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PP sustain alpha or AI perform, cant get hCG

gymrat827

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I will be starting a 8wk cycle soon.
P stanz, 11 sterone wks 1-6
D plex wks 4-8

I have no access to hCG and want something to take while on cycle to help with shutdown, libido, keeping my boys at a somewhat normal size.

The two products Ive narrowed it down to are Sustain Alpha and Perform. I will be using one of the two from wks 5-9. I am mainly doing this so i am not as shutdown during PCT. What would you guys take??
 
I know very little of Perform... I think SA is a great test booster though, i enjoyed mine. And I think you should check into HCGenerate, people have been loving it for on cycle support with natty test. I just saw a post where a guy was on TRT and his libido and ballsize increased from it.
 
UnrealMachine said:
I know very little of Perform... I think SA is a great test booster though, i enjoyed mine. And I think you should check into HCGenerate, people have been loving it for on cycle support with natty test. I just saw a post where a guy was on TRT and his libido and ballsize increased from it.
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yeah bro thats me. and its no lie. this guy should definitely try the Hcgenerate. to the op check out my log in the log section
 
Im on that now and the I-GF 1. I had it stacked with pink magic & supress C for a cut. Nothing to shout about, I expected a lot more from the stack. The PM and Hcgenenate are pretty much gone and the other two ive got maybe 3-4 days left.

This is why I am using the PH's to cut, i need to be 5% BF.

I ran some tren and halodrol maybe 6 months back and took some trib on cycle along with ZMA and other natural stuff to help with shutdown. Even with Clomid for PCT it was rough.

Ive read one thread about the PP SA on cycle with okay result.
 
Id say go with the SA also. Have you looked into tcf-1 also?
 
gymrat827 said:
I will be starting a 8wk cycle soon.
P stanz, 11 sterone wks 1-6
D plex wks 4-8

I have no access to hCG and want something to take while on cycle to help with shutdown, libido, keeping my boys at a somewhat normal size.

The two products Ive narrowed it down to are Sustain Alpha and Perform. I will be using one of the two from wks 5-9. I am mainly doing this so i am not as shutdown during PCT. What would you guys take??
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Our Sustain Alpha product has had rave reviews over the years for its effects on enhancing libido, improving mood, etc.

I think it would be a good addition to your cycle here, but nothing is a substitute for hCG imo at the current time. We've had quite a few guys that have taken Sustain Alpha during (6-8 week) cycles report that their shutdown was mitigated to a degree from their prior experiences with the same compounds. We're still in the process of acquiring more bloodwork to show any noted effects in this regard; not to mention, there are some great things in the works from Primordial Performance in the near future. :D

So, to sum this up: Nothing is a substitute for hCG here, however, our Sustain Alpha product is still a good addition to your cycle here. Let me know if you have any other questions.




-John
 
LIKE JOHN SAID SUSTAIN IS A GREAT PRODUCT THAT WILL HELP YOU OUT WHILE ON CYCLE. BUT NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR HCG.
 
I used TD Sustain Alpha on my balls while on cycle and that seemed to help. Would do that 5 days on 2 days off but wasnt a fan of the 2 days I was off. HCGenerate has been great for me post cycle still putting SA TD on my balls.
 
I was going to use TCF-1 during pct with clomid and ai post cycle support. It looks like SA is it. Thanks guys
 
gymrat827 said:
Im on that now and the I-GF 1. I had it stacked with pink magic & supress C for a cut. Nothing to shout about, I expected a lot more from the stack. The PM and Hcgenenate are pretty much gone and the other two ive got maybe 3-4 days left.
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Are you surprised lol... that stack won't do much for your physique.

I never believed a test booster type supplement will help you physique wise...but trust me, for PCT and keeping the boys going while ON... they serve that purpose way better than they would for helping you cut up or add LBM IMO. They just won't do that. But they will help with test numbers, and they will help with testicle size, and that's a ton of help for being in PCT or being ON cycle.
 
Trauma1 said:
Our Sustain Alpha product has had rave reviews over the years for its effects on enhancing libido, improving mood, etc.

I think it would be a good addition to your cycle here, but nothing is a substitute for hCG imo at the current time. We've had quite a few guys that have taken Sustain Alpha during (6-8 week) cycles report that their shutdown was mitigated to a degree from their prior experiences with the same compounds. We're still in the process of acquiring more bloodwork to show any noted effects in this regard; not to mention, there are some great things in the works from Primordial Performance in the near future. :D

So, to sum this up: Nothing is a substitute for hCG here, however, our Sustain Alpha product is still a good addition to your cycle here. Let me know if you have any other questions.




-John
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i like pp products very much esp dermacrine and toco and use them daily so im no hater. have tried sa in td and lv and ill say that at least for me there is no comparison between sa and hcgenerate. hcgen hands down
 
ambulldog said:
i like pp products very much esp dermacrine and toco and use them daily so im no hater. have tried sa in td and lv and ill say that at least for me there is no comparison between sa and hcgenerate. hcgen hands down
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That's fair enough. Not every product is going to work the same or give the same type of results in each individual. I'm just pointing out that our SA product has stood the test of time over the years and continues to receive positive feedback from those that use it as an individual test booster, or as part of a stack.

Dermacrine and Toco-8 are great products in their own right as well; glad that you're enjoying them.



-John
 
chocolatemilk said:
Are you surprised lol... that stack won't do much for your physique.

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Well I thought the GH supps would help cut weight/ cut up and the test booster would help me keep my strength at its current level. I also used the supress C because I would be working out for 90mins and do two a days.
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I myself have used Sustain Alpha TD during a cycle wayyy back when primordial first introduced it and enjoyed it a ton, also used it into PCT and recovered great from it. Definately cant go wrong with Sustain Alpha.
 
ambulldog said:
i like pp products very much esp dermacrine and toco and use them daily so im no hater. have tried sa in td and lv and ill say that at least for me there is no comparison between sa and hcgenerate. hcgen hands down
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Wow buddy. Appreciate the feedback :)
 
Trauma1 said:
That's fair enough. Not every product is going to work the same or give the same type of results in each individual. I'm just pointing out that our SA product has stood the test of time over the years and continues to receive positive feedback from those that use it as an individual test booster, or as part of a stack.

Dermacrine and Toco-8 are great products in their own right as well; glad that you're enjoying them.



-John
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i like derm enough to have stocked up during your sale
 
BarbellBeast said:
Wow buddy. Appreciate the feedback :)
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your welcome. i only give honest feedback about the supps i use. we as consumers have that right because we spend our hard earned money on these products and owe it to our fellow brethren to do so. i will say again i like pp very much just never impressed with sa. as a matter of fact i gave andrew732 all of mine in the past
 
gymrat827 said:
Anyone else run sa?
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lots of people have and it gets very very good reviews. i personally just didnt care or it. not every supp works for every person
 
gymrat827 said:
Anyone else run sa?
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I personally like to overkill my pct, I use torem, if you can get it, and sustain alpha. Haven't tried perform but I've heard good things if used before intercourse, problem is sometimes you don't know when its gonna happen, what do you do say hey baby wait 30 minutes gotta pop my boner pills? If you do and she says ok I'll wait, you got yourself a bonafied skunt, just my opinion.
 
I must say I rec sustain alph(a great test booster), toco-8 AND HCGenerate and have T-911 on hand for erection issues if they arise.
I think thsi stack would be a help.

If your really worried throw in 20mg ed nolvadex (or 50mg clomid) for 3 weeks in there also, thow i dont think you will need it.
 
Hey guys, good thread. Im also bout to start a epi cycle @ 30mg ed for 6 weeks. Def plan on using A.I. PCS, Lean Extreme and Activate 4 weeks into PCT as a natty boost. I know that using a AI is key in a good PCT but sorry to say, I cannot get a SERM, my oversea source is out and Im leery of the research comps on net as I dnt know which are legit. My question is as an AI, will using 6 oxo AND Alpha Sustain be overkill? Can I take both or one over the other (more likely the SA) along with the PCS (which is a mild AI as well). Like someone mentioned above, I heard ppl like to hit there PCT from all angles, sometimes even overkill at that, PCT usually being more expensive and prolly more important than the actual cycle itself. This is my first experience with an OTC PCT and know that there is no sub for a SERM/test boost PCT but a SERM is unattainable at the moment...and I like the idea of incorporating SA into the epi cycle for shutdown, which is why if I have to choose b/w this or 6oxo, will choose this...
 
esco0101 said:
Hey guys, good thread. Im also bout to start a epi cycle @ 30mg ed for 6 weeks. Def plan on using A.I. PCS, Lean Extreme and Activate 4 weeks into PCT as a natty boost. I know that using a AI is key in a good PCT but sorry to say, I cannot get a SERM, my oversea source is out and Im leery of the research comps on net as I dnt know which are legit. My question is as an AI, will using 6 oxo AND Alpha Sustain be overkill? Can I take both or one over the other (more likely the SA) along with the PCS (which is a mild AI as well). Like someone mentioned above, I heard ppl like to hit there PCT from all angles, sometimes even overkill at that, PCT usually being more expensive and prolly more important than the actual cycle itself. This is my first experience with an OTC PCT and know that there is no sub for a SERM/test boost PCT but a SERM is unattainable at the moment...and I like the idea of incorporating SA into the epi cycle for shutdown, which is why if I have to choose b/w this or 6oxo, will choose this...
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You're using Epi - you don't need a SERM for that (and I know plenty of individuals who have run a successful Epi cycle and OTC PCT - there are even logs on this board of it).

You don't need to use an AI AND Invalid Link Removed, no. The Resveratrol in Invalid Link Removed blocks estrogen and boosts testosterone, so it controls estrogen. You have estrogen under control - you don't want to annihilate it. And you definitely don't need to use more than ONE product with estrogen controlling effects.

As I have mentioned a few other places of late, although dependent on the hormonal compound/s used, the bulk of PCT should include each of the following products alongside your basic staples:
* Testosterone Boosters (one product that increase Free Testosterone and Total Testosterone or a stack covering both areas)
* Lutelizing Hormone Releaser
* Cortisol Controller
* Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibitor (SERMS are not always a necessity for PCT, and in fact, should only be carefully considered, depending on the compound/s used).

~Rosie~
 
So basically cut out the 6oxo due to overkill on estro block. What about the PCS the along with SA, still too much? I always hear ppl swear by PCS. Will use LX for cort block (when in PCT should it be used), Activate as test boost (when in PCT), SA all thru PCT. MY dilemma is gettin HCG for LH although I've heard in past that HCG should be used more ON cycle...can I get by on the 3 of four?
 
esco0101 said:
So basically cut out the 6oxo due to overkill on estro block. What about the PCS the along with SA, still too much? I always hear ppl swear by PCS. Will use LX for cort block (when in PCT should it be used), Activate as test boost (when in PCT), SA all thru PCT. MY dilemma is gettin HCG for LH although I've heard in past that HCG should be used more ON cycle...can I get by on the 3 of four?
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Yes, cut the 6-oxo.

If by PCS, you mean Cycle Support by A.I. Sports, then you can use that on cycle and continue into PCT if you want - that's up to you.

For Epi, you don't need hcg either, IMO - Activate Xtreme, Lean Xtreme, and Invalid Link Removed are adequate for PCT. If you want something that helps with LH, then look into Toco-8.

The guys may have some other suggestions.

~Rosie~
 
Esco, hcg don't worry about it, and for future reference never use it during pct, bad idea. The above outlined pct by rosie will do just fine. I have used sustain alpha standalone for some lighter ph cycles, and for my aas cycles I use it stacked with torem. How old are you? Depending on age, a serm is definitely not needed for most ph cycles, and as long as you run a short cycle and use an anti estrogen during pct you will bounce back fine assuming you are fairly young. Having said that what ai product are you talking about exactly, if it has resveratrol in it, then it is stoked and another name for it had support if I'm not mistaken, the other product had milk thistle, etc for organ support on cycle. Sustain alpha will cover you however as the resveratrol does wonders in pct, good luck.
 
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