Morry's Test P/Test E cycle + PCT, thinkin I'll hit 375 bench????

[schwellington]

log=success

 

[thundergod]

I did get a little scale .001x20g bc I'm getting some RAW Var to run weeks 5-12. Planning on 80mg ED for 30 days then 100mg ED for 26 days making exactly 8 weeks and 5 grams.
Should I split the Var does for morning and evening? I'm assuming I just weigh out the powder and toss it in my mouth and take it with water (just like BCAA's)? Anybody care to chime in on this?Thanks for the read.


Morry

Yes. Split up the VAR doses in morning and evening doses. Half the daily dose each time. And you could take it with some GFJ. You know what I mean!!! :yup:

 

[morry]

log=success

Thanks bro, not nearly the amount of post as your log, but I'll try to keep as much info in here so guys following along will get a good idea of my experiences.

 

[morry]

Yes. Split up the VAR doses in morning and evening doses. Half the daily dose each time. And you could take it with some GFJ. You know what I mean!!! :yup:

Gotcha. So it taste that bad? I'm not worried about the taste, since college I've sorta been able to drink gasoline, but is it suggested to drink the VAR with something strong tasting?

I'll split the dose up too. 40 mcg am 40 pm, the 50 and 50. Coffee time, then when I weigh in at night.

Thanks bro!

Today is Legs / Arms. I can't get to my scale again today. The roads are all closed and everything i shut down. Luckily, I listened to the warnings, packed all my stuff up and a ton of my food and protein and headed over to my folks where all my workout equipment is. Gotta sleep on the couch, but I have my food, my workout equipment, and one dose of test e/test p just in case I'm stuck here till tomorrow. I'm gtg!
Didn't want to get stuck at my place with no way to workout.....eff that! I'm on cycle, every day happens once, every set counts, every rep better hurt and burn.....

I'll post after myworkout....

 

[schwellington]

Thanks bro, not nearly the amount of post as your log, but I'll try to keep as much info in here so guys following along will get a good idea of my experiences.

true but not as much dumb ass comments either



i would honestly rather my log be much less cluttered lol but everyone and their mothers ( with the exception of you, edwitt, SS, Unrealmachine, mitch and sc maybe some more) come and talk down to me lol


o well haters gon hate


im watching this my brethren:shock:

 

[morry]

Day 8
Weight, still no data, the weather is horrible here and the roads unpassable so I elected to stay with my food and workout equipment, my scale is at my house for time being and I'm staying elsewhere. Good news is, I got all the food I want and all the time in the world to workout with tons equipment. So even tho gyms are closed, I'm still hitting the weights. Having all your own equip does have its advantages.

Legs and Arms today

Workout wasn't as energetic, but the intesity was def there. The strength is slowly edging up as well. I feel much more powerful and my focus is right on. I just wasn't jumping from superset to circuit as quick, I needed some time to catch my breath. But I can really concentrate on the "squeeze" for my lifts. I did switch up a circuit, but only bc it made more sense to me, but overall the workout was the same. I upped the weight on a few lifts, but no PR's as of yet, just trained to failure. Mood is still very good. Water intake duing the workout is up as well to about a half gallon (not to mention the other 1 to w1.5 gallons I drink throughout the day).

I was able to get to my house today to get some of my gear bc it seems I'll be staying here for a few days and I only had enough with me for tomorrows pin, now I have enough for more than a week if need be. I also grabbed the HCG, so I'll start that tomorrow.

I pin 2 ml (1 test p, 1 test e) tomorrow in the left quad. This will be the first time the left get 2 full ml. Soreness is completely gone from the left (been 4 days since the last pin bc I back to backed the right to get the left a 2ml inject). The right is barely sore. What everybody says is right, it goes away pretty quick and your muscles get used to it. I think I'll just stick to alternating quads as this has been decently painless besides a little soreness here and there.

No sides. I have been on Hawthorne Berries since a week before the gear come in and I haven't had any issues with BP. I'v taken it three times and it was normal for me every time. I was getting a little headache after my mid afternoon espresso, but I decided to take hawthorne twice a day, once in the morning and once in after lunch and the headache went away. Even if I don't take Hawthrone berry the second time, the headache goes away after a workout anyhow (maybe endorphins?).

Thanks for the read, bring on the comments.

Pics below, go ahead, say what you want. I know I need to cut down some more, but I can't lower cals too much, I need the gains....
If somebody can tell me the code so the pics are side by side, I'll edit this post. Eventually I'd like them to just line up all the way to week 12 or maybe even after if I include PCT. It will depend on the guys subbed. If I'm helping guys out I'll do it....

Morry

DAY 1 WEEK 1​

DAY 8 WEEK 2​

 

[schwellington]

dude ur already thicker for sure

test p is working

its going to just keep getting better

 

[edwitt]

Yes. Split up the VAR doses in morning and evening doses. Half the daily dose each time. And you could take it with some GFJ. You know what I mean!!! :yup:

haha the old GFJ gotta love it

Im thinking you have the VAR and it the RAW material you have 3 options

Your gonna need some digital scales accurate to 0.01g for all methods approx $15 on Amazon

1) Make a suspension using grain alcohol and PEG
2) Cap em - Capping machine and empty gel caps sold here at NP or Amazon, you will have to add a filler creatine or whey will work just fine\
3) My preferred method take 5g VAR add 45g filler.. Crush the Var up good with a mortel and pestel its quite grainy almost like salt

Once mixed put it in a ziplock and give at another good shake it will be nicely mixed by this point

Now simply weigh out on your scales in a plastic cup with some water

0.5g = 50mg VAR
0.8g = 80mg VAR
1g = 100mg VAR
you get the idea ?

Very easy to adjust your doseage with this method cheapest and quickest method by far and you dont have to consume grain alcohol, PEG or gel caps

Now kneck it

As far as when to take it i agree with splitting it up the dose as TG suggests for your purposes, half life is 8-9 hours

 

[morry]

haha the old GFJ gotta love it

Im thinking you have the VAR and it the RAW material you have 3 options

Your gonna need some digital scales accurate to 0.01g for all methods approx $15 on Amazon

1) Make a suspension using grain alcohol and PEG
2) Cap em - Capping machine and empty gel caps sold here at NP or Amazon, you will have to add a filler creatine or whey will work just fine\
3) My preferred method take 5g VAR add 45g filler.. Crush the Var up good with a mortel and pestel its quite grainy almost like salt

Once mixed put it in a ziplock and give at another good shake it will be nicely mixed by this point

Now simply weigh out on your scales in a plastic cup with some water

0.5g = 50mg VAR
0.8g = 80mg VAR
1g = 100mg VAR
you get the idea ?

Very easy to adjust your doseage with this method cheapest and quickest method by far and you dont have to consume grain alcohol, PEG or gel caps

Now kneck it

As far as when to take it i agree with splitting it up the dose as TG suggests for your purposes, half life is 8-9 hours

Do you have to grind it up like that? I'm so new to this I feel dumb asking, but why can't you just swallow the var? And why the filler? Are you saying actually take it and shake it in a bag with protein and then making a shake? Why can't I just take it like Bayer and swallow it down with a protein shake?

Would you recommend taking it before or after workout or does it not react that quickly? I got taking it in the morning, but should I take it before or after my workout or maybe right before bed to keep blood levels constant?

Edwitt, you the man, I appreciate your help.


Got a scale on the way. .001 x20, I elected to go that way instead of .01 because with .01 there would be a certain error threshold. Meaning I think I could be putting 84mg and the scale read .08 or maybe it doesn't round up so the error threshold goes to .009 so I could be getting 89mg and it still read .08 (this is worse case scenario). But at .001, I will be able to measure it and never does over 80, maybe close to 81 at worse. That I can deal with. Just a thought and I got it for around 25 including international shipping.

 

[Pipes]

sub'd!

 

[morry]

sub'd!

Welcome bro, hold on for the ride!!!!

 

[thundergod]

Do you have to grind it up like that? I'm so new to this I feel dumb asking, but why can't you just swallow the var? And why the filler? Are you saying actually take it and shake it in a bag with protein and then making a shake? Why can't I just take it like Bayer and swallow it down with a protein shake?

Would you recommend taking it before or after workout or does it not react that quickly? I got taking it in the morning, but should I take it before or after my workout or maybe right before bed to keep blood levels constant?

Edwitt, you the man, I appreciate your help.

Ed was talking about capping the Var. You would grind the Var with a pestle and mortar and add whey protein powder to the mix and shake it all up in a baggie to thoroughly incorporate the Var into the whey powder. Then you would cap it.
Then take 1 cap in the morning and another cap in the evenings.

Creatine would also work for a filler.

 

[morry]

Day 9

Weight
still unknown bc of the weather, read last post as to why

Chest/ Abs today

Workout was perfect. Added sets and weight to a couple of exercises. Abs felt very, very strong and chest.....ha. It was a joke. I'd train to failure, lock out, breath 3 times and get one more rep. AMAZING crap. I haven't been able to do that since orginal M1T/4AD combo and that was at the peak of that cycle. I'm 9 days in. HA HA HA HA, this is going to a hell of a lot better. Right shoulder had a deep burn going, but I kept stretching between supersets and it seemed fine. I did lighten up incline bc of this though. I know my body pretty well and I've pulled my shoulder before. This was a "good" burn, but borderline. Feels perfect now. Since I've incorporated reverse grip bench, my clap push ups have suffered, but overall I've added 4 full sets to chest, so I'll take it (I was working up to this and achieved it before I started my cycle). I also added 3 sets of decline, light to failure. I only did this bc when I was done, I wasn't "done". I'm still full of energy, but I won't overdo it as of now. I train 6 days a week, last thing I need is a freaking injury.


I did start HCG today, but I have an update regarding the reconstitution. I wasn't able to add 10 ml of BA water (BA water has .09% perservative [alcohol] as recommended), bc the vial wouldn't hold all that fluid. So I cooled the BA water in the fridge and got it ready. Then I took one of my 25 gauge 3 ml pins, filled it (i full time then another 3rd for a total of 4ml) and put it in the vial with the HCG. When you do this HOLD THE PLUNGER, there is a vacuum in there and the BA water will be sucked into the vial quickly. I don't think this is terrible if it happens, but as a general rule with all peptides, push the needle in at a 45 degree angle and slowly drip the water down the side, then mix the bottle around gently once complete all the fluid is inside. So I got all 4 ml in there, mixed it (it disolved much easier than the IGF LR3 I've used, i don't remember how the PEG mGF disolved, but I don't remember it being an issue) meaning for 250iu's using a 1ml, 29 g slin, I'd pull up 20 units to get 250 IUs. Make sense? Pinned next to the belly button and I remember how easy slins are now. So, so easy. But then again, pinning test is easier overall than most of the orals on the market IMO.

Time to make a huge dinner........hmmmmmm....chicken.....

Morry

 

[morry]

Day 10

Weight
Same as before, I'm pretty sure I'll make it to my place tomorrow, they are saying roads should be better tomorrow....we'll see

Back/Shoulders

Workout was very good, but not as good as yesterday. My energy wasn't where I it was yesterday. I still added weight and a set, but it took me longer than I expected to complete th workout. I slept the same, I even woke up at 645am and hit some protein and carbs bc I woke up with that starving feeling, not really sure. This isn't to say he workout wasn't power filled bc it was. I felt strong, I just had to rest a little more than normal. Deads were 135x15, 250x12, 345x10, 345x7 (almost 8), 345x6, so things are moving the right direction. I'm thinking one more week and I'll get a little more consistency in my energy levels while I workout. Energy throughout the day seems normal, libido is up, mood is good, so who knows.

My WPI came today (not sure how FedEx got it here but they did, god bless those guys), so I got 45 lbs of WPI. Protein never has been an issue but being on cycle with that much protein on hand.....it's a good feeling. I like having everything I could possibly need while on cycle.

Nothing else new to report. Start the 3 day split over again, but remember, this split includes widow makers (instead of heavy squats) and high rep, low weight deads with focus on the 1/3 to 2/3 range of movement. This helped last week and I'm hoping eases the stress on my CNS. Overall, I feel I'm recovering very, very well. My shoulder didn't even begin to hurt from the burn I had yesterday. I'm sore all over, but a good sore.

Lastly, I'll be pinning 2mls tomorrow in the right quad. The left quad was a little sore as expected but this yesterday was the first time I ever pinned 2 mls in that quad. I will also be changing HCG days to days I'm NOT pinning Test. I read a study that suggested pinning HCG on the opposite days you pin test. Don't remember why, but it's easy enough to include this practice. So I'll be pinning HCG friday after workout, then sat will be 1 ml test p so on and so forth.....


Morry

 

[B5150]

Ed was talking about capping the Var. You would grind the Var with a pestle and mortar and add whey protein powder to the mix and shake it all up in a baggie to thoroughly incorporate the Var into the whey powder. Then you would cap it.
Then take 1 cap in the morning and another cap in the evenings.

Creatine would also work for a filler.

"Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles."

Creatine is the recommended complement to Anavar - 5-10g/d

 

[morry]

Are you still on test only? Is that what you think is giving you the boost?

It's a combination of to things IMO. I'm on Test p and e, test p EOD 100mg making tomorrow 1600mg total 600mg test p and 1000mg test e in 9 days (test e is twice a week, 250mgs)
The second is, I was coming off a cut when I started bc I had gotten fat due to some personal crap, I was still pretty stong, but cutting as hard as I did, I lost some strength. Now my cals are back and I'm use a short ester test. My skin was a little oily before I started cycle and that had just begun in the last two weeks of my cycle leting me know I had been working out hard enough and eating right that I had my test back in good shape (or maybe there is another explanation, but moods was back in order, libido and all [my last thread on this explains what happened]).

I think the next 3 weeks before the Var should really, really interesting and will add some agression to my workouts. I'm posting pics every week so we'll see. I'm not after a ton of size, I would like "keepable" gains, I know I'll lose some regardless, but I would like to find the intensity and correct diet to maintain say 80% of what I'm able to gain without slamming on tons and tons of fat. I don't think I will, but I'll be keeping a close eye on things.

 

[morry]

"Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles."

Creatine is the recommended complement to Anavar - 5-10g/d

Perfect. Exactly what I was wondering.

GFJ has been suggested too. Would taking the Var, 5 grams monohydrate, and 6-8 oz GFJ be the perfect way to do this? I'm not trying to sound dumb, but I'm pretty sure you aren't suppose to take creatine with OJ, but I don't know about GFJ? Miser, you have any idea? Can I just take those three together, once in the morning upon awakening and once at night before bed?

 

[B5150]

Perfect. Exactly what I was wondering.

GFJ has been suggested too. Would taking the Var, 5 grams monohydrate, and 6-8 oz GFJ be the perfect way to do this? I'm not trying to sound dumb, but I'm pretty sure you aren't suppose to take creatine with OJ, but I don't know about GFJ? Miser, you have any idea? Can I just take those three together, once in the morning upon awakening and once at night before bed?

If you are considering the GFJ for more bioavailability of the anavar, I personally don't really by into the hype. It a methylated hormone that is already ~99% bioavalable on it's own. The half life issues IMHO is overrated.

I'm unsure about the OJ and creatine being counterproductive. I don't drink either so I would never know.

I can't say I know any benefit of all three but do know that the anavar and creatine are recommended. I would consider adding ALA as ALA is know to be quite synergistic with creatine as it helps shuttle creatine into muscle. I imagine it would make for quite a synergy. Anavar, creatine, ALA and grapejuice :thumbsup:

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[thundergod]

"Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles."

Creatine is the recommended complement to Anavar - 5-10g/d

True. But there's no way he would be getting 5 to 10 grams of Creatine just from using it as a filler for his Var caps. :icon_lol:

I'm sure that morry is taking creatine though.

 

[morry]

True. But there's no way he would be getting 5 to 10 grams of Creatine just from using it as a filler for his Var caps. :icon_lol:

I'm sure that morry is taking creatine though.

ATP Creatine Evolution is what I'm taking, but I only take about 3 grams sometimes before workout, sometime after. I just toss the poweder in my mouth and swallow it down with some water. Chase it with a little protein shake.
I'm not sure I'll buy this brand again. I really didn't see any advantage having ribose in there. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm certain my next will be just good old monohydrate. I should've just gotten a frap load of that instead of this mix that I have (although it does taste interesting and interesting good, not bad).

 

[morry]

Damn good thread. I like the pics every week idea. Keep it up!!

Thanks bro, I intend to!

 

[B5150]

True. But there's no way he would be getting 5 to 10 grams of Creatine just from using it as a filler for his Var caps. :icon_lol:

Of course not...:sigh1:

 

[SouthernCharm]

Creatine + Anavar + ALA.... making mental note..

 

[morry]

Of course not...:sigh1:

Right, right, so I'm thinking the following. Anavar 40 mg (until I go to 50) + GFJ + ALA (already take this every morning) along with my morning protein shake, then
pre workout, 40 mgs Anavar + Creatine (5 grams, never saw any difference using 10 over 5) + ALA
That should do it. ALA is also an insulin mimetic if I remember correctly, but at the doses I'm taking it at I doubt it will have much effect on the ability to create an insulin response and with it being a mimetic, I won't get the secondary insulin response as I would with actual sugars (complex or otherwise and no I would not like to digress into a carb debate). This would seem optimal IMO bc a biphasic insulin response could halt fat burning during a workout (not completely, but more so) while a mimetic gives me the best of both worlds right before I workout.

So taking Anavar first thing in the morning is decided and now I think I've decided right before my workout as well (to incorporate creatine at the appropriate time as well without creating a notable insulin response with ALA). Right before bed just doesn't seem like it is going to be "as" effective. Albeit, both will yeild results, but I'm squeezing pennies to nickles here.


Morry

 

[morry]

Day 11

Weight
209 (-3 from original weigh in). WENT TO MY PLACE, GOT MY SCALE.....YIPPIE!!!

Legs / Arms

Widow makers today and effin a they burnt so good. I got a weird feeling in my right leg after I finished my squats (5 sets plus warm up) and I could feel it a little when I did leg extensions and surprisingly a little when i was doing chin ups. Didn't really feel like a pinched nerve (bc the pain wasn't sharp enough or long enough), but maybe. My lower back has been sore (not pulled sore, but like I did a good set of DLs or good mornings) and I've been getting back pumps even tho I'm on taurine but few and far between. If this keeps up, I'm switching both squats and deads to lower weight, slow movements through the rep, and high reps until I feel things return to normal. I'll do this on both 3 day back to back splits until it subsides. This 3 day, I will do light deads too, so I won't know for sure till next week. I'll keep a close eye on things. Muscles look fuller and vascularity is up slightly. Mood is still good overall. I spent over an hour out in the snow with my nephews sledding and tossing snow at them and my energy levels weren't even a thought. I didn't think they would be, I stay in pretty good shape, but I'm trying to document as much of my cycle experience as possible. I came back ina, ran some errands and hit the weights for an hour solid, no slowing down....

I did pin 2 ml this morning. Leg is a little stiff as expected, but I'm so used to it now, I don't really pay that much attention to it. HCG again tomorrow.

Since it did come up in a previous post, I'll list my daily vitamins. Multi, fish oil (8-9 grams), ALA, creatine, BCAA's, Hawthorne berries, Milk thistle, calcium, taurine (w/b6), and maybe one other thing I can't think of right now. But I take these everyday without fail.
My diet is in some of my previous threads.

I should be ordering my anavar tomorrow. I'm planning on starting it the 31st if things go as planned (and I hope for my sake it does). I may start anavar one week early bc I'll have enough to do so, but that all depends on my source......
Scale should be here next week, so that should be it for everything else. Then I finish ordering my the rest of my PCT (I already have half of it, AI, Osta, Nolva) at the end of this month (CJC 1295 DAC, Exemstane (or forma), bulbine natilus (or however it is spelled), and HCgenerate.

I'm going to go ahead and just say that I started at 212 and that had to be some water weight, so I was prob at 209 (taking the average bc the next day i was 206, so 209 seems like a good comprimise). I say that, bc here on out, I'll reference my plus and minus notation relative to the starting weight of 209 unless somebody has a better more sound way of dealing with starting slightly bloated. Plus the pics each week will help detemine body composition.


Any questions so far? You guys still following along? Should I post less info or is this stuff helping anybody? I can cut some of it out if most would like me to, just let me know.


Morry

 

[edwitt]

True. But there's no way he would be getting 5 to 10 grams of Creatine just from using it as a filler for his Var caps. :icon_lol:

I'm sure that morry is taking creatine though.

Y

If ur using creatine as a filler it will negligible compared the the 10g u should be taking

OOPS DISREGARD MY BAD

 

[mich29]

still following bro keep up the work

 

[thundergod]

Y

If ur using creatine as a filler it will negligible compared the the 10g u should be taking

OOPS DISREGARD MY BAD

Yeah......I was just being my usual sarcastic but witty self.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.......:stooges:

 

[morry]

Yeah......I was just being my usual sarcastic but witty self.

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.......:stooges:

Yup, agreed, looks like creatine and GFJ is the way to go. I'll give it a go. My anavar is on the way (I should have enough for this cycle and next.....depends on how greedy I get).

Today is chest day, then HCG after I workout. Subq, nothing exciting, plain ole HCG.

I'm off to workout, will post when complete.

 

[SouthernCharm]

Hope the legs ok bro...

 

[morry]

Hope the legs ok bro...

Leg(s) felt good today, I'm keepin an eye on it. Preciate that. Next weeks deads will tell. Today is light deads so I don't think I'll put much of a strain on it.

I got home at 3am last night, logged in and recorded my day, but when I login today, my post is gone.....huh.....maybe I'm crazy. So here it is again

Day 12 (yesterday)
Weight 208 (+2)

Ab Chest

I was able to go pretty heavy on bench and my shoulder started burning again. Not a bad burn, but I know my body pretty well. IMO it was close, but I lightened up my next sets and my shoulder burned, but thier wasn't any long lasting pain (just that deep burn that even when your arms are at your sides it feels like they are going to just fall off). I was able to raise weight on my reverse grip bench and I added a rep to heavy sets of bench. I was able to complete the entire workout and add 3 sets, so I'd say overall it was a good workout. Energy was high and mood was good. I'm def able to squeeze one past failure on any set barring when I felt like the burn in my shoulder might lead to an injury.

Pinned HCG.....way too easy like before. Missed slins, but I'm loving pinnin me some test.

I had a friend of mine telling me a story yesterday how they almost had an altercation with another man on the subway bc he accidently bumped into him. Long story be careful who you are talking crap to anywhere, they might be on 1g of test and maybe some tren every week. Unless of course, you are on 1g of test yourself, then all yo gotta worrry about is not ripping the other persons head off.....funny story and it kept me laughing. It ended with my friend basically telling this prick he bettr go sit down before he gets hurt. Obviously the mistaken gentleman took his seat and was quiet.

Sorry about being a day late, but I swear I logged early this morning, but somehow I must have not posted what I wrote....go figure.

I'm about to go pin 1 ml prop and today is Back and Shoulder day, already ate breakfast and I'm just chillin out for the time being.

No sides to speak of. I've taken my BP about 4 times, always in good ranges. Heart rate is good. Skin isn't any more oily as of yet (although I am religious about washing my face......I know, I'm a girl, eff you). Quads are a little sore at inject site, but that is to be expected and honestly I can't tell the difference between them being sore from squats or pinning. Well, maybe a little, but I've gotten where I don't pay much attention to it.

Morry

 

[schwellington]

yuh still up in this bish


damnit bobby, i cant get my bench up past 260, but if i can keep it there and lean out a good 5% Bf or more im happy

5% bf is alot


im having high hopes of 2% a month for 8% total


morry keep destroying it

 

[SouthernCharm]

I cant tell the difference between workout soreness or pinning on my quads either. I pin on monday, and hit squats on monday... So I just pin the same day and the next day I cant tell which soreness its from cuz I plan it like that lol.. QUAD SHOTS FTW!

if your shoulder hurts on flat bench, get someone to take a video of you benching. one thing is thinking your form is 100%, and then its another to watch yourself afterwards just to make sure. Everyone here is their own worst critic, but on lifts like that its not until we see it from another's perspective that we can really tell.

 

[morry]

Day 13

Weight 215 (gotta be some water in that one as I drank like a horse today, but still up +9 [maybe 3 "real" lbs]).

Back / Shoulders
Workout went pretty smooth till the end. I do a half clean combined with military press (basically holding the bar like I'm going 2 shrug it but instead I jerk the bar up like a clean, then press is) atthe end of my workout to failure. 2nd to lastset and my upper right back muscle seized. Not so tight I couldn't move my kneck but enough to limit my movement. Thank god this only cost me 3 sets bc I stopped as soon as I felt it. I've felt this pull before and considering it wasn't heavy DL day, only light, I'm going 2 go ahead and assume I'm not giving my body enough rest. I've had this happen before and when I pull a muscle in my back, have a burning shoulder,and a dull ache in the legs.....overtraining. Ill continue my 3 day split, but instead of 2 back to back, ill run 3 miles @ an easy pace in between all 3day splits adding one extra day of active recovery. Updated pics on Monday, tomorrow was just cardio anyhow and ill stick to that. My back could us the extra blood flow. As I type I have a kneading pillow working that knot out. I already took naproxen, so I should be gtg by monday. Ill decide then if ill keep squats and deads light. It will depend mostly on my back muscles. Ill listen to them and react accordingly.

Pinned 1ml test p in the left quad. My quads aren't even really sore. And my left isn't sore from the pin @ all.

Vascularity is up a bit and my muscles are looking fuller. I'm sure this is my body loading up on glycogen and water. Strength is coming along, ill let u guys decide on the aesthetics when I post pics monday.

I slept a lot today. That mayhave contributed to me pulling a muscle bc my nutrition suffered a bit. I missed a meal bc I was sleeping & when I worked out it was too close to workout time to load up on 800 cals +, so I hit me a quick WPI shake, waited 10 min, hit up 10 grams BCAAs and started to workout. Ill need to be more careful and on days I sleep more, ill need to set my alarm to get up and at least pound a shake, but preferably get some fruits and veggies along with the protein.

I'm guessing in a weeks time it will be much harder to explain why I look bigger, but eff it, I'm using ye old creatine and diet excuse. Plus everybody I know, knows I have this thing about fitness.

No pinning 2morrow, just cardio.


Morry

 

[edwitt]

When people ask me how I blow up so fast, I show them how much I am eating and they usually stop asking questions. We eat like mad men while on so use that as the reason. Then I complain how expensive it is to eat so much to put the idea in their head as to why everyone doesn't do it. Works for me.

Tell them its "family genetics you should see my grandma" :aargh:

 

[morry]

I cant tell the difference between workout soreness or pinning on my quads either. I pin on monday, and hit squats on monday... So I just pin the same day and the next day I cant tell which soreness its from cuz I plan it like that lol.. QUAD SHOTS FTW!

if your shoulder hurts on flat bench, get someone to take a video of you benching. one thing is thinking your form is 100%, and then its another to watch yourself afterwards just to make sure. Everyone here is their own worst critic, but on lifts like that its not until we see it from another's perspective that we can really tell.

Good idea with the video! I workout alone so I'll have to figure something out. I used to get my little brother to get soem videos of me squating ad dead lifting so I cold look at form. This is no longer an option as he is not longer with us. I will figure out somebody to drag into my battle arena and snag a video. You may be right and probably are. Maybe I've just gotten so comfortable, I am doing something different and not noticing but through shoulder pain. I'm hoping it's just my shoulder playing catch, but somehow I doubt that is all it is.

Pinning on squat or DL day is perfect! I agree and I think with all that extra blood going into that muscle, it really helps with it being sore (besides not being able to tell the difference between sore from squats or deads than sore from a pin. LOL

 

[morry]

Morry, read your story about the guy bumping into somebody. Weird thing is, I always feel calmer on test. Much calmer. I don't care what happens, I'm always happy and don't want to fight to save my life. Off test, I am more aggressive and willing to fight. That is why I think "roid rage" is bogus. Some MAY experience it, but I think the media blows it out of proportion ! Stupid media.

Roid rage is a hype and false. Ever watch "Bigger, stonger, faster" ? There is a guy in there whose kid committed suicide. The kid was a big time baseball player (highschool) and was on some sort of roids (the didn't specify). So his dad decides (and from the interview this moron realy believes this) that the roids caused his kid to commit suice (or the stopping thereof). Now, what about the Prozac (or whichever) the kid was on? He was in the age group of kids that some anti depressant cause thoughts of suicide. So blame the roids (where there are no studies indicating these led to a person's suicide) or the antidepressants that HAVE BEEN proven to cause thoughts of suicide. Right.....the roids.....obsiously.

So I hear ya bro and I'm with you on the test agression too. I haven't noticed myself any more agressive, but admitedly I was already the guy that didn't and doesn't have a problem telling an individual to eff off, to thier face. Just about every time though, the person understands how upset I am and decides that them effing themselves is a much better option than making me **** myself.....ha ha.
I'm still surprised, no real sides to speak of, now if I could just get the knot out of my back......damint!!!

 

[morry]

When people ask me how I blow up so fast, I show them how much I am eating and they usually stop asking questions. We eat like mad men while on so use that as the reason. Then I complain how expensive it is to eat so much to put the idea in their head as to why everyone doesn't do it. Works for me.

Tell them its "family genetics you should see my grandma" :aargh:

LMFAO! My grandma is huge. I emply her as my part time body gurad for when I go out to the club. Her vascularity alone runs off any trouble. Good idea Eddie.
Some dude told her they were going to break her hip.......awwww snap, she fockin choke slammed a muthafocka....

 

[morry]

Day 14

Weight 211 (+5)

Cardio only. 500 cals, a little over 3 miles, moderate pace. No pain out of my back while running, but other activities my movement was limited. We'll see how it feels in the morning.
If I have to back the intesity off, I will modify my workout routine (higher/slower reps), incorporate more cardio and move forwards. This little knotted muscle is not effing up my cycle.

Diet continues to stay in line, cals are up, but everything is healthy. Pics tomorrow so if I'm fattening up, we'll figure it out...

Pin 2ml tomorrow right quad, 1 ml test p, 1 ml test e, only 15 more days of test p, so I'm half way done taking it. Anavar starts after I stop the test p. Test e will continue as is.


Morry

 

[thundergod]

If I have to back the intesity off, I will modify my workout routine (higher/slower reps), incorporate more cardio and move forwards. This little knotted muscle is not effing up my cycle.

Morry

Where exactly is this knotted up muscle located? :scratchchin:

 

[morry]

I put an arrow on the PDF for where the pain is, but the knot itself is closer to the outside of the back over the middle part of the shoulder blade. It doesn't hurt very badly at all. I have to turn my kneck pretty far to even feel the pain. Then again, I have spent probably 2 or 3 hours with a kneading pillow and AFTER workouts, I'll take Naproxen, plus nice hot showers on it. I do take some naproxen in the morning when I have a pulled muscle, but that is about 9 hours before I workout. I avoid taking anti inflamatories before working out because if I feel pain then, I need to, I may be really hurting myself and the NSAID could mask it (much like my run I describe below). Otherwise, I do not take naproxen or anything else like that.

To top things off, I've been taking NSAID and I ran yesterday but apparently something got off on my knee. I wake up last night to take a whiz and my knee is hurting badly. I move the knee cap and the pain is intense. Only on my left knee, right side. While I sit at my desk it is fine. I've obviously just strained a tendon. I haven't decided whether I'll take the whole day off. I may switch my days up and go ahead and do chest and abs to day as not to aggrevate the knee, but I'll have to watch the weight on bench because my back too.
I'm starting to think I sound like a wuss. I originally only wanted "real" documentation for my cycle, but there seems to be something new happening indicating my body talking to me more everyday. I may just take the day off. My body is obviously saying for me to lower the stress I'm putting on it.
I wish my body and I could just have a sit down talk where I agree to stop pushing the hell out of it and it agrees to stop allowing me to tweak muscles/tendons here and there.
I'll also spend extra time stretching just bc I don't think it'll hurt. We'll see how things pan out....


Morry

 

[thundergod]

Man, my body talks to me all the time!! ha ha I've been at this for over 27 years now. Heavy lifting does take a toll on the body. I've pulled, sprained, and strained almost every muscle there is. LMAO

I've even strained that very same area of the back that you're experiencing. Both sides as a matter of fact. I strained the left back/shoulder blade area years ago while doing heavy overhead barbell presses. Imagine that.
Then I strained the right side a few months back. Don't even know what set that one off!!

I have the goddess (my wife) do deep-tissue massage on the area. This helps the most. I've also used emu oil on the area for relief.
And you're right about the stretching........it helps tremendously.

You're not a wuss brother, you're a warrior. This is all part and parcel of the battle!!!

No Pain........No Gain!! :aargh:

 

[morry]

Man, my body talks to me all the time!! ha ha I've been at this for over 27 years now. Heavy lifting does take a toll on the body. I've pulled, sprained, and strained almost every muscle there is. LMAO

I've even strained that very same area of the back that you're experiencing. Both sides as a matter of fact. I strained the left back/shoulder blade area years ago while doing heavy overhead barbell presses. Imagine that.
Then I strained the right side a few months back. Don't even know what set that one off!!

I have the goddess (my wife) do deep-tissue massage on the area. This helps the most. I've also used emu oil on the area for relief.
And you're right about the stretching........it helps tremendously.

You're not a wuss brother, you're a warrior. This is all part and parcel of the battle!!!

No Pain........No Gain!! :aargh:

Thundergod, you've always got something solid to say and I appreciate that. Having a veteran following along giving me some pointers along the way has really helped me. Thank you very, very much.

Well said bro and thank you for the encouragement. I will forge on, no doubt. While I'm at lunch I'll grab an ice pack and keep my knee iced, 30 on 30 off for the last part of the day. I will do chest/abs today instead of legs. I've done just weightless squats (this morning in our "extra" room) and the positive movement up makes my knee hurt, so not today. Some serious icing and taking NSAID, I'm hoping I'll at least be able to do light set with legs tomorrow. Even if I limit the range of movement in squats and leg extensions, I should be good by tomorrow. If not, maybe back/shoulder, or I'll just take the entire day off (although I hate doing nothing relative to fitness in a day, makes me feel lazy).

Avavar is said to have healing capabliities as well and I start that at 80mgs ED in 13 or 14 days. I'll add rest days, relax the running, lower the weight, but still burn the crap out of my muscles and we'll see. I'll post pics later tonight after chest/abs.


TG, thanks again....and it won't let me rep you right now......****!!!!

 

[morry]

Day 15

Wieght 210 (+4)

Chest Abs

Not sure if the test e is starting to mound up enough where I'm getting some use out of it or not, but my workout was def more concentrated and intense.
I was able to move weight up on all lifts. Mood is good, my back being a little tight and my knee being off didn't really hurt my workout today. Some extra stratching and I was gtg.

I did move today to chest and abs, but at almost 3am I can say my knee doesn't hurt right now. I iced it on and off for 4 hours today. I'll do the same tomorrow.

Pinned 2 ml right quad. Little stiff, but normal. Still no problems pinning. Every once and a while I will get some blood that comes back out of the pin site, but it is purely surface and doesn't leave a bruise. Everything is cruising along. If my leg will cooperate, I will do legs and arms tomorrow, then move on to back and shoulders to complete the split.

I feel sorta dumb having pulled something in my knee WHILE ON CYCLE WHILE RUNNING, not lifting but running. I learned a valauble lesson from that crap. I can push myself to the limits of hurting myself while on cycle pretty easy, so I have to be more careful, just because it doesn't hurt right that second, doesn't mean it won't. Plus, if I'm going to pull anything, I better do it lifting. I'm kidding, but this did cross my mind. Effing running.......I love to, but I felt like I could destroy some miles yesterday so I put the incline up to 5 and ran at 10mph for as long as I could (which at the end of my run wasn't very long at all), and I'm sure this is when I hit something too hard and hurt my knee. My gait got sloppy and I was heel pounding to keep up. bear in mind I run in vibrams or bearfoot, so heal striking not only is a big no, no, but can lead to much larger problems than just a pulled knee or tendon or whatever.....

Pics as promised

 

[thundergod]

Well done morry!! That Prop is packing the mass on yo ass!! Arms, delts, and pecs look swollen dude. Nice.

Keep Smashin' Dat Iron!!!!:aargh:

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[morry]

WTF!?!? What are you doing? I'm on my 3rd week and don't look any different! You're blowing up though!!! This pisses me off. Lol. I can't believe this. Dude, you're gonna be huge!!!

I hope so. I'm just eating right and training hard. Very, very hard. Dunno. Maybe I react well to test....more weeks will tell. I haven't hit any PR's as of yet. I'm expecting to start killing those by week 5 or 6, maybe a little later.

Well done morry!! That Prop is packing the mass on yo ass!! Arms, delts, and pecs look swollen dude. Nice.

Keep Smashin' Dat Iron!!!!:aargh:

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Appreciate that TG, I'll be doin that.

Knee still feels pretty good this morning. If I can do weightless squats at lunch, I'll do legs today. I'lll prob stick to widow makers over heavy squats to avoid the weight and extra stress on my knee. Not sure about leg extensions, I may do these really light today too. I'll just see how things go through-out the day.

 

[MrBigPR]

Forget about PR's during cycle, just focus at lifting heavy ass weight and bin completely in control.

Eat, train and sleep...the muscle will come. PR's don't bring muscle, just injury (Alot of the time)

 

[morry]

Forget about PR's during cycle, just focus at lifting heavy ass weight and bin completely in control.

Eat, train and sleep...the muscle will come. PR's don't bring muscle, just injury (Alot of the time)

Agreed. They are always encouraging, but pushing yourself too hard can def lead to injury. I think I'll be smashing PRs & keeping perfect form. It will just take time. I'm don't think I'm rushing it, but right now I'm riding on some muscle memory, I'd like the size to come with the strength. For me, though, I have noticed I get stronger first, then size comes. I can't wait.....

Thanks for the read and if you guys have any questions about the cycle, go for it.


Morry

 

[schwellington]

OMG YUH YOU GROWIN YUH

 

[morry]

Morry, hOw often do you do cardio? What's your calorie intake? Man, i wish I could do what you're doing.

Good question. This was in my very first post on AM (just in case you notice the copy and paste).

I currently do a 3 day split and take a day off (on the day off, I will run around 3 or 4 miles straight at a 6.0mph pace with 5 min warm-up and cool-down, but I don't always run this now).
I did cardio everyday to the tune of 2-4 miles but quit because my gains stopped and now only do cardio around 4 times a month if that.
My split is a strange one that I created (or stole it and don't remember where so I'm crediting myself for the time being), but it works well and it sheds fat like crazy, super-sets and circuits (this ends up being my cardio, but the cardio I mentioned above I'm speaking of running, not super-setting, but this is why I only "run" 4 times a month) two muscle groups with slight overlay, goes like this, Back/shoulders-Chest/abs-Legs/arms (Back and legs HAVE to be split up bc the strain on my lower back and needed recovery time because I do deadlifts and then squats on those individual days).
I modified this slightly and just rotate the splits from heavy low reps to light high reps back and forth for the back/shoulder and legs/arms day. I only lift light on chest day if my shoulder is bothering me otherwise it is heavy.

I do hit plateaus, but I've been working out long enough, I just switch stuff up in my routine and break through it, for instance, I'll slow reps down, cycle heavy to light, change my days around, or something like that and eventually I'll push through the strength plateua.

Circuits and super sets do set you back at first IMO. You can't lift as much and it takes a while to be able to complete 30-33 complete sets in about 1 hour to 1.25 hours. Once you get through the conditioning portion of this, you'll be happy you moved this direction bc you can cut out most or all of your cardio (at least I could). Do you get a "stich" in your side while you lift weights? Are you breathing that hard? If you aren't, push yourself harder, close in the time you are using to rest and make your muscles respond. If you want I can document an entire heavy and light split as far as what I lift, how many times and what exercises to give you a better idea.

My diet looks like this,
1st meal
I eat .5 cups of Go Lean cereal every morning and for the "milk" I use 35 grams whey protein isolate and water blended until it is thicker (about 6 oz of water), then two eggs with 1/4 green pepper and 1/8 onion.

2nd Meal
bannana or nothing, depending on my hunger

3rd meal
Salad with 1.5 cups iceburg, 1/4 green pepper, 1/4 cucumber, .5 cup homemade ranch (ricotta cheese with a ranch packet and some water, I do this instead of cottage cheese becasue the sodium content), 1 can chicken (64 grams protein, washed, I take the sodium out this way), 1 carrot peeled and cut up, and 2 tbls southwest spicy mustard (has no real caloric benefit, just taste good).
The only variation here is sometime (depending on how close shelf life of the fresh chicken is), I'll cook a large chicken breast and cut it up instead of the canned chicken and I'll toss down 25 gram WPI with water.

4rd meal
Same as 2nd, but honestly, usually nothing

5th Meal
Pre Workout, 25 grams WPI, 5 grams BCAA, creatine, white flood

6th meal
Post Workout, 50 grams WPI, 40 grams oats, 5 grams BCAA's (sometimes the WPI is drank in two time periods, half immediately post workout, then about 30-45 min later I drink the rest. I don't always do this, but if I have time

7th meal
I just started having this meal again now that I've gotten some size back (this meal was ommitted during my cut before my cycle). It's my whole food meal after working out. Usually a med size chicken breast, 1/8 onion, 1/4 green pepper, 2 slices turkey bacon (low sodium) and I top it with the same ranch as I use for lunch

8th meal
Greek yogurt, but I buy the vanilla flavor and take one of the flavors of WPI i have and mix in a scoop. It makes it the consistency of icing, has about 8 grams of sucrose/fructose and 35-45 grams protein, of which about 10 is slow digesting protein. I consider this my "cheat" part of the day

I drink at least a gallon and a half of water a day if not more.

I have an office job. I sit on my ass for about 8 hours a day. GREAT for recovery.....but when I had a more active job where I was on my feet all the time, I just ate more, now I don't get that luxury. Being a little older and sitting on my ass, I just watch what I eat

I can up cals more, but for now, I'll keep it where I'm at. I'm still making solid gains and shedding fat, so I'm in a sweet spot. In a couple more weeks I'll have to start eating some more to keep my gains coming and slow the fat loss. You can't have one without the other IMO. But for me specifically, meal 4 and 6 I can add 25 grams WPI blended with a bannana and water (instead of just a bananna) and that will add 550 cals or so by itself and add 50 grams protein to my macros (putting me hella close to 300). I won't make that adjustment now, but as things progress I imagine some modifications will be neccesary.

I do cheat once a week, but it isn't that bad of a cheat. I don't ever go overboard and eat fast food or anything greasy and nasty. I cook almost every bit of what I eat.....if I do go out, it's grilled stuff with maybe an occasional light fried peice of fish or some shrimp. Something like that. Doesn't mean I'm ordering dessert or a coke. I drink nothing but water....almost all the time. I do have a couple glasses of red wine once a week or so. This hasn't hindered my gains, but anything over a few glasses and I can tell the next workout, so I keep it to a min.

I hope this helps....



Morry