KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)

[John Smeton]

I would adjust cals to what you will have after PCT since maintaining muscle is something very important. pointless to eat like a horse if you're going to just slash cals after PCT. talk about losing gains...

As a general rule of thumb adding more calories in PCT is recommended.

when on hormonals you can eat less carbs and still get a great pump, something about the muscle is more sensitive on "anabolics". I'd have to look it up its in Chris Acteos Championship Bodybuilding book.

when off you need more carbs to achieve a pump

 

[mw1]

Very nice log!!!

 

[Tomahawk88]

Ya my weight took a nose dive in PCT, but that was fine with me. Close to 240 was not a pretty look.

 

[thundergod]

I would adjust cals to what you will have after PCT since maintaining muscle is something very important. pointless to eat like a horse if you're going to just slash cals after PCT. talk about losing gains...

And yet we see so many people doing just that. They'll go straight into a full blown cut right after PCT. Going all the way back to square one. ha ha Losing their size, stength, and lastly motivation.

When will they ever learn? :dunno::lol:

 

[FlexW99]

When will they ever learn? :dunno::lol:

Unfortunately, some will never :chairshot:

 

[MrKleen73]

I may have to do this if mine keeps limiting me to keep progressing in weights(and at least lift weights I used to)

Yeah, Ed said it worked well for him, and Big too

I would adjust cals to what you will have after PCT since maintaining muscle is something very important. pointless to eat like a horse if you're going to just slash cals after PCT. talk about losing gains...

Oh definitely not going on a cut right now. My new diet is about the same calories as now just spread out over the week so I am not bloating up so much on weekends. I want to stay over 200 for a couple months to let this weight become the homeostasis that my body wants to keep instead of it wanting to shed muscle to get back to the previous size.

As a general rule of thumb adding more calories in PCT is recommended.

when on hormonals you can eat less carbs and still get a great pump, something about the muscle is more sensitive on "anabolics". I'd have to look it up its in Chris Acteos Championship Bodybuilding book.

when off you need more carbs to achieve a pump

This is a big reason why my carbs have been higher during the week in PCT than when on the DMZ. I also waited to start taking my GDA's until I was in PCT so I would still get the Glut4 activation like I was ON. I didn't need a GDA on the DMZ it took care of all the Glut4 activation I needed.

Very nice log!!!

Thanks, I am really enjoying the products too.

Ya my weight took a nose dive in PCT, but that was fine with me. Close to 240 was not a pretty look.

Man just gets me when I see that you were close to 240 at 5'7" that is so fugging huge. Man to stand next to you must be like standing next to Ox, and I am sure you have no idea how big you look to others.

And yet we see so many people doing just that. They'll go straight into a full blown cut right after PCT. Going all the way back to square one. ha ha Losing their size, stength, and lastly motivation.

When will they ever learn? :dunno::lol:

It is interesting but I know now dieting hard after a bulk is just going to bring me right back down closer to the same size. You should try to maintain your size for at least 4 months or so before going on a severe cut. Just work at a nice recomp or minimal clean up if needed.

Unfortunately, some will never :chairshot:

And they will fall by the way side leaving more room in the gym for the Iron Warriors!!!!!!

 

[DreamWeaver]

I will not start my cut after PCT but possibly a couple weeks after depending on schedule. However mass is not a concern I have and my cuts are long and slow so the calorie deficit is very slight at first.

 

[MrKleen73]

I will not start my cut after PCT but possibly a couple weeks after depending on schedule. However mass is not a concern I have and my cuts are long and slow so the calorie deficit is very slight at first.

Yeah but at the same time your goal is an aggressive recomp with possible extra LBM gains right? If so your calories won't ever climb so high that you will be making a big drop afterwards. You wont be eating for pure mass, just keep your eyes on the mirror and the log book and adjust your intake from there. That and you should end up leaner than when you started so a cut won't be needed immediately. This is why I am pretty happy with where I am now. I gained all lean mass so not really any clean up needed except for water after my loading phases. Although I do wish I didn't have these fat pockets under my chest. They really make me look a lot less lean than I am and it is very frustrating. If I had the money I would have that crap sucked out! How the heck my abs gonna show and my lower chest sag. Oh well until then I need to be down in the 6-7 range to keep it semi tight.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Yeah but at the same time your goal is an aggressive recomp with possible extra LBM gains right? If so your calories won't ever climb so high that you will be making a big drop afterwards. You wont be eating for pure mass, just keep your eyes on the mirror and the log book and adjust your intake from there. That and you should end up leaner than when you started so a cut won't be needed immediately. This is why I am pretty happy with where I am now. I gained all lean mass so not really any clean up needed except for water after my loading phases. Although I do wish I didn't have these fat pockets under my chest. They really make me look a lot less lean than I am and it is very frustrating. If I had the money I would have that crap sucked out! How the heck my abs gonna show and my lower chest sag. Oh well until then I need to be down in the 6-7 range to keep it semi tight.

Yah depends on when I have to be in contest shape for.

 

[thundergod]

I do wish I didn't have these fat pockets under my chest. They really make me look a lot less lean than I am and it is very frustrating. If I had the money I would have that crap sucked out! How the heck my abs gonna show and my lower chest sag. Oh well until then I need to be down in the 6-7 range to keep it semi tight.

May I offer a suggestion? You could snag a couple bottles of PES' ERASE to run. My lower chest fat has decreased dramatically after running my first bottle. Looking for even more improvements as I crack open bottle #2.
Seems that estrogen could be partially to blame for fat deposits in that area.

Run the ERASE at 3 caps per day. 1 cap in the AM and 2 before bed. :thumbsup:

 

[DreamWeaver]

May I offer a suggestion? You could snag a couple bottles of PES' ERASE to run. My lower chest fat has decreased dramatically after running my first bottle. Looking for even more improvements as I crack open bottle #2.
Seems that estrogen could be partially to blame for fat deposits in that area.

Run the ERASE at 3 caps per day. 1 cap in the AM and 2 before bed. :thumbsup:

I won a bottle going to add it to my PCT..

 

[edwitt]

Everything looking good in here

Great results Chris look fwd to having u comp ready ......

 

[newbie2bb]

just wanted to let u know i am still reading and awesome journey and i am too will be watching to see alfu works ..cause i will order it to take care of my dislocated shouler issues

 

[MrKleen73]

TRT Details

Well I just wanted to fill you guys in about my follow up with the Doctor. She said my total test was 228 and normal is starting at 240. So I was relatively recovered by the time I went in. However she said they did end up doing my cholesterol anyway and it my total was okay but my LDL was higher than my HDL. She told me this could have something to do with the low test... My blood pressure has been dropping since being off and I am not at 120/73 today. My creatinine levels were a little high to and they were concerned about that as well as my liver values being high so I had to take a Hep test. Regarding the creatinine she asked me if I was taking creatine and I told her yes she said that can make it look like my kidneys are having problems even if they aren't so she wasn't worried too much about that. What she did say is that I can start on hormone replacement therapy but my liver values have to be back down in a normal range first before she could start me on injections. She didn't even mention patches... I was shocked. So they tested my liver values again and said if it isn't down she I can wait for another month and come back to check.

So a few things to consider, if planning to try to get on TRT after a PS cycle it wouldn't hurt to use a non liver toxic substance instead like a Tren or Max-LMG so your liver values aren't elevated. Also maybe take some cholesterol meds while on your cycle to keep everything looking as it should so when you get off your other stuff doesn't look all out of whack, just the testosterone.

That being said I still haven't decided if I am going to take it or not. If my liver values are still high I will probably just not bother with it, or just go back in later and have everything tested to see if my t levels are back up where they should be. I may do some of the things I stated above on my next run and wait until then and get checked again too. However the TRT would make it possible for me to explore some of the other options for connective tissue correction.

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

Well I just wanted to fill you guys in about my follow up with the Doctor. She said my total test was 228 and normal is starting at 240. So I was relatively recovered by the time I went in. However she said they did end up doing my cholesterol anyway and it my total was okay but my LDL was higher than my HDL. She told me this could have something to do with the low test... My blood pressure has been dropping since being off and I am not at 120/73 today. My creatinine levels were a little high to and they were concerned about that as well as my liver values being high so I had to take a Hep test. Regarding the creatinine she asked me if I was taking creatine and I told her yes she said that can make it look like my kidneys are having problems even if they aren't so she wasn't worried too much about that. What she did say is that I can start on hormone replacement therapy but my liver values have to be back down in a normal range first before she could start me on injections. She didn't even mention patches... I was shocked. So they tested my liver values again and said if it isn't down she I can wait for another month and come back to check.

So a few things to consider, if planning to try to get on TRT after a PS cycle it wouldn't hurt to use a non liver toxic substance instead like a Tren or Max-LMG so your liver values aren't elevated. Also maybe take some cholesterol meds while on your cycle to keep everything looking as it should so when you get off your other stuff doesn't look all out of whack, just the testosterone.

That being said I still haven't decided if I am going to take it or not. If my liver values are still high I will probably just not bother with it, or just go back in later and have everything tested to see if my t levels are back up where they should be. I may do some of the things I stated above on my next run and wait until then and get checked again too. However the TRT would make it possible for me to explore some of the other options for connective tissue correction.

Interesting....well whatever decision you do make Im confident it will be the right one

Are you thinking on maybe trying to raise it naturally, running another PS and then hitting up the TRT?

And who knows...maybe TRT is exactly what you need to get everythign back to par...again i feel my youth is showing so I will yeild to wiser minds.

 

[MrKleen73]

Interesting....well whatever decision you do make Im confident it will be the right one

Are you thinking on maybe trying to raise it naturally, running another PS and then hitting up the TRT?

And who knows...maybe TRT is exactly what you need to get everythign back to par...again i feel my youth is showing so I will yeild to wiser minds.

I think that my test is probably up around 450 by now which is in the lower-mid normal range.

The idea was to either A get on TRT so I could get on Anavar to help my shoulder out without a surgery but since Var would definitely suppress me it wasn't an option without TRT. I am really trying to avoid a surgery right now.

The other option the second option you mentioned was another thing I thought about. I could just let everything go back to normal. Hold off on any Var or anything and then do that later and if I want go back to get on TRT after that when I have taken stuff to keep my cholesterol and what not in line.

I am up in the air here because this is my HPTA and I don't know that I want to be on shots the rest of my life. What if I end up without insurance or whatever. Jobless and no way to get it but my HPTA is screwed from being on TRT for a long time... Going on TRT earlier than you really need to is a big decision. It WOULD allow me to do PH / PS cycles and keep everything I gained. However I am doing a pretty good job with that now. It is just a big decision to make. Yes my shoulder is still a problem and that is the main focus of this thing right now, getting that shoulder squared away. I am just waiting for my pins so I can start my Alflutop.

Depending on how things go with the recent tests will be how I decide to move forward. If I can basically get started without having to jump through hoops I may. If I need to do a whole lot to get started, I will take that as the man above making my decision for me.

 

[GoHardOrGoHme]

Yeah you def want to keep your HPTA as healthy for as long as possible b/c if anything...you can always just drop the supplements and keep lifting if times get real tough and not need the TRT to maintain yoru progress.

But you also bring up a good point with the Var...tough situation. In times like this we really just have to let the God sort it out for us. Just rely on him to direct thy path so you can bring him the greatest glory(maybe with a couple of national titles?).

Who knows...maybe the aflutop will get everything squared away nicely.

 

[DreamWeaver]

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[thundergod]

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I'm all up in it!!

And I advise everyone reading here to sub to it also. A lot of us have been waiting to see DW run a cycle of anabolics. Now's the opportunity.

Jump on it!! :head:

 

[DreamWeaver]

I'm all up in it!!

And I advise everyone reading here to sub to it also. A lot of us have been waiting to see DW run a cycle of anabolics. Now's the opportunity.

Jump on it!! :head:

Thanks TG, now I feel even more motivated to rock the fug out of this run, oh the mayhem!!

 

[votum]

DW, I am back

MrKleen: Looks like amazing stuff going on in here, wealth of info as always and a good 20 minutes of reading just to catch up

Your routine is working wonders for me by the way...weighing 184 right now.

Diet is wholly cottage cheese, milk, fruit, veggies, chicken breast, rice, eggs, oatmeal. So its clean weight. Pretty stoked, and people at work have been asking for the routine $

 

[MrKleen73]

It's about to begin...

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I'm all up in it!!

And I advise everyone reading here to sub to it also. A lot of us have been waiting to see DW run a cycle of anabolics. Now's the opportunity.

Jump on it!! :head:

Thanks TG, now I feel even more motivated to rock the fug out of this run, oh the mayhem!!

I completely agree with TG here. I can't wait to see what another one of us does making the jump. I know you have done HDrol before but this one should be even more interesting. Very excited.

DW, I am back

MrKleen: Looks like amazing stuff going on in here, wealth of info as always and a good 20 minutes of reading just to catch up

Your routine is working wonders for me by the way...weighing 184 right now.

Diet is wholly cottage cheese, milk, fruit, veggies, chicken breast, rice, eggs, oatmeal. So its clean weight. Pretty stoked, and people at work have been asking for the routine $

Excellent man, you still got the shadows of the abs? I am probably about to start that routing back up with with 10 rep work sets instead of 5-6 reps. My shoulder can't handle that. Then the other part of me thinks I should go with a less intense training protocol.

 

[thundergod]

I completely agree with TG here. I can't wait to see what another one of us does making the jump. I know you have done HDrol before but this one should be even more interesting. Very excited.

Oh yeah. Epi is considerably stronger than H-Drol. Equally as lean. No estro sides. Mildly toxic. Cheaper. Need I say more? :lol:

 

[MrKleen73]

Oh yeah. Epi is considerably stronger than H-Drol. Equally as lean. No estro sides. Mildly toxic. Cheaper. Need I say more? :lol:

Oh I would be very tempted to trade off my HDrol I have for later to try some of this Epi-Strong. This is the Epi that I am interested in right now due to everything I have already heard regarding it's potency and purity. I am a little iffy since I had such a bad experience with the Epistane but will have to wait, this ain't cheap stuff and I am tight on the cash... So I may try it later down the road when I scrounge up more cash.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Oh yeah. Epi is considerably stronger than H-Drol. Equally as lean. No estro sides. Mildly toxic. Cheaper. Need I say more? :lol:

Wow not I'm really excited... can't wait start dosing late this week. I am planing on starting 2 days before my first workout. :13:

 

[votum]

I completely agree with TG here. I can't wait to see what another one of us does making the jump. I know you have done HDrol before but this one should be even more interesting. Very excited.



Excellent man, you still got the shadows of the abs? I am probably about to start that routing back up with with 10 rep work sets instead of 5-6 reps. My shoulder can't handle that. Then the other part of me thinks I should go with a less intense training protocol.

That I do, I have progress photos but can't upload at the moment o.0

I have a slight bit of added chubbiness on my lower abs, but nothing to hard to lose, just added daily ab work

10 reps and keeping everything else the same o.0? Sounds very interesting I think it would be perfect for cutting up though, because holy crap do I sweat! I am actually in love with the crazy drop sets, because I work out alone and can't do negative work, doing drop sets to failure is almost the same, because I add focus to the negatives.

I vote do the 10 reps, it should shed any little pockets of fat you have laying around, there isn't much, but I don't see it hurting at all.

 

[Silver3CSRT8]

Oh yeah. Epi is considerably stronger than H-Drol. Equally as lean. No estro sides. Mildly toxic. Cheaper. Need I say more? :lol:

I couldn't agree more. I was unimpressed with my H-Drol run, but with Epi I gained serious strength and some good mass while leaning out some. It is a damn good compound with low sides and many positives.

 

[VolcomX311]

Just came in here for a breath of fresh air from bb.com :blackeye:

 

[Killerkanadia]

All this talk about Epi-strong. I might lose self control!

 

[MrKleen73]

So Epi and Eq-Plex sound like a nice time then huh? That is what I would run if I had the Epi and not the HDrol. Although I geuss if I wanted to juice up the HDrol run I could add Max-LMG for extra size. Anyone have any thoughts on that stack? HDrol and Max-LMG?

 

[VolcomX311]

I always feel out the loop with PH talk.

 

[MrKleen73]

Last week of PCT.

Well guys we are going into my last week. I counted out the doses and will be done on Saturday I think. This week brings me down to 1 Formadrol @ night, 1 T911 in morning, and two doses of my PCT Assist and 1 application of Suppress C. I weighed myself after not going crazy with the carbs this weekend and i was 211 with some light weight running shoes, shorts and a beater on at the gym. So I would say between 206-208 lbs if I were barefoot and in my skivvies. My abs have gotten just a little bit more covered but then again I have some water on me from this weekend. I wasn't expecting to but even though I cut down on my carbs I still did a 1000 grams over the course of the weekend and I didn't try to limit liquids so I pulled water on. I was getting that in the 1st 24 hours of my loading phase before. So I was ending up a lot more over spilled but not sure that I was actually any more full. One would assume that saturation is what causes spill over so once it begins you are really not going to get a whole lot more glycogen into the muscle but if using that period to boost calories for anabolism then it is still a good practice.

Now for the workouts. I didn't right down the workout from Saturday but will go into what I remember. I worked out with my buddy who wanted to do this routine so I joined in. He was going to go heavy on bench and me I was just trying to keep from hurting my shoulder. I wrote yesterdays workout down so I think I have that one rememembered. I forgot to bring th thing in.

Saturday Chest, Shoulders and Triceps

BB Flat Bench - 135x10, 185x15, had a guy doing some smith reverse grip then reverse grip ushups up on dumbells so you can sink in deep that he wanted to show me. I did 225 for 15 reps reverse grip then 10 reverse grip push ups between dumbbells while holding one leg up then 10 more holding the other leg up. Was pretty intense but killed me for bench after that. 225x8, 185x12 were the last two sets on bench. My triceps and lower pecs were done after those push ups.

CG Reverse Grip BB Bench - 185x10, 185x10, 185x10 He had me bringing these as high on my chest as possible to bring in the front head of the delts more. My lats kept getting in the way of going as high on my chest as he wanted but the effect was still noticeable on my my delts.

Standing Arnold presses - 40x15, 45x12, shoulder was feeling a little shaky by this point so I just kept reps semi slow and controlled it through the range of motion.

PinWheel Curls - 65x15, 65x15

DB Curls 6x40, 6x50, 6x60, 6x70, 6x80 no real rest just put the weight up grab the next weight.

WOW I remembered pretty much everything once I went back into thinking about it.

Sunday Quads -

Step Ups w/ High knees 2 sets of 15
Back Roll ups holding 110 lbs 2 sets of 15.
Leg Press 2p x25, 4p x12, 8p x10, 12px10, 14p x6, 16p x6, last set is drop set 18p x4>16p x6>14p x5>12p x4>8p x3>6p x2, my legs were toast by this point. I was doing full range of motion on these thighs were completely into my chest before pushing the weight back up off of me. When it was all done, I was soaked in sweat and one of my eyes felt like I popped a blood vessel in it. HELL YEAH BITCH! WHAT NOW!!!!!

So then I limped over to the Leg Extension machine to abuse my quads just a little more.
Leg Ext. - 190x10, 250x8, 270x6, 290x6>250x5>210x4>190x3>130x6 Man my legs were just lit up after this. I was wobbling as I walked it was pretty funny to see I am sure.

Okay I am going to take some final pictures at some point this week. I have basically settled into what I feel is going to be my homeostasis for a bit. Without really trying to make many changes to my physique I can see myself holding this weight rather easily as long as i don't start jonesing for deeply cut abs. When i do clean up I will only clean up a few lbs here and there more of a recomp goal than a weight loss goal.

 

[MrKleen73]

I always feel out the loop with PH talk.

Well I did before... I have to admit it is a pretty awesome feeling to be on a PH/PS cycle but there is definitely a lot to pay attention to. It isn't for everyone. I am excited about doing one more run but not excited about the other side of the On feeling. IE Pumps, and what not. I also like the way my legs look better off of them. My legs got very full on them but so full you couldn't see the seperation any more. Like they were swollen.

 

[VolcomX311]

I also like the way my legs look better off of them. My legs got very full on them but so full you couldn't see the seperation any more. Like they were swollen.

Ah, like my abs.

 

[MrKleen73]

Ah, like my abs.

But that is changing eh!

 

[VolcomX311]

But that is changing eh!

Slowly but surely. I'd have to say my results are much, much more recomp'ish then a cut, but that's fine. It's my first cut without using any fat burners at all. Only thing I'm on is "No Tingling" Beta Alanine (which still gives me the tingles pretty bad) and Creatine.

 

[MrKleen73]

Cool it is always good to recomp, would rather do that unless just in a big hurry to get cut.

 

[edwitt]

Cool it is always good to recomp, would rather do that unless just in a big hurry to get cut.

x 10

All that blood sweat and tears and then loose muscle cutting dont see the point unless ur getting ready for a compettition

Waist -10" in 9 months LBM up, Strength up recomp is my name lifting is my game :burger:

 

[VolcomX311]

Cool it is always good to recomp, would rather do that unless just in a big hurry to get cut.

No hurry really, but the slower process isnt' as rewarding or motivating. I'm losing maybe a 1lb a week at this point, but whatever. My soft timeline is one year, at least thats my ultimate goal, but my realistic timeline is unknown, until I get sick of eating like this I suppose.

I like the new Natabolic KO challenge :cheers:

 

[FlexW99]

Those are some strong DB Curls there friend.

I had a positive experience with Hdrol solo btw. All this Epi-Strong talk though has me planning my next go around possibly as soon as next week. Anxiety up!

 

[DreamWeaver]

Those are some strong DB Curls there friend.

I had a positive experience with Hdrol solo btw. All this Epi-Strong talk though has me planning my next go around possibly as soon as next week. Anxiety up!

I've started an Epi-demic... :13:

 

[MrKleen73]

x 10

All that blood sweat and tears and then loose muscle cutting dont see the point unless ur getting ready for a compettition

Waist -10" in 9 months LBM up, Strength up recomp is my name lifting is my game :burger:

Yep I mean you went through some cutting periods but I don't think there has really been a point that you weren't building muscle with everything you have been taking and your hard work /attention to detail.

No hurry really, but the slower process isnt' as rewarding or motivating. I'm losing maybe a 1lb a week at this point, but whatever. My soft timeline is one year, at least thats my ultimate goal, but my realistic timeline is unknown, until I get sick of eating like this I suppose.

I like the new Natabolic KO challenge :cheers:

Yeah 1 Lb is the way to go if you don't want to lose muscle, or motivation from results.

Those are some strong DB Curls there friend.

I had a positive experience with Hdrol solo btw. All this Epi-Strong talk though has me planning my next go around possibly as soon as next week. Anxiety up!

Thanks, yeah the Epi has me paying attention too. I keep trying to decide what to do next but since I have something already I will probably go with that. Then again the other side of me says hold off on any methylated and do a run with Max-LMG and another good non methylated compound. Anyone have any opinions on that? For that matter has anyone run Max-LMG?

I've started an Epi-demic... :13:

LMAO Perfect delivery Sir!

 

[MrKleen73]

Frustrated with myself...

Man I am really frustrated with myself. I didn't get up and go to the gym this morning and it was purely laziness. I had no other reason other than I woke up and was like I just don't feel like it. I turned the alarm off and went back to sleep. Of course after that sleep was restless and I was already admonishing myself in my dreams for going back to bed. You know that part of dreaming where your thoughts can effect the dream. Well I would be dreaming then think about not going and get frustrated then wake up, happened like 4-5 times in the next two hours so I didn't even get any more quality sleep. UGH!!!! Now tonight I have to go workout in my garage because I am not going to a gym during peak hours. No WAY! That is precisely why I have a home gym. Anyway I just wanted to vent because damn it I let myself down this morning, and am annoyed with myself.

Oh on another note first administration of Alflutop was a success. No pain what so ever. Hard to get all of the stuff out but now I have my blueprint on how to get it out I wont have problems next time. Next week is the beginning of a new workout but not sure what I will do. I am thinking of revisiting the Warrior workout, and or the Full Body giant set routine that kicks my arse. It starts out with really low weight but it is challenging as all get out. However if I ever make it to the 60% range I will be a friggin animal. Would probably be the healthiest choice for my shoulder and I could eat maintenence while running it so I can recomp. I have been beating the crap out of my body for about 9 weeks now which is probably part of the reason I didn't go this morning. I am due for a break but just trying to make it to the end of this week. The first week of that other workout should be light enough to qualify as a good deload week, then I can gradually move up per the plans progression. Then again maybe I should deload this week and start up next. What do you all think about that? I know I am due to deload and feel the effects of overtraining. Would a deload right now have any effect on my muscle retention? I kind of think not but putting it out there for discussion. I know a nice deload this week would make that first week of the other more effective at building muscle. Kind of the Strategic Deconditioning method from HST applied there. Anyways anyone have thoughts here?

 

[FlexW99]

I think a deload would be beneficial, HOWEVER, just think, its usually my confidence that sways if I happen to take a week off/deload, etc.

For instance, say I was cycling and benched 500
Went through PCT, still benching 500
Couple weeks after PCT, still benching 500 but its getting tougher
Deload/Week off happens, anxiety up to get back in
1st week back, reluctant to bench 500 because 1. confidence 2. just took a week off and dont wanna load up that quickly 3. CNS just isnt firing on all cylinders.. 4. a little of 'all of the above'

Its a tough call. I know strength doesnt neccessarily correlate to muscle size/retention but regardless its a good guage for your body to say 'yeah we need to keep this muscle' in contrast to not using the muscle and your body saying 'enough is enough, get rid of it'.

If it were me, I'd keep going ballz to the wall. Its the way we're built holmes! but then again, what do I know?

 

[MrKleen73]

BEAST MODE BACK WITH A VENGEANCE!!!

Post is below quote but the quote is relevant to the post so it is on top.

I think a deload would be beneficial, HOWEVER, just think, its usually my confidence that sways if I happen to take a week off/deload, etc.

For instance, say I was cycling and benched 500
Went through PCT, still benching 500
Couple weeks after PCT, still benching 500 but its getting tougher
Deload/Week off happens, anxiety up to get back in
1st week back, reluctant to bench 500 because 1. confidence 2. just took a week off and dont wanna load up that quickly 3. CNS just isnt firing on all cylinders.. 4. a little of 'all of the above'

Its a tough call. I know strength doesnt neccessarily correlate to muscle size/retention but regardless its a good guage for your body to say 'yeah we need to keep this muscle' in contrast to not using the muscle and your body saying 'enough is enough, get rid of it'.

If it were me, I'd keep going ballz to the wall. Its the way we're built holmes! but then again, what do I know?

Agreed Sir! Now let's talk about last night! I will dedicate that beast of a workout to Army Guy because it reflected a never give in mentallity.

I took ASGT at work and a scoop of Jack3d when I got home then I went out to the garage to do what I was thinking was just going to be a nice light pull workout. You know the maybe I should deload workout. LOL Well let me tell you that didn't happen. I had already admonished myself for not getting up then to put in a weak ass workout just wasn't in the cards. I didn't have a plan when I went in there but started doing some lat pulldowns with 70 lbs it feels heavier on my machine because of friction, the movement of the weight carriage is not on bearings just plastic wrapping around metal. Anyway I did 15 to the back and 15 to the front to warm up. Then I did a set of 5 on chins, and if felt really good then it struck me. I will do one set of 5 chins every minute until I just can't get to 5 and see how many I get. As I got up to the 4rth set I started having to work harder to complete the set and almost got discouraged. I was thinking 50, 50 is the goal 50 chins in a workout is just bad ass! Somewhere about the 7th set they started getting a little easier. I made my 7th -11th set with some good work but not as hard as sets 4-6 were which was interesting. Notice I said 11 sets so far that was 55 chins. Well I started thinking big at that point. I thought man what if I can somehow get to 20 sets of 5 chins. Oh my how glorious of an accomplishment that would be for me. As I approached my 15th set I started having to pull myself up about a little over half way then let myself drop an inch and exlode again to get my chin over the bar but damn it I got them. Each set I finish I am amazed I got another 5. Each time I started a new set I thought this will probably be the last one then I would get mentally ready and explode 1,2,3,4... snort growl 5! I finished my 19th set and that 5th rep was so inexplicably hard to get out. I was so excited.

Pace, Pace, Pace... call on inner Warrior, and explode. 1,2,3,4 up halfway back down a little and up a little further, but still no chin over the bar, DAMN IT!!! I let myself back down but refuse to put my feet down. I hang on the bar for a second or two pull again and get almost all the way up. Back to a hang for a second, PULL YOU BASTARD PULL! My chin stopped just sort of going over the bar. I locked my body there and just pulled and pulled and pulled and finally my chin made it over the bar!

THAT'S 20 SETS OF 5... 100 CHIN UPS IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES!!!!


Hell to the yeah!

Now I was done, I had thought maybe just maybe after these i would go ahead and do some good mornings or Romanian Dead lifts but no. Once the adrenaline I was tapping into to get through that I felt like I immediately had nothing left once I let go of the chin bar. I did all of these without wraps also, just me and my gloves. Here is the kicker guys I have no DOMS as of yet. I did go in and take an extra dose of Suppress C to limit catabolism post workout.

I have lost a little weight. I weighed in at 202 with nothing on (not sure if this scale is accurate), and I am not as lean as I was at the end of the run so I am going to move my carbs back up to 180 or so a day and every day and not go over 250 in a day on weekends if I do relax depends on where I am compositionwise. I will get most of my carbs in the mornings with a carb cut off of about 4:30 and see if my muscle fills back out some more. I may also need to increase cals a little bit. Like I said I don't really want to fall below 200 lbs and still have a nice shadow of abs. I wasn't expecting to see a drop like this this week. So I am adjusting carbs i think they will make the most difference in physique regarding fullness. I can drink extra water to stay dry.

I am nutrtionally versed in dieting as I have done this all of my life. Losing weight has become my specialty since I am just naturally meant to be a big bellied bubba. SO I am teaching myself how to gain without too much fat and finding my sweet spot for carbs. The experience continues, it is not easy for me being extremely carb sensitive. Using carbs I can gain a lot of mass quickly but fat comes with it if I don't have that sweet spot dialed in so now I am trying to find that sweet spot. Most other people I can make dietary recommendations to and they have no issues putting on good size with minimal fat gain. Of course I am not sure what I am complaining about I have managed to stay under 7-12% for a few years now and am still growing. However I know once I have myself dialed in I will be making even better progress.

 

[Killerkanadia]

Badass on the workout man. I love the unconventional pushing your body to the limit type workouts sometimes. Where better than your garage either!

 

[oufinny]

Chris that is some insanity on the chin ups! It had to be a sight to see when you got that last rep. This is the kind of motivation I need today to get through my leg workout that will surely be BRUTAL!

 

[MrKleen73]

Badass on the workout man. I love the unconventional pushing your body to the limit type workouts sometimes. Where better than your garage either!

Chris that is some insanity on the chin ups! It had to be a sight to see when you got that last rep. This is the kind of motivation I need today to get through my leg workout that will surely be BRUTAL!

Thanks Guys it was awesome. I am honestly thinking of doing this with other exercises to. I am thinking of attempting this with 225-245 on squats next. If it works out well again I am going to create a program incorporating this into the regimen. I am really shocked I don't have the DOMS I expected but then again the day is not over yet. LOL My back was so thick and pumped last night it was insane and cool part was I was in my garage so i didn't have a shirt on and could turn and look at my back while is was all swolen and huge. I didn't actually realize how much thicker I have gotten until then. Mey erectors and lower traps are friggin thick!

 

[DreamWeaver]

I can't even fathom that may sets on any exercise...

 

[VolcomX311]

Glad to hear you re-charged and re-motivated. As for me, I weighed in at 214 this morning :eek13: Still looking leaner then when I started, but up from 211.5last week. If I weren't so apparently leaner and showing slightly more landscape across my upper back, I'd be in a deep discouragement in light of my dieting efforts.

I re-introduced complex carbs back into my daily diet, but really not that much. I guess all that time going carb free has my system sucking and holding onto what little amount of brown rice and Ezekiel bread I'm eating.