KLEEN takes Anabolic Control with Natabolic & SWOLE! + many other goodies.
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A_I_Sports_Nutrition
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Nice job Kleen.
MrKleen73
Legend
WELLLLL...... I am actually planning to dive into some PH use, HDrol with higher dosed Trifecta not sure. I have really been looking at the NPC as the most likely place to make my stomping grounds. I will need some OOMPH behind me if I go that route, no less than an extra 10 LBs of muscle to be competitive since most of those guys are pinning right up to the show in a lot of cases. Not sure if I will log that one or just enjoy the ride and telling you all about it in other posts.
10bathroomsO
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MrKleen73
Legend
It has never been a question of moral for me. I tried them once before and got a dirty batch I think and that scared me away from running them at all. However I don't hold a persons choice to use them or not as any sort of moral compass. I can build 10 lbs more muscle with the same max effort I always put into my workouts. Does it take away from the work I put into it, no it doesn't. I am always getting accused of being on the juice, this way it will be somewhat true. I figure I may as well show em what I would look like then.
I have used some AI's now that already remove me from a lot of the stricter natural competitions for 2 years so I had a decision to make. I looked up the bulk of the shows I have coming up and they all either consider themselves natural but allow anything that can still be bought legally over the counter, or are just flat out untested. I want to do multiple shows in a year without paying for multiple federations or having to travel all the time. That leads me to NPC, NPC does not test in Texas, and the only tested show is a Natural show where once again everything bought over the counter is considered natural. However there are 3-4 shows in Houston a year and even more if you count 5 hour trips like Dallas and San Antonio. I want to start working hard on this and doing a lot of contests to work out my plans for Contest prep, I really want to specialize in that area of training I see NPC as a big venue for that.
To be honest with you I would much rather just pin testosterone as it is a lot healthier way to go, but I agreed with the wife when we got together I wouldn't touch the stuff. I had been contemplating a cycle right before we got together and when we did I spoke with her about it and I chose not too. The real bottom line here is that she doesn't have a problem with the PH's, so I don't either.
I have used some AI's now that already remove me from a lot of the stricter natural competitions for 2 years so I had a decision to make. I looked up the bulk of the shows I have coming up and they all either consider themselves natural but allow anything that can still be bought legally over the counter, or are just flat out untested. I want to do multiple shows in a year without paying for multiple federations or having to travel all the time. That leads me to NPC, NPC does not test in Texas, and the only tested show is a Natural show where once again everything bought over the counter is considered natural. However there are 3-4 shows in Houston a year and even more if you count 5 hour trips like Dallas and San Antonio. I want to start working hard on this and doing a lot of contests to work out my plans for Contest prep, I really want to specialize in that area of training I see NPC as a big venue for that.
To be honest with you I would much rather just pin testosterone as it is a lot healthier way to go, but I agreed with the wife when we got together I wouldn't touch the stuff. I had been contemplating a cycle right before we got together and when we did I spoke with her about it and I chose not too. The real bottom line here is that she doesn't have a problem with the PH's, so I don't either.
John Smeton
Legend
That is how I feel. are natural shows really natural? I guess that depends on the persons point of view. They are hormonal.The only one the rules ban prohormones is the IFPA/ocb , which I followed there strict rules from 2006-2009, then I switched over to NGA, which does test, and does allow otc.
Testosterone is safer and healthier. I would rather sleep in peace at night because I am a law abiding citizen(even if I do disagree with some laws and think ph's are actually hazardous than the real stuff, and of course not abusing these powerful things)
strong leg workout btw
VolcomX311
Legend
Same here. I had an initial interest where I actually had a 12 week stack of vials in my possession and needles. I loaded my first syringe, flicked out the air bubbles and couldn't do it. I trashed all the vials.
I haven't done anything since, at least nothing requiring a SERM. I think Junglewarfare and 3AD by Anabolic Xtreme was as strong of a supp I've used.
I'm also in the same place with you on your last paragraph. My best hope of taking any legit test is if I go to an endo and get diagnosed with low T and get a script. I almost took that route, but I don't want to pay the endo for a blood screen and end up with acceptable T levels.
John Smeton
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hdrol seemed to have messed with my joints. it is a testosterone derivative and does not aromatize, causing natural testosterone and estrogen to go low. Other than that it worked very well for myself I did six weeks @ 75 mgs , went from 238 to 245 and lost 1-2 % body fat back in Jan-Feb of this year.
I actually prefer the feeling I have right now , off cycle, then the hdrol feeling, aside from the muscle gains and strength I got from it. Thats just my experience, that does not mean it'll effect you this way. Cheers
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
H-drol was ok I ran it for 5 weeks at 75mg and like John made some gains and lost some BF. PCT is not bad a low dose of nolva and a test booster is really enough.
thundergod
Well-known member
I learned that firsthand. I did some extensive studying on Emu Oil as a transdermal carrier and was impressed with what I read.
So on my injectable cycle, I mixed some Formestane into my Emu Oil and it worked wonderfully.
Plus, it's cheaper than most pre-made carriers. Just order up some bulk Formestane powder from NutraPlanet, grab a container Emu Oil, heat it up, mix in the Form, and enjoy!!!!:woohoo:
edwitt
Well-known member
Order up some raw test no ester u got urself a nice pre WO transdermal
Woo****inghoo
DreamWeaver
Legend
Wow Kleen are we the only ones that haven't yet gone to the juice lol
Yah I have been looking into it and yes Injections are a better way to go healthwise...
I got it down to a precontest Test Prop with Masteron and finish off with 4 - 5 weeks oral winstrol, injected is way to expensive to run for 10 weeks.
Now that being said it's still pretty doubtfull I will go through with it, but it's an option should I decide to escalate.
Yah I have been looking into it and yes Injections are a better way to go healthwise...
I got it down to a precontest Test Prop with Masteron and finish off with 4 - 5 weeks oral winstrol, injected is way to expensive to run for 10 weeks.
Now that being said it's still pretty doubtfull I will go through with it, but it's an option should I decide to escalate.
edwitt
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A_I_Sports_Nutrition
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Whatever way you go I am behind you 100%. I do agree injectables are better health wise if your sure of the source.
edwitt
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All this talk of the dark side in here... very interesting.
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Liftergym33
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MrKleen73
Legend
Exactly, at this point I am going with a PS cycle but may as well say it is the juice. I am taking the leap and plan to see what i can do with some serious determination and the assist of HDrol, Eq-Plex, I wont get the benefits of testosterone as i would prefer but in honestly it is about me keeping my lovely goddess happy. If she changed her mind I would definitely go that route. It is just healthier than the PS but for now it is me and finding some good cycle support...
Exactly but I am sticking with this for now. If go injectable it will be with a TRT prescription later.
All this talk of the dark side in here... very interesting
I know I tell you it is interesting too because right now I am very impressed with what this natural stack has done for me. However I am ready for another 10-15 lbs of muscle over the course of the year. I just don't feel my genetics are going to get me the size I need to compete in the competitions I want to be in. So if this is the dark side I am now in on it. I bet there are a lot of people curious to see what happens when someone already well developed and near my genetic potential hits the strong stuff. I am still trying to decide if I should log this or not. I have everything ordered and ready to go starting next week. Already loading up on Milk thistle and BP stuff.Me to!
John Smeton
Legend
There are two kinds of "hormones users
Those that do it legally: the products you can buy over the counter
Those that do it illegally: The stuff that is banned
I personally like to stay on the good side of the law by following it and in certain (and many a lot?) of "natural competitions" as long as you buy otc and they pass the urine and polygraph test you come out fine.
this stuff is nothing to play with that little hdrol cycle took me 4 months for me to feel back to my old self again. Although certain compounds effect certain people in different ways , due to genetics. some people bounce back in a month, some it takes six months or longer.The first week or two pct I felt like a girl because I had the hormones of a girl. You'll get a little tiny glimpse of what girls go though feeling wise and hormonally the first week or two after your cycle is done.
I say 1-2 cycles a year max at least for myself and I am 29.
eq plex converts to real eq at about 10 %, and eq is a derivative of testosterone with half the androgenic and estrogenic effects compared to real testosterone so a serm or ai probably isn't necessary , esp at 600 mgs or under. 800 , maybe not, if they do arise add in a serm or ai. I used it at 600 6 weeks and had decent gains, back when it was legal to purchase.
I have studied this stuff for years upon years so this is just from memory.
Those that do it legally: the products you can buy over the counter
Those that do it illegally: The stuff that is banned
I personally like to stay on the good side of the law by following it and in certain (and many a lot?) of "natural competitions" as long as you buy otc and they pass the urine and polygraph test you come out fine.
this stuff is nothing to play with that little hdrol cycle took me 4 months for me to feel back to my old self again. Although certain compounds effect certain people in different ways , due to genetics. some people bounce back in a month, some it takes six months or longer.The first week or two pct I felt like a girl because I had the hormones of a girl. You'll get a little tiny glimpse of what girls go though feeling wise and hormonally the first week or two after your cycle is done.
I say 1-2 cycles a year max at least for myself and I am 29.
eq plex converts to real eq at about 10 %, and eq is a derivative of testosterone with half the androgenic and estrogenic effects compared to real testosterone so a serm or ai probably isn't necessary , esp at 600 mgs or under. 800 , maybe not, if they do arise add in a serm or ai. I used it at 600 6 weeks and had decent gains, back when it was legal to purchase.
I have studied this stuff for years upon years so this is just from memory.
MrKleen73
Legend
This is what I am banking on and I am toying with the idea GVT during this time. It will keep my weights low and volume high to really take advanatage of the cycle, then in PCT I will move over to something like DC Training and go heavier. I have been reading that this is the way to keep the most mass. High volume lower weights during then lower volume higher intensity afterwards. We shall see what happens. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
MrKleen73
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Stubborn, LOL to much hype from the media and an ex who was abusive she has her fears and I understand them. However she is letting me use Alflutop for my shoulder so that is a start. She already told me the pins freaked her out. LOL
John Smeton
Legend
go for it. I know a bit about hormonal and how to train on and off them.
Here is a good point -when you go off cycle , naturally estrogen and testosterone levels are in the dumps, I like to take a week or so off at this time,maybe a deload, maybe even a month until they are on the road to recovery. It takes discipline to stay off because the gains happen much greater than natural anabolic. Many guys I see are abusing their bodies and that's why a lot of these compounds got banned because of dumb asses[ignorant people on the matter])
The gains will stay as long as nutrition is present and generally up calories after a cycle. (so a good idea not to time it with getting lean)
Many Many injuries happen when guys get off cycle and have lowered estrogen and testosterone levels , and want to retain the awesome gains they just made.
I feel like so knowledgeable and spreading the information. (thanks to the many people I learned it from, Dante(DC inventor himself on this subject)
edwitt
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Sounds like a plan my man
Sounds like you have all the bases covered :bigok:
and heres a little somthin for everyone
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Liftergym33
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I bet, I would be very curious to see how you will respond..., you may have to buy bigger clothes!!
DreamWeaver
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Yah a lot depends on how I do on herbals this next few months and where I decide to compete. It's getting harder to find comps where there are others my age to compete against. It seems non-tested shows have more popularity right now. On the other side of the coin, I have a very excellent HPTA and is it worth it to fug that up just to compete in a bodybuilding comp. I am pretty doubtfull at this point, I am tearing it up pretty well as it is. God me on juice, I would be enourmous. The cycle I have planned would just be precontest though aimed at preserving more than gaining. I have no desire to get that much bigger.
MrKleen73
Legend
Workout updates.
Well cardio yesterday was 45 minutes interval training on elliptical 581 calories. Then I walked for about an hour at lunch as well.
Today Back and Biceps
Assisted Chins BW195 -80 x15, -60x10, -40x10 2 sets, -20x8 - Great pump work got hard at -40
HS Rows 90x15, 115x10, 90x10, 70x12 - I felt my elbow starting to complain about the gripping on the set of 115 per side so I lowered the weight then again for last set just to be careful.
Curls Cybex Machine with rotating handles - Neutral grip 90x15, 80x15, Supine Grip 80x11, 80x9
Moderate > High Intensity Interval Training. IE... Lower level is higher than typical recovery period and higher level is just a little lower than typical high intensity for HIIT, basically running on a moderate incline as fast as I can go and keep it moving for 2 minutes. Hard enough so that I am really breathing heavily at the end of a minute and a half and pushing it to make 2 minutes, then walking 2 minutes at double the incline so I am barely catching my breathe about the time I start running again.
MHIIT 15 minutes 204 calories.
150 crunches in sauna.
Well I have not skipped a beat since coming down from the Formadrol. My testicles are back to normal size they were actually larger than normal and the stepping down to just the free test and estrogen modulation I feel great so far no sign of rebound. I hold that in part to the IC3 but also to the AI in ASGT helping with a shot here and there of AI. I have 14 days to get my cuts on. I did a major refeed this weekend and am bringing the water back down now. I think it will do me well as a metabolism booster to get the rest of this off of me by Sept 1. I expect to have my abs in for sure. I don't think I will be as lean as I was in my other pics but abs will be there none the less.
Well cardio yesterday was 45 minutes interval training on elliptical 581 calories. Then I walked for about an hour at lunch as well.
Today Back and Biceps
Assisted Chins BW195 -80 x15, -60x10, -40x10 2 sets, -20x8 - Great pump work got hard at -40
HS Rows 90x15, 115x10, 90x10, 70x12 - I felt my elbow starting to complain about the gripping on the set of 115 per side so I lowered the weight then again for last set just to be careful.
Curls Cybex Machine with rotating handles - Neutral grip 90x15, 80x15, Supine Grip 80x11, 80x9
Moderate > High Intensity Interval Training. IE... Lower level is higher than typical recovery period and higher level is just a little lower than typical high intensity for HIIT, basically running on a moderate incline as fast as I can go and keep it moving for 2 minutes. Hard enough so that I am really breathing heavily at the end of a minute and a half and pushing it to make 2 minutes, then walking 2 minutes at double the incline so I am barely catching my breathe about the time I start running again.
MHIIT 15 minutes 204 calories.
150 crunches in sauna.
Well I have not skipped a beat since coming down from the Formadrol. My testicles are back to normal size they were actually larger than normal and the stepping down to just the free test and estrogen modulation I feel great so far no sign of rebound. I hold that in part to the IC3 but also to the AI in ASGT helping with a shot here and there of AI. I have 14 days to get my cuts on. I did a major refeed this weekend and am bringing the water back down now. I think it will do me well as a metabolism booster to get the rest of this off of me by Sept 1. I expect to have my abs in for sure. I don't think I will be as lean as I was in my other pics but abs will be there none the less.
FlexW99
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Agreed. Just remember another 10 lbs on your frame means you're in the heavyweight class.
I'm shooting for light-heavy up to 198lbs in the NPC. Honestly, I know we differ in experience; my first gig will be a victory in itself. It all depends on your goals and 'how far' you wanna take it.
I'll be watching!
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Great work Kleen!!!
MrKleen73
Legend
Actually 10-15 lbs up will put me at most in the mid-top range of the light heavy. If I can step on stage at 190-195 I will be exacty where I want to be. I am 195 right now and we are probably about the same bodyfat/size. I am thinking you will come into the show around 180-185 after water loss and what not. However don't let the scale effect you. If you are really close to the weight cut of at 183 then I would drop to 183 if more than 2-3 lbs up I would just go in with whatever the best conditioning you can is and beat them on aesthetics. I worried about a weight class when i was getting ready for mine. Dropped extra muscle the last week to get into it and found out they had to remove the weight classes and it was just tall and short class.
FlexW99
Well-known member
I stand corrected then. Comin in big in the light-heavies was exactly what I was going to suggest. Your right, which is super scary, since I haven't been in the 180's since middle school, LMFAO. I'm willing to go there though..I have nothing to lose...cept FAT!
MrKleen73
Legend
Yeah you will be surprised at A: how big you look at that lower weight and that you can get down to 4-5% be 185 at that bodyfat and then when you dry yourself out for the show be 180 easily. That is why I sayif you are close like at 185 or so don't worry about pushing to lose an extra 2 lbs, just do your water adjustments and you will make weight. If not you will look better being fuller in the bottom of the light heavies than you would flat and at the top of the Middleweights. No reason to lose muscle mass to make a weight class unless we are talking a lb. Also find out ahead of time when weigh ins will be. If the night before or the day of and plan your approach around those times. Don't be afraid to contact the promoter to get as much info as you can from them.
MrKleen73
Legend
Cardio this morning 45 min on treadmill 480 cals and then a walk at lunch. I apparently have to go out to dinner tonightfor my brother in laws bday. We are going to a steak house. So it is salad and steak for me tonight. I put myself on a 4 meal plan today with some of them being a little small so I can have a nice steak with my greens. My stomach and everything seems to be drying back out and I am fuller from the carbs. Tonight should realistically be a carb up night but I don't know that I need to carb up and have a steak. If i do eat carbs they will be in the area of 100 grams not something insane so would be moderate carb up.
VolcomX311
Legend
I once watched a "Road to the Olympia" video where Dexter Jackson was at a steakhouse and ordered his steak, medium-well, to avoid water intake.
MrKleen73
Legend
Motivational Challenge Poll
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FlexW99
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Hmmm...DEADLIFTS!?
GoHardOrGoHme
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wow a lot has gone on since i have taken my short leave of absence.....sorry about that.
Ill do some catching up!
Ill do some catching up!
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Lol you miss a day or 2 on a Kleen log you got alot of reading to do to catch up.
GoHardOrGoHme
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Lol you miss a day or 2 on a Kleen log you got alot of reading to do to catch up.
Aint that the truth!!! Man and Im already trying to read 3 other books, plus various other sources!!
Maybe I need to learn how to speed read....this will help greatly!
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
Your screwed my friend LOL.
MrKleen73
Legend
More to read! LOL
Had a pretty good workout last night. It was a leg day and I pushed myself pretty good on the squats especially being on a cut.
Squats (Close Stance, Bar High on Traps and Ass to the ground) - 135x20, 225x12, 275x10, 315x5 - I decided last night was a good night topush on A2G squats 315 may be the highest I have gone in quite a while on these. Normally at 315 I switch to a more power oriented stance and get get more reps but this was a beast and felt great!
Front squats (while waiting for hack squat to be available.) 225x4, 135x10 - Those deep squats with 315 had really taken their toll on my core and front squats just were not going to be possible at any useful weight.
Hack Squats (very deep, varying stances) - 405x8 NS, 365x10 NS, 365x8 WS, 365x9 CS -
SLD's 135x15, 225x12, 275x12, 275x10 - Hams were already pretty toasty from the squats and wide stance hacks. I was still pretty impressed nonetheless with the 275x12. My back was perfectly straight too.
All the other machines just had too many lines on them and I had already gotten one hell of a workout so I did not isolation moves. Legs were getting shaky and it was 9:30. I am normally in bed by 9:00 to wind down with the wife so it was time to go home. I did not get up to do cardio today because I was amped up from the workout and couldn't sleep worth a crap last night. I probably should not have taken my AS-GT at 6 PM, I am semi stim sensitive so that gets me alert for several hours plus the workout waking my body up didn't help.
I will be doing some form of cardio every day until September 1st. I was on my way but my skin loosened up a bid as I dropped some more size in my stomach, so I am a little cautious. I don't feel like wearing that dang Tutu man! Not because it is a Tutu really I am a corn ball but because that means I let myself down if I don't have some abs showing, I think I have about 1 or 2 lbs to go in 1.5 weeks to have my abs showing better, they are showing more now but I want them better. I won't be shredded but I do believe they will be adequately visible by the 1st.
Also I won an opportunity to log a bottle of Super-DMZ by IronMag Labs so the H-Drol run is going on the back burner for about 4-5 months. Since the H-Drol will be a longer run anyway it makes more sense to me to run them in that order. A short run, then adequate time off then the longer run. That will have me both big and lean before summer starts, and I can begin my approach for the NPC shows in late October of next year. Maybe something earlier but we shall see. I really want to thicken my legs up build more on my lower chest and get my shoulder even bigger. I have been reading a lot of logs on Dymethazine and if a quality version I could gain as much as 20 lbs in a month. I am honestly only looking at 10 to 12 lbs LBM by the end I think but not sure. I will be keeping cals in check on this eating only as much as I need to grow but not gain fat which should lean me out incredibly. 10 lbs of muscle added without gaining fat would drop me by 5% body fat. I don't know that is a realistic thought but I am seeing a lot of people gaining a lot of weight on this compound in a month. I have no intention of gain fat just to gain more weight while on cycle. My wife won't be able to lift with me during this time due to her having surgery next week so I am going to be lifting on my own. I will be increasing my volume maybe even lifting more often during this time. I will be trying to gain lean mass but not trying to go for the gusto on strength. I am setting some weight limits on myself. I will just add volume instead of killing myself with massive weights just because I can lift them all of the sudden. I will not squat over 405, and wont even move up until I am hitting 315 for 15 reps. I wont bench over 265 but starting with 225 and not moving up until hitting 15-20 reps since shoulder needs TLC at the moment unless I choose to go with GVT which is a very weight limiting program all on it's own. You may think I won't be taking advantage of the product at that point but trust me the fibers will be blasted. I am also still considering using something like a 4-0-2, or 2-0-2 tempo even if not doing GVT, but really just going with GVT is a very possible likely hood. I may have to adjust some of my exercises if I get bad back pumps even with the use of Taurine but we shall see. If so I will just go heavy on leg press instead of a lot of squating and dead lifting but really hoping to be able to do both.
Had a pretty good workout last night. It was a leg day and I pushed myself pretty good on the squats especially being on a cut.
Squats (Close Stance, Bar High on Traps and Ass to the ground) - 135x20, 225x12, 275x10, 315x5 - I decided last night was a good night topush on A2G squats 315 may be the highest I have gone in quite a while on these. Normally at 315 I switch to a more power oriented stance and get get more reps but this was a beast and felt great!
Front squats (while waiting for hack squat to be available.) 225x4, 135x10 - Those deep squats with 315 had really taken their toll on my core and front squats just were not going to be possible at any useful weight.
Hack Squats (very deep, varying stances) - 405x8 NS, 365x10 NS, 365x8 WS, 365x9 CS -
SLD's 135x15, 225x12, 275x12, 275x10 - Hams were already pretty toasty from the squats and wide stance hacks. I was still pretty impressed nonetheless with the 275x12. My back was perfectly straight too.
All the other machines just had too many lines on them and I had already gotten one hell of a workout so I did not isolation moves. Legs were getting shaky and it was 9:30. I am normally in bed by 9:00 to wind down with the wife so it was time to go home. I did not get up to do cardio today because I was amped up from the workout and couldn't sleep worth a crap last night. I probably should not have taken my AS-GT at 6 PM, I am semi stim sensitive so that gets me alert for several hours plus the workout waking my body up didn't help.
I will be doing some form of cardio every day until September 1st. I was on my way but my skin loosened up a bid as I dropped some more size in my stomach, so I am a little cautious. I don't feel like wearing that dang Tutu man! Not because it is a Tutu really I am a corn ball but because that means I let myself down if I don't have some abs showing, I think I have about 1 or 2 lbs to go in 1.5 weeks to have my abs showing better, they are showing more now but I want them better. I won't be shredded but I do believe they will be adequately visible by the 1st.
Also I won an opportunity to log a bottle of Super-DMZ by IronMag Labs so the H-Drol run is going on the back burner for about 4-5 months. Since the H-Drol will be a longer run anyway it makes more sense to me to run them in that order. A short run, then adequate time off then the longer run. That will have me both big and lean before summer starts, and I can begin my approach for the NPC shows in late October of next year. Maybe something earlier but we shall see. I really want to thicken my legs up build more on my lower chest and get my shoulder even bigger. I have been reading a lot of logs on Dymethazine and if a quality version I could gain as much as 20 lbs in a month. I am honestly only looking at 10 to 12 lbs LBM by the end I think but not sure. I will be keeping cals in check on this eating only as much as I need to grow but not gain fat which should lean me out incredibly. 10 lbs of muscle added without gaining fat would drop me by 5% body fat. I don't know that is a realistic thought but I am seeing a lot of people gaining a lot of weight on this compound in a month. I have no intention of gain fat just to gain more weight while on cycle. My wife won't be able to lift with me during this time due to her having surgery next week so I am going to be lifting on my own. I will be increasing my volume maybe even lifting more often during this time. I will be trying to gain lean mass but not trying to go for the gusto on strength. I am setting some weight limits on myself. I will just add volume instead of killing myself with massive weights just because I can lift them all of the sudden. I will not squat over 405, and wont even move up until I am hitting 315 for 15 reps. I wont bench over 265 but starting with 225 and not moving up until hitting 15-20 reps since shoulder needs TLC at the moment unless I choose to go with GVT which is a very weight limiting program all on it's own. You may think I won't be taking advantage of the product at that point but trust me the fibers will be blasted. I am also still considering using something like a 4-0-2, or 2-0-2 tempo even if not doing GVT, but really just going with GVT is a very possible likely hood. I may have to adjust some of my exercises if I get bad back pumps even with the use of Taurine but we shall see. If so I will just go heavy on leg press instead of a lot of squating and dead lifting but really hoping to be able to do both.
A_I_Sports_Nutrition
AI Sports Nutrition
VolcomX311
Legend
I've moved up 20lbs in a month before, but it was probably 15lbs of fat and 5lbs of water.