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Old Fugger Ready to take on all challengers...Transfomation time!!!

John Smeton said:
Good job getting the pictures for feedback and I commented on my favorite pose, use this one for sure! I say go ahead and go with it. whats the worst that can happen?

if anything it is a learning experience. I recommend next time around keeping leaner like close to where you are right now so you can diet more slowly. That is what I did this year and not far off from where I was in November. Yeah its less weight and less fat. Just too much stress to off 30lbs of fat. however I feel much better leaner now. I know how it is too drop a lot , it makes it more stressful and it just is not enough time. That said, Doug I think you can do amazing things in three weeks.

I am not saying stay ripped year round, Lean is the word.
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Yah I could get down to around where I was last year and I would be bigger, but something Chirs said... I still won't be satisfied... I need to maintain around 220 and then do 15 weeks to lose 20 lbs or so...that's the plan so I will start recomp on lean gains 2400 and 2800 cals...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah I could get down to around where I was last year and I would be bigger, but something Chirs said... I still won't be satisfied... I need to maintain around 220 and then do 15 weeks to lose 20 lbs or so...that's the plan so I will start recomp on lean gains 2400 and 2800 cals...
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That sounds like a great idea, and I think you will like that diet.

I think the pics look great BTW. maybe not show ready, but very impressive nonetheless in comparison to your befores, which is what this contest is about :thumbsup:
 
RickRock13 said:
That sounds like a great idea, and I think you will like that diet.

I think the pics look great BTW. maybe not show ready, but very impressive nonetheless in comparison to your befores, which is what this contest is about :thumbsup:
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Thanks, I was holding a bit of water which I should have been able to get rid of but they're not as bad as I had feared. I am disapointed but I know I couldn't have done any better so I'll take solace in that. It's tough refocusing as I am used to pedal to the metal but looking forward to this dieting style..
 
I'm going with lean gains too Doug. After this weekend I put back on ~12lbs with excessive gorgeing! I need to get back into the swing of things, and I think Lean Gains will help with that!

You did great, and I think your course of action will be just right. You want to DOMINATE the Masters, not just do well!!!

Well done, and keep it up old man! :D
 
Milas said:
I'm going with lean gains too Doug. After this weekend I put back on ~12lbs with excessive gorgeing! I need to get back into the swing of things, and I think Lean Gains will help with that!

You did great, and I think your course of action will be just right. You want to DOMINATE the Masters, not just do well!!!

Well done, and keep it up old man! :D
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Thanks Milas ..yah I know about the gurging...

I have a plan!! Going to do FAME East again in September, so I will recomp till June 12th right when I get back from holiday I will start my prep which gives me 15 weeks and 27 lbs less than when I started this 15 week prep...can you say.. ripped..
 
Aw hellz yeah! You are going to own that show!
 
I'm looking through my pictures from the competition now, and I gotta say I'm getting a little more interested in doing a BB show... Damnit Doug, why do you have to keep this in my mind!!!

Seriously though, sounds awesome!
 
Milas said:
Aw hellz yeah! You are going to own that show!
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I am optimistic, one thing I really am happy about is my size.. go to my facebook page and look at my front double bi, that's as good as I've seen that pose on me, if I get lean then I should be able to impress...

Milas said:
I'm looking through my pictures from the competition now, and I gotta say I'm getting a little more interested in doing a BB show... Damnit Doug, why do you have to keep this in my mind!!!

Seriously though, sounds awesome!
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The first show only leads to bigger stuff...
 
Whoa... stop the presses! Did I miss the pictures? I have went through the last few pages of this thread and even looked on your FB Doug, if they are up can you post a link to them, I am super stoked to see them! Also, everyone is 100% right... stay confident my friend, no matter whether you peaked or not, you have come an incredibly long way and you are there, you are so there!!! I have complete 100% confidence that an "Old Fugger" like you is on these boards to teach us "New-B's" a thing or two!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Whoa... stop the presses! Did I miss the pictures? I have went through the last few pages of this thread and even looked on your FB Doug, if they are up can you post a link to them, I am super stoked to see them! Also, everyone is 100% right... stay confident my friend, no matter whether you peaked or not, you have come an incredibly long way and you are there, you are so there!!! I have complete 100% confidence that an "Old Fugger" like you is on these boards to teach us "New-B's" a thing or two!
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Pics are on Page 1 or click my facebook link a few posts back to see more pics...
 
Your pictures looked great, Doug. Very nice. You held on to a lot more mass this time around. Much bigger and just as cut as last year.

I agree with John Smeton about not bulking up anymore. Maybe a lean-bulk a couple times during a year.....but I mean LEAN. I'm going to do my dead-level best to stay under 10% from now on. And it's not really that hard. I like clean eating. Just got to make sure I don't take in a high surplus of calories even if they are clean.

This makes it much easier to diet on down when you get ready.
 
thundergod said:
Your pictures looked great, Doug. Very nice. You held on to a lot more mass this time around. Much bigger and just as cut as last year.

I agree with John Smeton about not bulking up anymore. Maybe a lean-bulk a couple times during a year.....but I mean LEAN. I'm going to do my dead-level best to stay under 10% from now on. And it's not really that hard. I like clean eating. Just got to make sure I don't take in a high surplus of calories even if they are clean.

This makes it much easier to diet on down when you get ready.
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Yah Lean Gains protocol makes it even easier, allows a bit more freedom with foods.. I can even Eat a couple lean burgers...Got BBQ going last night and the burgers were stellar...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Pics are on Page 1 or click my facebook link a few posts back to see more pics...
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What am I missing, I'm confused, I thought those were your old pictures and we were all waiting to see updates? I apologize for the confusion ahead of time!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah Lean Gains protocol makes it even easier, allows a bit more freedom with foods.. I can even Eat a couple lean burgers...Got BBQ going last night and the burgers were stellar...
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You know I don't think we have to be obsessed or fanatical about our diets. We can eat a few things here and there as long as we make sure to burn more calories than we're taking in.
There is some truth in the addage "calorie in....calorie out". I eat a little dark chocolate here and there and even a few chocolate chip cookies from time to time. But the next day I'll add a few minutes of cardio to burn those calories off. :yup:
 
OK, I didn't see those on FB, but I see where you added your after pictures in, dude, what are you talking about, those are amazing! You look fantastic, I mean I know you are a few weeks away from a show, but that is plenty enough time to dry out a little more and peak, you are spot on in my opinion!

In short... AMAZING!!!
 
thundergod said:
You know I don't think we have to be obsessed or fanatical about our diets. We can eat a few things here and there as long as we make sure to burn more calories than we're taking in.
There is some truth in the addage "calorie in....calorie out". I eat a little dark chocolate here and there and even a few chocolate chip cookies from time to time. But the next day I'll add a few minutes of cardio to burn those calories off. :yup:
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Yah it's really about the numbers, for intance I get 2800 cals on wd's for recomp on Lean Gains... if my macro ratiios are good then what I eat is all good as long as most of what I eat is good food.. That will tighten up during a harder cut but I can see taking this late into a prep by simply adjusting calories...

ScottyDoc said:
OK, I didn't see those on FB, but I see where you added your after pictures in, dude, what are you talking about, those are amazing! You look fantastic, I mean I know you are a few weeks away from a show, but that is plenty enough time to dry out a little more and peak, you are spot on in my opinion!

In short... AMAZING!!!
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Thanks I will go to contest in September and maintain current body fat till 15 weeks out then kill it.. I'll show you fuggers ripped.. mark my words.... I ain't beat yet...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Thanks I will go to contest in September and maintain current body fat till 15 weeks out then kill it.. I'll show you fuggers ripped.. mark my words.... I ain't beat yet...
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That's the spirit Brotha... You da MAN!!!
 
"Old Fugger" Yo... check your PM's I need clarity on your address!
 
ScottyDoc said:
That's the spirit Brotha... You da MAN!!!
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Thanks

ScottyDoc said:
"Old Fugger" Yo... check your PM's I need clarity on your address!
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Done

Diet Lean Gains...

12pm 2 cups Macaroni salad
12 oz Chicken
4pm 1 cup rice
12 oz pork Tenderloin
2 cups brocoli
7pm 1 can albacore tuna
2 pieces sesame Ezekiel Bread
About 2400 cals

Today...

12pm 1 cups Rice
12 oz Chicken
230pm 2 pieces sesame Ezekiel Bread
1 can albacore tuna
7pm 2 5 oz lean beef patties bbq'd
2 thin whole wheat flat bread buns
1.5 cups rice
About 2800 cals

Macros are around 50% protein 25 fat 25 carbs, I have been able to figure a way to get a pizza night in as well but the fat is up around 30% but the cals are still right on the money...

PCT is going so well that I am cutting out Tor now, I haven't felt this good in quite some time. Testopro is just magic on me and I have added a lot of other herbs for additional support as seen earlier in this log. I am sleeping more than I have in a long time as well. Just way less stress. I don't think I'm going to have much problem maintaining and might be able to lean up a bit, but staying the same is fine by me. 15 weeks to lose maybe another 20 lbs at most. Not a problem... I'll have that off in 12...
 
DreamWeaver said:
Thanks



Done

Diet Lean Gains...

12pm 2 cups Macaroni salad
12 oz Chicken
4pm 1 cup rice
12 oz pork Tenderloin
2 cups brocoli
7pm 1 can albacore tuna
2 pieces sesame Ezekiel Bread
About 2400 cals

Today...

12pm 1 cups Rice
12 oz Chicken
230pm 2 pieces sesame Ezekiel Bread
1 can albacore tuna
7pm 2 5 oz lean beef patties bbq'd
2 thin whole wheat flat bread buns
1.5 cups rice
About 2800 cals

Macros are around 50% protein 25 fat 25 carbs, I have been able to figure a way to get a pizza night in as well but the fat is up around 30% but the cals are still right on the money...

PCT is going so well that I am cutting out Tor now, I haven't felt this good in quite some time. Testopro is just magic on me and I have added a lot of other herbs for additional support as seen earlier in this log. I am sleeping more than I have in a long time as well. Just way less stress. I don't think I'm going to have much problem maintaining and might be able to lean up a bit, but staying the same is fine by me. 15 weeks to lose maybe another 20 lbs at most. Not a problem... I'll have that off in 12...
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Diet looks good Doug, similar to how I would eat as I do evening workouts like it seems you are doing based on your meal timing. Still not sure why are you cutting out your SERM after such a short time but to each their own I guess. To give you an idea, my free test was up a lot after two weeks because of the DAA and Fadogia but my total was still under 300, I felt fine but it was not time to stop my SERM. Think about the long term as opposed to how you feel, or at least get a hormone panel to make sure you are A OK. :yup:
 
oufinny said:
Diet looks good Doug, similar to how I would eat as I do evening workouts like it seems you are doing based on your meal timing. Still not sure why are you cutting out your SERM after such a short time but to each their own I guess. To give you an idea, my free test was up a lot after two weeks because of the DAA and Fadogia but my total was still under 300, I felt fine but it was not time to stop my SERM. Think about the long term as opposed to how you feel, or at least get a hormone panel to make sure you are A OK. :yup:
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I just never felt shut down and the testes are huge and firm so it just didn't seem necessary. The stuff I was taking was extremely mild on me...
 
oufinny said:
To give you an idea, my free test was up a lot after two weeks because of the DAA and Fadogia but my total was still under 300, I felt fine. :yup:
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Dang, that test reading is very low.

I think maybe the "darkside" wouldn't be such bad idea for you after all.

I'd be willing to bet that my overall test level is around 1,500 or higher right now.

And that's during my cruise.......... :firedevil:
 
Damn, 1500? I would give my left nut for that! ;)

How soon can I get on TRT, and would it be bad to do so at 31?
 
Milas said:
Damn, 1500? I would give my left nut for that! ;)

How soon can I get on TRT, and would it be bad to do so at 31?
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I didn't go on TRT until I was 45. But to each their own. I think the longer you wait....the better.

Why don't you just cycle the regular way and PCT?
 
DreamWeaver said:
I just never felt shut down and the testes are huge and firm so it just didn't seem necessary. The stuff I was taking was extremely mild on me...
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:pat: :lol: Childish? I know, I just couldn't help myself!!!
 
thundergod said:
Dang, that test reading is very low.

I think maybe the "darkside" wouldn't be such bad idea for you after all.

I'd be willing to bet that my overall test level is around 1,500 or higher right now.

And that's during my cruise.......... :firedevil:
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Wow...

Milas said:
Damn, 1500? I would give my left nut for that! ;)

How soon can I get on TRT, and would it be bad to do so at 31?
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That's the thing mine are still to valuable to give up...

thundergod said:
I didn't go on TRT until I was 45. But to each their own. I think the longer you wait....the better.

Why don't you just cycle the regular way and PCT?
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Yah my point exactly I don't want to start without a need to...

ScottyDoc said:
:pat: :lol: Childish? I know, I just couldn't help myself!!!
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Just know good way to get the point across when you're on that subject...
 
thundergod said:
Dang, that test reading is very low.

I think maybe the "darkside" wouldn't be such bad idea for you after all.

I'd be willing to bet that my overall test level is around 1,500 or higher right now.

And that's during my cruise.......... :firedevil:
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Wouldn't have been an issue if I was running test and HCG, both of which I did not. Also, I did not have the proper dose of my SERM off the bat, all contributed to it being so low. I am fine now after nolva and clomid, fear not, it was poor planning/execution not the darkside taking a toll on me.
 
oufinny said:
Wouldn't have been an issue if I was running test and HCG, both of which I did not. Also, I did not have the proper dose of my SERM off the bat, all contributed to it being so low. I am fine now after nolva and clomid, fear not, it was poor planning/execution not the darkside taking a toll on me.
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No Worries Ladies and Gentlemen... OUFINNY is.... "Back in the Saddle Again!"

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DreamWeaver said:
One of my alltime favorites...
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Aerosmith as a whole is just a classic band that has been around forever and still rocking it!!! AC/DC is another classic band, I'm just mad that I never got to see them Live and now I never will! :sad2:
 
ScottyDoc said:
Aerosmith as a whole is just a classic band that has been around forever and still rocking it!!! AC/DC is another classic band, I'm just mad that I never got to see them Live and now I never will! :sad2:
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Steven Tyler lives the next town over from me. I bump into him from time to time. His ex works out a the gym that I workout at.
 
A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
Steven Tyler lives the next town over from me. I bump into him from time to time. His ex works out a the gym that I workout at.
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That is awesome, have you ever spoken to him, is he cool, or full of himself? I mean he seems cool on "American Idol" but of course he would, I mean that is in the public eye!
 
ScottyDoc said:
Aerosmith as a whole is just a classic band that has been around forever and still rocking it!!! AC/DC is another classic band, I'm just mad that I never got to see them Live and now I never will! :sad2:
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A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
Steven Tyler lives the next town over from me. I bump into him from time to time. His ex works out a the gym that I workout at.
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ScottyDoc said:
That is awesome, have you ever spoken to him, is he cool, or full of himself? I mean he seems cool on "American Idol" but of course he would, I mean that is in the public eye!
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Yah huge fan here, he does seem like a cool guy on Idol, I grew up with theire music... right from the first album I was a big fan...
 
Ok I went lighter but pretty intense last night Giant sets for shoulders and arms, incidently Creatiine Nitrate with some carbs = big pump...

Weighed in at 216 which is 1.5 lbs the extra water in my muscles from increase in carbs would have done that... probably more. Diet is 100% under control, just have to figure a way to keep on track when on holidays...

Next week I have to revert to compound lifting, I am going to keep it pretty light at first though.
 
Milas said:
I'm looking through my pictures from the competition now, and I gotta say I'm getting a little more interested in doing a BB show... Damnit Doug, why do you have to keep this in my mind!!!

Seriously though, sounds awesome!
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DreamWeaver said:
Ok I went lighter but pretty intense last night Giant sets for shoulders and arms, incidently Creatiine Nitrate with some carbs = big pump...

Weighed in at 216 which is 1.5 lbs the extra water in my muscles from increase in carbs would have done that... probably more. Diet is 100% under control, just have to figure a way to keep on track when on holidays...

Next week I have to revert to compound lifting, I am going to keep it pretty light at first though.
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Remember to take as small of steps to get back to your normal weights as possible. More points of adaptation means more growth. Sure you could be extremely aggressive and get back to your old weights quickly. Then you may miss some opportunity for extra growth as well as put your joints under fire. Since they wont be used to the heavy weight and their ability to strengthen or thicken back up is slower than your muscle you want to be careful and build up the weight slower than what you can. Will be a great time to practice the slower reps and slightly shorter ranges of motion on certain exercises.
 
ScottyDoc said:
"Old Fugger" Yo... check your PM's I need clarity on your address!
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I will take 2 of whatever you are sending him!!! :yup: :yup: :yup:
 
MrKleen73 said:
Remember to take as small of steps to get back to your normal weights as possible. More points of adaptation means more growth. Sure you could be extremely aggressive and get back to your old weights quickly. Then you may miss some opportunity for extra growth as well as put your joints under fire. Since they wont be used to the heavy weight and their ability to strengthen or thicken back up is slower than your muscle you want to be careful and build up the weight slower than what you can. Will be a great time to practice the slower reps and slightly shorter ranges of motion on certain exercises.
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I was just thinking of this today, I am going to do just that... start low up slow...
 
ScottyDoc said:
Can't rush PERFECTION Brotha!!! Very Good Advice!
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Yah there's no hurry... I will plan to peak in week 4 but then still only to form failure, my sets will be low rep and some higher 5/5/5/8/12 but will start at 75% or so...
 
Nice, I was gonna say 75% of old working weights then add 5% a workout, then see about some micro weights for progressing even farther and longer without hitting a wall on the progress.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice, I was gonna say 75% of old working weights then add 5% a workout, then see about some micro weights for progressing even farther and longer without hitting a wall on the progress.
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I have 5 weeks 5% would be perfect we'll see what I can do...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Nice, I was gonna say 75% of old working weights then add 5% a workout, then see about some micro weights for progressing even farther and longer without hitting a wall on the progress.
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DreamWeaver said:
I have 5 weeks 5% would be perfect we'll see what I can do...
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Very wise indeed. If you don't already, I'd suggest keeping a training log/journal at the gym with you with your weights already printed out that you will use that session. Add 5% for the next week's workout for that same bodypart. I find that if it's written down, I'm more likely to adhere to it and not throw caution to the wind and load on more 45's!! :laugh2:
 
thundergod said:
Very wise indeed. If you don't already, I'd suggest keeping a training log/journal at the gym with you with your weights already printed out that you will use that session. Add 5% for the next week's workout for that same bodypart. I find that if it's written down, I'm more likely to adhere to it and not throw caution to the wind and load on more 45's!! :laugh2:
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More great advice, I always keep a journal/log when I am doing a serious cut or bulking phase. If nothing else it is a more accurate way of keeping track of my progress.. Great idea!
 
thundergod said:
Very wise indeed. If you don't already, I'd suggest keeping a training log/journal at the gym with you with your weights already printed out that you will use that session. Add 5% for the next week's workout for that same bodypart. I find that if it's written down, I'm more likely to adhere to it and not throw caution to the wind and load on more 45's!! :laugh2:
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ScottyDoc said:
More great advice, I always keep a journal/log when I am doing a serious cut or bulking phase. If nothing else it is a more accurate way of keeping track of my progress.. Great idea!
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I have a spreadsheet already done....
 
ScottyDoc said:
That is awesome, have you ever spoken to him, is he cool, or full of himself? I mean he seems cool on "American Idol" but of course he would, I mean that is in the public eye!
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I have spoken with him and he is a very cool guy. He is not caught up in himself. I have also bumped into a couple of times riding a bike instead of some flashy sports car. I do think he has more than 1 ex LOL.
 
A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
I have spoken with him and he is a very cool guy. He is not caught up in himself. I have also bumped into a couple of times riding a bike instead of some flashy sports car. I do think he has more than 1 ex LOL.
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That is sort of my impression from watching him...
 
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