schwellington
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dude this is so true- while it feels good to add fukin 45 lbs to my bench i have to be careful and LISTEN- but pr's or not dude you are growing for sure
Morry's Test P/Test E cycle + PCT, thinkin I'll hit 375 bench????
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dude this is so true- while it feels good to add fukin 45 lbs to my bench i have to be careful and LISTEN- but pr's or not dude you are growing for sure
morry
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I better be growing, but honestly I've said this before, it was guys like you that gave me that last push and I'm glad you did. There's a ton of hard work tied up in all of this. Years of prep to be able to withstand what I'm tossing at my body and specifically my CNS.
Anyhow,
Day 16
Weight 209 (+3)
Legs / Arms
The dark side does just keep getting better and better. The burn during a workout has gotten to feel very good and keeps me moving. There's no doubt about it, I'm pushing through stuff I never have, not that I'm breaking PR's (as stated earlier, that's not as important, although I believe it inevitable), but I have a focus on pushing through one more rep. Numbers count down quickly. I did feel my knee tendon pull a bit after squats, but I went heavy on squats with slow movements. I didn't do deep squats with weight, but stretching I did weightless deep squats. I also did one set of weighted lunges and quickly found out that was a bad idea for the knee, so I did the other 2 sets weightless with a log stride and slow movement. On leg extensions, as I expected, I wasn't able to go as heavy as I wanted and my range of motion was from 90 degrees to about 60 degrees, but I got a great burning in my quads, once again, slow reps. I'll be icing my knee the rest of the night on and off. First round is already done and the knee feel markably better. We'll see how it feels in the morning. I need to do back and shoulders to complete my circuit but I'm doubt I'll be able to do heavy DL at all. Maybe light or maybe good mornings instead to save the knee. My back felt pretty good today, but got very tight on that right side during curls.
Pinned 20clicks on a slin of HCG (at my concentration it is ~250ius). Same pin site as last time. No issues.
I pin 1 ml prop in the right quad tomorrow.
I haven't said anything about Letro in a while, but I am on .625mg E3d. I can't wait to start my Var in another 13 days. Everybody always says test bloats you, but you can see from the pics and my weight, I'm not getting bloated. If anything, I'm recomping, which I'm surprised about. I've always been able to recomp with my routine, but I thought I'd get a bit of bloat out of test bc I can bloat from my diet decently easily. I have read, however, that the key to keeping bloat down is your diet and mine is pretty clean. Seems to be working so far for me, but it does make me wonder how my body will react to -300mg test/week but + 560mg Anavar (in addition to the half a g of test)? Single digit body fat is what I'm thinking, but I can't tell with these things. Maybe I'll plateau out..... not if I have anything to say about it.
Morry
thundergod
Well-known member
That Letro has a great deal to do with your not bloating and even appearing to recomp on this cycle.
My diet has not been perfect since Christmas!! ha ha Not bad......just a little deviation here and there. A little dark chocolate. You know.
And my Letro (same dosages as you're taking) is keeping me lean, dry, and hard.
I've put on 7 lbs. since Christmas day. It's time to clean up my diet and start working on getting ripped for the warmer months coming up.
It won't be long until it's tank-top weather!!!
If you start to see your gains drop off after dropping the Prop, just up your Enanthate doses a little. Bounce on up to 750 mgs. per week. The Var/Letro will keep you lean.
morry
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LOL....I wouldn't take it that way. I appreciate the encouragement. I'll do everything I can to keep everything in line.....I'm busting my ass, let's see how long I hold up...
You think my gains will slow as I'm getting off the prop? I hope not bc adding more test e isn't an option unless I order more and I wasn't planning on it for now. The idea was to get an ester that is fast acting till the test e fulling builds up enough for me to start feeling it. I was hoping it would balance itself out with a little overlay. I'm using the Anavar to go ahead and finish the shred, but I'll keep cals pretty decent so I don't sacrifice a ton of muscle. Coming off a cut and now back to "bulking" (even if it doesn't look like that), I think my rebound for muscle is def working in my favor. I hope this keeps up.
I have to do Back and Shoulders today to complete the split. I'm icing my knee right now......I'll post after my workout.
morry
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That's correct. The 3 bigs alternate b/t heavy and light, except chest (flat bench), I do that by feel, sometimes heavy twice a week, sometimes heavy only once a week, but at least once a week heavy. Squats and Deads I used to do twice a week, heavy, but my gains stopped, so I started alternating and things started swinging back my way. When you get above 300 on any of these at my size, you have to alternate IMO.
Day 17
Weight 209 (+3), but same as yesterday
Back / Shoulders
Workout went by a little slow I thought but somehow I still finished in right at an hour. 33 sets (including circuits of course). I went heavy on DLs today, not as heavy, but still above 300 for my 3 heavy sets. My knee was fine and my back was fine. I did feel both my knees puling at me a little, but I'm sure this is just the dumbass running. I'm not sure I'll run again while on cycle. At least not at a pace like I did. My back was relaxed and not tight. I was surprised. I didn't move up in weight bc my back has been tight and there was a knot, but I slowed reps and was sweating like a mofo. Workout was powerful and wiped me out. My forearms are getting tired as I type. I'll be listening to my body closely the next few workouts, I'm getting the feeling I may need to up the cals a little. I think energy levels while I workout will help me determine this. Maybe just an extra bannana for now to have more fructose for the old glycogen liver stores....
Pinned 1ml prop right quad. Still no issues with pinning.
No sides. Mood is good if not great. Energy is through the roof and I feel freaking great almost all the time. I'm taking Valrian and Melatonin to sleep, but I haven't really slept right since my little brother passed away a few months back. I just haven't mentioned I was taking these before so in the interest of documentation I figured I'd toss that out there. I don't, however, think the sleep has anything to do with the cycle.
I don't think I'll run tomorrow, I think I'll just hop back into my normal non-mdified split, which for me means legs and arms again tomorrow. Squats will be light this time.
Only HCG tomorrow, ~250 ius
Morry
schwellington
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BRUDDAH MON!
Doing good bro keep killing it- while ive gained 22lbs- remember i am using test/deca/dbol and a slew of other orals- which i bet at least 6 lbs is water- either way dude, those 3 lbs uve gained so far by the looks of it are PURE muscle- which is SICK in 17 days- keep killing it bro ur makin schwelly proud!
Doing good bro keep killing it- while ive gained 22lbs- remember i am using test/deca/dbol and a slew of other orals- which i bet at least 6 lbs is water- either way dude, those 3 lbs uve gained so far by the looks of it are PURE muscle- which is SICK in 17 days- keep killing it bro ur makin schwelly proud!
morry
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Thanks man and I plan to. Thanks for following along.
If you need any help or specifics let me know. I'll be more than happy to outline anything and everything that will help you out. Post like this make this thread worth it in my opinion.
edwitt
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Yes, Ive read so many BS threads about Roid rage and Tren is always front line and center of the topic
"Tren doesnt make arseholes it makes arseholes bigger"
I do think it is responsible to take a breath every now and again as there is always that Alpha Male tendency "Im bigger and better" so just be careful on that reagard
NSAID's are counter productive to muscle growth but youve gotta do what youve gotta do, i can post studies on this for you later
Good idea a re extra day and yes Anavar has proven healing capabilities, ill post studies in that to when i dig up the one on NSAID's
While agree with the eat, train sleep i peronally find the setting of new PR's to be very motivational.... However never allow form to suffer in the pursuit of them
Where you get your shirts from? the Hulk shop ?
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morry
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:bow28:
I was aware of the NSAIDs slowing growth, but agreed, you do what you gotta do. If you do get a chance, def post the studies. I'm sure some following along would ike to see them as would I (for reference and stuff). I'm not worthy....you are a wealth of good info bro, Thanks for taking the time and posting in my thread.
Legs and Arms here in a couple hours. A little HCG on the side.
I'm going out of town next week and will be gone during one of my HCG pins. I'm thinking I'll just load the slin and stick it in a cooler? I am driving so no worries about an air-plane. Then put it in the fridge when I get there? That's all I can come up with what to do. Diet will be challenging while I'm gone to, but I'll post what I come up with. Maybe it'll help some of the traveling muscle heads. Maybe not.
Stay tuned
morry
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Day 18
weight - 209 (+3), but same as the last two days
Legs / Arms
Widow maker day. 135x15, 205x22, 205x18, 205x16, 205x13. Supersetting those with 21s on the bis with 65 (or 60 if an EZ bar is 10). I was sweating like hell and was able to kill some sets. I should have been tired as crap, but I just pushed through it. I even added a set at the end and went up in weight and/or reps in just about every lift. Lunges were fine, no prob with the knee. None with squats either. Lunges I could still feel my knee pulling some, but I did themweighted anyhow bc it didn't hurt, It just felt tight. Leg extensions I did limit my range of motion, but not as much last time and I was able to do 185x18 and down to 14 for three sets, supersetting with wide grip pullups body weight x 22, then 15, then 12. Workout felt pretty damn good.
Pinned HCG, same site, same amount....blah
I'm staying the same weight and my diet is identical each day, plus I'm getting stronger. I know water can have some major effects, but it might be possible I'm pretty damn close to burning as much fat as I add muscle each day. That would be amazing. I doubt I'm this lucky, but it sounds pretty good. The next couple days will help me make up my mind. That is also why I keep pics, it really helps tell if I am gaining or losing BF. I do have calipers, but it has only been 18 days, so I'll wait till the end of prop just so I have some baseline numbers for the start of anavar. Is that physiologically possible? I know not exactly......but close.
A pound of fat is 3500 calories, right?
I'm eating somewhere around 3500 a day.
My workout is high intensity for just under an hour, 5-6 days a week (depending if I do two back to back splits or I seperate them), my body fat if I had an educated guess is prob around 12 maybe 11 but I doubt it. So that means I have 23 total pounds of fat and 186 pounds solid muscle. Essential is b/t 2-5%, so average is 3.5 which is around 7 lbs that I have to have leaving 16lbs of fat that I don't "have" to have and 186lbs of muscles, tissue and organs. I wonder if an average weight of everything in LBM but muscle coulod be figured, then try to figure out pound for pound how many calories you have the ability to burn with the muscle you have, the workouts (and regular daily activity) you go through and then fine tune it until you get a close balance where you sit still on on the scale but get stronger and more muscular. Sounds too complicated.....I'll just guess and see what happens. :lol: or just keep doing what I'm doing and watch the scale and strength side of things.....
Morry
weight - 209 (+3), but same as the last two days
Legs / Arms
Widow maker day. 135x15, 205x22, 205x18, 205x16, 205x13. Supersetting those with 21s on the bis with 65 (or 60 if an EZ bar is 10). I was sweating like hell and was able to kill some sets. I should have been tired as crap, but I just pushed through it. I even added a set at the end and went up in weight and/or reps in just about every lift. Lunges were fine, no prob with the knee. None with squats either. Lunges I could still feel my knee pulling some, but I did themweighted anyhow bc it didn't hurt, It just felt tight. Leg extensions I did limit my range of motion, but not as much last time and I was able to do 185x18 and down to 14 for three sets, supersetting with wide grip pullups body weight x 22, then 15, then 12. Workout felt pretty damn good.
Pinned HCG, same site, same amount....blah
I'm staying the same weight and my diet is identical each day, plus I'm getting stronger. I know water can have some major effects, but it might be possible I'm pretty damn close to burning as much fat as I add muscle each day. That would be amazing. I doubt I'm this lucky, but it sounds pretty good. The next couple days will help me make up my mind. That is also why I keep pics, it really helps tell if I am gaining or losing BF. I do have calipers, but it has only been 18 days, so I'll wait till the end of prop just so I have some baseline numbers for the start of anavar. Is that physiologically possible? I know not exactly......but close.
A pound of fat is 3500 calories, right?
I'm eating somewhere around 3500 a day.
My workout is high intensity for just under an hour, 5-6 days a week (depending if I do two back to back splits or I seperate them), my body fat if I had an educated guess is prob around 12 maybe 11 but I doubt it. So that means I have 23 total pounds of fat and 186 pounds solid muscle. Essential is b/t 2-5%, so average is 3.5 which is around 7 lbs that I have to have leaving 16lbs of fat that I don't "have" to have and 186lbs of muscles, tissue and organs. I wonder if an average weight of everything in LBM but muscle coulod be figured, then try to figure out pound for pound how many calories you have the ability to burn with the muscle you have, the workouts (and regular daily activity) you go through and then fine tune it until you get a close balance where you sit still on on the scale but get stronger and more muscular. Sounds too complicated.....I'll just guess and see what happens. :lol: or just keep doing what I'm doing and watch the scale and strength side of things.....
Morry
Pipes
Active member
I dont exactly agree with the idea there is no such thing as roid rage. I liked bigger faster stronger, but again its a documentary and like all documentarys they are sided for the ideas of the person shooting it.
Any person can tell you without being a doctor that increased hormones lead to increased emotions.
broki06
New member
Hey man Im new to this but have heard about a few products out there. I've done the research and have spoken to several dudes who have taken these products and say they are legit just don't what site to get them from. They originally told me AG- Guys but when i researched the site, the last review was in 06-07. Im trying to see if you know where I could find T3 and liquid clen? Thank you!
edwitt
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morry
Well-known member
I agree with ya. Increased emotions, though, don't mean RAGE IMO, they just mean that you do have to take that 5 sec breather before you rip somebodies head off. I think we are saying the same thing, just in a bit of a different way. I just think that roids should never be an excuse to be a d1ck. If you can't handle them, don't take them.
Thanks bro, keep following along. This is doing nothing but getting better....
Really???? :ban:
and finally :banned:
Welcome to AM, but if you don't read the forum rules you won't be here long. Continue to follow along and do some research. There are forums that allow what you are doing, you just can't do it here.
That being said, I'm on a ton of the boards, but I really only contribute to this one. Maybe that's bad, but the guys are here are knowledgeable, so when and if you do ever find something to feed your rats, you could def ask a lot of questions here about HOW to feed those rats. You just can't ask where to get the food....
See what I mean, you got Edwitt and Pipes that both piped (sorry) up and said something within a couple minutes of you posting. This is a GREAT forum.
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Pinned 2ml this morning. I must have overdosed the prop a little earlier this week bc I was only able to draw out around 3/4 of a ml, but no matter, the bottle vial is empty so I dosed all of it. I didn't run into this last vial, it is 5ml, so I get 5 pins off one bottle, so I start my 3rd vial on Sun. I'll pay closer attention this time. I was just exact the first time so maybe I just got lazy and stopped paying close enough attention.
Morry
schwellington
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its okay morry- everyone is predicting my death and failure and smallness as if they wuz Moses himself omgz yuh
im doing it to spite them- my greatness will not be let down- period
im doing it to spite them- my greatness will not be let down- period
morry
Well-known member
I concur....
I really hope nobody is predicting Schwell's death. Maybe the death of his ball sac, but that won't be known for quite some time. I'd chimed in over there a little more, but look at me. I'm ON my first injectable. Who the eff am I to say anything about a long cycle. I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I know me and my body pretty well and I don't think I'd give it a whirl, but everybody is really different. There were some vets that chimed in and what they said was def worth the read.
But wasn't it not too long ago that ppl were thinking Ed is crazy? He proved em wrong. Now schwell has to do the same thing. I don't think I'd be the only to say that Edwitt does have good info to post, is a valueable member here, and proved a lot of ppl wrong. So it's possible, right?
I want to stop working NOW. My arms and chest are dying to hit the weights!!!!
SouthernCharm
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Wal Mart. Should be next to the Body Fortress Protein.. If they don't have it check your other local stores...
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morry
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Day 19
Weight (208 +2)but down 1 from yesterday
Chest / Abs
I tried to see if my one rep max was around 332, no go. Close, but no go. It wouldn't have been a PR anyhow, I was just seeing. I was benching 345 at the height of my oral cycle last year, so I got a couple weeks till I get back there. That is why I said earlier I was riding on muscle memory. Overall, though, I was pleased with the workout. Added one more set and still finished in time. This keeps getting me. I think I'm going to finish in about in about 1 hr and 15 min, but I look at the clock and I'm finishing in 55 min. Still hitting the sets very hard and being tired isn't really an issue. I feel like I'm worn out, but then I go into another set almost as strong as the last with little to no rest.
I still haven't decided if I'm going to continue to stay at a max lift weight of 345 or if I'm going to buy more weight. I can DL rep 345 a good amount of times and going much higher just seems like I'm inviting injury. I feel like I should wait until my squats are identical to my DL and my bench gets up to 375 (one rep max) before I should but more weight to DL with. This might keep me from hurting myself.
Tomorrow is Back / Shoulders, light DL day. Then I should rest Sunday, but I won't bc I'm leaving to go out of town and I'm going to take monday off most likely. Depends on my accomadations at my destination and how my body is feeling. My back was tight during my workout and a little tight throughout the day, but it wasn't painful just tight. Knee wasn't an issue today, but it also wasn't bearing any real weight (besides my "pleasantly plump" ass).
Still no sides. No achne, no rage, no nothing. I feel really, really good, but nothing negative so far. Only 10-12 (I have one extra pin) days of prop left, then I start the Anavar the 31st. My freaking scale isn't here yet and I hate those freaking chinese people right now. I've emailed and no response. Mothereffers. Not hating on ALL chinese, just the souless ones at the scale factory right now.
If it doesn't arrive by next Wed, I'll drop the cash to have a domestic one rush shipped to me. I don't want to do it, but I sent those retards an email so if I need to dispute the transaction, I have a record. Chinese ain't smarter than this mofo. I'm going to go nagasaki on them.....kidding.
I won't skip this weeks pic, but I might the following week bc I'm thinking things will start slowing down by then. I'm not sure though. I said weekly pics, so if they are wanted, I'll comply. My intesity is very high and will stay there and my diet is painfully perfect. I don't mind it though, I like the results I'm getting. Being single and working a lot helps bc all I have to worry about is food, working out, and work.
I take the pics regardless for my records. I was actually thinking of doing something pretty unique at the very end of my log. I have kept a photo diary of cycles for about 4 or 5 years. I may (I said MAY) post some highlights throughout my heavy lifting and getting much stronger just so some of the younger guys on here can see how things can and will with dedication, progress towards being a semi-beast. I got this one pic when I was 24 and was on week 4 of my second M1T/4ad cycle. It still flips me out. I was around 6 maybe 7% bf, but I wasn't as strong as I am now. My V was just real, real deep, benching 315 but DL wasn't anywhere close to repping 345 and squatting wasn't as high as it is now. So I'm thinking I might be able to beat that pic by the end of this cycle. We'll see. I finally got stronger last year, but I wasn't as cut up.
If I don't post it, it's prob cause I failed at doing so and don't want to be ragged. What do you guys think? Too homo to post pics that old? Kidding, but really, you guys think it would help some out? They go fat, ripped, fat, ripped......blah blah blah.....if nothing else you may laugh.
Comments?
Morry
Weight (208 +2)but down 1 from yesterday
Chest / Abs
I tried to see if my one rep max was around 332, no go. Close, but no go. It wouldn't have been a PR anyhow, I was just seeing. I was benching 345 at the height of my oral cycle last year, so I got a couple weeks till I get back there. That is why I said earlier I was riding on muscle memory. Overall, though, I was pleased with the workout. Added one more set and still finished in time. This keeps getting me. I think I'm going to finish in about in about 1 hr and 15 min, but I look at the clock and I'm finishing in 55 min. Still hitting the sets very hard and being tired isn't really an issue. I feel like I'm worn out, but then I go into another set almost as strong as the last with little to no rest.
I still haven't decided if I'm going to continue to stay at a max lift weight of 345 or if I'm going to buy more weight. I can DL rep 345 a good amount of times and going much higher just seems like I'm inviting injury. I feel like I should wait until my squats are identical to my DL and my bench gets up to 375 (one rep max) before I should but more weight to DL with. This might keep me from hurting myself.
Tomorrow is Back / Shoulders, light DL day. Then I should rest Sunday, but I won't bc I'm leaving to go out of town and I'm going to take monday off most likely. Depends on my accomadations at my destination and how my body is feeling. My back was tight during my workout and a little tight throughout the day, but it wasn't painful just tight. Knee wasn't an issue today, but it also wasn't bearing any real weight (besides my "pleasantly plump" ass).
Still no sides. No achne, no rage, no nothing. I feel really, really good, but nothing negative so far. Only 10-12 (I have one extra pin) days of prop left, then I start the Anavar the 31st. My freaking scale isn't here yet and I hate those freaking chinese people right now. I've emailed and no response. Mothereffers. Not hating on ALL chinese, just the souless ones at the scale factory right now.
If it doesn't arrive by next Wed, I'll drop the cash to have a domestic one rush shipped to me. I don't want to do it, but I sent those retards an email so if I need to dispute the transaction, I have a record. Chinese ain't smarter than this mofo. I'm going to go nagasaki on them.....kidding.I won't skip this weeks pic, but I might the following week bc I'm thinking things will start slowing down by then. I'm not sure though. I said weekly pics, so if they are wanted, I'll comply. My intesity is very high and will stay there and my diet is painfully perfect. I don't mind it though, I like the results I'm getting. Being single and working a lot helps bc all I have to worry about is food, working out, and work.
I take the pics regardless for my records. I was actually thinking of doing something pretty unique at the very end of my log. I have kept a photo diary of cycles for about 4 or 5 years. I may (I said MAY) post some highlights throughout my heavy lifting and getting much stronger just so some of the younger guys on here can see how things can and will with dedication, progress towards being a semi-beast. I got this one pic when I was 24 and was on week 4 of my second M1T/4ad cycle. It still flips me out. I was around 6 maybe 7% bf, but I wasn't as strong as I am now. My V was just real, real deep, benching 315 but DL wasn't anywhere close to repping 345 and squatting wasn't as high as it is now. So I'm thinking I might be able to beat that pic by the end of this cycle. We'll see. I finally got stronger last year, but I wasn't as cut up.
If I don't post it, it's prob cause I failed at doing so and don't want to be ragged. What do you guys think? Too homo to post pics that old? Kidding, but really, you guys think it would help some out? They go fat, ripped, fat, ripped......blah blah blah.....if nothing else you may laugh.
Comments?
Morry
SouthernCharm
Well-known member
Post the damn pics. All of em, if you were fat, fukk it youre not fat now lol..
I'm fat. you're not. lol... so lets see it..
Speaking of fat, and pics, I posted 2 new pics in my log and a new vid of me pulling 455 x 1
I'm fat. you're not. lol... so lets see it..
Speaking of fat, and pics, I posted 2 new pics in my log and a new vid of me pulling 455 x 1
morry
Well-known member
these are them
They are in chronological order. The first being a little over 3 years ago then 4 months after that one, then one more month later, then 2 months later, then 1 year 3 months later, then 2 months later, one mone later, 18 days later, then 3 months later is the first pic to this cycle
They are in chronological order. The first being a little over 3 years ago then 4 months after that one, then one more month later, then 2 months later, then 1 year 3 months later, then 2 months later, one mone later, 18 days later, then 3 months later is the first pic to this cycle
morry
Well-known member
maybe not, I think they look different and it looks like I get a little chubbier then back to being skinny and so on. No? I should've waited till the end of my cycle. Impaticience......
waynaferd
Well-known member
Hey, you guys got more info on the NSAIDS? I been using Advil PM..... a bit much maybe (prolly EOnight), but I thought I read awhile back its easier on the liver and such, so I thought it was a better choice. Especially during the 4 weeks of mdrol.......
I wish I had morry's BF%, LOL.......
I wish I had morry's BF%, LOL.......
edwitt
Well-known member
A group in 2001 using eccentric contractions in human subjects to induce muscle damage, showed that post-exercise NSAID use drastically reduced the increase in protein synthesis normally seen in response to muscle damage. This study is relevant to real workouts because the researchers used a model for muscle damage that is very similar to what what happens during a normal weight training workout and the doses of NSAIDs used in the study were normal therapeutic doses, not unlike those that most people would take for a headache or after a tough workout for soreness.(3) The results of this study were that, in the untreated subjects, post-exercise muscle protein synthesis (24 hours post-workout) increased in upwards of 76%, while subjects that received either acetaminophen or ibuprofen saw no significant increase at all. The implications of this study are huge; if you are into taking a few Advil after a tough workout to alleviate soreness, think again; you may be severely hindering your progress.
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Last year i had a badly inflamed rotator cuff and i just wouldn't have been able to work out without ibuprofen to reduce that inflammation before WO's
morry
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Day 19
Weight 210 (+4)
Back / Shoulders.
EDIT UPDATE
Workout went very, very well and my weight is coming up finally. I didn't modify my diet at all and no noticeable change in water intake. Maybe muscle gain (and some water), maybe fluke. Either way it was nice to see the scale going back up. My back was loose and didn't hurt. My knees were fine. It was light DL day and everything went great. I probably didn't lift as many reps, but it is because I slowed the reps down and when I DL like that I don't let the bar touch the ground until i'm finished (makes your abs really, really burn).
I'm out of town right now, so i won't be weighing myself, but I may just take this time and rest. I'll still do some cardio, maybe swim, not sure yet. But after 19 days and only taking 3 days off (maybe 4), I think it is time to give myself a day or so to grow and rest. No really heavy lifting. I don't really have a choice anyhow, my setup and the way I workout can not be done where I am now. Wednesday night is a different story. I will still post a pic tomorrow night as promised. It might be late, but I'll post it.
Still no sides. I'm sore all the time, but what else is knew? It feels good to be sore and lets me know I'[m hitting the weights hard. I'll be doing cardio tomorrow or a light legs and arms day, but there won't be traditional heavy squats in there if I do. So i mind if I was going to make up my mind this second about rest or a light workout, I'd say I'm going to meet myself in the middle (is that possible).
Thanks for the read...
Morry
Weight 210 (+4)
Back / Shoulders.
EDIT UPDATE
Workout went very, very well and my weight is coming up finally. I didn't modify my diet at all and no noticeable change in water intake. Maybe muscle gain (and some water), maybe fluke. Either way it was nice to see the scale going back up. My back was loose and didn't hurt. My knees were fine. It was light DL day and everything went great. I probably didn't lift as many reps, but it is because I slowed the reps down and when I DL like that I don't let the bar touch the ground until i'm finished (makes your abs really, really burn).
I'm out of town right now, so i won't be weighing myself, but I may just take this time and rest. I'll still do some cardio, maybe swim, not sure yet. But after 19 days and only taking 3 days off (maybe 4), I think it is time to give myself a day or so to grow and rest. No really heavy lifting. I don't really have a choice anyhow, my setup and the way I workout can not be done where I am now. Wednesday night is a different story. I will still post a pic tomorrow night as promised. It might be late, but I'll post it.
Still no sides. I'm sore all the time, but what else is knew? It feels good to be sore and lets me know I'[m hitting the weights hard. I'll be doing cardio tomorrow or a light legs and arms day, but there won't be traditional heavy squats in there if I do. So i mind if I was going to make up my mind this second about rest or a light workout, I'd say I'm going to meet myself in the middle (is that possible).
Thanks for the read...
Morry
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mich29
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good to hear bro
waynaferd
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Jeepers!! I usually workout early afternoon, then would take the AdvilPM before bed, prolly 7~ hours later.....Hopefully the test and deca outweighed the neg effects LOL...
schwellington
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+4 your gaining gaining gaining
B5150
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No one is/was predicting his death. The sentiment of some of us was that with his limited knowledge or training, nutrition and overall experience there is absolutely no need for him to be going to the excesses and extremes with substances as he has. More does not always equate to more benefits. His fruits will be in no way equal to the excesses he has consumed and would likely be equal had he simply stuck with a bread and butter d-bol/test cycle. Hell, most veterans still use no more than that and continue to reap quite great results.
Your humility becomes you and will be an asset in the long run.
He is crazy. Who has he proved wrong? What is the point? He too is using excesses and extremes and everything I said about schwell applies to him as well. More does not equate to more benefits.
You are equating knowledge and or valuable input to prudent and rational behavior. They are not one in the same. Again, proving people wrong? What is the point?
Now don't get all up in arms about my post. The point is simple. Extreme cycles are not required and the ability to undertake them without death does not in anyway validate their benefits and fruitfulness. Some people have a psychological issue with excesses and extremes and they rationalize them. It is the nature of the individual.
Both parties could achieve no less with much less.
morry
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UPDATE
BUMP FOR MY UPDATE ON DAY 19
Well said David, very well said. All I meant about Ed and Schwell is a lot less people go into Ed's log and flame him, that's all. You're right there is nothing to prove. IMO only knowledge to gain and perhaps everything to lose depending on how each one of embraces the bodybuilding side of ourselves.
I'm not up in arms. Your post as of recently have provoked productive though on my behalf.
Plus I got a board admin chiming in on my cycle log? I'll take it as a compliment.
Ed is a ripped mofo and a lot stronger than I. Maybe Schwell is on his way too. All speculation. I do enjoy both of thier logs and have gotten to know each one of them decently well for ppl you meet on forums.
Morry
BUMP FOR MY UPDATE ON DAY 19
Well said David, very well said. All I meant about Ed and Schwell is a lot less people go into Ed's log and flame him, that's all. You're right there is nothing to prove. IMO only knowledge to gain and perhaps everything to lose depending on how each one of embraces the bodybuilding side of ourselves.
I'm not up in arms. Your post as of recently have provoked productive though on my behalf.
Plus I got a board admin chiming in on my cycle log? I'll take it as a compliment.
Ed is a ripped mofo and a lot stronger than I. Maybe Schwell is on his way too. All speculation. I do enjoy both of thier logs and have gotten to know each one of them decently well for ppl you meet on forums.
Morry
edwitt
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Confused at these statements in bold and i could quote you on more but i don have the time and energy to go through the logs to do so but i have a rather good memory
I have never condoned the excesses to which i am prepared to go and highly recommend that others do not but i will tell you that every cycle is planned meticulously making sure every detail and every possible conflict is covered, never leaving out the smallest of detail... I believe strongly that there is no such thing as being over prepared and this is where i differ from Shweligton his cycle has just been thrown together at random and their have been more changes than a whores draws, sorry mate.
My cycle, training and diet are set in stone and when i start i never waver, i planned my current cycle for 6 months and 90% of what i am using was purchased 4-5 months prior to starting... Is the use of insulin necessary? NO but i can promise you i know as much if not more on the subject than most diabetics so in my humble opinion is my cycle excessive? YES... Dangerous? NO
Now to the question of "could i have achieved more with less?" NO definitely not but of course that's just my opinion. Could i have achieved close to what i have achieved with much less ? YES for sure
Some people have a psychological issue with excesses and extremes and they rationalize them. It is the nature of the individual.
100% agree with this statement ? whether it driving to fast or extreme skiing you have to be able to psychologically justify the risks involved, I was going to add something else but it seems disrespectful so ill leave it at that and just leave you with a picture
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morry
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Oh geez.....
Day 20
weight UNKNOWN
Cardio
Swam about 1.25 miles today. It was an easy swim, but I got a nice pump going in my shoulders. They burnt pretty good and my body was enjoying not getting slammed with some weight. I would do 50 yards free, the 25 breast as one rep, then 5 rets, 6 sets. I was able to hit the hot tub for about 10 minutes to to give my muscles so me more relaxing. Needless to say, I feel very relaxed this morningI wish I had a heated pool in my house. These things are perfect for when you are injured or have tight muscles.
I only pin HCG tomorrow. I'm not sure if I'll swim again or hit some light weights. I'll decide around lunch. Swimming felt good, but prob wasn't enough for me while on cycle (at least not two days in a row). Maybe I'll hit some weights, then go swim.......ah, the possiblilities. Stop rolling your eyes....
A new pic tomorrow too
On a side note i was hoping to have some company while I swam. I was only
joined by a woman that was probably older than dirt. ****. Still a good swim, but no eye candy.
Morry
Day 20
weight UNKNOWN
Cardio
Swam about 1.25 miles today. It was an easy swim, but I got a nice pump going in my shoulders. They burnt pretty good and my body was enjoying not getting slammed with some weight. I would do 50 yards free, the 25 breast as one rep, then 5 rets, 6 sets. I was able to hit the hot tub for about 10 minutes to to give my muscles so me more relaxing. Needless to say, I feel very relaxed this morningI wish I had a heated pool in my house. These things are perfect for when you are injured or have tight muscles.
I only pin HCG tomorrow. I'm not sure if I'll swim again or hit some light weights. I'll decide around lunch. Swimming felt good, but prob wasn't enough for me while on cycle (at least not two days in a row). Maybe I'll hit some weights, then go swim.......ah, the possiblilities. Stop rolling your eyes....
A new pic tomorrow too
On a side note i was hoping to have some company while I swam. I was only
joined by a woman that was probably older than dirt. ****. Still a good swim, but no eye candy.
Morry
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edwitt
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Come to my gym
waynaferd
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Your test must not be kicking in all the way yet....for awhile I was checking out the 60~something year old secratary at the office LOL......:wtf:......I bet back in the day, though......LMAO
morry
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morry
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LMFAO.....I guess in this rare instance, I'm glad the test hadn't kicked in (in this respect that is). My effin d1ck would have probably rotted off from whatever old acid had been brewing in that b1tches cooter......:lol:
morry
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Day 21
Weight, still out of town, no clue, weigh in is on wednesday
Chest / Abs / Legs / Shoulders / Arms / back (a little) / cardio
So I elected not to rest today, but instead to take this chance and hit every body part once or twice with some medium weights (they only have 50lbs dumb bells...lol....p|_|ssies...). I still did two circuits, one that had planks in it and effin a I forgot how bad those hurt (in a good way). I worked out for bout 40 min at med to high intensity, then I swam 750 yards in about 10 or so min. I got out sweating from the pool, muscles good and loose and ready to slam a protein shake. 3/4 hour later, I ate some chicken, onions, and peppers. I haven't logged what I decided to do about food since I'm out of town, but I'll try to remember to do so tonight. I think you guys will be surprsied. I've gotten it where I eat almost the same thing....lol. I'm boring, but it works!
Pinned ~250 ius HCG. No problems.
No sides. Mood is still good. I have that alpha feeling, but not bad enough where I feel like I have to assert myself. I have been presented with a couple situations, but I behave and keep my mouth shut. I'm following the old if you have a great power, choosing not to exercise makes you greater. We'll see how long that last.
Pics as promised.
Morry
Weight, still out of town, no clue, weigh in is on wednesday
Chest / Abs / Legs / Shoulders / Arms / back (a little) / cardio
So I elected not to rest today, but instead to take this chance and hit every body part once or twice with some medium weights (they only have 50lbs dumb bells...lol....p|_|ssies...). I still did two circuits, one that had planks in it and effin a I forgot how bad those hurt (in a good way). I worked out for bout 40 min at med to high intensity, then I swam 750 yards in about 10 or so min. I got out sweating from the pool, muscles good and loose and ready to slam a protein shake. 3/4 hour later, I ate some chicken, onions, and peppers. I haven't logged what I decided to do about food since I'm out of town, but I'll try to remember to do so tonight. I think you guys will be surprsied. I've gotten it where I eat almost the same thing....lol. I'm boring, but it works!
Pinned ~250 ius HCG. No problems.
No sides. Mood is still good. I have that alpha feeling, but not bad enough where I feel like I have to assert myself. I have been presented with a couple situations, but I behave and keep my mouth shut. I'm following the old if you have a great power, choosing not to exercise makes you greater. We'll see how long that last.
Pics as promised.
Morry
schwellington
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arms are huge my dude, lookin good for sure no homo
morry
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morry
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Hell yeah bro! For the first 4 weeks or so you will get light headed, feel dizzy b/t circuits and be thirsty as hell. Pair that with being tired as fock and it is difficult to get through. After that tho, you will be thanking yourself bc you've taught your body two things, it can become much stronger using weight and fatigue, and I pretty sure your body gets better at burning fats both during exercise and after because the workouts are so intense. You may be able to able to lay off cardio for a while. I HAVE to bc my joints can't take that crap.
Take a pic today. Then in about 3 weeks. See what you've accomplished. And it's ok if the workouts are only 30 min in the beginning. When you go that licked, keep adding sets to super sets, then circuits instead of supesets, till you have half circuits half supersets and Jesus, you'll grow and cut. When you get a week when you are really killing it, do mostly circuits, but you almost have to do some supersets bc you are too fatigue (Ie DL 345, then military press 200, you shouldn't put another exercise in there IMO, too hard on ya and your DL will suffer too bad).
That makes me smile you're killing it. Please keep us up to date with your progress
morry
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No problem and anytime!!!
Day 22
weight: weigh in tomorrow
Back / Abs / Tris / Cardio
Still out of town and they only have 50lbs dumbells here, so I'm making as much as can with what I have. Workouts have been good tho. I have be revisiting exercises I haven't done in a while (planks, squats with military press, weighted leg raises, and others). I think this is good bc I've been hitting it hard for 3 weeks, then I got a full day of just cardio, now two days of hitting every muscles group (bt the two days) with medium weight and I followed it up with cardio (swimming 500-750 yards until I'm exhausted). Tomorrow I will start my regular split with Legs and Arms (heavy squats). I'm interested to see the numbers this week bc my muscles have had plenty of time to rest without me allowing them to be lazy.
Pinned 2ml test e/test p this morning. No issues. A little sore as usual, but nothing bad. Still no sides. My endurance is pretty crazy, but that's to be expected given how hard I normally workout. I'm dying to get on a scale to see how things are moving along. Diet has been very clean.
I meant to mention what I decided to do while I was gone. I took a cutting board, a knife, a bowl, a spoon, mini blender and a george foreman. I was able to prepare everything in my room the way I normally do when I'm home. With the exception of my eggs in the morning, which I bought liquid egg whites and either add it to make shake in the morning or I just drink it (don't knock it till you try it, you just cant "think" you are dinking eggs, it doesn't taste bad at all). 3 solid meals a day with 2 snacks and a pre and post workout shake so I'd say I'm covered.
I'd say to the guys that blame being out of town as a reason to "cheat". Man up. Get your supplies together and put together a plan that won't allow you to cheat. At all.....
Slept really well last night, I was exhausted. No tightness in the back and nothing out of the knee. I think the days in the water after my workout (and the initial 1.25 miles in there) have done a lot for my recovery.
Now I'm just wishing I had access to a pool at home bc on my rest days, I'd happily swim a couple miles.
I got a crap ton of driving to do in the next couple days, but I've already planned my diets and working out time, so nothing will suffer besides my sanity.
Morry
thundergod
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EVERYONE!! READ THIS!!!
Morry, you have hit on something that should have been discussed on this board long ago.
People do tend to let their diets slip a little when they're traveling or vacationing. That's totally inexcusable. Where there's a will.......there's a way!!
Morry has just detailed how to get the job done. It's all about the planning. You have to make sure you meet your goals no matter what obstacles stand in your way.
Good Job Morry!!!:clap2: :clap2:
schwellington
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Morry, if there is one thing I can guarntee from my cycle vs your cycle- my nuts are without a doubt- smaller
drchildress
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hahahahaha Morry and Schwell, I am going to be logging my next go around come monday and I would love for you both to sub!
schwellington
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sure y the hell not
morry
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I second that. Hijack here dude, I'll def take a look see......