KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)
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Aaelael
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Kleen its been a minute brutha but i'm all finished and getting back into the swing of things. . . trying to regulate the amount of carbs ingested after my show. . .hahah i'm like a machine. . .the off switch isn't working so i have to mentally tell myself enough! haha. . .its kind of fun. . .but at the same time 11lbs 3 days. . .thats a record for me. . .time to hit it hard like you :fing02: Nice log and a great work. . . I'm glad i could help a fellow AM friend out!
DreamWeaver
Legend
How did you do at you'r show...
Aaelael
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With out hijacking. . .I took second place. . .was upset but my tan was off soooo. .. live and learn and will use it to SMASH SOME SERIOUS WEIGHT GAINAGE BRUTHA!!! Booo yaa!!!
danieltx13
Member
Pro wrestler Chris Jericho actually trains similar to this. Here's a link Invalid Link Removed.
FlexW99
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What organization and weight class holmes? Congrats on 2nd place..no shame there foo!
MrKleen73
Legend
Thanks G! Was a blast I am very sore right now too, just took a day you know you hear people say that keeping the body from swinging uses a lot of stabilizer muscle. Well let me tell you I know about it today. My abs and obliuques are sore. I arch my back slightly but because my chin bar is only arms length above my head I have to hold my legs up a little just doing that for 100 reps if chins was enough to make my entire abdominal region sore.
Definitely Man it has been much appreciated and I would say a successful PCT for sure. I have lost some size but not much. I will get a picture and a final review up on Saturday or Sunday.
No such thing in my thread Sir and a good announcement from a friend is ALWAYS WELCOME!
I went and looked at that I understand why he is training that way. I also understand why he has been the same size for about 10 years now. That is conditioning training for him not muscle building training. There is a big difference in the amount of resistance used between his and mine. I woulbe be attemting bench for 100 at say 205 as opposed to 95 lbs for 100. My rests each minute give me the ability to go heavier but as you can see he also trains multiple body parts in a day with that training. Would be a great conditioning program for sure. THose guys have to stay n great condition to perform in the manner they do.
No doubt! Second place is definitely no slouch but I understand him too. It wasn't first. More motivation right David, just a little more fuel for that fire.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah we have to learn by our mistakes and take the positive spin, it can be all about winning and losing, just getting into shape and on stage is a winning effort. In the end were you satisfied with your effort and the result is how you look, not how you look compared to others. Winning has just as much to do with who shows up as it does about you showing up. All you can do is show up with your best game.
SouthernCharm
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NIIIIICEEEEE post buddy! :cheers:
SouthernCharm
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Interesting.... Maybe wanting extra carbs to keep full gains? I dunno..
DreamWeaver
Legend
Thanks guys, hey this sport is so much more fun now that I've learned that... :cheers:
MrKleen73
Legend
Winning is awesome but looking like you deserve to be up there on stage is the most important thing. You are putting yourself in the top .05% percent of physiques in the world by being competition ready so you have already won! Where you fall in the spectrum of the top .05% should never take away from the fact you are already almost supernaturally beyond the rest of the work regarding physique.
What I don't enjoy is seeing guys on stage that really just don't have any reason to be there. It looks shameful and embarrassing.
What I don't enjoy is seeing guys on stage that really just don't have any reason to be there. It looks shameful and embarrassing.
FlexW99
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Agree 100%, when my time comes, its because of self-satisfaction and brotherhood, the only reason I do it.
thundergod
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Yes and yes. I have an opinion and I have used Max-LMG before. You should grab you one of the Tren clones left around and run it alongside the Max-LMG. Both are non-methylated and the Max-LMG is a wet compound and the Tren is a dry compound. Perfect combination!!! :head:
thundergod
Well-known member
Don't be overly concerned with what the scale says. Pay more attention to the mirror. You are building some lean mass while you're dropping bodyfat. That's all. And it's all good!! :woohoo:
MrBigPR
NutraPlanet Rep
When I train clients I tell them to live by the calipers, best way IMO when combined with the mirror to truly measure success.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah that's what I ask Marsh before I go on stage, will I look out of place? That's the most important thing to look like you belong there....:13:
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah been looking at Tren just so expensive...
Agreed the look is the goal unless a power lifter.
I know when I am doing caliper checks I am a lot more precise with everything else automatically. Even though my calipers are digital and do the calculations for me I really just want to see the skin folds goig down or staying the same.
I have seen a few I askled myself why is he even getting up here with us. Or Doesn't he have a friend that could have told him he wasn't ready...
DreamWeaver
Legend
There's always one.. it's a mystery...
MrKleen73
Legend
Wife has applied the brakes.
FYI guys my wife has applied the brakes on my upper body training for the next week. After sleeping on the shoulder wrong a few times it got sore and she was like forget it if you are taking that crap... (alflutop) then damn it you are going to stop training it for at least a week. Said If I wasn't willing to stop training it for a week I shouldn't be willing to use the Alflutop and take shots. They are REALLY making her uncomfortable. She understands the need for then but just isn't going to take no for an answer regarding me training. So I am doing a Deconditioning week. I did not lift last night and wont until the Monday after next I think. I will do a few other things if I can like maybe get in some Farmer walks orund my block with the trap bar and stuff for GPP. However a straight up lifting session is a good week away.
I know she is right to make me stop but as you know I don't like to and didn't want to here. However gotta listen to My Queen. A week off while on Alflutop may really do the trick too. Today will be day 5 of 21 days of it.
FYI guys my wife has applied the brakes on my upper body training for the next week. After sleeping on the shoulder wrong a few times it got sore and she was like forget it if you are taking that crap... (alflutop) then damn it you are going to stop training it for at least a week. Said If I wasn't willing to stop training it for a week I shouldn't be willing to use the Alflutop and take shots. They are REALLY making her uncomfortable. She understands the need for then but just isn't going to take no for an answer regarding me training. So I am doing a Deconditioning week. I did not lift last night and wont until the Monday after next I think. I will do a few other things if I can like maybe get in some Farmer walks orund my block with the trap bar and stuff for GPP. However a straight up lifting session is a good week away.
I know she is right to make me stop but as you know I don't like to and didn't want to here. However gotta listen to My Queen. A week off while on Alflutop may really do the trick too. Today will be day 5 of 21 days of it.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Makes good sense to me...
John Smeton
Legend
Good stuff. adequan is something similar I am going to try and get from my Doctor.I'm battling the same thing you you Mrkleen.
did you get alflutop from your Doctor?
did you get alflutop from your Doctor?
edwitt
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When i did my research Adequan came up but there just seemed far more compelling evidence for the Afluflop my finding are in my ghenerate log. Alfutop is not hard to find nor is ott expensive, I found this to be a staple of many a powerlifter and many take once a year as a preventative measure
Afluflop is not FDA approved
MrKleen73
Legend
Tits on stage!!!!!!!! WTF!!! PCT update...
HE HAD TO HAVE SEEN THESE THINGS BEFORE HE GOT ON STAGE!!!! THEY WERE FULL ON BOOBS!!!! MY WIFE TOLD ME IF SHE HAD SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN MY FIRST COMPETITION SHE WOULD HAVE BARRED ME FROM BODYBUILDING....
Okay as far as PCT goes. I am doing really well. I weighed in at 208 this morning. I am holding water because well once I decided I was taking a week off I decided to go ahead and do an enjoyable refeed this weekend to keep cals up. My abs are just barely showing after spilling over so i will wait until Wednesday and take some pictures of me not holding as much water, and give a more realistic body weight than one that is the result of a lot of glycogen and wter being stored. I finished up my PCT Assist and only have a little more of the Suppress C. I tapered down. I am going to save the rest of it for AM doses while I begin my new diet phase following the Lean Gains principles. I don't have the macros and what not figured out just yet but the diet looks like it takes advantage of a lot of the things I have been noticing lately and thinking would work really well. So I am going to go with that style of eating for a while. To make it simple if you don't know what it is, it is eating the same amount of calories but in 3 meals, with the first meal being the largest unless an evening workout person then the posworkout it the biggest meal. YOu eat 3 times in 8 hours time then fast the other 16 hours. Today is my first attempt at it so we shall see.
If anyone has more info on suggested macro profiles for Lean Gains great I would love to hear them. The guy who made the system up is keeping a lot of it close to him since he charges for it and has a book coming out soon.
There were about 4 of them at this show. Some guys were really impressive more than a few guys had some gyno, as a matter of fact it was like looking at the proposed evolutionary chart of man from Cave Man to the man of today. There were some beginning stages, some intermediate stages IE about 2 inch in diameter of puffyness, one guy had about 3 inches of a perfect circle of puffyness and they looked mildly disturbing when he did a Front Double Biceps, AND THEN THERE WAS DOLLY THE DUDE!!!!! This guy was not quite lean enough to be in the show abs just barely showing very little seperation, now the guy was big but he had REAL TITS!!!! I don't mean gyno, I don't mean puffyness I mean B CUP TITTIES!!!!! In a fron double bicpes shot it looked like someone had attacthed some semi saggy B cup titties to the bottom of his pecs. They just hung out then down off the lip of his lower pec. When he putt his arms back down from the double biceps shot they did the Utter Shudder!!!! I couldn't even stare at them even thought it was like a train wreck and I kept looking back it was like an Eclipse to look at it directly could cause you severe damage to the cornea. Really they were to the point seeing them made me feel uncomfortable.
HE HAD TO HAVE SEEN THESE THINGS BEFORE HE GOT ON STAGE!!!! THEY WERE FULL ON BOOBS!!!! MY WIFE TOLD ME IF SHE HAD SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN MY FIRST COMPETITION SHE WOULD HAVE BARRED ME FROM BODYBUILDING....
Do they have mirros big enough to get all of you in? I have seen those arms!
No, I picked it up online. American Doctors are not allowed to use this as it heals the problem not just treats the symptoms. That is not good business for the pharmacies so the FDA is reluctant to approve it. All studies on it show it as both extremely safe and extremely effective and yet not available in the US...
Yeah, I am on it now today will be Day 7 once I take my shot. I am not experiencing any difference as of yet but what I have read is normally no change until day 10-15 then the relief shows up and sticks around for several months both limiting inflammation but also actually causing the white connective tissue to heal. I was told I may require 2 rounds of treatment if my shoulder is really bad. So we shall see.
Okay as far as PCT goes. I am doing really well. I weighed in at 208 this morning. I am holding water because well once I decided I was taking a week off I decided to go ahead and do an enjoyable refeed this weekend to keep cals up. My abs are just barely showing after spilling over so i will wait until Wednesday and take some pictures of me not holding as much water, and give a more realistic body weight than one that is the result of a lot of glycogen and wter being stored. I finished up my PCT Assist and only have a little more of the Suppress C. I tapered down. I am going to save the rest of it for AM doses while I begin my new diet phase following the Lean Gains principles. I don't have the macros and what not figured out just yet but the diet looks like it takes advantage of a lot of the things I have been noticing lately and thinking would work really well. So I am going to go with that style of eating for a while. To make it simple if you don't know what it is, it is eating the same amount of calories but in 3 meals, with the first meal being the largest unless an evening workout person then the posworkout it the biggest meal. YOu eat 3 times in 8 hours time then fast the other 16 hours. Today is my first attempt at it so we shall see.
If anyone has more info on suggested macro profiles for Lean Gains great I would love to hear them. The guy who made the system up is keeping a lot of it close to him since he charges for it and has a book coming out soon.
MrKleen73
Legend
No really man it was bad enough it was truly disturbing. Creeped something out on an inner core being level. Pretty titties hanging off a giant man. UGH.... So not okay.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah it's creepin me out and I didn't even see them...:eek13:
MrKleen73
Legend
Today was something a little different. A little GPP today then interval cardio. Was a nice workout. My core has been taxed and it feels great. As you know my wife has me on lockdown. So today I decided instead of doing cardio 6 days this week I would do some GPP type stuff. I did that for 25 minutes then did moderate intensity interval cardio for 15 minutes and 200 calories.
The "Workout"
I started with a Farmers carry 75 lb dumbells. I walked out 25 yards and back 25 yards for a total of 50 yards for each "Set" I did 8 sets of 50 yards. The last 3 were getting hard and I found myself huffing and puffing getting up to the end. I could barely hold the dumbells and was clinging to them with all my might coming up to the end of the last 50 yards. Now it may not sound like a lot but think of it this way. I carried 150 lbs across 4 football fields with no grip assistance. OUCH!
Up next Waiter carries 4 set 20 lb DB up in one hand back in the other.
Then came 5 sets with 25 Lbs in each hand doing a mixed carry of Waiter Carry and Suitcase Carry, Waiter on one side and Suitcase on the other switching hand positions with change of direction.
After this I used the same weight and alternated between a one arm waiter carry, and a suit case carry only holding one DB to really work my core more. I walked up in waiter carry on one side back with the other arm then same with suitcase and so on and so on. I got 14 "sets" before my wife finished her weight workout and we went upstairs to do some finishing cardio.
I am trying this new diet out and I like the idea of it but it is really hard to eat so much in 8 hours. Also the carbs are higher so I am not dropping water like I expected to. For this reason I am not 100% sure about putting up a picture because I am still holding a good bit of water and look a little sloppy. That and my stomach is a little distended from getting used to the larger meals. However I am still up at 208 and hoping this diet will help me recomp a bit and possibly lean out a little without losing LBM.
As of right now I am winging the macros on this diet at a 40P/40C/20F on training days and 40p/25c/35f on rest days. Although this week I am eating like it is a training day to keep on some mass while taking the weak off. I am only eating maintenance cals but will change them to a little under for non training and over on training days.
I am probably going to call and end to this log and open an Update log in the Nutrtion Section detailing my progress using the LeanGains approach it won't be a full on log but something for me to keep track of things and my assessments of Lean Gains.
The "Workout"
I started with a Farmers carry 75 lb dumbells. I walked out 25 yards and back 25 yards for a total of 50 yards for each "Set" I did 8 sets of 50 yards. The last 3 were getting hard and I found myself huffing and puffing getting up to the end. I could barely hold the dumbells and was clinging to them with all my might coming up to the end of the last 50 yards. Now it may not sound like a lot but think of it this way. I carried 150 lbs across 4 football fields with no grip assistance. OUCH!
Up next Waiter carries 4 set 20 lb DB up in one hand back in the other.
Then came 5 sets with 25 Lbs in each hand doing a mixed carry of Waiter Carry and Suitcase Carry, Waiter on one side and Suitcase on the other switching hand positions with change of direction.
After this I used the same weight and alternated between a one arm waiter carry, and a suit case carry only holding one DB to really work my core more. I walked up in waiter carry on one side back with the other arm then same with suitcase and so on and so on. I got 14 "sets" before my wife finished her weight workout and we went upstairs to do some finishing cardio.
I am trying this new diet out and I like the idea of it but it is really hard to eat so much in 8 hours. Also the carbs are higher so I am not dropping water like I expected to. For this reason I am not 100% sure about putting up a picture because I am still holding a good bit of water and look a little sloppy. That and my stomach is a little distended from getting used to the larger meals. However I am still up at 208 and hoping this diet will help me recomp a bit and possibly lean out a little without losing LBM.
As of right now I am winging the macros on this diet at a 40P/40C/20F on training days and 40p/25c/35f on rest days. Although this week I am eating like it is a training day to keep on some mass while taking the weak off. I am only eating maintenance cals but will change them to a little under for non training and over on training days.
I am probably going to call and end to this log and open an Update log in the Nutrtion Section detailing my progress using the LeanGains approach it won't be a full on log but something for me to keep track of things and my assessments of Lean Gains.
thundergod
Well-known member
Here, here. Love the farmer's walk. And I grew up on a dairy farm so I know all about this exercise. LOL
Poor Mark Felix ate it up at the end of this event. OUCHERS WOUCHERS!!!
Terry Hollands walks by him and looks at him as if to say, "WTF"??!!!
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah they felt good. I am thinking s shorter carry and heavier weights would be fun. Tonight I may take the trap bar out and walk around the block with it in 25-40 yard incriments maybe load it up with 185. With the trap bar if I peter out I can always roll that bad boy back home. LOL
Saturday I can hit the weights. I had originally thought about waiting until Monday or Tuesday but that will be a total of 9 days of on Saturday so DADDY IS LIFTING!!!! I will probably do a full body workout to hit everything a little before going crazy on the next program. I am still trying to figure out what I am going to move to regarding training. I am not sure if my shoulder is up to the Warrior with all the drop sets just yet. Joint stability can become an issue with exhausion in the drops. I am looking at HCT-12 from wannabebig just started reading the pdf to see if I am interested in it or not. Feeling out the shoulder Saturday should give me a better idea of what I need to do going forward.
Man that sucks looked like it hurt too. What is worse he was winning. I didn't live on a farm but did some work carrying / tossing / stacking bails of hay that was a workout for sure.
DreamWeaver
Legend
I'm a little bit more fond of the their daughters... :icon_lol:
MrKleen73
Legend
Okay I don't have much time right now but wanted to leave an update. I am stabilizing around 205, not quite as lean as I was at 190 but I am holding. I will do a full blown review of said products now that everything is done and my weight has stabilized a bit.
Shoulder is feeling better, I have 8 more days out of 21 on the Alflutop and I worked it out this weekend and it was not sore the following day. I still have a tender spot inside the joint but it is improving. I have a Doc appointment on Wednesday and will see what my liver values are and we can talk about HRT a little more if so. Not sure I want it yet or not but the conversation can still take place.
Shoulder is feeling better, I have 8 more days out of 21 on the Alflutop and I worked it out this weekend and it was not sore the following day. I still have a tender spot inside the joint but it is improving. I have a Doc appointment on Wednesday and will see what my liver values are and we can talk about HRT a little more if so. Not sure I want it yet or not but the conversation can still take place.
John Smeton
Legend
If you do train the next eight days I would take it lighter and easier on any movement that could possibly effect the injury. if you feel even a slight twinge I would back off. I have been doing pec dec and cable crossover for chest and no pain in shoulders on these chest exercises
FlexW99
Well-known member
I just decided to switch up from your Warrior Workouts to FST-7. The warrior workout is harder IMHO, but FST-7 will help with my strength. 2min rest periods felt like eternity in contrast to 1 min in the WW. It was 2 mos on the full bodies and it was time to switch up.
MrKleen73
Legend
Honestly this is what I am doing. I have to do some training tonight but it will be light as well. I have had a harder time jumping right back into the morning workouts since taking a week off. I also wanted to take it easy on the shoulder. Tonight I will more than likely do a full body on the Tower 2000 maybe just do Randy Cutoure's 12 minute program from there.
Yes the warrior is harder it is designed as a catch all and geared for fighters wanting strength size and conditioning. However one day when wanting to do a mass workout extend the rest periods to two minutes and go at it with only 1 drop but about 1/3 to 1/2 the weight. It is BEAST MODE and you recover some of the extra rest time by not doing the extra drop, but the slightly lower weight on the drop allows you to dig more than one drop ofsay 20-25%
FST is sound stuff man and if you add in some DC / Spyder Stretching after that FST 7 set imagine the extra fascial stretch to be applied to the sickly pumped muscle. Yeah baby!
10bathroomsO
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whats up kleen
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id appreciate some visits brah
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id appreciate some visits brah
MrKleen73
Legend
Still trucking along.
I decided to go away from the Lean Gains style of eating at least until his book comes out. While I think the diet may have merit guessing at macros proved to not be so advantageous as well as eating 1500 cals in my first meal of the day was uncomfortable and not worht almost puking.
I have gone back to a 4 times a day eating pattern, both calories and carbs are lower on cardio days higher on weight training days. The bulk of the diet will be eaten post workout or during breakfast on off days. I am sitting at 201 now fasted and abs are just barely visible. I think some of the fasting back fired on that program. I am going to try to recomp from here which will be a challenge but once testosterone is fully recovered in a month or so I will be able to add some more mass pretty easily. I am easily in normal range now but I have always felt I had pretty high levels naturally so I know I have a little more recovering to do.
I decided to go away from the Lean Gains style of eating at least until his book comes out. While I think the diet may have merit guessing at macros proved to not be so advantageous as well as eating 1500 cals in my first meal of the day was uncomfortable and not worht almost puking.
I have gone back to a 4 times a day eating pattern, both calories and carbs are lower on cardio days higher on weight training days. The bulk of the diet will be eaten post workout or during breakfast on off days. I am sitting at 201 now fasted and abs are just barely visible. I think some of the fasting back fired on that program. I am going to try to recomp from here which will be a challenge but once testosterone is fully recovered in a month or so I will be able to add some more mass pretty easily. I am easily in normal range now but I have always felt I had pretty high levels naturally so I know I have a little more recovering to do.
oufinny
Well-known member
Good lord that is a lot of cals in one meal!!!!!!!!!!!! I would hurl once I got to about 800 or so. My stomach does not do well when I throw lots of carbs and protein at it all at once.
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah and honestly whatever his science is my body did not like going over 200 grams of carbs a day regularly. This is something I am just coming to grasp with. Also I am not a fan of all of this ALL WHOLE FOOD idealism. Give me half and half baby. I don't need to eat 4 whole food meals a day my stomach distends and I do this for aesthetics. I don't want a turtle shell abdomen. I have a hand full of almonds with every protein shake I have and get my whole foods in the other two meals. It works for me.
oufinny
Well-known member
I am with you on that 100%. As an example, tomorrow when I workout in the AM I will be getting in two shakes at least because I can't make eggs at work! I have done very well with only 3 whole food meals a day, the more I have I actually feel that it can be somewhat counterproductive, aka, I feel like a bloated turtle bellied... you get the point.
John Smeton
Legend
how is the shoulder ?
MrKleen73
Legend
Final Review CEL PCT ASSIST AND SUPPRESS C
Okay I am about a week and a half out of the actual PCT which I think was kind of important so that I can give the best feedback I can by also including the state I am in after cessation of the products.
I do not give number ratings any longer due to the fact things always cahnge and what was a 9 or 10 may become a 7 later when newer stuff comes out so with faith that supplementation will only improve over time I will give you my opinion of the product in a few different areas.
First I will say that I was shut down HARD!!! I had not nuts at all they had gotten so small maybe 1/3 the size of normal if that. I started my SERM a couple days before starting the Suppress C and PCT Assist and did not notice a lot at first but within about a week I really began to notice some improvements in how I was feeling. I will detail this below in a few sub-sections.
Recovery The first thing I noticed is about a week into using the products my recovery was improving. DOMS started coming back immediately post cycle but they were fading quickly with the use of Suppress C and PCT Assist. I give the Suppress C the extra nod here for this initial recovery. Recovery kept improving through out the PCT and i honestly ended up sore a lot less than I expected.
Strength - During PCT my strength stayed pretty constant. I had to tone down the training at the end due to hurting my shoulder mid cycle but other than that I was still strong as a bull and hitting PRs in PCT. I have to give both of the products credit for the strength I maintained on PCT.
Muscle Retention - I am not versed in what the typical losses are post cycle even with pct however i gained 14.5 lbs putting me to 204.5 in non carb loaded state. I seem to have kept about 8 lbs of muscle out of that as I am sitting at about 201-202 right now but am not as lean as I was at 204.5. I would say I easily have 2-lbs more fat on me than I did at 204.5. I have heard that this is considered a successful PCT however as I said I am not sure so you guys can judge that. Also keep in mind the last 2 weeks I took one and a half weeks and only did 1 deload type workout this week to save my shoulder and let it heal so I expect a slight rebound next week once training again. I will update here if I do as I know that is just due to down time and not a reflection on the quality of my PCT protocal.
Libido - I had no libido at all the first week of my PCT, I began to develop one again about 8 days into PCT which was about 5 days into the Suppress C and PCT Assist. I continued to climb throughout the end of PCT.
Alpha Male - I began to notice my alpha male feeling diminish right about the time I started the Suppress C and PCT Assist since the hormones were gone from my system. Within a week I started getting it back not as high is normal but definitely coming back.
Post PCT - Well I am close to two weeks out from PCT and taking the supps and I have noticed my libido and Alpha Male feeling has dropped somewhat since no longer taking the supplements. I feel they did a great job getting me up and ready to go but now I have the Off feeling, and my test is not quite up to my naturally high feel I have. I may just need another boost but for how bad I was shut down I will say that PCT Assist and Suppress C were a VERY VALUABLE PART OF MY PCT. Stopping them left a noticeable difference in how I feel so I know they were working hard to get the job done. I am easily with in normal test ranges now.
Okay I am about a week and a half out of the actual PCT which I think was kind of important so that I can give the best feedback I can by also including the state I am in after cessation of the products.
I do not give number ratings any longer due to the fact things always cahnge and what was a 9 or 10 may become a 7 later when newer stuff comes out so with faith that supplementation will only improve over time I will give you my opinion of the product in a few different areas.
First I will say that I was shut down HARD!!! I had not nuts at all they had gotten so small maybe 1/3 the size of normal if that. I started my SERM a couple days before starting the Suppress C and PCT Assist and did not notice a lot at first but within about a week I really began to notice some improvements in how I was feeling. I will detail this below in a few sub-sections.
Recovery The first thing I noticed is about a week into using the products my recovery was improving. DOMS started coming back immediately post cycle but they were fading quickly with the use of Suppress C and PCT Assist. I give the Suppress C the extra nod here for this initial recovery. Recovery kept improving through out the PCT and i honestly ended up sore a lot less than I expected.
Strength - During PCT my strength stayed pretty constant. I had to tone down the training at the end due to hurting my shoulder mid cycle but other than that I was still strong as a bull and hitting PRs in PCT. I have to give both of the products credit for the strength I maintained on PCT.
Muscle Retention - I am not versed in what the typical losses are post cycle even with pct however i gained 14.5 lbs putting me to 204.5 in non carb loaded state. I seem to have kept about 8 lbs of muscle out of that as I am sitting at about 201-202 right now but am not as lean as I was at 204.5. I would say I easily have 2-lbs more fat on me than I did at 204.5. I have heard that this is considered a successful PCT however as I said I am not sure so you guys can judge that. Also keep in mind the last 2 weeks I took one and a half weeks and only did 1 deload type workout this week to save my shoulder and let it heal so I expect a slight rebound next week once training again. I will update here if I do as I know that is just due to down time and not a reflection on the quality of my PCT protocal.
Libido - I had no libido at all the first week of my PCT, I began to develop one again about 8 days into PCT which was about 5 days into the Suppress C and PCT Assist. I continued to climb throughout the end of PCT.
Alpha Male - I began to notice my alpha male feeling diminish right about the time I started the Suppress C and PCT Assist since the hormones were gone from my system. Within a week I started getting it back not as high is normal but definitely coming back.
Post PCT - Well I am close to two weeks out from PCT and taking the supps and I have noticed my libido and Alpha Male feeling has dropped somewhat since no longer taking the supplements. I feel they did a great job getting me up and ready to go but now I have the Off feeling, and my test is not quite up to my naturally high feel I have. I may just need another boost but for how bad I was shut down I will say that PCT Assist and Suppress C were a VERY VALUABLE PART OF MY PCT. Stopping them left a noticeable difference in how I feel so I know they were working hard to get the job done. I am easily with in normal test ranges now.
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DreamWeaver
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Yah pretty much what I was eluding to in my thread about being shut down hard like that. I think that if I don't shut down too hard I can have similar gains when PCT is done. I have heard that some actually continue gain strength during PCT but being that shut down just holding steady would be quite an accomplishment. The proof is is the pudding but your experience gives me a very good point of reference for comparisions. First of all I have to hope I am less shut down and am able to recover faster.