Old Fugger Ready to take on all challengers...Transfomation time!!!

DreamWeaver said:
Exactly what I was talking about, it's a very good sign when you start looking small in your clothes.

Yah maybe I can get ahead of this time so I look tighter... still 4 weeks from the show, we'll see... The bottom like is to get as lean as I can possibly get. I have seen some pretty nice changes recently maybe there's more magic to come. I like it when unexpected changes happen.... miracles...
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any pictures or video?

MrKleen73 said:
That is awesome Doug, you are dead on correct. That and dropping 32 lbs in this amount of time you must look like you are wasting away. Maybe it is time for some new tigher shirts. ;) I know I just looked like a fit guy the last part of my prep in my clothes. One of the attorneys happened to be outside one day when I was coming back from my walk at lunch. I didn't have a shirt on because that is my time to get sun. He was all HOLY SH*T CHRIS!!!! I didn't know that was what was up under that shirt. That is frigging amazing. He is normally a really reserved guy so that reaction was pretty awesome coming from him.

Even now I am smaller in my clothes but starting to look pretty darn impressive out of them. I can see my ab lines even when standing relaxed not tightening them at all. If only the skin was,t loose they would be ripped up but it takes me a little while for the skin to catch up but that is okay. I wont have that problem this year. I will be sticking with the lean gains as this cut has been effortless nutrition wise. I do what I feel like with in my 8 hours. If I want to have something I just eat it. :) all I need to to to start gaining is bump my cals up a bit. I will put money on it I can gain some muscle while KEEPING my abs this year!
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Keeping lean year round is the way to go if you compete, at least for myself and many other bodybuilders I know. Notice I said competitive bodybuilder, not your typical party beach boy who stays ripped year round to get girls lean. Being ripped you wont add muscle from year to year if that is still the goal and I the body seems to work better when it is insulated a bit (like 12% instead of 7 %)
 
We shall see for sure. Of course I am not in it right now for bodybuilding right now so much as aesthetics, but it isn't for the chicks it is for me. I caught mine years ago and am perfectly happy in that department. :) I like what I see in the mirror when I am lean. I feel better being lighter, and I think I will be able to continue to add weight on over the next few years doing it. There are some dietary strategies out there that can make this possible, Lean Gains being one of them. However the gains are only seen over time. These guys are adding 5 and 10 lbs in a year staying lean enough to keep the abs showing doing Lean gains but they are gaining .5 - 1 lbs in a month, nothing ridiculous but it adds up over the course of the year and a a year or two to add on 10 clean and lean lbs is not long at all.
 
John Smeton said:
any pictures or video?




Keeping lean year round is the way to go if you compete, at least for myself and many other bodybuilders I know. Notice I said competitive bodybuilder, not your typical party beach boy who stays ripped year round to get girls lean. Being ripped you wont add muscle from year to year if that is still the goal and I the body seems to work better when it is insulated a bit (like 12% instead of 7 %)
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Pics will be taken on Friday,

yah I wish I could stay lean if the off season, maybe lean gains is the answer for me..It's been tough I won't lie, but the reason why I may be successful is that I'm tough and will do anything it takes for conditioning. If I fail I know it's cuz it couldn't be done, there is no way I could have done more than I have. Yah I am trying to pull off a miracle and it's coming right down to the wire and I have a shot at doing that.

My son took a look at me today and said I look better than on stage last year, God I hope that's true cuz then I have already achieved said miracle...
 
MrKleen73 said:
We shall see for sure. Of course I am not in it right now for bodybuilding right now so much as aesthetics, but it isn't for the chicks it is for me. I caught mine years ago and am perfectly happy in that department. :) I like what I see in the mirror when I am lean. I feel better being lighter, and I think I will be able to continue to add weight on over the next few years doing it. There are some dietary strategies out there that can make this possible, Lean Gains being one of them. However the gains are only seen over time. These guys are adding 5 and 10 lbs in a year staying lean enough to keep the abs showing doing Lean gains but they are gaining .5 - 1 lbs in a month, nothing ridiculous but it adds up over the course of the year and a a year or two to add on 10 clean and lean lbs is not long at all.
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Yah this is going to be my new methodology after contest. The reason I think it might work for me is that it allows more freedom that other strategies...
 
MrKleen73 said:
We shall see for sure. Of course I am not in it right now for bodybuilding right now so much as aesthetics, but it isn't for the chicks it is for me. I caught mine years ago and am perfectly happy in that department. :) I like what I see in the mirror when I am lean. I feel better being lighter, and I think I will be able to continue to add weight on over the next few years doing it. There are some dietary strategies out there that can make this possible, Lean Gains being one of them. However the gains are only seen over time. These guys are adding 5 and 10 lbs in a year staying lean enough to keep the abs showing doing Lean gains but they are gaining .5 - 1 lbs in a month, nothing ridiculous but it adds up over the course of the year and a a year or two to add on 10 clean and lean lbs is not long at all.
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I agree with Kleen 100% on this. Slow and steady gains over the year while staying lean doesnt sound all that bad to me. Throw a couple decent cycles a year in there and the amount you can gain will be even greater while keeping abs. :bigok:
 
RickRock13 said:
I agree with Kleen 100% on this. Slow and steady gains over the year while staying lean doesnt sound all that bad to me. Throw a couple decent cycles a year in there and the amount you can gain will be even greater while keeping abs. :bigok:
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Yah that's the dream...

Well yesterdays wotkout was pretty good, got some extra reps on Decline db press and standing arnolds... actually across the board. I did reduce my leg press to get more reps in and it was a smart move.

Did one hour of cardio when I got home as I will miss my session on Friday...

Speaking of smart moves, Tuesday will be my last workout, I have to do my spray tan on Thursday and have to soak in some Epson salts beforehand and I need a mini-break... so I plan on reducing the compound movements and take elements out of day 2 and 3 to achieve this.

I am feeling better this week so far, lungs have cleared for the most part, just my seasonal alergies to deal with...

It's still really cold here for this time of year with morning temps around freezing and tons of wind... kind of frustrating but I've been through worse recently, at least there's no snow here.

Did some posing practice yesterday and changed the intro to my routine which has me thinking of changing my music as well. I have to start to go through the motions as if I was going on stage, not a lot of time left.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah that's the dream...

Well yesterdays wotkout was pretty good, got some extra reps on Decline db press and standing arnolds... actually across the board. I did reduce my leg press to get more reps in and it was a smart move.

Did one hour of cardio when I got home as I will miss my session on Friday...

Speaking of smart moves, Tuesday will be my last workout, I have to do my spray tan on Thursday and have to soak in some Epson salts beforehand and I need a mini-break... so I plan on reducing the compound movements and take elements out of day 2 and 3 to achieve this.

I am feeling better this week so far, lungs have cleared for the most part, just my seasonal alergies to deal with...

It's still really cold here for this time of year with morning temps around freezing and tons of wind... kind of frustrating but I've been through worse recently, at least there's no snow here.

Did some posing practice yesterday and changed the intro to my routine which has me thinking of changing my music as well. I have to start to go through the motions as if I was going on stage, not a lot of time left.
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great stuff here def excited to see the end results!!
 
mich29 said:
great stuff here def excited to see the end results!!
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As am I, I think I've done it and got as lean as my contest last year with 15-20 lbs more size but pics will tell for sure. You get this nagging sensation that your perception is off though. I could have taken progress pics but they wouldn't have served an purpose. My speed had to be full speed right up till the end, so the pics on Friday will be my progress pics where I will be making some big decisions.
 
Can't wait I know you are excited and heck will even get a new avi out of it.
 
I am wayyyy Late but in it for the FINAL FINALE!!!!
 
DreamWeaver said:
lol yah this is the best part... there will be 3 weeks more prepping after this likely, the pics will end up being my 3 week out pics...
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Hey I am always in for a good success story, positive motivation for all my friend! Especially from someone that really reads about what he/she is taking and does the research (homework) on products to truly understand them! I am continuously impressed on this forum at the knowledge people have on the different ingredients in the popular bodybuilding/weightlifting products out there! Can't wait to see the picts, but hey... Ya can't rush PERFECTION!

"Every man is an artist... yours is your body.... and your about to paint your Masterpiece!" That is my bastardization of Christopher Walken in "Man on Fire" my favorite movie of all times!

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ScottyDoc said:
Hey I am always in for a good success story, positive motivation for all my friend! Especially from someone that really reads about what he/she is taking and does the research (homework) on products to truly understand them! I am continuously impressed on this forum at the knowledge people have on the different ingredients in the popular bodybuilding/weightlifting products out there! Can't wait to see the picts, but hey... Ya can't rush PERFECTION!

"Every man is an artist... yours is your body.... and your about to paint your Masterpiece!" That is my bastardization of Christopher Walken in "Man on Fire" my favorite movie of all times!

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I just watched that for the second time about a week ago.. great flick!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Hey I am always in for a good success story, positive motivation for all my friend! Especially from someone that really reads about what he/she is taking and does the research (homework) on products to truly understand them! I am continuously impressed on this forum at the knowledge people have on the different ingredients in the popular bodybuilding/weightlifting products out there! Can't wait to see the picts, but hey... Ya can't rush PERFECTION!

"Every man is an artist... yours is your body.... and your about to paint your Masterpiece!" That is my bastardization of Christopher Walken in "Man on Fire" my favorite movie of all times!

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Nice, that is one of my favorites too. I have seen it 10-15 times easily. One of those bored let me throw a movie on movies, just good stuff.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice, that is one of my favorites too. I have seen it 10-15 times easily. One of those bored let me throw a movie on movies, just good stuff.
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15 times, you must have memorized it by now...

Posing practice went well last night, I was able to fit my new routine in with my music, I am going back to using Metalica "Wherever you may roam" as it fits the changes in the routine.

Morning cardio was pretty good, not as good as yesterday...

I saw more improvements in the mirror this morning...

Last workout before pics tonight, I will not push as hard as normal I figure 85% should get it done, but when I get in the gym that's hard. Some movements will difinitely be 100%.
 
Can't wait to see the pics.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Can't wait to see the pics.
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Me too, I looked in the mirror relaxed pose, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 wow they were all there still some loose skin and fat near my lowers but my abs tend to be very high. Continued Thiomucase application, carb up, Epson salt bath and tan should take care of a lot of issues. Then once the pics are done it's 10 days Clenviscerate and 10 days more Thiomucase and 20 days more hard dieting and physical punishment... I can almost guarantee rippedness!! Now that's exciting .. a ripped 205 and at least 208 carbed up and flushed!!! Fug yah this shytes goin down!!!

Yah I'm feeling better now... time to slay fuggin dragons!!!!!!!!:firedevil: :firedevil:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Me too, I looked in the mirror relaxed pose, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 wow they were all there still some loose skin and fat near my lowers but my abs tend to be very high. Continued Thiomucase application, carb up, Epson salt bath and tan should take care of a lot of issues. Then once the pics are done it's 10 days Clenviscerate and 10 days more Thiomucase and 20 days more hard dieting and physical punishment... I can almost guarantee rippedness!! Now that's exciting .. a ripped 205 and at least 208 carbed up and flushed!!! Fug yah this shytes goin down!!!

Yah I'm feeling better now... time to slay fuggin dragons!!!!!!!!:firedevil: :firedevil:
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I can't remember the brand name, either Lubraderm or Aveeno, but there was a really good one that's #1 goal was to increase elasticity in the skin, I think it was designed for women to take after pregnancy to help shrink/shrivel their skin back to normal with minimal to no stretch marks. Anyway, I used it when I cut a lot of weight a few years ago and it really worked well! Just something to think about/look into!
 
Oh, BTW, I used it on my entire body every time I got out of the shower and before I went into the tanning bed... it is a proven fact that lubricated skin tans better than dry skin, just an added bonus to what it supposed to do for your skin's elasticity!
 
Preparation H on the skin? I thought that was supposed to tighten it, wrap it in plastic wrap overnight with a slimming belt over it. Anyone actually try this?
 
Milas said:
Preparation H on the skin? I thought that was supposed to tighten it, wrap it in plastic wrap overnight with a slimming belt over it. Anyone actually try this?
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Yes, I have tried it and it absolutely works, but it is only temporary just like the epson salt baths, temporary. I mean they are both definite musts for a few days pre-contest, but no long lasting elasticity effects.

The lotion I was recommending, on the other hand, has collagen in it, which is supposed to rejuvenate the natural elasticity of the skin, it is really the same principal as the face mask and face lotions women have been using for years on their faces and under their eyes to reduce wrinkles or as they put it in the commercials "Fight the signs of aging"!
 
ScottyDoc said:
I can't remember the brand name, either Lubraderm or Aveeno, but there was a really good one that's #1 goal was to increase elasticity in the skin, I think it was designed for women to take after pregnancy to help shrink/shrivel their skin back to normal with minimal to no stretch marks. Anyway, I used it when I cut a lot of weight a few years ago and it really worked well! Just something to think about/look into!
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I'll see what I can dig up...

ScottyDoc said:
Oh, BTW, I used it on my entire body every time I got out of the shower and before I went into the tanning bed... it is a proven fact that lubricated skin tans better than dry skin, just an added bonus to what it supposed to do for your skin's elasticity!
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Yah I have a girl come over and spay me there are a lot better colors these days with sprays and you don't have to pretan...

Milas said:
Preparation H on the skin? I thought that was supposed to tighten it, wrap it in plastic wrap overnight with a slimming belt over it. Anyone actually try this?
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What is a slimming belt.?

ScottyDoc said:
Yes, I have tried it and it absolutely works, but it is only temporary just like the epson salt baths, temporary. I mean they are both definite musts for a few days pre-contest, but no long lasting elasticity effects.

The lotion I was recommending, on the other hand, has collagen in it, which is supposed to rejuvenate the natural elasticity of the skin, it is really the same principal as the face mask and face lotions women have been using for years on their faces and under their eyes to reduce wrinkles or as they put it in the commercials "Fight the signs of aging"!
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Yah it's all about the collagen, let me know if you remember the name...
 
DreamWeaver said:
What is a slimming belt.?
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I believe what he means by a slimming belt is those velcro attached neoprene belts that you would wear under your shirt when working out and supposedly back in the day they were supposed to decrease belly fat by smashing it up agains your muscles (totally disproven).

DreamWeaver said:
Yah it's all about the collagen, let me know if you remember the name...
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Found it....St. Ives Collagen Elastin, when I found it was on sale half price and I picked up 4 bigger pump bottles and not small/tiny tubes for like $6.99 each.
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ScottyDoc said:
I believe what he means by a slimming belt is those velcro attached neoprene belts that you would wear under your shirt when working out and supposedly back in the day they were supposed to decrease belly fat by smashing it up agains your muscles (totally disproven).



Found it....St. Ives Collagen Elastin, when I found it was on sale half price and I picked up 4 bigger pump bottles and not small/tiny tubes for like $6.99 each.
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Hah my wife has St. Ives but the Vitamin E formulation I believe...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Hah my wife has St. Ives but the Vitamin E formulation I believe...
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Get the "St. Ives Collagen Elastin" I'm not claiming it is the end all do all, but it did help me with my loose skin (noticeably).
 
We sell the belts at NTBM store.

Needtobuildmuscle's Neoprene slimming Belts are perfect for Pre contest and or getting off the final few inches of stubborn weight around the abdominal, love handles, and back. If you need to drop of water weight/bloat quickly our Neoprene belts will do the trick. When used in combination with our Thiomucase cream the Neoprene belt can be a very effective stubborn fat burning tool. Our Neoprene belts are for Multiple use and last for years.

Best method of use.
Place a good dose of our Thiomucase Cream over the Belly, love handles and or back. Then wrap plastic wrap around the same areas. Place the Neoprene belt over the plastic wrap and leave on for at least 1 hour. Do this every night for as long as you like. This method works great when used for a week prior to your next show or big event.

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BarbellBeast said:
We sell the belts at NTBM store.

Needtobuildmuscle's Neoprene slimming Belts are perfect for Pre contest and or getting off the final few inches of stubborn weight around the abdominal, love handles, and back. If you need to drop of water weight/bloat quickly our Neoprene belts will do the trick. When used in combination with our Thiomucase cream the Neoprene belt can be a very effective stubborn fat burning tool. Our Neoprene belts are for Multiple use and last for years.

Best method of use.
Place a good dose of our Thiomucase Cream over the Belly, love handles and or back. Then wrap plastic wrap around the same areas. Place the Neoprene belt over the plastic wrap and leave on for at least 1 hour. Do this every night for as long as you like. This method works great when used for a week prior to your next show or big event.

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Might be a good idea... will definitely consider this if I decide to compete...
 
BarbellBeast said:
We sell the belts at NTBM store.

Needtobuildmuscle's Neoprene slimming Belts are perfect for Pre contest and or getting off the final few inches of stubborn weight around the abdominal, love handles, and back. If you need to drop of water weight/bloat quickly our Neoprene belts will do the trick. When used in combination with our Thiomucase cream the Neoprene belt can be a very effective stubborn fat burning tool. Our Neoprene belts are for Multiple use and last for years.

Best method of use.
Place a good dose of our Thiomucase Cream over the Belly, love handles and or back. Then wrap plastic wrap around the same areas. Place the Neoprene belt over the plastic wrap and leave on for at least 1 hour. Do this every night for as long as you like. This method works great when used for a week prior to your next show or big event.

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I agree, that works for pre-contest, but is not a long-term fix, but absolutely perfect for tightening up a stubborn area right before a show!
 
ScottyDoc said:
I agree, that works for pre-contest, but is not a long-term fix, but absolutely perfect for tightening up a stubborn area right before a show!
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I just noticed your affiliation, I just got rid of some Finaflex Ripped this morning. Was pretty excited to use it but decided not to do any more DS. I bet my buddy is gonna love it though...
 
Ok no problem finding the St. Ives product I picked up a bottle for my wife and one for me...man it really softens the skin fast.
 
Oh snap i didn't realize this was Mr. Dreamweaver. As i now read the entire posting. You have made some serious change your self sir. Heck you might have me beat in overall weight loss. Grrr. Good luck brother.
 
Onlychevy6 said:
Oh snap i didn't realize this was Mr. Dreamweaver. As i now read the entire posting. You have made some serious change your self sir. Heck you might have me beat in overall weight loss. Grrr. Good luck brother.
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32.5 lbs is the final verdict, remember this is not my first time around the block... :firedevil:
 
Oh snap i didn't realize this was Mr. Dreamweaver. As i now read the entire posting. You have made some serious change your self sir. Heck you might have me beat in overall weight loss. Grrr. Good luck brother.
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32.5 lbs is the final verdict, remember this is not my first time around the block... :firedevil:
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:toofunny: grey hair isn't so grey, eh?
 
Ok conservative workout last night but I showed good strength on some exercises and backed off on some and just worked strict form. The highlight was flat bench db press for 90 X 10, 80 X 8 and 70 X 8 for my drops. This is damn good for me considering I am down to 214.5 from last nights weigh in... I was low on energy near the end though.

Later that night I went pretty hypo and grabbed a whole grapefruit cut it up and devoured it and I had a few extra egg whites and a small peice of steak. I was ravenous!! Not really cheating, more self preservation.

Woke up this morning looking very deflated, I hate this look cuz some of your muscle looks like fat...hard on the psyche, oh well carb up tomorrow....

Posing practice felt pretty flat last night too... just a bad finsih to my day.

Morning cardio session was a bit better than yesterday but I am feeling pretty weak so I will have to watch it. If I go hypo there is a whole fridge full of juice about 15 steps away from my desk...

Oh and I had to walk 5K into a strong wind full of ice pellets this morning, needless to say I was not amused... fuggers hurt when they hit you in the face. Fortunately my hood blocked most of them ... ain't spring grand here in the north!! Worst sping in 30-40 years...

Like I said carb up tomorrow only the one am fasted cardio session tomorrow morning then I take my Epson salts bath when I get home from work and get my base tanning coat... Pics Friday at 2pm after the bronzer is applied...
 
morry said:
:toofunny: grey hair isn't so grey, eh?
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I started getting grey hair when I was 17 and by the time I was 30 was pretty much salt and pepper.. now I am pretty much white and grey.. I color my hair at contest time though...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok conservative workout last night but I showed good strength on some exercises and backed off on some and just worked strict form. The highlight was flat bench db press for 90 X 10, 80 X 8 and 70 X 8 for my drops. This is damn good for me considering I am down to 214.5 from last nights weigh in... I was low on energy near the end though.

Later that night I went pretty hypo and grabbed a whole grapefruit cut it up and devoured it and I had a few extra egg whites and a small peice of steak. I was ravenous!! Not really cheating, more self preservation.

Woke up this morning looking very deflated, I hate this look cuz some of your muscle looks like fat...hard on the psyche, oh well carb up tomorrow....

Posing practice felt pretty flat last night too... just a bad finsih to my day.

Morning cardio session was a bit better than yesterday but I am feeling pretty weak so I will have to watch it. If I go hypo there is a whole fridge full of juice about 15 steps away from my desk...

Oh and I had to walk 5K into a strong wind full of ice pellets this morning, needless to say I was not amused... fuggers hurt when they hit you in the face. Fortunately my hood blocked most of them ... ain't spring grand here in the north!! Worst sping in 30-40 years...

Like I said carb up tomorrow only the one am fasted cardio session tomorrow morning then I take my Epson salts bath when I get home from work and get my base tanning coat... Pics Friday at 2pm after the bronzer is applied...
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In for the after pix man, I am sure youa re gunna look siiiiiiiiiiiiick..SJ
 
DreamWeaver said:
Well just remember I am not peaking for another 3 weeks so you're going to see massive improvment but it will get better....:yup:
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I am looking forward to the results Doug, you seem to have peaked at just the right time.
 
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