his mouth like Bologne Balls, Douche Nozzle, and Sausage Face.
Kleen,
I really liked epi. I just always feel like it's too suppressive for what i get out of it.
T,
I could swear I saw some newer epithio variations recently. I can't remember if it was on a vendor site, forum discussion, or in a steroid book :think: Either way, be wary if something new comes out, since you're a non responder. If you ever get a chance, try to get your hands on some of CEL's M14. That was badass stuff. Too bad I got sick.
Day 30
Month 1 Review
Day 1..... 185.6 at 14.90%
Day 30... 193.4 at 13.82%
I'm working on getting before and after pics up asap.
I plan on increasing dosage to 6ml/day as soon as my supply arrives.
Gotta say man this log has been solid. haven't posted much in here at all but I have been following. Great progress and great results.Good discussion everyone regarding the dosing. Also thanks for the input in pms that I got from a few of you fellas.
Connie,
I went to school with a man that was king of nicknames. I've heard some funny shiit come out of his mouth like Bologne Balls, Douche Nozzle, and Sausage Face.
Kleen,
I really liked epi. I just always feel like it's too suppressive for what i get out of it.
T,
I could swear I saw some newer epithio variations recently. I can't remember if it was on a vendor site, forum discussion, or in a steroid book :think: Either way, be wary if something new comes out, since you're a non responder. If you ever get a chance, try to get your hands on some of CEL's M14. That was badass stuff. Too bad I got sick.
Day 30
Month 1 Review
Day 1..... 185.6 at 14.90%
Day 30... 193.4 at 13.82%
I'm working on getting before and after pics up asap.
I plan on increasing dosage to 6ml/day as soon as my supply arrives.
I know right, I didn't have these types of results in mind when I volunteered. Pleasant surprise :thumbsup:damn, celc-those are some real decent results!
Rosie, a few weeks back I wasn't seeing much recomp. But I had it wrong early on. The 3rd and 4th week recomp is definitely noticeable.IMPRESSIVE recomp! :yup:
~Rosie~
I haven't recieved it. Today is Day 31 and I'll be taking my last dose of what I have left soon.Awesome progress!
I am waiting to hear back on the status of that second bottle. As soon as I hear something I will pass it along
I was seeing rediculous results 3 and 4 days in at 4 caps/day. I got freakin bronchitis and was totally pissed that I couldn't keep it going. The pumps were straight out off the chart. It was already rivaling 20mg of Superdrol in that department.Regarding the M14, you said it was badass stuff, maybe I have to pick some up while I can still find it :think: You highly suggest it?!
Have your LMG on hand but I'd just get a third bottle of M14 if I were you. I wouldn't "sloppy" it up with LMG unless I wasn't responding to the M14. Probably need an AI with M14 btw if we hadn't said it already.I have two bottles ready to stack with two bottles of M-LMG Glad to hear it's some good $h1t
Oh yeah LMG and M14 would be wet as $hit. I'd definitely run an AI on cycle like erase or maybe the last bottle of novadex xt I have sitting on my shelfHave your LMG on hand but I'd just get a third bottle of M14 if I were you. I wouldn't "sloppy" it up with LMG unless I wasn't responding to the M14. Probably need an AI with M14 btw if we hadn't said it already.
Sometimes it really takes the last 1-2 weeks of a month of using a product to notice the difference that it makes (if it makes one), because the first couple of weeks can see quite a lot of fluctuation up and down with everything, I have learned - if you do it week-by-week re progress (as I have sometimes shown in my product reviews), you can see it. But, yeah, you've done a great job so farRosie, a few weeks back I wasn't seeing much recomp. But I had it wrong early on. The 3rd and 4th week recomp is definitely noticeable.
Any insight on dosage suggestions for the second bottle Eric?PM me your info bro I have that other bottle for you. It will go out on Monday.
lol-sounds like you have things prioritized. hopefully you get that 2nd bottle soon!!!Taurus Nut,
pm sent. Today is day 32 and I'm all out. I don't anticipate any implications from taking a day or 2 off, but if it turns out to be like a week....
Day 32
Over the past 2 days, I sat back and brainstormed what I have done well and what I have botched in the past during cycles. The thing that stood out was that I planned the first 3-4 weeks very well and then sort of got indecisive where to go from there until my pct plan kicked in. So I set my priorities and put them into play right away for the rest of this run:
1) Be healthy. I will start every workout with cardio from here on out. On shoulder day and back day, it will be HIIT on the treadmill. No more "lazy" cardio if I want to stay healthy.
2) Feel good. I took yesterday off to avoid burnout. And I'm following cardio with Kleen's low back "protection plan" and my own personal rotator cuff plan. I've felt little "tweaks" in those areas before and never want to deal with real problems in those areas.
3) Look good. Lifting heavy never makes me look good. No one has ever in my entire life asked me what I deadlift or what I squat. A few guys in the gym notice when I lift heavier but I don't want guys to notice. I want women to notice. Women notice when I'm lean and pumped. So powerlifting is a complete waste of time and energy for me.
4) Be strong. First if I can be healthy, feel good, and look good, THEN I'll add some weight if it doesn't compromise the other things that are more important to me.
Not sure if any of that made sense, but it's what's been on my mind. Btw, today's workout was wicked. I'm starting to really see the results in the mirror with new development.
Thanks for the heads up. I was thinking the same thing from some of the logs I was reading up on. Prolly do prami/caber or something on hand just in case. But I also have to say that i've ran epi, SD, Phera, Epi/Tren, and Halo/Fura and i've never had any kind of gyno or estro issue (but then again all of those aren't really that estrogenic compared to M14 IMO). In fact...the only negative issue I ever have from a cycle is shutdown (and in some cases my libido increases over the course of the whole cycle). Also notice extra hair growth.DarkHalf,
might want to have an RC on hand with your plan. My nips were on fire already (in just 3 or 4 or 5ish days) and I was just about to start formestane before I got sick. Honestly, I probably would have eventually broke out the exem. The estrogen conversion was real, bloated and everything with M14 even early on. I think BP felt like it was going up with the "heartbeat in my ears" thing going on, but that could have just been me getting sick so who knows. I got lazy when I got sick so I never checked BP that time.
Good things come to those who wait!Unfortunately, nothing to report.
Unfortunately, nothing to report.
Did you get a tracking number for the stuff? Maybe they can get one so you know where it is. Would make the wait less intense.
I just check and was told the bottle went out yesterday (6/14) via USPS and there is no tracking number sorry. Hopefully it finds its way to you soon!Good things come to those who wait!
fingers crossed for today....Thanks for the update Josh. Iirc, I got my package quickly the first time around so hopefully that indicates a swift exchange again.
That is a very impressive recomp :arms:Objective: The Numbers
Body Comp: I gained 8 pounds of lean mass and lost 1 pound of fat based on weekly skinfolds. Progestin Beta was surprisingly more anabolic than I expected.
Strength: I gained approximately 10 pounds per lift on upper body compound lifts such as BB Flat Bench Press and DB Rows. I gained approximately 20 pounds per lift on power moves such as squats, straight leg DL, and shrugs. Those are all in a 3 sets of 12 rep range to give perspective. I agree with Kleen's perspective that the compound didn't inherently make me stronger. Strength would creep up when lean mass would increase.
Number of Visible Abs at Rest:
Pre-Cycle: 0
Post Cycle: 2 at rest, 4-6 post workout