Pre-Workout Decision

ronaldino

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Hey guys, so before I get my **** wrecked by everyone. Yes, I did use the search option. haha I looked all over and just got a bunch of this stuff rocks with no basis to their opinion.

So here's the deal. I have never bought a pre-workout supplement before. I have been trying to experiment between different supplements using samples before I spent 30+ dollars on a supplement that I would be dissapointed from.

So far I have tried superpump 250, pump fuel, muscle marinade, and no xplode once a long time ago. I can't remember what happened with the no xplode so I won't really include that but I didn't feel much of superpump 250. I donno why, maybe cuz i only took one serving who knows. Pump fuel worked ok until halfway in my workout I just crashed. Muscle Marinade was badass .......other then the fact that my heart would race for 10 hours after my workout, I would feel pissed off, and my head just felt loopy haha. I'm looking for something in between and wanted to hear some of what people thought.( with some basis or detail to their arguement. Not just this **** is the best preworkout ever made)

I have a few samples laying around still and am going to be trying them but wanted to hear a few opinions because I don't have any time to try them all before I move away to college and won't be able to get to this store again. (I have store credit).

I have a sample of
1. 1.M.R.
2. Noxipro by CTD LABS
3. Superpump 250 (gunna give it another go)
4. HemoRage Black

I have also heard great things about NO Xplode but have no sample. Im curious to give it a try but I want to hear some opinions. I am wanting something not too strong on the stims like muscle marinade was. I am skeptical of 1.M.R. and hemorage though because I know they have large amounts of both caffeine and geranium like MM did so we'll see.

Anyways I'm done talking too much. I'm just looking for some input on what people thought would be the way to go. Thanks in advance guys
 
If geranium hits you like that, I highly suggest you try White Flood. Pumps, focus, energy, taste, it has it all. You can get samples in their thread in the company promotion section (or just PM Dracoy), or better yet, they're one of the only companies smart enough to sell a mini-tub with 20 seevings for $15 (was $12 intil a few days ago). Get the fruit punch.
 
There are other awesome options, as well, like RagNOrok, Cre02, MAN Clout, etc. If there's one you're interested in, ask and I'll tell you more specifics.

I'm not a huge fan of many of the current pre-workouts. they are getting more and more stim heavy, and I don't believe it's great for long term performance. A product like MAN Clout or Cre02 will smoke the stim heavy PW products in absolute performance, strength, and recovery gains, and if you need a stim boost, you can add in a caffeine cap, shot of espresso, or product like white flood.
 
Thanks guys I appreciate the input. I've heard good things about some of the products posted especially white flood. I'm not sure what it was that hit me when I took the Muscle Marinade. I'm interested in trying some of these but as I have store credit at this place and don't like to waste it, I'm trying to find something that the guy has in stock. I would look online to check it out but the website isn't up completely yet. Its called "Nutrition Depot". Either way they got a pretty good selection compared to other nutrition stores around but I'm not sure they have white flood, anadraulic state, ragnorok and so on. I'll have to check though. I have never been a huge believer of all these pre workout products with loads of fillers and propriety blends and b.s. forms of creatine and ......well the list goes on and on. Muscle Marinade seemed to be a no B.S. product. Just scientifically proven ingredients. I just didn't have a good reaction to it. For right now I'll have to stick to what the store has to offer but after that I'll for sure try some of the products mentioned
 
I have tried many as well in the past including NO-Xplode when it first came out, and after they updated their formula. In many cases I either get no effect, or the effect wears off after you build tolerance to it and 3 scoops don’t even do anything anymore.
There are three that I would recommend you try from my own experience. I like to try new things that are not main stream, and I am always impressed by the hidden gold I find (sometimes not though).
At least with those three, you know how much you are getting per ingredients and no hidden formula or propriety blend crap.

1. Bulldozer XL5000 from NRG bulldozerbig.com which I am currently on. They have the formula on their website as well. This is my favorite for now.

2. Up-Lift from Beverly beverlyinternational.com. Same as above, this is a great formula. Not as strong as Bulldozer for me, but many of the guys I train with swear by it.

3. CGT-10 from Optimum Nutrition. This was my favorite way back, it takes you back to the basics, and you can add to it what is missing since the formula is exposed as well.

Good Luck.
 
First ask: why are you taking a pre-workout drink?
Is it for the pump? Is it to get yourself jacked up? Most pwo drinks are creatine, arginine and caffeine, and way too many are proprietary blends meaning we're not going to tell you haow much of what is in it.
You can take all of those independently. I don't like the caffeine in a lot of these products (just pushes up my blood pressure) and it sounds like you might be sensitive to caffeine or 1,3-Dimethylamylamine.

Best preworkout for me is a whey protein drink, 1.5 g kre alkalyn, 3 g beta alanine and 2 g of arganine all in pill form. There you go. Most of what you'll find in any preworkout drink and I can adjust any one of these to suit my needs.
 
10ringaz said:
First ask: why are you taking a pre-workout drink?
Is it for the pump? Is it to get yourself jacked up? Most pwo drinks are creatine, arginine and caffeine, and way too many are proprietary blends meaning we're not going to tell you haow much of what is in it.
You can take all of those independently. I don't like the caffeine in a lot of these products (just pushes up my blood pressure) and it sounds like you might be sensitive to caffeine or 1,3-Dimethylamylamine.

Best preworkout for me is a whey protein drink, 1.5 g kre alkalyn, 3 g beta alanine and 2 g of arganine all in pill form. There you go. Most of what you'll find in any preworkout drink and I can adjust any one of these to suit my needs.
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I agree with this ^^^ If it's for the focus and stimulation, some of the choices you've listed would be great. However, for pump I'd have to say Invalid Link Removed is my pre-workout of choice, pumps and stimulation - it has it all :)

Check out the feedback thread mate and if you'd like more info just PM:

 
Premax is great if its in your budget! Or MAP, Beta Alanine, Creapure, GPLC will get you alot more and its sweet
 
poison said:
If geranium hits you like that, I highly suggest you try White Flood. Pumps, focus, energy, taste, it has it all. You can get samples in their thread in the company promotion section (or just PM Dracoy), or better yet, they're one of the only companies smart enough to sell a mini-tub with 20 seevings for $15 (was $12 intil a few days ago). Get the fruit punch.
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absolutely, White flood is very underrated on this board for some reason, def try a sample, you will love it. also one of the cheapest per serving, so WIN WIN :)
 
ronaldino said:
Thanks guys I appreciate the input. I've heard good things about some of the products posted especially white flood. I'm not sure what it was that hit me when I took the Muscle Marinade. I'm interested in trying some of these but as I have store credit at this place and don't like to waste it, I'm trying to find something that the guy has in stock. I would look online to check it out but the website isn't up completely yet. Its called "Nutrition Depot". Either way they got a pretty good selection compared to other nutrition stores around but I'm not sure they have white flood, anadraulic state, ragnorok and so on. I'll have to check though. I have never been a huge believer of all these pre workout products with loads of fillers and propriety blends and b.s. forms of creatine and ......well the list goes on and on. Muscle Marinade seemed to be a no B.S. product. Just scientifically proven ingredients. I just didn't have a good reaction to it. For right now I'll have to stick to what the store has to offer but after that I'll for sure try some of the products mentioned
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If its Nutrition Depot they should have MaximizeV2, which I think would be a great option for you. Also, Maximize V2 is definetely a no BS formula, we have all of the basics at good dosages.
 
you may really love maximize v2 the geranium oil dose is mellow, its the first PreWO to not raise my BP noticably....

i mix my maximize v2 with endoamp max and some IBCAA and im good to go :)
 
iForce Dave said:
If its Nutrition Depot they should have MaximizeV2, which I think would be a great option for you. Also, Maximize V2 is definetely a no BS formula, we have all of the basics at good dosages.
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I tried Maximize last Saturday and I have to say it is legit and somehow they figured out how to get rid of the crash from the Geranium in it. Kudos to iForce, this is a great option if you like stim based pwos that are not loaded with Arginine.

My personal favorite is still LG Anadraulic State GT, you can't go wrong with it and it is so much more than a pwo supplement, it is a true kinetic amplification supplement that will allow you to push yourself more than you ever have before. I say pick up a few to try out, give each a few weeks of continuous use, and see what works best for you. There is not one that is best for everyone but there are some, like AS-GT, that seem to be very effective for nearly all users ;).
 
I'm taking ASGT right now and I like it alot. It gives me energy and focus but doesn't get me nuts like some other preworkout supps do.

My favorite overall is 1.M.R. though. I had some samples from a nutraplanet order and DAMN!! My workout was insane and I felt super happy aftewards. It gets like a 5/10 on taste...but it's worth it IMO.
 
JN230 said:
you may really love maximize v2 the geranium oil dose is mellow, its the first PreWO to not raise my BP noticably....

i mix my maximize v2 with endoamp max and some IBCAA and im good to go :)
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Nice! yea i get the same thing with BP, especially on leg/back days but Maximize V2 doesnt give me that effect.

oufinny said:
I tried Maximize last Saturday and I have to say it is legit and somehow they figured out how to get rid of the crash from the Geranium in it. Kudos to iForce, this is a great option if you like stim based pwos that are not loaded with Arginine.
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Awesome thanks! The stim complex is precisely dosed and formulated so there is a gradual drop off in energy levels so you will never "crash" it works great!
 
My vote goes to Maximize V2. I really want to try ASGT though. Lots of fanfare. I alternate pwo's a lot but my mainstay has been Maximize V2 since it came out. Although it has geranium in it, I don't get the headaches or crash that I get from other geranium containing products. It's also has a wide range of effective dosing.

For non-stim, Ultima is good.
 
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I liked superpump but a friend of mine just tried hemo rage black and he absolutely swore by it so I got a sample and I must say that stuff is fantastic, had a great workout. I hear white flood is good too though, muscle marinade made me feel terrible.
 
Hey guys, wow thanks for all the input haha. Didn't expect this much. Guess I picked the best forum to be a part of :D. Yea, it seems as though I'm hearing the best stuff about Jack3d, Anadraulic State GT, MaximizeV2, and all that. Truth is though I did some research on Geranamine (1,3-Dimethylamylamine) and to me that seems to be my problem. All the other preworkouts I have tried in the past have worked ok but none had Geranamine until I used Muscle Marinade and that stuff screwed me up. I'm looking for something without Geranamine at the moment. I'm gunna be trying a sample of superpump 250 tomorrow to see what it's like. But man it sucks trying to avoid all of the preworkouts that everyone is swearing by that has the ingredient. It was a pretty freaky experience though. Thanks for all the help, whether or not the supplement recommended has the ingredient all options are considered and I appreciate it. At the moment the ones I am considering most are white flood and superpump 250! If anyone has an opinion between the two be sure to chime in!
 
fightbackhxc said:
Premax is great if its in your budget! Or MAP, Beta Alanine, Creapure, GPLC will get you alot more and its sweet
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islandmagic said:
I am Pre-max and Assault Fan!
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Cheers for the support lads :)

ronaldino said:
Hey guys, wow thanks for all the input haha. Didn't expect this much. Guess I picked the best forum to be a part of :D. Yea, it seems as though I'm hearing the best stuff about Jack3d, Anadraulic State GT, MaximizeV2, and all that. Truth is though I did some research on Geranamine (1,3-Dimethylamylamine) and to me that seems to be my problem. All the other preworkouts I have tried in the past have worked ok but none had Geranamine until I used Muscle Marinade and that stuff screwed me up. I'm looking for something without Geranamine at the moment. I'm gunna be trying a sample of superpump 250 tomorrow to see what it's like. But man it sucks trying to avoid all of the preworkouts that everyone is swearing by that has the ingredient. It was a pretty freaky experience though. Thanks for all the help, whether or not the supplement recommended has the ingredient all options are considered and I appreciate it. At the moment the ones I am considering most are white flood and superpump 250! If anyone has an opinion between the two be sure to chime in!
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If you want to try something Geranamine-free then I'd definitely try Invalid Link RemovedI think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how effective it is :)
 
gamer2be08 said:
Anadraulic State GT. Hit so many PRs on that ****!
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WILL DA BEAST said:
I'm taking ASGT right now and I like it alot. It gives me energy and focus but doesn't get me nuts like some other preworkout supps do.

My favorite overall is 1.M.R. though. I had some samples from a nutraplanet order and DAMN!! My workout was insane and I felt super happy aftewards. It gets like a 5/10 on taste...but it's worth it IMO.
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I can post upteen reviews on this stuff, but by far this is one of my favorites!, zero crash unlike some pre workout drinks out there. the best thing about this pre work is the pSarms. this is what sets this aside and has so many peopel addign insane strenght and breaking PR's/ any pre work out that has the ability to boost test levels is in a league of its own..

Heres a few links and reviews..

zb126 said:
Taste: 8/10
Most preworkout drinks either taste really sweet, really bland or just really bad. The original AS was pretty gross in my opinion but this is not the case with ASGT. The new formula tastes actually pretty damn good! I can sip on it without a problem and just a little settling in the bottom tastes a little weird.
Comparisons:
-I never liked or disliked the taste of Jack3d necessarily but I think this has a much better more flavor.
-It's less sweet and grainy than SuperPump250 which I think tastes great
-It's less bitter than White Flood.
-ASGT is on par with Cellucor's M5 Extreme as far as enjoyable taste. I actually like the taste of both of these a lot
-No bad flavor like the original AS-- you won't need to slam ASGT, its very sippable.​


Dosage: 9/10
One scoop really puts me in the zone. Energy is there, its clean, not jittery, the focus is apparent within around 25-35 minutes and the "motivation" or feeling to get up and pump some iron really kicks in around that 30-40 minute mark.
Comparisons:
-I've been up to around 2 scoops of the new Jack3d, two of SP250 and full dose of White Flood. This gives me just as much energy with one heaping scoop. From what I've heard, 2 scoops will kick your ass so if you build up a tolerance, there you go.
-Needs just one scoop like M5 and WF
-SP250 I needed 2 scoops most of the time to get this
-Not as much of a vascular feeling as with SP250 or other NO products but this is because they make AP to dose closer to workout time with the creatine product (ASGT) to have 60 minutes preworkout.
-White Flood gave me the tingles a decent amount of the time which I don't mind but ASGT gave me less of tingles all over and just a little on my tounge for a short period around dosing it.
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Energy/Focus: 9.5/10
Energy on ASGT is awesome. It is a great clean energy which will not make you feel stimmed out and is comparable to my first impressions of Jack3d except for with more focus. Didn't really experience any "crash" so that was nice and the sweetest thing I noticed was just increased endurance and really the feeling that I could keep lifting hard for double the time.
Comparisons:

-The focus is more powerful than White Flood and M5
-The energy is cleaner than White Flood which stimmed me out from time to time, and a lot cleaner than 2 scoops of SP250
-The original Jack3d really hit the nail on the head for me as far as preworkouts but my latest (possibly a bad tub) hasn't given me as much energy as I'm experiencing with ASGT.
-Overall Just really felt like I was in the zone, which is a great feeling!
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Price: 9/10
It is 29.99 on the internet for a 45 dose container. This is one of the cheapest name brand and quality preworkouts I've seen in a while! Its a little more expensive per scoop than Jack3d, cheaper than SP250 and WF for and significantly cheaper than M5.


Overall: 9/10
ASGT is awesome. Hands down, its one of the best preworkouts I've ever used. I put ut up there with the original Jacked and I would HIGHLY recommend giving this a shot. The ingredients have been drastically improved and the price is also lower. I was not pleased with the original at all but I am blown away with ASGT. Great work and improvements LG!
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hoopem6 said:
Initial thoughts:

Taste - 8/10 - Not bad at all, actually enjoyable in my opinion. Hints of strawberry/lemon flavoring were prevalent, and not overwhelming.

Mixability -7/10 - For shakes/PreWO's of any variety, I use a funnel and pour the contents into a standard purified water bottle. This technique usually does the trick for a variety of mixable supplements. Unfortunately, after about two minutes of continuous shaking, only 75% of the contents were absorbed (and yes, I did shake the container before using). Leaving a gritty substance/texture in the bottom of the bottle, and my mouth. However, not a big deal by any means... Just a simple observation.

Effectiveness - 10/10 - The focus and aggression Anadraulic State GT provided was top notch. An hours time flew by, while extra reps seemed effortless. Feeling refreshed after a heavy chest/bi/tri's workout, I even managed to do an extra 10 minutes HIIT and a full ab routine!

When used in conjunction with Anadraulic Pump, Anadraulic State delivers a one-two punch. The insane pumps provided by the Anadraulic Pump, and the intensity Anadraulic State GT delivered, made for an absolutely phenomenal workout. -- HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
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bradleywiens said:
Well my bottle of ASGT is empty and in the trash can, so I looks like I need to move on and wright my final review. I will be rating it on a 1-10 scale.

Taste:7/10: ASGT is not the best tasting PWO I have tried, but definitely not the worst, plus I never care about the taste of a product as long as it works. I have heard from many that it is leaps and bounds better than the original AS. I will not be using this in my overall score because it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the product.

Pump: 8/10: Although ASGT is not really a pump product, I did get some nice vascularity and pumps during my workouts. Pumps are not really what I look for in a PWO either. I want something that pushes my workouts to a new level, and ASGT definitely did this.

Endurance: 10/10: This was one of my favorite aspects of ASGT. From the start of my workout, to the very last set, my endurance was awesome. I was adding sets and reps on almost all my workouts. Many times i still had gas in the tank after the session.

Energy: 10/10: This was where ASGT really sines. The energy/focus/drive I got from this stuff was through the roof. I wake up pretty early to hit the gym before work, and ASGT always woke me right up. 45 mins after drinking, I could not to smash the weights. In the gym I felt a huge increase in focus. It was like I had blinders on, and it was just me and the weights. I even stopped bringing my headphones because I would not hear the music while lifting. I would zone out and lift.

Libido: This one is kindda hard to rate. I did feel a good about of aggression on ASGT, and I am sure its because of its SERM/SARM complex, but I don't really know how it affected my libido. Since I only see the wife on weekends, my libido is already pretty high come Friday.

Strength: 9/10: The strength increase I got from ASGT was a gradual smooth increase. I did not smash too many PR's, but was able to hit more sets with more reps, with better form and contraction. I could really feel all the muscles I was working. Because I am currently on a cut with minimal carbs and lowers cals, my strength was going down a little. ASGT helped me stay strong on my lifts, and actually improve on many as well.

Sides:10/10: The only side I experienced while on ASGT was a increase in sweat. This is an awesome side. It means I was putting out with more intensity, and burning more cals! If only all supps had sides like this.

Overall score: 9.4

ASGT is a solid PWO plus some. It has all the makings of a PWO product plus T-boosting, E-controlling, and much more. Nothing out there really compares to it, and its price cannot be beat. I highly recommend ASGT, it has become a staple of my stash.
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How will you be rating ASGT?

Scale 1-10

Pump(1): 7

By itself ASGT isn't going to provide 'skin tearing muscle pumps,' but that's not what I look for in a preworkout. I'm more interested in the endurance and strength gaining potential of a preworkout product. There was some moderate vascularity that would be similar to that of a meal of complex carbs prior to a workout. Not those huge sugar veins, but a heightened vasodialation none the less.

* I will include however that when ASGT is taken in conjunction with Anadraulic Pump, that the pump is phenomenal. But that review is for a later date.

Endurance(2): 9

This is one of the areas where ASGT shines. I felt like every week I was either adding more weight or additional reps to my workout. It was almost problematic when I had already reached my planned number of sets for the day and I felt like I should do more. I didn't want to toe the line of overtraining with ASGT, but if I were to go down the rabbit's hole, I'd want to take ASGT with me.

Energy(2): 10

ASGT is amazing in the energy department. Normally when I think of energy in preworkouts I'm thinking jittery stimmed out energy. Usually following the burst of energy comes a crash that leaves you feeling useless afterward. This is not the case with ASGT. The energy from ASGT is more of a leveling focusing energy. If you're tired, it makes you 'untired' without making you feel stimmed out. It also helps to narrow your focus on one thing, SFW. Slam f*cking weight. ASGT also lets you down without leaving you feeling miserable. It slowly eases off, very different from most preworkouts. It also has minimal impact of sleep when taken at night (taken at 8pm, bed by 12 or 1am.)

Libido: *

Sorry folks, nothing to see here. I won't try to make something up or say that it did nothing.

Strength(2): 9

Steady gains week after week. Nothing but good things to say about ASGT in the strength department. I am a Creatine Monohydrate proponent and it was good to see that as the main creatine source in this product. A 10 would have been the weight moving by itself. The strength on this was great.

Sides(1): 10

No sides! No loss of sleep, no headaches, no excess gas, no upset stomach from the pSarm, no nothing! The only 'side' to report is the tingling on the lips when it's consumed. To quote Frank The Tank; "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!"


Overall: 9.1 out of 10.
I counted Endurance, Strength, and Energy more than Pump and Sides since those three are more important to me when dealing with a preworkout product. I didn't include libido.

For the TL;DR crowd:
ASGT is f*cking amazing! Everything I look for in a preworkout without any of the negative sides. PRs are a regular occurrence with ASGT. It should be renamed ASPR. Try it now![/center]
 
To add in a different perspective...

First, you could just creatine your own concotion...all you need...A BCAA/EAA product (I suggest Purple Wraath personally because of its great formula and versatility), GPLC, Creatine Nitrate (C-Bol), and If you need stims...get something like Black Cats, but if 1,3 Dimeth bothers you then get RPM and your workouts will be absolutely F*cking awesome!!! May sound pricey, but in reality...if your only using these products when it matters...pre-workout you get a great value.

Or

How about something like Ultima? That is one great formula and you can add stims if you want...I like that idea a lot better.

Additionally, I personally like Superpump 250, Assault, ASGT tastes much better than the original, but in truth the original Anadraulic State was better IMO...the taste was just hard to deal with...I'm talking like I'd rather put gravel down my throat, but if it the product works you deal with the sh*t taste...for example, the original NO Shotgun was tha shiznit, but the taste was horrid...the effects made the sh*t taste worth dealing with.

Just sharing some different perspectives...

Cheers!:cheers:
 
hahahahaha! i didnt notice those in the first picture thats great! I really wonder how the stuff is!! I haven't got my sample yet, and I've only tried jack3d so far, and I pretty much have to take 3 scoops and I don't majorly feel it... I need something powerful! which kinda worries me, that the sample will fail, since its only 1 serving :[
 
Roguearthur said:
hahahahaha! i didnt notice those in the first picture thats great! I really wonder how the stuff is!! I haven't got my sample yet, and I've only tried jack3d so far, and I pretty much have to take 3 scoops and I don't majorly feel it... I need something powerful! which kinda worries me, that the sample will fail, since its only 1 serving :[
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AS-GT is potent, 1 scoop is effective for many people. Also, you have to take into consideration that most quality products don't show their true potential in 1 serving. AS-GT really does not begin to truly shine until the second week, then things really start to get going in the strength and endurance gains (in my experience); from there they continue to get progressively better out to 12 weeks of use.
 
oufinny said:
AS-GT is potent, 1 scoop is effective for many people. Also, you have to take into consideration that most quality products don't show their true potential in 1 serving. AS-GT really does not begin to truly shine until the second week, then things really start to get going in the strength and endurance gains (in my experience); from there they continue to get progressively better out to 12 weeks of use.
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Correct,^^ with the pSarms and everything else you wont have the chance for those to do there job in one dose, the Stim? oh yes!
 
I agree with one of the guys up there that asked why are you taking a pre-workout supplement. Is it for energy, pump, or creatine content?


I use AS-GT for my lifts and my cardio, I get a great focus from the AS-GT for my cardio and the intensity, strength and endurance I get for my lifts is really nice. I noticed a lot of other supps mentioned here that are all NO Products being compared to AS-GT, which likens comparing a pack mule to a quarter horse. Both are excellent at their job but the job is different. AS-GT is a pre-workout supplement but it is not designed to give you a pump. It is designed to give you several different things, ATP for the workout via the low dose of carbs and the creatine, a well timed boost in testosterone via the SERMS and AI's in it, and better response from the androgen receptors via the pSARMs. It is basically to put you into a heightened anabolic and androgenic state hormonally before your workout. The science behind the product is legit and the real world experience I have had on it confirms it works. I have been hitting PRs pretty regularly while using the product. Strength seems to increase pretty regularly and now I am in a caloric deficit of just over 2000 cals a day. To me that says it is doing what the label claims. When I want more intense energy I will add 1-1.5 scoops of Jack3d or Anadraulic Pump and I am friggin blasting off. However it sounds like you are stim sensitive so the lower dose of Geranium in Anadraulip Pump would probably be okay for you. It has the smoothest lowest dose of geranium I have found in a pre-workout that contains it. I have heard the muscle marinade is HELLA STRONG on the stims so you may even be okay with Geranium just not in that amount. Jack3d was the stronger geranium for me and DreamWeaver said that MM was a lot more stimmed than Jack3d so you may want to give geranium another shot with something not as loaded with stims.

If you are looking for a pump then you should either add in an NO product with it as it is designed to have done or only use a NO/ pump product. I will say the addition of either of the two pump products I mentioned above makes for some hella pumps.

You just have to decide how much you want from a pre workout product. NO, energy and pump, tons of great stuff out there. Being set up to get the most out of your workout and getting better recovery and obvious strength increases I would go with AS-GT.
 
Liftergym33 said:
Correct,^^ with the pSarms and everything else you wont have the chance for those to do there job in one dose, the Stim? oh yes!
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If you don't feel the stims in AS-GT, something is wrong with you.
 
white flood
hemavol
anadraulic pump
or just make your own
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oufinny said:
If you don't feel the stims in AS-GT, something is wrong with you.
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Yeah could be! When you've used multiple stims at the same time pre-workout then only caffeine and syn aren't quite enough. Having said that I'm on my second tub of ASGT and I have to say it really is the complete pre-workout in every other way. I just take it with OEP!
 
everyone talks about ASGT(i have not tried it so i cant say)
but anadraulic pump gives me a good pump plus its cheap but i cant wait to try ASGT though
also hemavol is pretty awesome too and i got a steal of a deal on 4 bottles of it :D
 
saggy321 said:
Yeah could be! When you've used multiple stims at the same time pre-workout then only caffeine and syn aren't quite enough. Having said that I'm on my second tub of ASGT and I have to say it really is the complete pre-workout in every other way. I just take it with OEP!
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Exactly how I feel AS-GT gives me a nice smooth energy. However I like to feel stimmed in the gym as long is I can focus and am not shaky. I get enough from AS-GT to have a good boost but if I want sheer intensity it is time to introduce Geranium. Hell a 60mg geranium cap with AS-GT is unfugging believable!
 
yea haha that seems to be most people's reaction with geranamine (1,3-Dimethylamylamine) trust me it was pretty "unfugging believable" for me too until after the workout haha.

Btw guys today I also tried a sample of superpump250 not much to report here. Nothing special. Not sure if it was because I only took one serving rather then the recommended two but either way there is no comparison to the endurance, strength, and focus I had with MM. Next on the list to try is No xplode, White flood, ASGT, premax, and possibly jack3d. Only issue is that I dont think any of these are offered at the store ive got credit at other then Jack3d and no xplode. Again I'll have to check.
 
rochabp said:
everyone talks about ASGT(i have not tried it so i cant say)
but anadraulic pump gives me a good pump plus its cheap but i cant wait to try ASGT though
also hemavol is pretty awesome too and i got a steal of a deal on 4 bottles of it :D
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Well, just wait till you stack the two! ASGT/AP
 
I'm not a big fan of pre-workout supps anymore unless let's say I had some sort of athletic workout in the morning and still wanted to hit weights at night. I don't really feel stims are the best for athletic performance in many instances. I've had the best workouts on things that give me more of a constant sense of well-being like a test booster and my best pumps came from kre-alkalyn, althought a lot of people don't care for it. Geranium really got me ready to go as well in the past. Come to think of it I got some pretty intense pumps from 17-HD, so you probably shouldn't listen to me.
 
I personally think white flood was bad.. I took both servings in the sample and green magnitude with it, I didn't feel it, but I guess thats the same with 3 scoops of jack3d for me, my body is so annoying, I don't drink coffee usually but at work once a week ill have a americano (like 4 shots of espresso) and not feel anything...
 
I wish I knew how much geranamine was in MM, Jack3d, and other preworkouts. So i know if I can just tone down the dosage a little. Instead of avoiding it completely.
 
I think everyone knows my vote is already going to be fore ASGT.

Best clean energy and strength product I have used for PreWo.
 
ronaldino said:
I wish I knew how much geranamine was in MM, Jack3d, and other preworkouts. So i know if I can just tone down the dosage a little. Instead of avoiding it completely.
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Contact a rep from one of the companies, ask them specifically how much in in a serving. A lot of reputable companies will tell you if you ask.
 
ronaldino said:
I wish I knew how much geranamine was in MM, Jack3d, and other preworkouts. So i know if I can just tone down the dosage a little. Instead of avoiding it completely.
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I too have been interested in trying MM but the reported strength of the stim complex has me quite concerned. Too much geranium is not a pleasent feeling, makes my heart palpitate and my asthma starts to act up; a very dangerous combination for someone with exercise induced asthma. Oh, and the fact that AS-GT is the baddest I have ever tried kinda makes me believe there really is no need to stray from a proven winner ;). :box:
 
I definitely will have to give ASGT a try thats for sure. I'll ask some of the reps about geranamine content in other preworkouts and once I figure it out I'll post it on here as well
 
ronaldino said:
I definitely will have to give ASGT a try thats for sure. I'll ask some of the reps about geranamine content in other preworkouts and once I figure it out I'll post it on here as well
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22$ right now! at Nutra...better get it while its still in stock:D, then you'll kick your own ass for not buying more..:)
 
Oh and also this might be a noob question. But with the SERM/AI characteristics and pSARM complex would this be ideal for someone my age? I don't know much about alterations to natural testosterone levels and I know the SERM/AI qualities are supposed to be through natural ingredients but just making sure I am not messing with something that I shouldn't be
 
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